Micro 285 - Time: The Distortion (Town Win)

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hi guys

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Poor mod. The travails of running a mere 9p game.

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The name has a great pedigree at MS. Do a search on "cheeky scumfuck" and you'll see why I wholeheartedly approved of it.

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At this rate we'll hit page five mid-day 2.

All 6 of you scumfucks need to get in here and post.

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All the world's a stage.

I've been bloody well poring ISOs since this hydra was hatched.

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Though beli's preference for the skin I use on my main almost ensures a fuckton of alt slips.

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Messiah might be town.
Scumfuck is a mild townread of mine.
catboi I've got a gut-townread on.

VOTE: Lucky2u.
Lucky, not so much.

One of masky/DOMO is likely scum; I lean towards DOMO.

I'll synch up with talah later.

You didn't like Lucky's post 14?

Sepia skin be damned.

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Nope! Didn't dislike that post, either, but certainly not a post to be liked. Lucky has at least one other post here so far. Three, in fact, and none of them particularly good.

That post gave me a slight, though rough-edged townfeel. The rest of his posts seem overly aggressive for the current game state. I should delve into the dusty tomes for his usual page 1 stances.

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@Messiah : Not going to answer Lucky's question?

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You know I'm aggressive.

The post was about Lucky.

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You know I'm aggressive.

The post was about Lucky.

Oh. You find lucky's posts aggressive?

For page 1, yeah, I especially thought his first post came off that way. But, like I said, I got a slight townfeel off of post 14 (?). The one where he pointedly asked Majiffy if he was a mod-player. That seemed a little more like keyed up town than scum.

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I just consider his posts to be fluff, not town or scummy. I don't get the remotest hint of agression personally. How do you feel about catboi?

To be fair, your account name wasn't called offensive. :/

Have you played with catboi before?

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And you are defending Lucky, whether you realize it or not.

Fair enough. I can see where you're coming from, I'm just a little alarmed at how easily you're towning people to reach these conclusions.

I took his list as less tongue in cheek than this one, where Mastin was the first player to post. I don't have a problem with people making quick reads on the basis of thin data as long as I can see they're still processing it when new data hits the thread.

@Mastin, is whatever it was that impeded direct conversation between us in that game also in play in this one?

I don't think I've played catboi, though I might have in my early rev days. I feel like AH's fos at me is more town motivated than catboi's lurk and vote style, which is why I'm towning AH and scumreading catboi.

I've never played with him.

Your playstyle is pretty aggressive. I can see why you'd be getting backs up, especially in a game that starts at what is potentially the day before LYLO.

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Scumfuck-ffery-head I know to not be a fan of RVS so no vote is nothing unusual.

Common misconception. I like the RVS phase quite a bit actually. I just approach it a little differently. In a large game I usually wind up with at least 2-3 townreads that stand the test of time during RVS and the transition to srsbsns.

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Mastin, have you played with Lucky before?

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Already thinking about my claim.

-.-

Since when does town need to think about a claim? You claim the role you were given.

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I see what you're getting at now geists with the claim comment. Read my ISO in xeno and tell me how many times you find the word "claim". I started to look for stuff to show you it's null, and after something like 10 in the first 5 posts I figure the evidence is compelling that this it's just my language.

My point was that he is thinking in terms of running people into claims.

Beli posted that. It didn't ping to me. If I didn't know you're a pretty reactive player, you'd be pinging pretty hard for other reasons about now.

I agree that's how he's thinking. It's a mindset I run into a lot at MS, and it's more feasible in small games than in large ones where the town cats all go their own ways.

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you'd be pinging pretty hard for other reasons about now.

Talk me through this too.

Strong reactions as the remnants of RVS fade away catch my attention. Since we've played a couple games in the past, I have a sense of your baseline reactivity. In a player I didn't know, I'd be pretty focused on figuring out what was up and would probably have pulled a few ISOs to look at some of your RVS transitions in other games.

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In large games I've become a huge fan of running folks up - not necessarily to force a claim, but to see who joins wagons, when and why. However I tend to think in this game, that strategy will be of limited use because the maximum we could run people up to would be three votes anyway; coming from town, first votes will be suspicion-based; second votes will be either confirming that or added pressure; third votes well, that's L-1 with risk of hammer or pressure to claim. I get the feeling that the best way to play this game will be to consider votes pretty significant and also consider careful reasoned voting to be pro-town play.

