Mini 1531 ~ Mafia Pinnipedum (Game Over!)

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disappointed the battery is measured in hashes and not arfs

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vote nachio

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vote purple plaque

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i wish yiou woul dnot do that

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im tryinmg

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lambda are yiou town this game

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lambda are yiou town this game

Thankfully yes. And that means I don't have to be a dick to poor animals this time.

(Referencing Mafia with the Puppies for those of you who weren't there.)

that flavor was fuckin tragic and i was so mad @ u on the inside for that since it was basically your fault

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vote denny

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Daniel please describe to me your ideal rvs

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whtasts fwrong w. being 13

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Okay I've had enough senseless fun

Explain why your vote on DDD is serious, Kaze.

(And you too Plum if your vote is serious too.)

did you read daniels post? i think the better question is why arent you voting him?

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vote denny

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Kanye, it probably involves more straight screwing around until some random tears off on something they thing is actually significant instead of everyone claiming significance in everything which really just means nothing is significant. That or someone trying to ask random questions so I can either ignore them or mock them for it.

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And finally I'll paraphrase the great football HC Urban Meyer, the best part of being 13 is the opportunity to be 14.

okay now whats your ideal rvs if youre scum? is it the same? how does it differ?

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kazu would u like 2b mafia friends w. me?

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Avoided all possible RVS wagon choices

Am I scum for not having a vote, then?

Hell if I know. Considering whom this particular hydra consists of, I'm not even going to try to sort you until later.

im ean it doubly now.

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whom this particular hydra consists of

Why is it that people do this "oh no big bad cabd not bothering to sort you" shit? (Or if you wanna make malakittens feel awesome reply that you are afraid of her not me)

dont think its cus ppl are "scared" of your mafia proficiency.

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Look it's my perfect scum team that I called earlier yay

Shit, Plum, he's onto us. Hurry up and push the wagon on our scumpartner DDD so we can get the towncreds

Do I know you?

You should. We were on a boat once. You tried to lynch me. It was a grand ol' time.

I was kidding - but the phrase seemed to good to spoil by putting the joke in the same post :P. Also I stopped trying to lynch you and tried to lynch the SK . . .

This whole exchange, in addition to being exactly what I mean in qualifying for "The List" is also really fucking shitty and I don't like it.

Kanye, either of these two chucklefucks scum?

plum maybe kazu is 100% town. bo seeming likely.

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kazu would u like 2b mafia friends w. me?

You're cheating on me. Goddammit why.

diont worry ill prove my dedication 2 u i swear i will~

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vote bo

i say ye

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And a vote on Plum is useless compared to a vote on an actual wagon.

did you know that wagons start w. a first vote? why are you reluctant to vote a plum you have a scumread on?

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how is that different from voting any other person? why do you not want to be the first vote?

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So...riding on your RVS vote and not scumhunting is what you think best?

It wasn't an RVS vote, and I am scumhunting.

Mm. So the DDD vote was serious after all. So, why is your vote there?

was yours not?

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Yay

More votes

Oh now I see, I'm suspicious for not wanting to be the first vote on a wagon?

Even though, at this point, absolutely no one seems remotely interested in joining me?

Whatever, I'll try anyway.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Plum

Though I'm sure this is a useless vote change anyway since everyone will be on my ass.

dont believe this answered my question and deciding to now dramatically vote her doesnt really appease me.

why would you voting plum be useless compared to voting elsewhere?

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Are you serious Kanye?

abt what? (im always serious)

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ok? yioure not kazu so im not really going to elaborate on that.

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Because I don't think anyone else felt the same way about Plum, even though I was pointing stuff out, therefore I didn't think a wagon would form, therefore I don't think my vote change to Plum would be useful.

isnt the point of a wagon to make others feel the same way you do about that player?

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you were on page 4 of this game at the time do u think if u dont have a real slam dunk in your hands you should just not bother?

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can you restate for me the extent of why you think plum is scum and at which point it changed from an rvs read to a real read?

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why the surprise at plum being serious then?

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So...riding on your RVS vote and not scumhunting is what you think best?

It wasn't an RVS vote, and I am scumhunting.

Mm. So the DDD vote was serious after all. So, why is your vote there?

i ndio believe this belies a slight amount of surprise yes

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Oh god is this gonna be one of those games where I wake up each morning to ten new pages and we lynch on page 80? I'd rather not.

