Mini 424 - Game Over

[ac1983fan]

Original Roll String: 1d12

1 12-Sided Dice: (10) = 10

[ac1983fan]

random vote:elias

[ac1983fan]

unvote

[ac1983fan]

<snip>
@ ac1983fan: Why did you unvote without comment? What do you think of the latest developments?
<snip>

I unvoted becuase we were past the random stage. i don't really see anything other than elias being stupid.

[ac1983fan]

Vote: ac1983fan

. Care to comment on the game? There should be plenty to talk about.

I feel there's actually very little to talk about.

[ac1983fan]

Vote: ac1983fan

. Care to comment on the game? There should be plenty to talk about.

I feel there's actually very little to talk about.

Then when can we expect any contribution from you? You have (as of now) added nothing to the game whatsoever. Games are not somehow ensorcelled to be either exciting, fast-paced, or bland - it depends entirely on the players. When there are players who lurk or do not comment, games become less and less enjoyable.

For what reason do you play mafia, ac1983fan?

I play to have fun. I'd say something if I felt there was something to say.

[ac1983fan]

I'm not trying to be dead wieght. I'll reread later today and post a "longer than my normal post" post.

[ac1983fan]

OMG is the scummiest, because he seems to be pushing for kilmentator's lynch randomly.
Ancalagon and Elias are sedcond and third on my list of scumminess, although Elias is much less scummy.

FOS:Barroman

for voting kilmentator, who appears to be town to me
Meme seems town. shadow hasn't posted enough for me to categorize him as either town or scum.

vote:omg im innocent wtf

[ac1983fan]

OMGUS much?

[ac1983fan]

FOS:Barroman

for voting kilmentator, who appears to be town to me

i dont like that you would FOS someone just because they have different opinions about someone. if you were scum you could say the same thing about your scumbuddy and fos anyone who votes for him. it just seems like a dumb argument to me.

I Fos'd him because he voted kilmentator, saying he was scummy, yet neither him nor OMG has provided a valid reason as to Kil's scumminess.

[ac1983fan]

do you have a reason?

[ac1983fan]

unvote: OMG

vote: Ancalgon

Post 129 convinced me to vote for you. You either have not been reading the thread, or are pretty damn forgetful/stupid
lynch -1 for ancalgon.

[ac1983fan]

Listen: How am I supposed to defend myself if I
It's up to you. I wouldn't fake going on vacation, if that's what you're implying. Also. I'm not the most inactive player, The Shadow is. Look at statistics.
<snip>

Well, yes, but now that your active again, we expect you to read the enitre thread before you accuse someone of vote hopping.

[ac1983fan]

Well, yes, but now that your active again, we expect you to read the enitre thread before you accuse someone of vote hopping.

I did read the thread but we lost data.
<snip>

We didn't lose anything important.

[ac1983fan]

Well, yes, but now that your active again, we expect you to read the enitre thread before you accuse someone of vote hopping.

I did read the thread but we lost data.
<snip>

We didn't lose anything important.

Yes we did. We lost MeMe's evidence on me, and now MeMe won't tell me anything about it, claiming I should have remembered.
<snip>

oh, whoops, my bad. I didn't think we had lost MeMe's and OMG's agreeing that you were a good place for a vote bedaause you hadn't posted much. my bad.

unvote:Ancalagon

[ac1983fan]

what behavoir? yer full of it.

vote: Baroman

seriously, explain your reasons, don't just say you don't like somebody. i unvoted because i was wrong.

[ac1983fan]

FOS:SV

craplogic.

[ac1983fan]

Being emotional and hyper-defensive is a classic scum-tell.

(OMG gets mad at kil)

Yelling at people and using bad grammar (I'm pretty sure even someone who's English isn't that great knows how to capitalise I's)doesn't make you town either.

Meant to make that mostly and

FOS:Kil

, but I was distracted.

[ac1983fan]

unvote:Barroman

OMG is not scum based off his playstyle.

FOS:anyone who's trying to get him lynched based on his playstyle

[ac1983fan]

unvote: vote kilmenator

And the reasons are...

your one to talk. name one tiem you've actually given a credible reason for a vote.

[ac1983fan]

I have hardly said anything about kil... name one point were we were freindly...
also, I am not being hasty to lynch, I have been trying to vote somebody who is scum... recent actions by Kil and sv are causing me to rethink my vote on you for now.

[ac1983fan]

show me posts that indicate this.

[ac1983fan]

I votedhim for the same reason I voted you, voting kil w/o any good reason.
Honestly, at the moment, everybody but MeMe has said at least one scummy thing. including me. Meme hasn't posted enough to say something scummy yet.