I like this. It's very similar to something beli wrote in our QT. Outside of chat games in my case, the size of this game is something new to both of us.

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Oh man... Forgot this game existed for a minute.

I always have trouble reading hydras, cognitive dissonance is a bitch. I'm probably still inclined to vote scumfuck, but I would switch to Domo after the "thinking about my claim" slip. If he is a reactive player like has been claimed, isn't it likely that this was an actual slip from posting too fast? This isn't a rhetorical question btw.

So that wasn't an RVS vote?

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Hi bert. I'm going to take a very dim view of any wagon-ho stuff this game, jsyk.

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Strong reactions as the remnants of RVS fade away catch my attention. Since we've played a couple games in the past, I have a sense of your baseline reactivity. In a player I didn't know, I'd be pretty focused on figuring out what was up and would probably have pulled a few ISOs to look at some of your RVS transitions in other games.

Ok. It seemed like your previous post at me was a fos, but this feels like you're still trying to sort me.

It was an anti-fos.

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I'm probably still inclined to vote scumfuck

Ffery is definitely gut-scum this game.

Vote: scumfuck

Join me, and yes I totally skimmed the past 5 pages and Ffery is pinging me everywhere

I've played with her a bazillion times already, so yeah.

Which is it? Does your gut suck? Or are you scum?

Tell me what you think about Lucky.

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Lucky's the towniest soul to ever come down from heaven, lady ffery

Explain. Because we're seriously considering putting a vote on him if we don't like his next post.

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Because we think it's premature to put someone at L-1 just yet. Especially with bert to sort.

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I believe Lucky's tone has been very natural and relaxed. Ffery's tone has been like scratching your nails on the chalkboard. That's the only way I can describe it.

I think a couple of things are in play then. One is that this is a brand new hydra, and we're figuring out how we're going to work together.

And, I can't recall you being active during any really early game phases with me. The Dixon Hill Hard Boiled game, your hydra wasn't active until several days in. Other than that game, in all our games one or both of us replaced in.

This game, we really need more activity and soon. I'm a data based player and I'm starving for data atm.

But, I disagree with you about Lucky, though I don't think I've played with him before except for the mismatched mafia game that I replaced in as Morph. I meta'd a few of his games, and I thought he came off more aggressive and jumpy than most of the games I meta'd. I did find one town game where the tone was a little similar. I'll need more data, but right now I don't like what I'm seeing.

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But, your "fingers on chalkboard" comment seems so out there given some of the games we've played (GiF's Pick and Ban being a prime example where my play was off my usual map far enough that Nacho was scumreading me for a good while) that it makes me wonder if you're just making shit up this time.

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When you're town, I absolutely agree. You may have a shaky start occasionally, but the town usually will shine through, at least fitfully.

So, if you're town I suggest you pull up your socks. You're misreading us in a huge way and your towny shine is nowhere in sight.

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That post is sadly false, unless you're lying about your read. And this is a rather newfound faith. You usually waffle worse than a politician trying to figure me out.

I feel like you almost have to be goofing around, and I don't understand why. This doesn't look like an exchange that's going to result in a decent read.

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How many times do you think Belisarius has posted or had influence on ffery's posts?

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It was when it started, the bolded indicated it no longer being so.

The reason being?

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*infodump*

I'm thinking, at this point, that transparency is more important than hydra dissonance avoidance, so with Ffery's blessing, I'm going to quote a few things I said in our Hydra QT

In chronological order:

Really not digging how defensive DOMO is.

Not ready to drop a vote based on it, though; I'm a bit nervous myself, starting in at the day before Lylo is a bit nerve-wracking.

(01-08-2014 09:44 PM ET (US))

I've since changed my stance, since Ffery knows DOMO better and is townreading him.

I was in a newbie game with catboi, he was incredibly obvtown from the outset. There wasn't much interaction there, though, because it was a short-as-fuck game, ending early D2.

Other than him and both heads of AH, though, the rest are new to me.

(01-09-2014 07:53 AM ET (US))
This is actually a lie. I actually believed MC's heads were people

making fun

of Formerfish and Desperado, both of whom I played with in L'isle de Merde. So fuck you very much for that, Jiffy.

BTW, that definitely won't be the last time I just blurt out whatever I'm thinking in thread, because I don't want "Beli's always passive in town-hydrae" becoming a trust tell.