Anyways, kanye, you've been third on both wagons, should I be worried?

if u got a scum role pm worry away. otherwise give us some real opinions on Things and make me think ur tiown tyvm

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also if we pull the wait until the last minute before deadline to lynch shit in this game too im gonna throw a fucking fit. im gonna get completely hysterical and inconsolable.

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ahahaha

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mara youre just adorable sometimes.

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^^That post was in response to the vote on me.

No but when I voted you and thought about it again Kaze, I feel like you might've been right about DDD still, regardless of your comments toward Club.

*sigh* I have a feeling plenty of this game is gonna be a meta fest and will mostly consist of me misreading people for their actual playstyles.

*cheers*

this could be scum disguising faked reads, but given the fact that DBK hasn't been trying to lead anything, but rather been posting a bunch of waffly stuff, I'm leaning towards town.

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my post got ruined thanks for nothing ms.net servers

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^^That post was in response to the vote on me.

No but when I voted you and thought about it again Kaze, I feel like you might've been right about DDD still, regardless of your comments toward Club.

*sigh* I have a feeling plenty of this game is gonna be a meta fest and will mostly consist of me misreading people for their actual playstyles.

*cheers*

this could be scum disguising faked reads, but given the fact that DBK hasn't been trying to lead anything, but rather been posting a bunch of waffly stuff, I'm leaning towards town.

can u explain the reasoning that leads you from "passive and waffly" -> "leaning town"?

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i dont understand the point of your inquiry bo.

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Oh so that's why

I thought you thought she was doing something else.

can you elaborate on your train of thought here tx i want 2 un erdastand why this was a point you were trying to push.

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thats okay we can see where your thing goes too. its still early d1 : ]

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Oh so that's why

I thought you thought she was doing something else.

can you elaborate on your train of thought here tx i want 2 un erdastand why this was a point you were trying to push.

She never gave a reason, and I couldn't infer what it was.

You want real specifics? I wasn't totally forthcoming earlier.

The true issue I had with the post was that this "town voting bloc" shit that Mara was suggesting did not incude Nacho's supposedly biggest town read, Kanye.

That's a fucking LOT of cognitive dissonance to explain away, even for a hydra, so I wanted to see what a vote would do to rectify the situation.

tl;dr: That slot needs to start getting their shit together or they might find themselves with a bullet between their eyes.

i didnt have a problem with this. that was mara being mara. mara can do whatever she wants as long as she doesnt look individually scummy and nacho townposts and controls the hydra.

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i havent read fucking shit. will the forums stay up long enough 4 me to do wsio? who knows

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can we fucking lynch Sumgder please. thanks.

is msuder scum?

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I am neutral towards this wagon. I almost yolohammered which is a sign its probably a town wagon.

why didnt you?

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what happened to my bo wagon

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DDD is pretty scummy, sure. Not sure what to make of the pretty good Penguin vote from him, but I'm not going to think to much about it. I won't go to the vollkan extreme of 'there is no such thing as a Towntell', but voting someone I think is a half decent vote isn't one.

agree w. thjis

i p much retract my earlier feelings abt plum

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Penguin what is your opinion on the current wagons?

Well, I think Smudger's scum. You're the only other player with anything approaching an actual wagon, and I don't think anyone voting you has a particularly strong case. Anything else you're counting as a wagon?

kayne, do you still want a DBK wagon?

why do yiou ask ?

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Besides the fact that Smudge did the exact same thing that screamed scum to DDD initially, DDD noted it, and then proceeded not to mention again.

I had a question for DDD that related to this but then both Kanye and Nati seems to echo him. basically DDD had hit me with a vote then later begins a defence of my play, I let it go as it seems to me that both Nati and Kanye were doing the same thing. Initally it struck me as odd considering the general consensus of opinion.

PA why do you think I ams scum?

can yiou elabo on this pls

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mainly because i dont want day 2 to start on christmads eve or day

personally.

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VOTE: Natirasha

sell me bo. sell me on you town and nati scum.

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oh is that it.

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do you think nati is scum or are you just moving your vote in the vain hope that will motivate him to respond to.. your vote i guess?

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9.5/10

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idgi

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nahcho help me

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you said u were starting to feel conflicted on bo. help me out here because my scum read is turning into a confusion read.

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bo how much of your hydra in shadows and lights would you say was direction generated from yourself as opposed to bulbo?

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believe you can cross lambda and plum out tho

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vote penguin

ill chill w. you for a minute here tho

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That Penguin wagon happened way too fast, there's gotta be at least a scum on it.

who do you think it is bo, cus i sure know who i think it is

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unvote

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nachio do you not think smudger is scum anymore? because the pa wagon seems to have had the opposite effect on you than it had on me

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personally i was orig thinking they were both scum when i placed my vote, but the speed with which smudger followed onto the wagon leads me to think otherwise at this point. there does not appear to be the "should i bus to save my skin" delay that i was expecting.

