NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Nachomamma8]

Like, there's WIFOM kills, and there are obvious kills. Look at how convinced they were I was town:

@ bc I really do think nacho is town. he is being incredibly stubborn and we only fight like this over reads when he is town.

I had a meta read earlier but we are starting to settle on nacho being town. probably won't be lynching him. before it was mostly bc and I meta reading him. do you remember who was suggesting that they were bussing each other?

do you know why I am town reading nacho at this point? cos said he that me not trusting him was my problem not his and I needed therapy, lol. I bet that was the meanest thing he could think of to say.

that is frustrated town nacho cos when we both get town reads on each other we work together. sometimes it *cough* doesn't *cough* always work out but it is a comfort. fery is town reading him but is getting frustrated that every she tries to engage with him to firm up that read other people interfere.

but if we are just going to go off of in thread behaviour up until this point you guyz looked pretty scummy and there was only 1 reason I could give for that, I even flagged it to nacho on d1 I think. one of the main reasons why I do not think he is scum but scum make weird choices in their nks on this site but I think nacho is town.

Words cannot express my relief about acquiring a nacho-town read.

VOTE: Nero Cain

- f

I thought Nacho's case made a lot of sense, and I was serious when I said that the post gave me an unequivcal town-motivated impression of Nacho.

town is ctd, desperado, penguin, seanalderina, arc mebbe nacho mebbe nero

eta: fery and I are talking it over

I'm feeling more confident that Nacho is town.

This is just bad. Hiding behind your predecessor. Apologizing for a vote and immediately backpedaling, which is essentially pacifying town. Then you go after someone who is getting a lot of attention. This needs to die soon.

Alas, I hear this in every single one of my town games...check my meta. I wish I could be bacde, but I'm just the worst fucking mafia player instead.

I honestly haven't said that nacho isn't scum. I just think PV is scum too. If we can get a nacho wagon going (something that hasn't been even remotely close to happening this entire game) I'd be on it for sure.

Anyone interested now?

Fuck

Nlo

I don't think Nacho is scum.

If we have 1 red, then Nacho probably isn't it.

I will fear your scum game forever if you divined a thought process which I didn't telegraph, and echoed it back to me like that.

I feel like Nacho is very unlikely to be blue scum. It made no sense for him to work at all to move the lynch off bulba and onto CTD if he were CTD's partner.

There were moments of suspicion on me late game, but this paranoia had

absolutely nothing to do with my play

and only had to do with the belief that there was more than 3 red scum.

[Nachomamma8]

There's a lit to catch up on. Lots of bloody walls.

For example, CTD pointing out DLG's opinion slide. Sliding in a comment that looks like you have an opinion on something but doesn't really express one. Both burried in walls.
DLG be scummy.

Predecessor following CTD's lead early.

I think I've mis-read Thor once in the last two years, a current game he replaced into.

I'm going to point out that no matter how much she talks about her Thor expertise, this read is still scummy. She just randomly declared him town for no fucking reason and treated it like it was gold; no where else on site does she talk about her Thor experience like this; she just makes the read quietly and moves on, no special mind to it.

The Nacho wagon took off after Thor joined the RR wagon. If anything Nacho looks like a strong counter to RR. It's even lead by RR, something BCade says is scummy.

Oh look at that! I'm a counterwagon to Red Ryu, which doesn't seem to make me likely blue scum

Which means a trip through Nacho's iso tommorow.

Vote Nacho

Since Bc asked so nicely.

Hey Fuzzy, this is not open 495.

Baby Spice, what did you find in my ISO?

Still working though it.

Bullshit. Baby Spice was just sheeping Bacde so she didn't have to take responsibility for her vote but could still safely hop on the Nacho counterwagon.

The only time Bacde ever joked about bussing a scumbudy that I could find, he was actually bussing a scum budy.
He joked about bussing you this game.

Combined with what looks like a bus vote from Bc and ...

And let's not forget about this shit fucking attack! She finds one instance of bussing, and suddenly it's the holy grail of gold plated scumreads, even when people prove her wrong.