It helps that you have meta for doing most of the talking in your hydrae, but I don't want to skirt the trust tell rule, even by accident.

(01-10-2014 11:29 AM ET (US))

This was in response to Ffery's reaction to me growling at DOMO for saying "thinking about my claim," which I probably wouldn't have posted if I wasn't trying too hard to get something said before someone else (*glances at other head*) beat me to it. And hey, look at me, here I am doing it again! I CAN SEE THE FUTURE.

I am.

He comes in and immediately attacks a strong player (Well, your half of this hydra is) under no pressure. Scum wouldn't risk that, but a VT would in a heartbeat.

(01-12-2014 07:50 AM ET (US))

Going after you right out of the gate wouldn't be a good idea as scum. You may recall, I tried the same thing against the Nacho/Jiffy hydra in that DBZ game and got crushed like a worm for it. That's the kind of mistake someone only makes once.

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In response to Ffery not seeing much town in Bert

I'm still going through Ffery's response to my townread on Bert, but it's slow going since I don't skim or skip when I run meta. The game I was referring to where I got slapped down for going after Nacho/Jiffy as scum was here

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Still reading, but my objection to the scumBert hypothesis is withdrawn.

I

wouldn't go after Ffery guns blazing like that, but Bert would.

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Learn to count. I'm at L-2.

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Good, because that hypothesis was invalid regardless of game or alignment.

I'm still not seeing flickers of town-you, bert.

It makes me sad.

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I would like more data from bert before we think about closing out the game day. Particularly something substantive about his Lucky read.

Bert, why is Lucky town? if you've got some prior games that make Lucky's handful of posts unequivocally town, then kindly lay them out.

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I'm here. But beli's obvtown, so you should probably tunnel me.

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He does enjoy playing scum. It's a mindset I can't really fathom. :/

I think we are doing ok, settling in as a hydra.

So, what will it take for you to set your mind at ease? And what was it about my slip that pinged?

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both of those posts were me, not beli.

I was trying to imitate him. Interesting that it came off as an imitation of myself.

damn it I would alt slip while talking about my slip.

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Also, you should do a site search of "fuckton" and user fferyllt. Or just fuckton. I imagine my main and hydrae will show up pretty frequently.

Oh hell I'll do it myself.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?k ... mit=Search

Surprised there are only two by my main.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?k ... mit=Search

Rift uses the metric system.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... n#p5301047

Morph, too. The other fuckton examples are cabd.

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Oh, there was the 9 player game reference which was very quickly followed by your assumption that Day 2 may well be LYLO with a mislynch. Those two things didn't seem to match. The QT grab which also referred to that didn't seem as transparent as it could have been to me, but maybe that's just attitudinal. Myself I might tend to preface any clarification with 'THIS IS A CLARIFICATION' first. The offhanded reference seemed a bit sideways.

Can you explain how that came about?

ed: heheh

I actually didn't appreciate that we were starting the day at potentially day-before-MYLO until beli brought it up in the QT because it was making him feel pretty cautious about bandwagons. After the mention in our QT I referred to it in the thread. I'm not going to try and prove that because I think QT timestamps are a cheap and crappy form of evidence.

I'm not sure if this explains what you're concerned about.

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Lack of coverage of slots? You mean our reads? I figured my reads are implicit in my play in a game this size. I can certainly post my own reads at any time and I think beli and I are in agreement on them.

grr.

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I owe this game my attention, especially when I am a major point of discussion. Will return with content! ....and if you believe that I have some swampland in Florida to sell you.

Now

both

heads of this hydra want to vote you.

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both of those posts were me, not beli.

I was trying to imitate him. Interesting that it came off as an imitation of myself.

I associate you with poring isos, and Beli with the theatrical statements, so the one post was a bit conflicting.
(and also being out-of-nowhere humorous)

But okay, that seems the simpler explanation.

I didn't really understand this last night, but after a few cups of coffee today it makes perfect sense why that post looked conflicted.

I actually was poring over Beli isos to pick up some ideas about how to factor in some of his posting style. The post itself was an acknowledgement of your convo with Beli in the hydra request thread.

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Now both heads of this hydra want to vote you.

are you kidding?? how was that AtE scummy at all??

Maybe it was weird, but how was that scummy?????

How was it AtE?

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are you kidding?? how was that AtE scummy at all??