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VOTE: Smudger

Yeah, this is the play today.

Ehhhhh. The actually

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both be scum; I was speaking mostly on odds. I tend to think of the odds of having two scum run up, and both at least L-2 simultaneously Day 1, as vanishingly low. Regardless. I want Smudger's blood.

regardless of the odds, like i expressed earlier smdgeos voting likely implies theyre not both scum. similarly im p sure smudger is the right call as well.

i kind of wanted to hear from nacho a little more on this but ill be hammering when i get home i thjink.

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aka Cabds excellent guide to thinking youre great at mafia but actuaklly just awful.

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nachio do you not think smudger is scum anymore? because the pa wagon seems to have had the opposite effect on you than it had on me

I'm not as sure he's as scum as I thought he was before, no. I might have another read flip in the near future, though. Why do you think smudge recent posts are scummy?

his more recent posting seems more damning to me because he looks to me like scum desperate to get traction on anyone else besides himself. he cycles his votes through several people who "look" like good targets with very little actual substance.

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nachio do you not think smudger is scum anymore? because the pa wagon seems to have had the opposite effect on you than it had on me

I'm not as sure he's as scum as I thought he was before, no. I might have another read flip in the near future, though. Why do you think smudge recent posts are scummy?

his more recent posting seems more damning to me because he looks to me like scum desperate to get traction on anyone else besides himself. he cycles his votes through several people who "look" like good targets with very little actual substance.

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what about his recent posting makes you think hes less likely to be scum

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Question to everyone, why have I not been hammered yet, and don't jump on me immediately, its a good question when you appreciate I am not going to self hammer as I am town, but then hindsight is only going to help you see that one

For one I liked this post. Its Smudger giving hints that he there's something to look back on his lynch in order to leg the scum, which is consistent with the whole "my lynch will help the town" mindset he had earlier.

He also has a townie dying defiance that I like the most and can't see many people faking as scum.

yeah i saw that stuff too, and i contemplated that take on it but his grasping at any straw is at odds with his "im town and i accept that im dying" angle. its that sort of gap between a presented image and actual intent that usually locks me deeply into a scumread.

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Who are your scumreads?

This is probably going to be a PoE game for me. :/

I do like your PA case. Will put our vote there if Orcinus agrees.

What are your thoughts about Kanye?

So we have two imposing wagons one built up slow and incredibly hard to lynch, while the one fast but diffused just as fast as it built. This is interesting how the two contrast.

After taking a second look my town reads are pretty much split onto both wagons while my scum reads are focused on Penguin alien.

I'm going to retract my statement about PA being the preferred lynch because even through 543.

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VOTE: Smudge

that's l-1

This is what I have a problem with.

Peng wasn't a slow wagon. It built up incredibly fast.

I thought he was saying the Smudger wagon was slow and hard to lynch?

If its a Poe game, scum are people who don't make their way into your townreads.

Kanye is still town. Why?

Second game I've played with Kanye. He doesn't seem nearly as assertive in this game as he did in Paradox. Maybe that's because there isn't a crazy mechanic to to figure out how to take advantage of.

dont worry babe, ill get REal assertive when the time comes

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Question to everyone, why have I not been hammered yet, and don't jump on me immediately, its a good question when you appreciate I am not going to self hammer as I am town, but then hindsight is only going to help you see that one

For one I liked this post. Its Smudger giving hints that he there's something to look back on his lynch in order to leg the scum, which is consistent with the whole "my lynch will help the town" mindset he had earlier.

He also has a townie dying defiance that I like the most and can't see many people faking as scum.

yeah i saw that stuff too, and i contemplated that take on it but his grasping at any straw is at odds with his "im town and i accept that im dying" angle. its that sort of gap between a presented image and actual intent that usually locks me deeply into a scumread.

That's actually a great point.

I still wanna connect with Selkies before hammer, though. Shouldn't take long, just dont want to get shot at night by those two as scum when they should be an easy catch.

why hasnt this happened yet? its christmas eve and christmas eve deserves a christmas miracle hammer

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vote smidger

mrery xmas all

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vote daniel

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i was vibing town on garmio d1 i think

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Selkies seems like a pretty solid vote, although DDD votes seem pretty great as well.

