Mini 1531 ~ Mafia Pinnipedum (Game Over!)

[Kazekirimaru]

VOTE: Nati

get wagon'd at

[Kazekirimaru]

But Nati stands for National Instruments Corporation in stocks

NATI is currently at 29.85

using a letter to number conversion gives us "bihe"

the second letter in "bihe" is the fourth letter in "mafia"

therefore Nati is confscum

sheep my vote pls

[Kazekirimaru]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DDD

Serious vote.

[Kazekirimaru]

Look it's my perfect scum team that I called earlier yay

Shit, Plum, he's onto us. Hurry up and push the wagon on our scumpartner DDD so we can get the towncreds

[Kazekirimaru]

Avoided all possible RVS wagon choices, producing lots of fluff and pretty much zero relevant content. Preventing the kickstart of scumhunting.

[Kazekirimaru]

kazu would u like 2b mafia friends w. me?

If you had spelled my name right I'd have said yes. But now, I'm too sad.

Avoided all possible RVS wagon choices

Am I scum for not having a vote, then?

Hell if I know. Considering whom this particular hydra consists of, I'm not even going to try to sort you until later.

[Kazekirimaru]

whom this particular hydra consists of

Why is it that people do this "oh no big bad cabd not bothering to sort you" shit? (Or if you wanna make malakittens feel awesome reply that you are afraid of her not me)

It's both of you, actually. In the games I've played with either of you separately, I've had a correct read zero times. Deal with it.

People would probably be more willing to sort you, Cabd, if fucking with people as both alignments and apathy weren't the key aspects that you're known for. Kthx

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm speaking not of just experiential data.

Don't you ever read games blind just to see if you get the scumteam right?

Alas, you're distracting me. What do you think of DDD?

[Kazekirimaru]

We were both in the roster for Ace Attorney, by the way. Forget already?

PEDIT: and so it begins

[Kazekirimaru]

Well

Wait

I already don't know whether to vote DDD or Kaze dammit.

Keep it on me. I'd like to get the mandatory shitwagon out of the way early. Then when the people who can actually read me come in and tell you all how stupid you're being, we'll have plenty of info to parse.

[Kazekirimaru]

Look it's my perfect scum team that I called earlier yay

Shit, Plum, he's onto us. Hurry up and push the wagon on our scumpartner DDD so we can get the towncreds

Do I know you?

You should. We were on a boat once. You tried to lynch me. It was a grand ol' time.

[Kazekirimaru]

This whole exchange, in addition to being exactly what I mean in qualifying for "The List" is also really fucking shitty and I don't like it.

Kanye, either of these two chucklefucks scum?

Goodness. Another abrasive type. How fun.

Hi, I'm Kaze. Tell me all about your grievances at the moment.

[Kazekirimaru]

Pedit: I can be abrasive Kaze~~

Don't threaten me with a good time.

Threaten me with your thoughts on Plum, instead.

[Kazekirimaru]

So...riding on your RVS vote and not scumhunting is what you think best?

[Kazekirimaru]

So...riding on your RVS vote and not scumhunting is what you think best?

It wasn't an RVS vote, and I am scumhunting.

Mm. So the DDD vote was serious after all. So, why is your vote there?

[Kazekirimaru]

ok? yioure not kazu so im not really going to elaborate on that.

I'm not kazu, either

but it was serious.

[Kazekirimaru]

Did I say I was surprised?

[Kazekirimaru]

First post notes obvious obvious annoyances, remains detached from game (same actually in a few following posts). This may be hard to explain properly, but. No idea exactly how scummy it is, obviously.

Please do let me know when you're in a better position to articulate, then.

[Kazekirimaru]

i ndio believe this belies a slight amount of surprise yes

I do believe my surprise meter was reading a zero at the time. The "after all" was in reference to the fact that it was a naked vote.

[Kazekirimaru]

Let's do this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bo

[Kazekirimaru]

Let's do this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bo

When did you decide this was the right thing to do?

When I saw the vote count and thought it would be a novel idea to push your wagon.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm not sure yet. She was more aggressive and hard-stanced in the last game I played with her - and she was scum there. I'll probably have to read up on her a bit for a definitive answer, but the fact that she game me a genuine sounding "eh, I dunno, but it's scummy" instead of attempting to contrive a convincing reason for her DDD vote makes me want to call her town.

[Kazekirimaru]

Mara stop

that's the opposite of wagon pushing

you're pulling

stop pulling the wagon, Mara

[Kazekirimaru]

also if we pull the wait until the last minute before deadline to lynch shit in this game too im gonna throw a fucking fit. im gonna get completely hysterical and inconsolable.

Sentiment shared.

Bo. not really focused on him (DDD) or anyone else in particular at this moment. Nothing seems to be a stand out for me after reading through, why do you ask?