It wasn't AtE, and it's scummy because town's under greater pressure than on a normal D1. A D1 mislynch, however statistically likely, puts us in lylo

tomorrow

. That's worrying me, and it should be worrying

anyone

who's town. Who's showing no worry? Lucky is.

Scum can derp their way to a win in a 7p, 2 scum game. Town can't.

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I actually didn't appreciate that we were starting the day at potentially day-before-MYLO until beli brought it up in the QT because it was making him feel pretty cautious about bandwagons. After the mention in our QT I referred to it in the thread. I'm not going to try and prove that because I think QT timestamps are a cheap and crappy form of evidence.

I'm not sure if this explains what you're concerned about.

Not to be too much of a nitpicker, can I ask why you didn't immediately realise that it was 7p as soon as Lucky voted you? Or.. Was that after the QT mention from Beli

I have never played a game this small outside of chat mafia. I guess my default "small game" setting is 3 days, 2 mislynches.

And isn't tomorrow potentially LYLO if we mislynch today?

Yes.

I think I need a stiff drink and to talk to ole trust-tell-Beli if you can give him a kick in the pants for me. I have quantum reads on you guys which is a combined state of 55% scum and 80% town depending on observation.

He's around. The previous Scumfuck post was Beli.

Also I'm going to make it my purpose in life to prompt someone to use "twee" correctly in a sentence.

Nothing so well epitomizes the meaning of the term "twee" as its use in conversation.

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trust-tell-Beli

Melenkurion abatha,

Shiva, that is

cold

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I'm loving the fact you can't tell which head is posting, though.

Spoiler: An easy guide

Me this game (with me as Galuf, and Ffery played by Mr. Z)






Hopefully that last bit isn't prophetic.

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Scumfuck is a little more complicated. I was "townreading" scumfuck earlier as a reaction test, the "I see nothing of concern" comment in particular. I wanted to see if ffery was happy to be townread from me. She seems indifferent. I feel like ffery's interaction with me has been a little less than I expected, I would have expected her to press me in an effort to sort me, and I was beginning to become concerned about scumfuck. However, that hydra dump from beli, along with lucky and bert's votes, gave me renewed confidence that they are town.

Heh.

I told Beli that I didn't like you townreading me so easily and that if we got through day 1 without some paranoia from you I'd be pretty nervous. But, I've found most of your play to be an expectable mix.

I decided to leave you alone for a couple reasons - to see if paranoia about me came to the fore, and to see interactions between you and other players without me adding perturbations.

I probably let the non-reaction go on too long, though. But, the game is moving pretty slowly overall and you've been one of the more active players.

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We're liking catboi for town, too btw.

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I'll reassess all my townreads tomorrow, assuming I'm not lynched/killed.

Do you think you are top contender for being night killed?

Beli posted that. But, N1 kill is the most frequent way I exit games. There's a lot that goes into scum teams' night kill choices, including who's 2nd or 3rd on the list a doctor is likely to protect, rather than 1st. When that means someone better than me at mafia (and is town!) doesn't eat a kill, I'm pretty happy to draw the N1 kill.

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Huh. You're right. It's a quotefail. I assumed it was Beli because it wasn't me.

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Yep still 2 votes. Neither of us are terribly concerned about them from a gettin' lynched standpoint. It's more about what the fuck is Bert thinking? And Lucky's typical play is apparently so obfuscatory and reason-free that I can't even drum up a what the fuck for what he's doing here.

If they're both being worthless town, though, town has a fair sized problem. I'm looking forward to Mastin's take.

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Why do you say "a" doctor?

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Did you look at hohum's variant on the wiki?

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I thought it was odd you highlighted the possibility of more than one doc no matter how your role PM is worded.

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Why did you claim at L-2? It's mostly a curiosity question. Fakeclaiming is a possibility, but I don't see the scum-profit in prematurely fakeclaiming.

What changed your mind about Lucky?

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Why did you claim at L-2? It's mostly a curiosity question. Fakeclaiming is a possibility, but I don't see the scum-profit in prematurely fakeclaiming.

What changed your mind about Lucky?

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Because we didn't want any fucking derp hammers. And an Adaptive-DOMO-Lucky-Bert train on us seemed pretty fucking likely last night.

@ bold: Bert WKing with bad reasons + Talah setting up for a Lucky waffle + Goading us into putting him to L-1 + Setting up a quickhammer with Bert in thread

^Why did I need to restate all of this?