[ac1983fan]

I will list all the posts I find scummy. They will simply be numbered, though.
Scummy Things:
Less Scummy:
9
10
17
32
46
91
94
113
129
133
142
161
163
188
203
More Scummy:
26
34
54
59
76
97
111
181
195


... Those are all the posts I find have something scummy in them.

[ac1983fan]

prodded, not much going on here though.

[ac1983fan]

prodded, not much going on here though.

3.) Many players (myself included) have wanted you to explain your "list" of scummy posts, instead of just saying "these posts are scummy".

ughh,,, Your gonna make me go back, reread every post I listed, and write a paragraph about everyone? I though most of them were obvious.
I also though OMg's claim was a joke which was why i didn;t say anything about it.

[ac1983fan]

vote:nolynch

at the moment, it seems like no lynch may be the best option. with the deadline fast approaching, we have very little information to work on. It doesn't help that I need to get a grade in a class FROM AN F To at least an b- by tomorrow, so I can't be on here to see any additional developements.

[ac1983fan]

WTH?

[ac1983fan]

your nice.

[ac1983fan]

I was talking to omg_, not you.

so then why'd you vote me?

[ac1983fan]

I'm not pretending.
nothing has happened these past 3 pages except OMG claiming doc and everybody wondering why.

[ac1983fan]

I disagree with your POV
since the last three pages has done nothing to convince me that anyone has been lynched, and as of page 10 or 11 I believe I was not voting anybody, I obviously don't think anybody is scummy enough to lynch. Personally, I think no lynch is better than townie or doc or some other power role lynch. But, I may be alone in that respect.

[ac1983fan]

Let's see... so now I'm at lynch -2...
alright then, I guess this is time for me to claim.

I'm a roleblocker

. Don't believe me? you have every right to. but I'll tellyou right now, if you lynch me, you lose a powerrole.

Like I said, though, you wouldn't be making a decision on your own so you don't need to worry that you're going to make a mistake. Providing a vote -- heck, even a vote on ME <snip>

why the heck would I vote somebody who is so obviously town based on your posts?? that would get me lynched right off... the scummiest person here is Barroman, but I don't have enough of a case against him to vote him any more.

ughh,,, Your gonna make me go back, reread every post I listed, and write a paragraph about everyone? I though most of them were obvious.
I also though OMg's claim was a joke which was why i didn;t say anything about it.

Two immediate points.

1.) Yes, I

do

expect you to read back, reread every post your listed, and write about everyone - but you certainly don't need a paragraph. A short explanation is all that is necessary. If you are going to be calling things scummy, we need to know exactly

what

you find scummy, not just waving your hand at a post and proclaiming it to be scummy.

2.) If you thought it was a joke, you were more than free to say that

at the time he claimed

instead of

waiting until now

.

I'll try to do that either tonight, tomorrow, or more likely saturday.

unvote:nolynch

for now.

[ac1983fan]

I find almost everyone except meme scummy, i said barroman was the scummiest.

[ac1983fan]

I did a random block of javert.

[ac1983fan]

Unvote: ac1983fan

to prevent any premature hammers or quicklynches.

I did not receive mod notice that I had been role-blocked, regardless of whether or not I have a night action. I'll have to think on this claim.

Out of curiosity, how did you randomly happen to choose me (i.e. what system of randomizing did you use)?

I believe I did a simul diceroll, it came up six, and you were 6th on the list.

[ac1983fan]

Ughh.... Ancalagon's post 361 is almost enough to make me lynch him
He hasn't claimed a powerrole yet, so he's obv. townie or scum.
I'll think it over, and I'll post my decision sometime around 11:00pm. maybe eralier.

[ac1983fan]

you did? I must have missed that.

vote:ancalagon

At least We're definitely not lynching a powerrole here. either a townie or scum.

[ac1983fan]

Last night I blocked barroman. So this didn't effect who the mafia killed.

[ac1983fan]

I just posted who I blocked.

[ac1983fan]

I was originally thinking ac1983fan's vote near the end was particularly more likely to come from scum than town, for three reasons. Firstly was ac1983fan's suggestion of No Lynching. Secondly was that he was one of the more critical unvoters on the first wagon. Thirdly was the seeming inconsistency between posts [363] and [366]. In Post [363], he says it's 'obvious' Ancalagon is either townie or scum. After Ancalagon claims townie, ac1983fan decides he can lynch him safely. Though I still consider the first a point against him, the second actually seems more like a line of a thought a townsperson would portray. I would still like him to explain this, however: if you thought Ancalagon was either a townsperson or scum to begin with, I don't see how him claiming townie would make you vote him (since it would appear that even if he had claimed a power role, you would have disbelieved him and voted him anyways). In other words, your expectations of him being 'townie or scum' essentially meant you were going to vote for him whatever he claimed.