3. There are very few players I think I can properly meta. You are not one of them. True for most of the players actually. Bacde's meta case, however, felt like absolute rubbish. Like a fake reason to vote you, eventually provided after many, many posts of saying that you were scum.

This doesn't make sense, considering she sheeped Bacde onto me earlier.

I don't know why the fuck it matters who he votes before he says he's bussing everyone, but the fact that she latches onto THIS and ignores bacde making the bussing claim as town is complete and fucking bullshit. She'd notice in the other game that Bacde didn't go on a gigantic bussing spree and push his partners like he's pushing me here
then i found bacde making the bussing joke in another game
does she pay attention to it?
nope

Hello Liar.

11. Zdenek (Xegarus) - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 2

<snip

6. Bacde - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 3

Vote: Xegarus

What the scum is bus'ing already? Lemme help.

VOTE: Xegarus

-DGB

might as well bus my whole team

Vote: Zoidberg

Where in here does it say he is bussing everyone? Exactly what little bit of hidden text?
He doesn't, so Nacho Lie #1.

Zoidberg wasn't scum?

As I pointed out at the time, he wasn't voting Zoiderg, so your very question becomes lie #2

Your quoted text in #2170 does not aply, as it is not Bacde making a bussing joke. So to claim it does apply, and that it is a bussing joke become lies #3, and #4.

I strongly suspect that you do know exactly why it matters who Bacde was voting before he made that bussing joke, as it is a central point to my entire arguement, something that I believe abundantly clear. So that becomes lie #6

Oh, perpetual catch-up huh. Lie #7. Especially funny as you had to back 1,400 posts to find it.

Potshot when I'm gone for literally two days.

Hmm, looks. Posted Thursday #841, me post #1128 that he had been seen, Nacho posted #1130 on Sunday. Thursday to Sunday is literally two days how? Ignoring timezones, 65 hours is not literally two days. Lie #8

Last we hear of the mystical ISO read.

<Cough> #2160 </cough>

Nacho lie #9

she doesn't bring it up the next day so she could get my partner more easily?

Do I really need to point out that it is still fucking Day one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nacho lie#10

Wow for one post Nacho, you really told a lot of lies. Lies that are so easy to proove wrong by doing something as stupidly simple as quoting.

But in simple terms, the key elements.

Bacde joked about bussing a scum buddy while bussing a scum buddy.

Nacho claimed that Bacde wasn't voting a scum buddy at the time. He was.
Nacho claimed that Bacde was bussing everybody. He wasn't.
Nacho claims that it doesn't matter who Bacde was voting at the time. Clearly it does.
Nacho claimed that Bacde had made a bussing joke as town. He didn't.

One thing that I have raised and Nacho has told four different lies about it.
Four.

Bacde joked about bussing in this game while voting Nacho, and had a case/voting history that supports a theory of Bacde bussing in this game.

That Nacho also lied about so many other things in that one post is just amazing.

Dammit. Tried to post this on the computer, got ninja'd without me noticing as I ran off to take one of the kids to his McJob. Realized that I had made a mistake so posted a correction from my phone. Came home to find this post still sitting here. Bah

There's this giant bullshit wall against me, which you really should read and penguin distanced from ASAP because it sucked.

Irrespective of thazmon221's claim, which I don't entirely swallow, Bacde, you're completely ruling out any type of reaction test being used there? Because it seems to me that if you want to get someone's attention, you're more likely to succeed if you suggest you think they're outright scum rather than anti-town.

Look at this defense of blue scum! This makes a lot of sense coming from penguin the blue scum.

I was leery that he could be trying to outright avoid claiming his inherited 2-shot BP, since it's far less useful when known, but at this close to being lynched, it doesn't seem like he'd have anything to lose. And his not doing so when he got to L-1 means he really can't be given any credence.

This

reeks

of coaching. "Thez, claim you inherited the two-shot bulletproof so you stop scumslipping!!"