Because I'm not convinced of AH-scum. I want to go through your interactions a few times and think about his interactions with us some more, because I was leaning town based on his approach to us.

talah has danced around the possibility of me being scum to a larger extent than in our two prior games. One of those games was that OZ hilarity so it's hard to do much with it. But, in the postgame discussion it became pretty clear that he'd spent a fair bit of time trying to figure me out in that game and has meta'd the hell out of me as a hydra and as a solo player. The question remains whether the stuff he mined from all that will turn out to be alignment indicative or even relevant over time.

PEdit: Bert is not best for today. Who is Bert's partner if it's not Adaptive? And if you agree that it's Bert/Adaptive then we murder the strong scum first.

- Des

Someone he's mostly ignored. Which would mean one of my town reads is wrong.

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Bert's scum meta is to attack strong players and act paranoid about them. At least the meta I'm most familiar with. He lurked quite a bit in the last scum game I played with him, but it was more of a factor after day 1 and I was the N1 kill and didn't get a chance to refine that read.

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My scumgames are awesome, you should read them anyways.

-Beli

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at least if they're thinking one of Lucky or Bert.

We are.

As to which...

er,

I'll call Mr. Z.

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I'll reassess all my townreads tomorrow, assuming I'm not lynched/killed.

Do you think you are top contender for being night killed?

Hey Lucky, I'm leaning toward voting you today. Talk to me about how I should be able to tell you're town.

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I'm mobile and it is too hard to trim this post by concerning the part addressed at me... Why did you answer that post Domo? I was talking to scumfuck with that question.

You were talking to us, but DOMO actually made the post you were asking about, not us.

p-edit yeah that.

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Bert did your read of us change?

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Come on guys, I'm on a roll of activity here. Interact with me.

Why are you voting us again?

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You indicated you were scumreading us earlier.

What's the basis of your scum read on AH?

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how on earth is that scummy? wanting to wagon...one of their scumreads? that's like

the opposite

of what scum do

Because he said he was SHEEPING him, but only as long as it is what he was already doing. That's not sheeping. Sheeping is following someone else's route whether you agree or not because the Shepard your following is so trust worthy or reliable that you will let them lead you.

Most people only sheep their way up to the brink of the metaphorical cliff.

Your posts are looking better, but I feel like the content is somewhat coerced so I'm having trouble getting super thrilled that you're town. :/

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BERT!

I'm going afk and you haven't replied to me. This makes me very sad.

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Because he said he was SHEEPING him,

Right. So talah's not a communist. Hang on to this info, it may comein handy later.

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Avoiding this thread tonight because it's Shit Faced Sunday and if I get myself killed, Ffery dies too.

Bonne Chance!

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We'll make our decision tomorrow after Shit Faced Sunday recovery is done. I think we'll probably vote Bert.

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I didn't realize or notice that macho was anything but a decorative adjective

You've never played in a game with a macho role?

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... o#p5551112

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No, there is a doctor and

two mafia goons

Are you joking

This, though. A town player might not catch the significance of it being a hohum variant.

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The cop can't be protected. You die today or tonight.

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the crap? I refreshed before posting :<

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This, though. A town player might not catch the significance of it being a hohum variant.

This slipped past me, I just saw the doctor comment and saw that as a scumslip.

Do you think macho cop ever thinks he's normal cop?

The role pm itself explains what macho means - can't be protected - so the modifier is not key to understanding how the role works.

I played in a chat-style quick vengeful game with Bert on another site and he didn't read his role pm well enough to realize that scum lost if the godfather was lynched. He replaced in and he voted his teammate (godfather) when he joined the game and put him at L-1.

This isn't a chat-speed game, though.

At first I thought you were soft-counterclaiming him when you said you wouldn't unvote. But, that's not the case.

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That pretty much tears it.

I'm ready to vote Bert.

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Bert is the Cop. We 100% believe he didn't know what Macho meant because Majiffy didn't tell him and he couldn't be fucked to look up the setup that was linked in the first post.

- Des

And yet he didn't say "what the fuck my role PM doesn't look like that".

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That's the reason I want to lynch him.

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That's the reason I want to lynch him.

Majiffy said it for him.

Long after he should have.

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I'm not putting Bert at L-1 before that happens.