Vote: Selkies

tell me about selkio

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danmniel whos scum

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nancho how come your reads are so ass

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danmniel whos scum

If I had a top read I'd be voting for them; right now I'm still evaluating in light of flips and such.

well b sure to keep us updated buddy : ]

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Shut up, Garmr!

Why does no one ever think about what I'm saying?

this is how mafia works. you think of something and try to subtly lead into it and ppl who spot what youre doing cant keep their fucking mouths shut for 5 seconds.

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let me see if i got this right. his wagon is either town driven because no one wants to join or it is scum driven because no one wants to join. well i agree with you, his wagon definitely either contains scum or it does not contain scum. i dont believe anyone will fault that logic.

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more helpfully, i believe the reason theres i no wagon action or even discussion about the wagon is that it seems half our playerlist is either not posting or not voting or both.

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i think his positioning is convenient and his lack of impetus to do anything productive doesnt endear me at all but thats honestly all i got

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kanye i choose LLD/Danny Danny Danny/Seal as my reads
what do you choose?

danny, dbk, wildcard (you? selkso? garmio? gotta be 1)

p positive lambda is town tho.im just waiting 4 her to come out of holiday hibnernation please : 3

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nati iom on the same page as u wrt 2nd nk i think

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my other thought was multiball (9:2:2) or some shit but that gets to territory i dont want to baselessly speculate on. i just cant see a town motivation for either nk so im very :I

like i could see plum mb as a vig if someone had only read the first half of d1 ?

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im back to dbk scum for one of the reasons i think selkso might be scum. the nodding their head "yeah i could see kanye scum" when you suggested it. he goes a step further and cites his only game with me as example that im playing way less aggressively than normal (which strikes me since i lurked until day like 5 in that game.) you remember how scum who arent familiar w. me always think im a way easier lynch than i actually am?

im pretty dang positive on the lambda front but ill probably really solidify that read when shes comes back and starts posting some more.

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so whos scum then selkso and why

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garmio can you explain to me how beating penguinalien in a previous game means that penguin aliens scum read on you in this particular game is wrong and why it is a suitable defense?

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why bring it up then? what purpose does it serve?

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Here -raises hand-

I'm going to be honest I may or may not post some actual decent analysis soon. I haven't really posted anything decent in a while and this is a result from me being lazy.

what ahppened to this?

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i wish someone would cared a lot about statistics and shit would look and see what percentage of "huh, daytalk ?!" come from scum

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Here -raises hand-

I'm going to be honest I may or may not post some actual decent analysis soon. I haven't really posted anything decent in a while and this is a result from me being lazy.

what ahppened to this?

Chose the may not.

how come. do you have nothing insightful to say about any player in this game?

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nacho whys nati scum? while my lambda reasons are a little complicated, nati is a very straightforward strong ass townread for me so i dont get that read at all

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ive liked nearly every single one of his votes and their timings and he appears to have been thinking about the game in a very similar fashion to me

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very unsure. i cant tell if its a cant handle the heat replace out or a simply doesnt care replace out (which is the 1 he was trying to paint it as). im pretty disappointed in him over it tho

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the part I liked was the trust tell bit; that's a hell of a play to make as scum so early and I don't think he's that creative.

i dont follow

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yah i got that much but like i dont get how you think thats a thing he wouldnt say as scum?

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or are you saying that you dont think he would crumb his fakeclaim like that?

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ic

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yeah, yeah, me too. i want everyone to know that i also think the mason is town and i have a townread on them.

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do you disagree w. cabd town syrory?

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do you not check flips/night posts when you replace into a game?

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what. when you replaced in you werent actually expecting to replace in ?

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why did you sound so surprised at the word mason then?

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vote syro

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what. when you replaced in you werent actually expecting to replace in ?

That's correct. I didn't even know this game existed until about 5 minutes before I got me role PM. Looked at the playerlist and the flips in the OP, and off I went!

Also Nati, that was fascinating.

Left for the Polar Bears:

11) Smudger - Sphinxeal, Vanilla Seallager - Lynched Day 1.
5) Kazekirimaru - Sealrius, Seallager Mason Nightposter - Devoured Night 1...
9) Plum - Seal of Approval, Vanilla Seallager - Detained Night 1...

why did you sound so surprised at the word mason then?

"Mason?" was short for "There's a mason?".

this dont make a w2hole lotta sense 2 me

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ill do that if you can rationalize the below for me.

what. when you replaced in you werent actually expecting to replace in ?

That's correct. I didn't even know this game existed until about 5 minutes before I got me role PM. Looked at the playerlist and the flips in the OP, and off I went!