#2629, ArcAngel pegged the entire red scum team. Interesting.

CTD, in light of Slandaar flipping town, a) why shouldn't we have you at the top of the scum list, and b) what's your take on the other neighbors?

Weak ass question to partner was never followed up.

If CTD flips town than ThAd is going next.

Vote: CrashTextDummie

Some reason why this couldnt have waited a few more hours?

Eh, given the town PRs that have flipped, it's hard to see CTD claiming something more useful and/or provable than vig. And I'd've hammered a VT claim. Add in CTD wandering off for most of the day phase, and I've seen worse hammers.

If you're town, CTD, some final reads would be nice.

Gaining cred for CTD's flip post-lynch. It's a shame you never voted for him while he still lived!

[Nachomamma8]

You have many posts. Congrats.

It means that your "oh Nacho wasn't as engaged as the rest of the town" bit was actually a bunch of bullshit.

Wagoning a townie when you weren't sure you could get red scum lynched doesn't speak to your towniness.

I didn't offer to flashwagon Peregrine, I didn't offer to flashwagon Marangal, I didn't offer to flashwagon Ffullisade... you know, all of those people who were actually confirmed town. You were pretty much confirmed blue yesterday, hence why I offered to flashwagon you over Bulbazak yesterday. What would you have done in my position as town? Accepted the mislynch?

Not following what you're saying about one blue and one red scum. At what point in the game are you talking about, and how is it relevant?

You accused me of knowing there was one blue and one red scum in that wonderful case on me before everyone else did. That's mostly where the relevancy lies.

I was mistaken about HD. So...?

Again, look at your case on me.

I seem to recall you pushing for a PV lynch before a CTD lynch that day. In fact I seem to recall this:

So? How is this relevant to my interactions with CTD at all painting me as blue scum? I pushed him. He got lynched. He flipped scum. You didn't end up doing the same thing.

being your vote history that day, whereas I was discouraging a PV lynch. Why wouldn't you try to get town cred bussing your partner when there wasn't any other choice left? You went for PV first.

Because I... still had options left? I could have mislynched you, I could have mislynched HD, I didn't have to bring up the neighborhood symmetry bullshit clearing PV...

I don't know Red Ryu, but it seems quite feasible that he would fake-tunnel you, setting you up to take him down later. As far as thezmon221 goes, I think I've explained quite sufficiently why I found it hard to swallow that he would fake a Universal Back-Up claim as scum given the events of Street Racers in the at-the-time recent past. If I knew he was fake-claiming from the start, why engage with it? I think it was pretty clear that he was going down. Your vote for him:

Fake-tunneling when I'm one of the stronger scum partners seems less feasible than RVS distancing, don't you think? It was HARD TO SWALLOW that thez would fakeclaim universal backup after seeing Mini Librarian coast with a Universal Backup? You didn't find it strange that he was wagonned and claimed Universal Backup right after Street Racers? Sure, you could have bussed him because you thought it was clear he was going down, but you thought that if he claimed it properly and if you pushed the whole "oh he wouldn't fakeclaim this right after Street Racers" shit that maybe you could save him.

Which was clearly appeasing Bacde. No comment on thezmon221 until quite a few posts later, at which point you repeat others' arguments. No town credit; more like you warding off Bacde.

Warding off Bacde by sheeping him onto a scumbuddy on giving him more credibility. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I never said any of these were definite blue kills aside from Syryana (which is probably the last relevant one, given that blue scum had four members left at that point) Interesting that those are the ones you chose to address. But no comment on Ms Marangal/AK-slot?

but you implied they were likely blue kills and tried to push me for it
I find it interesting how you don't address any of those reasonings! Maybe if you refute those, I might answer your Marangal question.

Quite frankly I don't buy that mastin2 would let inside knowledge of an ongoing game he's modding influence anything else. And whatever else their experience may be, they were misreading you here, and given your statements yesterday it makes complete sense that you'd want them dead today before they could rethink things.