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No, there is a doctor and

two mafia goons

Are you joking

This, though. A town player might not catch the significance of it being a hohum variant.

isn't that line from him a town-tell, more or less?

That was my point at the time. It's become so wtf since, and bert stopped posting, though I think he said something about not really being around today. I dunno.

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Good to see you, Mastin.

The deadline actually is tomorrow.

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Scum, everyone's come in and had a chance to say their two cents. Where's your head at right now?

We haven't touched bases since everyone had their two cents. If I can, I want to hold off voting until that happens but I'll put a vote down closer to deadline without it. Speaking of which I need to nail down precisely when deadline is.

Current non-synced short form thoughts are as follows:

- bert - scum. the towntell catboi mentioned is kind of negated by the fact that scum-bert doesn't read his role pm all that closely either, plus the bulk of his play so far.

- Lucky - leaning scum. His really strong conviction that bert is town looks sketchy, and the rest of his play hasn't sat very well either.

- AH - null. I have mostly liked talah's play so I am not really happy with this read going a little south. Mastin's catch-up post didn't do much for me.

- MC - town. Had a town read based on play, but un-cc'd doc pretty much seals it.

- DOMO - town. I'm seeing the expected amount of day 1 tin-foil hat. We'll probably be alive tomorrow but just in case, the tin-foil hat will probably increase as the game progresses.

- catboi - town. Lots of townposting, but I particularly like that he questioned us about apparently disregarding bert's "towntell".

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We don't see bert and lucky as a viable scumteam, btw. One or the other. There are several reasons for this. One is the conviction that bert's town. If bert is town, then Lucky-scum goes up a notch. The other reason for thinking they aren't scum together is that I can't really picture the scum-sense in both of them parking their vote on us for as long as they did if they're a scumteam.

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We don't see bert and lucky as a viable scumteam, btw. One or the other. There are several reasons for this. One is the conviction that bert's town. If bert is town, then Lucky-scum goes up a notch. The other reason for thinking they aren't scum together is that I can't really picture the scum-sense in both of them parking their vote on us for as long as they did if they're a scumteam.

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Day 1 begins now and ends on Tuesday, Jan 21st at 8:00 PM Eastern Time

That is approx 7.5 hours from the time of this post unless I fail at time zone math.

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That is approx 7.5 hours from the time of this post unless I fail at time zone math.

I had a tiemzone fail, but jiffy's 24 hours approx notice was posted at 10.55am ET, while your last post was 9.38am ET. If we're to assume EXACTLY 24 hours, we have 1 hr 15 mins left. I don't know what jiffy's idea of approx is. Where you getting 7.5 hours from?

From Majiffy's post that I quoted. 8 PM Eastern time. It's on page one of the thread.

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DO NOT LYNCH BERT UNLESS THERE IS A COUNTER CLAIM. IF YOU CC BERT, DO IT TODAY SO WE GET A GUARANTEED SCUM LYNCH TIA~

A counterclaim shouldn't be needed.

VOTE: Bert.

See, talah's basically 100% convinced Bert's scum. I'm not 100%, but I am 95%.

yup

AH is scum

- Des

Nope! You're not scum either, though. There's basically one scum between DOMO/Scumfuck/catboi/Lucky2u. I'm still doing my analysis, but catboi seems town to me (and talah), and talah likes DOMO for town (I sorta lean that way) and Scumfuck is probably town so I'm thinking that Lucky2u is scum as well.

I'm having trouble seeing bert/lucky as a team. It looks like you think that's a distinct possibility.

p-edit ok. I guess that's a bridge to cross after today's flip.

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Heh.

Tomorrow's going to be interesting!

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Also, I have to say, contrary to Scumfuck's analysis, Bert and Lucky2u

really

look like scumbuddies.

I do tend to have a somewhat narrow view of what's pro-scum behavior. MS has expanded my horizons a little but I'm still a product of my mafia upbringing.

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I'm here. Nothing to add for now.

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Why'd you guys investigate us?

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lolwut?

VOTE: DOMO

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Looks like it's just you and me online atm.

I'm going to laugh if every night action last night targeted us.

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I've lost against catboi too. Let's have a beer.

Can't wait to see the scum QT.

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Who did you roleblock, DOMO?

Night 1 really confuses me.

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The player who was investigated being NKed would have seriously sucked for town.

Being VT and not worrying about that mechanic was awesome.