Also Nati, that was fascinating.

Left for the Polar Bears:

11) Smudger - Sphinxeal, Vanilla Seallager - Lynched Day 1.
5) Kazekirimaru - Sealrius, Seallager Mason Nightposter - Devoured Night 1...
9) Plum - Seal of Approval, Vanilla Seallager - Detained Night 1...

why did you sound so surprised at the word mason then?

"Mason?" was short for "There's a mason?".

this dont make a w2hole lotta sense 2 me

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idk when he tells me that he looked at the flips i take that to mean that he actually read the flip information, where it very clearly says mason nightposter. he then put on a show of deliberately calling pa super towny and acted surprised that there could be a mason in the game and thats all just very :I for me.

i mean, i get lazy replacement. thats 100% me as well. i dont read shit when i replace in but you better believe i at least read the fliplist and see what alignments/roles have flipped already. so im havin a lot of trouble seeing this mason surprise as not faked and when i think why would town syranio put on that show, i come up empty.

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(anyone else is welcome to jump in here, BTW) (and no, this isn't bullshit like my reads list was; I have a point)

believe its seal books.

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think im voting syro still but theres a bunch of pages i need to read here b4 i do anything really

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yah same lol i also like that usually

either way tho i want lambda to catch up and give some input.

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wait daniel still has not voted a single person yet ?

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wth dude

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its club seal, and i see what youre trying to get at but i also believe that theres a zero percent chance that scum do not have fakeclaims and so its a bitter pill for me to swallow as that garmr would claim something other than his mod provided fakeclaim

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How strong is your read on LLD, nacho?

Pedit I feel like my post asking for your thought process or at least some smidgen of reasoning got ignored

My LLD town read is probably like 2 notches weaker than kanye's.

huh when did you get a town read on lambda

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Why doesn't he seem like the type to play WIFOM? Seems like that got pulled out of your ass.

Are you reading the game? He showed absolutely no guile in basically anything he said and was the same way the last time I played with him.

wth dude

"Everyone thinks my suspects are town so there's no reason to vote them because I will just be posturing and since I'm not scum I'm not going to posture" or some similar bullshit. Anyways, maybe you could explain why everyone has a town read on you because no one else can or will and I'm not seeing it.

sasume its because they think im obvtown. do you think im scum? if so why arent you voting me?

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believe the problem here is that sure maybe a vote on me wouldnt have achieved anything, but maybe it would have. sitting on your vote achieves absolutely nothing except making it harder for us to get a grip on your thoughts of the game. not really seeing the town benefit there.

so who else is scum do you think?

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now that 3rd mason is confirmed what do we think about the possibility of this being multiball?

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what makes you think not?

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I'd say it's either 9/3/1 or 10/3.

dont honestly see how this is viable w. 3 masons

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confirm this is what lambda claimed to me in our qt

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bp + neighborizer + 3xmason + vig is absolutely too much power.

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i dont see any way for a 3man scum team to be balanced against that

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okay so heres where im @ w. lambda. she was more aggressive and less tunnelly than i would have expected from scum lambda. after i neighborized her, she called me dumb for neighborizing her then claimed bp unprovoked. after that it was mostly me trying to engage her and her mostly avoiding any real comment beyond that she was still not ready to participate in the game. i did not take this as a scumtell however, because i was expecting scum lambda try and manipulate me, but there was a complete lack of trying to influence my opinion in any way whatsoever. i have no doubt that scum lambda is confident in her ability to manipulate my reads. even upon returning and posting today she has mostly not had much to say in the qt.

i will say that im somewhat disconcerted that she claimed her bp openly like this. this may simply be a clash of townstyles but in her position as town i would have left that information in the qt and attempted to soak a nk.

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vote purplague

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what

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sorry but im not seeing a scenario where you are town?

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multiball is too much of a possibility and we dont have enough town left for leashing an sk (plus i wouldnt ever want to give sknacho that kind of wiggle room)

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nah i dont think youre part of a 3man mafia team theres no way nacho would let you even go near hinting a killing role if that were the case

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same difference

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what is your ideal way in which today/tomorrow play out at this point

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so why does mara keep screaming about suiciding. have you made it clear to her in no uncertain terms that theres no way youre doing that?

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because theres p much no way in any universe youd allow that regardless of your alignment

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:I

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i dont believe you at all. theres no way you would not take a shot tonight and try to talk your way out of the rope tomorrow. no matter your alignment

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the fact that you would pretend otherwise @ this point and have had mara cheerleading it really doesnt make me feel good man :<

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mines cirque du sealei. do not know lambdas

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magua can you fully explain your position on me/lambada?