No? You don't think this game exists in mastin's mind? You think he just separated it from himself entirely because it's ongoing? Nope. We don't talk about ongoings, but they clearly factor into how we think about games.
You also don't explain why I would posture for a ffullisade kill and try to WIFOM peregrine as opposed to posture for a Peregrine kill and try to WIFOM ffullisade.
You still haven't addressed how it makes sense that I wouldn't view them as a threat for 8 straight game days and then suddenly kill them because I'm afraid they will see right through me in LyLo.

Yeah, I'm going to coach someone more experienced than me when I'm a lousy scum player when they're fake-claiming. Scum-me would put her head down and hope to ignore the whole thing.

It was an obvious mistake on his part; there was no reason for you to not to correct it.

So all that time and you maintained the position that Baby Spice's posting wasn't ultimately scummy, my interaction with thezmon221 wasn't scummy, but now it's what you go to? Not likely.

I called you town.
And then, with more information, I called you scum?


Sorry, you can't handwave everything away because I called you town once upon a time.

[Nachomamma8]

@Nacho- Is penguin Red or Blue?

Penguin is blue. There are no more reds.

[Nachomamma8]

Laptop stolen, access will be limited for a while.

[Nachomamma8]

Syryana was the N1 kill--NKing him didn't have to be for your benefit as opposed to your teammates'. But that's the only one we can be sure of on this list. The Night 2-3 kills are pretty indeterminate between red and blue targets; I took my best guess but I'm not sure. No, you're not the only one who might want Thor dead, but I definitely find it odd that he died way back on Night Two and you're still kicking on Day Nine. But heck, maybe you NK'd EddieFenix for some reason instead. You're welcome to clarify.

Baezu makes very little sense from any scum perspective, actually.

So... in the end, your conclusion is that the nightkills don't actually point to me being scum anymore? Because that's what it sounds like.

So you had to try to spend your XyLo mislynch bait early. It wouldn't matter as long as you could get Bulbazak lynched the next day. As long as he could block you, he was unlikely to NK you, and he was more clearly scum than you.

But why is that such a likelier scenario than you being the last blue scum and me wanting you dead over town?

Risky, yes, but better than getting lynched. And I'd expect a townie under pressure not to accept the mislynch but to be as persuasive as possible on who he saw as surefire scum, not cast about for another townie to throw into the noose.

I had you as pretty solid scum after you voted me "because gut" and disappeared. It made no difference to me whether we lynched red scum or blue scum; all the mattered was that we didn't mislynch.

Following from that, and since we agree that there are no red scum left, it makes sense that blue scum was in a position to suspect that the last blue scum's power wasn't strong enough to allow for another red scum, even a goon, in play. The rest of us couldn't know that.

Power roles. We've seen a ninja (which is only good against the Watcher) and two goons for blue, with a tracker and a doctor for red (both of which are better than a ninja). Even if the other two reds are goons, I don't really see what exactly the last power role for blue that would make it somehow balanced. There's no cop in the game, so godfather is impossible, strongman is too strong, roleblocker is good but roleblocker+ninja have no synergy and make for a pretty shitty scumteam versus tracker+doctor... So I assume the reds look something like doctor+roleblocker+tracker and the blues look something like goon+goon+ninja+weak PR/goon.

Setup speculation is a hell of a tool, penguin.

I tend to miss out on a lot of hammers as town for whatever odd twist of fate. See Micro 248 for examples. And yes, it is relevant that you tried to get PV mislynched and then, having pushed for a neighborhood lynch, had to default to CTD for town cred.

I didn't have to confirm PV as town. I also didn't have to stick to a neighborhood lynch.

Fake-tunneling puts either of you in a better position if the other flips. And RVS distancing...in a 250+ page game, I can't see that as a useful tactic.

It's also dumb as fuck in Day 1 in a multiball game when I am the stronger player.
What makes you think it was fake tunneling?

Personally I don't say anything that I can't back up without using a game I'm currently modding.

...ffullisade was town-reading you. Of course they weren't a threat. But they made a good tool to make me look bad.