Really? Not a single thing in eight pages pings you?

@Nacho: Nope, I'm not very good at pushing wagons. In all my years of experience, I've come to the generalization that I'm not entirely too good at Mafia. I've spent most of my career sheeping other players' reasoning and I seem to be more right when I listen to arguments other players give than trying to find more scumtells on my own. It's why I usual resort to PoE most of the time.

It's not like I'm mindless. I do my best to consider all the arguments everyone gives. It's just difficult for me to lock down on a scum if they're even scum.

When I said earlier that I realized my mistake, it was mostly on reference to a philosophy I had pushed for a few years, including in Newbie games: your vote should always be on someone you suspect the most (like I basically had not done).

But also throughout the years, I remember playing a few games where sometimes, you have to make the best of your vote, like a vote on your top suspect if it's the only vote might not be as valuable as an L-2 wagon vote on your second-best scum pick because it's better for pressuring and such. I guess that strategy with votes resonated more with me at the time of my decision.

I switched back on Plum because you guys were asking me why I wasn't doing it (suspecting me for it as well) and then I had to think "Yeah, I probably should be doing that instead."

Oh, and excuse me Nacho for not being able to tell between you and Marangal. I guess I'm more used to your Newbie game playstyle, which is much more calm.

So

you're going to sheep people and not push your scumreads

and you voted Plum to appease people were asking you why you weren't.

Am I following you correctly?

I'm his way of looking like he's doing something productive.

Aren't you nice?

How about you do that productive thing sometime?

[Kazekirimaru]

Hi kaze

Tell me who I should be looking at

Hi there.

Bo is a good place to start, it seems.

Aside from that Smudger looks odd to me, and Nati to some extent though I'm not sure why yet. Starting to think my early suspicions of DDD are nothing.

(A) I'm his way of looking like he's doing something productive.

(B) Aren't you nice?

How about you do that productive thing sometime?

I don't see what A has to do with B given my statement isn't mean, it's a simple conjecture about his behavior in the game that I'm the thing he points at when he needs to have an opinion or get the attention off himself. Do you disagree?

Sometime? Yeah, I can probably be productive sometime; not now though.

I jumbled that statement up in my brain. Sorry. Thought it said something completely different.

Tempted to look into your games to see if you start slow as a rule but considering I seem to be the only one caring about this it must be so.

Kaze, nothing goes PING! Except Bo's shit reason to vote Purple, your friendly easy going playing style and a sudden desire to drink tea.

What about you, besides your underwear elastic, what pings you?

I have a "friendly, easy going playing style"? I thought I was moderately snide, at best.

What pings me? A lot of things. Bo's apparent need to appease people pings me, DDD's "I'll get to it later attitude" pings me, and Nati's still self-voting.

Oh and why Selkie values your opinion and why Purple wants an artificial town block?

Because they're cool.

And I think I'll not comment on what NachoMara's doing until they're actually doing it.

[Kazekirimaru]

I don't understand the case on bo could you talk to me about it

There's not much of a case right now. Just poke it and see what comes out.

I personally dislike how he keeps taking a conciliating tone in posts like 105 and 172.

And then there's the fact that he claims to dislike pushing scum by himself, yet he's currently the solitary vote on Plum. Before that he was voting with someone else with his other two votes. The vote on Plum just looks all-around odd to me, actually. It reads to me, along with being a placating vote like I stated earlier, as a "look at me, I do stuff on my own!" exclamation. Going against the grain for the sake of it. He even stated he didn't expect anything to come of it.

[Kazekirimaru]

Kaze. The easy going comment, it was sarcasm,

I thought his answers to the questions about ideal RVS were pretty interesting. I followed a recent newbie game where he was scum, and IMO his comments about ideal RVS when he's scum matches both his play and his postgame comments in that game.

How is he preventing the kickstart of scumhunting?

Prolonged fluff at the beginning of the game makes it hard to get into serious mode.

He's not looking very apathetic atm.

Didn't say he did this game.

The chance that we are all town is better Than that game but still not entirely likely. We all have had a fair amount of games with the other and we know moth about each other than we do the others in those game.

The others in this game not in the block are arguably strong though they lack the familiarity that would make this block work.

We all also have records of letting our pride/paranoia/w/e he tuck get in the way ogre our acumen hunting and if we take that out of the equation it'll make for a much more cohesive and successful game.

And what is to be of endgame when we're all still snug in the townbloc? Cross that bridge when we come to it or what?

Yep. I changed my vote to appease people. You guys were suspecting me for something really stupid. So I changed my mind and went to the philosophy I usually follow instead of that other reason.

And then I got weak and decided to let out how shitty I think my scumhunting and wagon pushing really is.