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selkies who is scum right now?

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how come you hate talking to me?

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no one?

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That seems curious.

why?

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oh. i only had one shot. that said i still wouldnt have neighborized a mason last night even if i had another shot for the same reason i didnt neighborize pengun n1

and it really depends on the gamestate and my read of the player in how i interact w. them out of game. 4 instance most of the qt for d2 when i had a town read on her is me attempting to engage lambda and her giving me the effective cold shoulder

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ftr n1 was a tossup ebtween you and lambda. i regret my choice

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ddd how come youre not railing against nati?

if we assume nati town and ddd town then scum would have quicklynched by now

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p sure ddd is confirmed scum @ this point

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like if hes town, from his perspective nati should be confirmed scum but hes instead trying to appeal to nati still? how does that even make any sense

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i think the scum team is daniel lambda magua. i think people here are not giving scum lambda nearly enough credit and maguas massaging the kanye mislynch ever so just fucking reaks

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like if hes town, from his perspective nati should be confirmed scum but hes instead trying to appeal to nati still? how does that even make any sense

Explain.

club is conftown. if nati is town that means theres 2 town on ddd with 5 to lynch. theres pretty much no way 3 scum could not manage to coordinate their votes to hammer by now. that means that either daniel or nati is scum and from their perspective the other is confscum. but daniel is not treating it like this at all but instead trying to get nati to switch his vote elsewhere. thats speaks to me of a lack of town view on things

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vote daniel

right.

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So what''s your angle gonna be now, DDD? Kanye and Nati are scum together?

no nati is still town scum just mysteriously couldnt find their way to hammer him in all this time. fuckin zzz

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my anmes not triple k wth

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:I

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Okay so (selkies OR kanye} {LLD} {Natirasha} is your final answer?

No my answer is {kanye} and then evaluate the game from there, if you want to come up with some over-arching theory that's your prerogative, not mine.

I told you I'm fucking paranoid dude, I'd have voted you already if I was confident.

And do you have any intention of ever trying to resolve that indecision?

yah stick to your guns bud

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i think i probably should have been lynched instantly when nightposting trimasons was a thing. imho !

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i hope tho that this has been another example of Dont Freaking Hand Out Fake Innocents/Guilties

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btw i agree w. lambda. its hard to say that scum played super well this game when the mason did more for our team than we did.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5611629 a helpful link,

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btw i agree w. lambda. its hard to say that scum played super well this game when the mason did more for our team than we did.

this said though, in the end it was cabd who convinced penguin to hand out the fake innocent. scum played well and tricked town into making a critically bad decision.

also got to agree w. vi and say im pretty fuckin sick of "this game isnt interesting to me so im outa here" replace outs. really smh real dang hard at both dbk and garmr.

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btw im okay w. releasing the scum qt

also pls link dead qt

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I'm more mad at Garmr's "I'm getting lynched, time to bounce" routine.

yah that 2

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i agree

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And I've always thought the golden rule was to have fun. Yes, I do understand that it's a commitment to join a game, and I do understand if I would be banned from joining any of Vi's games for a while because of the instability of my slot in this game...but I wasn't having fun, and I figured someone else would've had more fun in my slot in this game. Someone else would give the slot more attention than I was giving it. And I've never been a fan of players that complain that their play was worse for outside reasons...that's exactly what I was doing.

The golden rule is

not

to have fun. Yes, it's a game. But it's also a

psychological

game. Part of the scum's goal is to ensure the Town is so demotivated with their circumstances that they do not have the drive to read the game, to lynch well, to form Townblocks, etc. That can include deliberately sowing apathy. Replacing out because you're not having fun is not an acceptable excuse. If you're Town and you're not having fun, there's probably something in the game that needs fixed, and it's up to the playerlist to do it, not to

quit

. When you replace out, you are abandoning your win condition, so "replacing out for someone to give more attention to the slot" i.e. "for someone to be more proTown" damages a balance that was

deliberately

created

inside

the game with an event from

outside

the game.

If the game is not fun, MAKE it fun. Fight through the apathy. Go up against the scum who are producing it. Yeah, it's hard, but it's a valid scum strategy and your job as Town is to thwart that from

inside

the game. Replacing out because you're not having "fun" is not acceptable in our games and violates the integrity of the game. You made a commitment to play the game when the game started, and it was not a commitment to "play while the game is fun for me".

this this this fucking THis