If you're modding a game, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Especially when that game is a very strong example that disproves an entire theory.

If ffullisade wasn't a threat, why did I kill them? If they were townreading me until the very last moment and clearly going to vote you over me, why would I kill them? They could be used as a tool to make you look bad, or they could be used as a pretty much guaranteed victory.

Don't rescue partner. Especially if you think partner is able to play the hand better.

"I'm town for defending flipped scum" is generally a bad argument to make.

What more information? You called me town after all of Baby Spice's posting and after thezmon221 was lynched, and that's the basis of a lot of your argument. Looks more like PoE without any other options left to me, as you doubled down on me post-NKing Ms Marangal.

Information:
CTD lynch, proving the neighborhood symmetry argument true and making PV very strongly confirmed town.
Mala's replace out, which was in the realm of "not fakeable".
This left my suspects as (Bulbazak, penguin_alien, ffullisade). I can read both heads of ffullisade like books and I knew that neither were scum. This left you and Bulbazak as the final scum.

I call you out on thez interactions and Baby Spice posts because hindsight is a wonderful, wonderful thing.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, knowing that you're blue scum I can guess which NKs came from your team, and they do make sense to me. I just don't know 100%, so there's a limit to what I can deduce, especially since I'm not privy to how you regard many of the players in question.

So... in the end, your conclusion is that the nightkills don't actually point to me being scum anymore? Because that's what it sounds like.

I figured there were scum on it and wanted to delve into that a bit before figuring out whether it was CTD or if ThAd was playing us.

ThAd wasn't in the running, remember? You also have done nothing to show that this was me trying to mislynch PV and then transitioned into me bussing CTD as opposed to just a change of opinion (hint: reading back shows my thought process with regards to this is remarkably clear).

Bottom line, I'd played enough games with scum-you to have seen how you played as last scum standing for your team. This wasn't it, and I was suspicious of people who were pushing you, which included Nacho. Unfortunately at the time I thought other people on the wagon were more suspect.

Explain the differences to me. I apparently don't have the PV meta experience that you have.

You also handwaved most of that my last post away; care to revisit it?

[Nachomamma8]

Look, I don't go with my gut very often, but when I do it's not bad. See: HP: CoS where I was trying to scum-hunt by looking for what I expected scum to do, but when fferyllt pushed me to reconsider, I did call out the scum team on relatively weaker evidence. A couple other small games recently have had more accurate reads from me when I stopped trying to justify all facets of my reads to myself.

I've seen PV as last scum standing for his team in Street Racers where I was rival scum and Open 505 where I was town. I can't explain it very precisely, and I'm not necessarily good at reading PV throughout most of a game, but both times when he was the last member of his team, his posts started to feel more apathetic, less careful. He was different here.

It's funny that you're trying to frame this as a "I'm not good at reading PV, but I am an expert at reading him when he is the last member of his team".

[Nachomamma8]

peregrine get your ass in here

[Nachomamma8]

crack rock crack rock

[Nachomamma8]

crack rock crack rock

[Nachomamma8]

Peregrine, what do you think of what we've brought up before?

[Nachomamma8]

^ I can't tell if you want my input on why I unvoted Nacho or not; if so let me know, otherwise I'll leave you to it. I think I've covered it in this thread earlier, but it might be buried in a wall, not sure.

I would enjoy you saying it again.

[Nachomamma8]

^ I can't tell if you want my input on why I unvoted Nacho or not; if so let me know, otherwise I'll leave you to it. I think I've covered it in this thread earlier, but it might be buried in a wall, not sure.

I would enjoy you saying it again.

And so if I were in the business of pleasing scum, I would.

That's just rude

[Nachomamma8]

The reasons that I find most convincing are already out there. We usually look for different things, though, so it's likely that questioning will help a lot.

[Nachomamma8]

PEREGRINE

[Nachomamma8]

Depending on how the NKs went down on N5, he either blocked Nacho N6 or counted on Nacho NKing Desperado and just no-killed to let things look like a kill was blocked and gambled on being able to push a mislynch (likely on me) off of it. Problem for him was that after his D5 talk, it made no sense for him to have blocked me N6 and not N5.