The end

Thanks for the synopsis of your posts. What color rope do you want?

How is there not much of a case

When you basically gave a case appropriate considering the amount of actual content so far?

ok

there is, in fact, much of a case

[Kazekirimaru]

Sounds good, I suppose.

[Kazekirimaru]

Spite, probably.

[Kazekirimaru]

You've boosted the gain on your chaotic channel.

Nah, I just forgot to take the logic compressor out of my signal chain.

I just think Plague is town

So I wanna know why you think they're scum.

Why is plague town, again?

[Kazekirimaru]

In my experience, scum aren't the first ones to bring up town blocs. Town are.

So scum popping up and saying "hey guys let's make a townbloc and include me in it" isn't a viable line of play at all in your opinion?

[Kazekirimaru]

Can't say I do.

[Kazekirimaru]

Why would scum immediately jump on a lurker like yourself when there are so many people out and about to aim for, Garmr?

I think you're just getting legitimate heat for not doing anything. People don't like lurkers as a rule. Causes frustration. I'd say LLD's reaction to you moseying on in and saying "lol hai what's up?" after a bunch of pages is pretty justified.

Your so called "reaction test", however, causes me no small amount of discomfort.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Garmr

new wagon!

[Kazekirimaru]

Anyway Kaze what's your opinion on Lady Lambdadelta. Can you find a post which could be considered providing actual content?

One might say you are a pot

and one might say LLD is a kettle.

Anyway, I haven't much of an opinion on LLD yet, but she's been a hell of a lot more proactive than you. That's for sure.

[Kazekirimaru]

You just copy and pasted all my scum and town games with out reading them.

Uhm

chances are really, really good one of the heads in particular did read them

[Kazekirimaru]

can someone ask me a question please..? I am feeling left out...

Why do people keep asking this?

You can ask a question too, you know. It's a magical experience.

@walked into a club
Can I have at least of sample of your meta case on me club It doesn't have to be the whole thing. I just want proof that you actually attempted a meta read.

Eager to defend yourself, I see.

you seem to like bouncing around a bit don't you... I mean Purple's your main target here and yet you sheep their vote on me, but hang on what about Bo, it is Bo you want to kill? does he figure any more? Ahhhh no you have cracked it have you not, the game is over as basically you have pegged a nice bag of scummies, well done.. lets go have a cup of tea....

Another one eager to defend. And this time we even take jabs at our voter! Rather poor ones, at that.

based on what? The fact I use sarcasm as a tool to wind people up, didn't know that was a reason to vote someone, maybe we should all vote Kaze?

Totally.

In other news I don't think Garmr is scum.

Too pushy and confrontational too quickly. I feel like scum in general would try to at least take a further step back first to make sure a wagon won't build on him, but Garmr didn't seem to care.

Isn't that more of a playstyle thing?

@Lady

Why do you answer a question with a mightier than though put down and a crapy attitude? how the fuck do you expect people to take you seriously as an experienced player if all you are going to do is look up your own arse and inspect your colon? The only thing such response will get from me is a similar and as off handed approach as I don't really appreciate prats who think they are better than me. I would prefer a little interaction through a dialogue composed of questions and answers, not some bullshit attitude.

> Bo mentions he likes Garmr for town better because he's confrontational.
> Smudger posts this

Mm. Sounds good. Yep.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Smudger

It's too bad that Cases are scummy, and I'm not going to indulge you.

THANK YOU

I understand your modus operandi 1000% better now

[Kazekirimaru]

That's L-2, by the way.

Nati, do a thing.

[Kazekirimaru]

Smudger posts this

but that is not directed at Bo....

You're missing the point.

[Kazekirimaru]

*Lots of stuffs*

VOTE: Debonair Danny DiPietro

Feeling good about the post overall, but I don't think this is a good time for that vote.

(Personality flaws? What's wrong with town being confident in their reads? ._.)

[Kazekirimaru]

Hm, are double voters normal?

I think so.

But apparently it's a moot point.

[Kazekirimaru]

I think I'd like to hear from Penguin and Nati about the wagon(or about anything, really) before we end the day.

[Kazekirimaru]

Speak of the Morning Star, and so it shines.

I don't think I'm okay with you sleeping through the opening act.

If you'd be so kind as to put in some input about the current wagon at the very least, I'd appreciate it. I believe you were considering hammering earlier, yes?

[Kazekirimaru]

Naked body parts of whatever sex he's attracted to, I'd imagine.

Kay then. I'm not going to attempt to squeeze blood from a stone.

[Kazekirimaru]

Smudger should have been lynched like three IRL days ago. What gives?

[Kazekirimaru]

Bo put your vote back sil vous plait.

Kanye you can totally hammer and I'm sure they'll extend night past Christmas day because holiday and stuff.