The strongest reason you have for clearing yourself is that Bulbazak blocked you N5 because of the way he talked D5. But you also brought up that there's a possibility he no killed on N6 because he bet on me killing Desperado, which shows that there's a wealth of possibilities of what could have happened N5. He could have been pushing you as a mislynch because his scum pool was narrowed down to only a few players, then secretly blocked me during the night. He could have known you were blue scum but didn't block you because he didn't think you would kill him since he was a potential not-you lynch at that point and he needed numbers whittled down. Bulba's suspicion of you D5 doesn't clear you in any way; your logic is warped pretty badly to even reach that conclusion in the first place.

[Nachomamma8]

Peregrine, you have 2 hours. Please don't let this go to a deadline lynch. Hammer penguin.

[Nachomamma8]

Fact: I make no fucking sense as blue scum. I can see where people got the idea that I was redscum, but I don't make sense as bluescum.
Fact: There is no possible power role that the final blue scum has to balance out the three power roles on red side. See this game for an example of uneven teams if you'd like that to help convince you. Hence, there is one scum left. It is a blue. It is penguin_alien.

[Nachomamma8]

With

3

alive,

2

is a (no-)lynch.

Deadline for Day Nine is Tuesday, November 19th, at 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-11-20 12:30:00).

A reminder.

If deadline hits with no majority, Nachomamma8 is lynched.

[Nachomamma8]

sorry, not 2 hours
1 hour
this game
this 6 month game
is going to end on a deadline lynch on obvious town and I can't fucking believe it

[Nachomamma8]

this entire day, penguin has brought forward approximately 0 reasons why i am scum
this entire day, I have brought forward many reasons why penguin was scum

[Nachomamma8]

request extension

otherwise i'll just slice my wrists

[Nachomamma8]

deadline comes closer
apathy kills innocents
requiem for me

[Nachomamma8]

With

3

alive,

2

is a (no-)lynch.

Deadline for Day Nine is Tuesday, November 19th, at 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-11-20 12:30:00).

A reminder.

If deadline hits with no majority, Nachomamma8 is lynched.

THE BLOOD IS ALL AROUND YOU NOW
BUT YOU SEE NOTHING AT ALL

[Nachomamma8]

We be the Ritalin calms you down
We be the Ritalin calms you down
We be the Ritalin calms you down
We be the Ritalin calms you down
We be the Ritalin calms you down

[Nachomamma8]

the blood is all around you now
but you see nothing at all

there once was a story of a man who played a game in which he had a slow start
he was railed for this slow start, even as he tried to catch his stride
he was run up with quite the wagon, which a scumplayer from a team who was much weaker than he at playing mafia drawing him up close to death
he dug in his heels and he fought, he fought like hell
he struggled like hell to preserve something of the game, and he brought it back
two townies tunneled the living hell out of him, professing to be able to read him, and still he pushed on
he earned their trust back, he kept doing his best to catch them, he kept his best to make sure that the murderers didn't pull through the win in the end
something clicked, and he booted the devils from his trusted pile, outed them, destroyed them
in the end, there was one left
he had her in her sights and pushed like hell to make her dead
the tsunami helped him push her, and together they laid out the reasons why the town would be saved

but peregrine wasn't there

the tsunami, his greatest supporter died
the scum laughed in his face
he had hope

but peregrine wasn't there

he watched the sun come down although his case was complete and the last scum was sunk
he knew he would die even though he didn't deserve it
in the end, did it really matter?

[Nachomamma8]

With

3

alive,

2

is a (no-)lynch.

Deadline for Day Nine is Tuesday, November 19th, at 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-11-20 12:30:00).

A reminder.

If deadline hits with no majority, Nachomamma8 is lynched.