Go the distance!

[Kazekirimaru]

I want your blood on my dance floor.

[Kazekirimaru]

I want your blood on my dance floor.

that it is it, nice.. how about you settle for scum blood, mines pretty pure to be honest, or are you into seal culling?

You know, I don't think you ever actually claimed any flavor. Why's that?

[Kazekirimaru]

Yup Bo is pretty town.

Pretty much agreed atm

[Kazekirimaru]

I want your blood on my dance floor.

that it is it, nice.. how about you settle for scum blood, mines pretty pure to be honest, or are you into seal culling?

You know, I don't think you ever actually claimed any flavor. Why's that?

Kaze that's close to a trust tell with that quote so zip zip zip before we continue any further before mod shots start.

I honestly don't even know what you're getting at right now.

[Kazekirimaru]

Can someone explain the Penguin vote to me please?

And then can you all unvote because this wagon reeks of scum counterage?

[Kazekirimaru]

Define "tag on anti-town behaviour"

Which person?

My initial push of...who again?

Proper nouns are cool.

[Kazekirimaru]

So you're basically saying I've got it all wrong. Kay.

Mind explaining to me what you mean exactly? As far as an anti-town tell that I'm reading as a scum tell that I shouldn't be?

[Kazekirimaru]

No, I'm just saying that one should understand their flaws in their play and do their best to take that in consideration every game.

as far as anti-town tells, it's hard to explain, but it boils down to motivation over what something actually looks like (which isn't an easy thing to do, inherently)

as far for what you did in Wisdom's game, I wanted to punch you with how you tunneled ER (sorry )

I can't tell you exactly what you need to fix, you need to do that on your own, but I can tell you what I noticed and what I thought in that game. You seemed convinced that it made her scum. It was menial to me, as it didn't show her motivation.

You're case in 96 didn't resonate with me, most of that stuff was more anti-town and more not paying attention to the gamestate than anything

Here, in this game you picked something up I, and Nacho did. I liked the vote he placed, Smudge opening post was gut-wrenching but I am aware that town can do that as well.

When I reached out to him, he acted like a defeatist and started harping on his own play (which is something I think is more town-esque) and post-advice from both of us, he started to do... something (though I honestly don't know how to take that)

I had asked Peng-al something but she hasn't responded to it, Smudge did.

We both had a goodish scum-read on smudge but I am a little worried about the read on him, and especially on how he isn't really trying to diffuse it himself.

Oh God mid-game advice.

I don't know what to do.

[Kazekirimaru]

I asked fery to catch me up in this game. Sorry for not paying too much attention.

I think at this point in time I agree with fery about Smudger being more than likely town. His wagon is driven on his snark to LLD (I think?) which in our experiences actually lean town more often than it leans scum.

Fery tihnks that the early reaction was pretty bad but given how the wagon is stagnating at L-1 he's had a much more towny vibe. I...agree with that, but would like to add that when wagons stagnate at L-1 it's much easier than when the wagon is actually building (for the scum player that is)

im ok with this vote

VOTE: penguin

That's L-1.

[Kazekirimaru]

Mm. The PA wagon is bad for the speed and timing alone. I'm surprised people are actually entertaining the idea that it's legitimate.

Selkies's 627. Gives me the bad feels. "Idk about fery but cabd seems pretty weird right now" Just bleh.


Plum, what's your conclusion on the two wagons if you think they're both scummy but not scum together?

[Kazekirimaru]

Yet you're voting PA...?

[Kazekirimaru]

Oh

UNVOTE:

I thought I did that already

[Kazekirimaru]

L-1, I believe.

[Kazekirimaru]

All dying wishes must be submitted in haiku metre.

[Kazekirimaru]

All dying wishes must be submitted in haiku metre.

[Kazekirimaru]

My computer sent it twice just to drive the point home.

Merry Christmas! ^^

[Kazekirimaru]

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[Kazekirimaru]

I think you're missing the point, it's BECAUSE of his conftown status that he played such a loose scumgame. He did that on fucking purpose. HE WAS TROLLING THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME BECAUSE HE KNEW HE COULD GET AWAY WITH IT. Fucking hell, this game.

Sorry. I've been sitting dead all game with THE ENITRE SCUMTEAM CALLED almost all game(I waffled between Magua and Selkies toward the end) and I need a public release for my frustration. This town would have won if I hadn't died. Selkies was going to get the fullest extent of my wrath Day 2, and I never, ever, EVER would have let Cabd convince my mason partner to do such things. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck me sideways. Ugh.

Okay.

Sorry.

Thanks for the game, Sixty. Cheers, everybody. Copious amounts of hugs to PA. I'm not even mad. Take care, cheers, etc.

PA, feel free to release our Mason QT.

[Kazekirimaru]