THE BLOOD IS ALL AROUND YOU NOW
BUT YOU SEE NOTHING AT ALL

but peregrine wasn't there

[Nachomamma8]

peregrine
peregrine wasn't there

peregrine
peregrine wasn't there
it felt so unfair
it seems he doesn't caaaare

peregrine
peregrine wasn't there
to hammer scum before deadline
it seems he doesn't caaaaaaaaare

[Nachomamma8]

mastin is maniacal street's last hope

[Nachomamma8]

and all because i didn't get there first

[Nachomamma8]

With

3

alive,

2

is a (no-)lynch.

Deadline for Day Nine is Tuesday, November 19th, at 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-11-20 12:30:00).

A reminder.

If deadline hits with no majority, Nachomamma8 is lynched.

THE BLOOD IS ALL AROUND YOU NOW
BUT YOU SEE NOTHING AT ALL

but peregrine wasn't there

0 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes
EXPIRED

[Nachomamma8]

can you PM peregrine?

[Nachomamma8]

maybe email him aswell?

[Nachomamma8]

PEREGRINE

[Nachomamma8]

you have 19 minutes.
please make a decision and hammer.

[Nachomamma8]

10.

[Nachomamma8]

You remember the Dr Who uneven scumteams? It was balanced by giving Dalek scum one power role and Timelord scum three power roles.
3 Timelords, 4 Daleks. The format is the same here.

[Nachomamma8]

I think penguin shot Cephrir n5 too.

She did.

[Nachomamma8]

6 minutes. I'm not planning on posting for the last 3 because I don't want to gamethrow with a ninja, so ask last minute questions now.

[Nachomamma8]

You went from me to CTD is one day without much reasoning in between.

The reasoning was the neighborhood symmetry theory, which was a huge, huge deal for me.

[Nachomamma8]

If I were kingmaker, I would give it to the person whose play I enjoyed the most. Assuming this hypothetical is us switching positions, I'd give it to myself because 600+ posts is the most I've ever posted through a game ever and my songs and last minute freakout was seriously awesome.

Good luck!

[Nachomamma8]

Is there some reason why you're asking about the blindingly obvious?

Yes, because in 6644, you are intimating that Nacho would be dumb to kill you, while calling penguin scummy for suggesting it.

So if Nacho is not dumb-scum, but is scum, then who would he kill?

No, it is blindingly obvious. Scum-Nacho would kill you, and take PA and me to LYLO. And I would angst about it for two weeks, but reread stuff, including the posts leading up to BabySpice' replace-out, and say, yeah no that was not a town-pirouette and she didn't stick the flounce.

You have not budged on your nacho-is-red-scum case and you're holding on to the idea that there's 2 scum in the game.

So, tomorrow, if you are alive and you are correct and I am dead and flipped town, you have two choices:

- You're in LYLO with town and blue scum
- You're kingmaker and you decide which of blue or red scum win

When that sinks in, then please assume town can win. And drop your red scum case. And don't vote Nacho.

Or, join me today and let's end this 5+ month long game.

If I'm in Lylo with town and blue scum, I have a 50% chance (or better even, if I make an educated guess) of hitting scum. Today that would only by 33%, randomly.
Correct?

If I'm kingmaker because scum decides that's there best chance of winning, then I'll listen to both sides arguments and I guess vote the team I hate the least.

Why not do that instead?

You know, if scum were to kill Nacho then I'd be super confused tomorrow....

You probably won't get any indication that you're in a kingmaker situation, and it will be purely your own assumptions about the game state.

Which is why I say assume it's still winnable and work from there. And good luck, I guess.

DONT YOU FUCKING GAME THROW BECAUSE YOU THINK THE GAME IS UNWINNABLE

[Nachomamma8]

you didn't catch me as red
I was town.

[Nachomamma8]

also, penguin is a "she", not a "he".

[Nachomamma8]

Yeah, well, we all know I'm not very good at this game. I just like playing.

you're not a bad player at all, although i wouldn't be saying this now if you didn't show up before deadline

[Nachomamma8]

like i had the heart attack of all heart attacks last page