I Wasn't thinking straight.

[ac1983fan]

look, I'm busy right now and won't be able to make an in depth anaysis for the next week and 1/2. sorry,

[ac1983fan]

I will not vote Kilmenator, due to I have reasonable proof that lynching her would be lynching a pro-town role.

fos:nocmen

Secret information ≠ good idea. if you have reasonable proof, then share it with us.

[ac1983fan]

Grounded indefinitely.
Don't know when I'll be back around, so replace me if needed.

[ac1983fan]

I'm back no need to replace.
I can't disagree with much of your postelias... but i can disagree with these:

Im kind of confused why the numbers jump around so much.

Scummy Things:
Less Scummy:
9
10
17
32
46
91
94
113
129
133
142
161
163
188
203
More Scummy:
26
34
54
59
76
97
111
181
195

I don't jump around they are in chrono order. with slightly scummy on top list and most scummy on the bottom list.

I'm sorry im a lurker, but that's just the way I play. In my 4 completed/dead/abandoned games I lurked in all of them. one I was away, I was scum; one I lurked, I was scum; two I lurked, I was town. you can check the games I'm in now, I have a lurking style there too.
and honestly, I might not contribute much to the discussion, but I generally try to use my own reasoning for voting, and not jsut read what someone else says and think it's right. not saying anyone here does that tho.

[ac1983fan]

mod, votecount plz.

look, i'm sorry i lurk, it doesn't help that I've been in two advanced classes all year. starting next week, i probably wont have much homework until september.

[ac1983fan]

lurking does = my playstyle, but the amount of work i have doesn't help.

[ac1983fan]

vote:barro

good place for vote now...
okay, I know I keep making promises... But after next week, theres no more school, so then I'll be able to make a new list of scummy posts with reasons.

[ac1983fan]

*insert random tap dance/rap here to attract mods attention*

[ac1983fan]

I didn't block anybody becuase I couldn't make a decision, and the first week of summer prevented me from rereading.

[ac1983fan]

Ok, so two possibilities:
1. SV is scum and knows (or assumes correctly) I am town because I am not in his scumgroup
2. He really is a cop.
However, I find this really odd that there would be

two

cops in a game with a backup cop... So I'm going to put an

fos:SV

on him.... I will probably reread his posts from previous days, to see if they match up with the behavior of a cop. (at some point, that is).

[ac1983fan]

*hits head*
I believe SV's claim 100% now.

[ac1983fan]

EBWOP: New scummy posts coming on monday. by the latest. I have computer acess all day monday.

[ac1983fan]

I messed up. I thought that barromans role was Backup

cop

, not backup

doc

.

[ac1983fan]

vote: spectrumvoid

reason please?

[ac1983fan]

read the last page please?

I don't see any reasoning for that vote...

[ac1983fan]

next week I'm going to be away for camp. I'll reread day two and post everything I thought was scummy from live players later today.

[ac1983fan]

Throw out my first list of scummy posts, cause those aren't really that scummy, looking back...
The first scummy psot I can find from day 2 is this:
[quote=sweenytodd, post 401]The only pressure I can apply is with my vote so let here more from Kil...
Vote: Kilmenator [/quote]
which really isn't all the scummy., but it looks a little like an attempt by scum to jump on a bandwagon. I'm doubtful it was tho, becuase that was early in the day, and scum wouldn't try to bandwagon lynch thenj, cause they'd prettyy much lose... moving on:
[quote=sweenytodd, post 415]My current top 3 suspects in no particular order are :
ACfan
Kilmenator

Javert

[/quote](emphasis mine)
he says Javert is one of his top 3 suspects... yet, in his second post, he said:
[quote=sweenytodd, his 2nd post]Javert: Not sure how I feel about Javert... He seems too eager to hop on Elias for MeMe's logic but has been pretty consistent throughout the game holding people to account for their posts. When questioned by MeMe I thought he at least took the time to defend himself which I appreciate. Gives me a pro-town feel atm but I always reserve the right to chnge my mind = ). [/quote]
and never said anything about Javert being scummy after that.

other than that, I really can't find anything thats setting off my scumdar.
So, here's my overall analysis of the current players:

Nocmen

:Cleared, won't vote for

SV

:Probably a cop. however, may need to look at her previous behavour as a cop....

Javert

:Most pro-town player, won't vote for

Meme

: I really can't get a read on MeMe...

Sweenytodd

:Pretty scummy.

Elias the theif

:Slightly scummy

[ac1983fan]

pretty scummy > slightly scummy

[ac1983fan]

heh, looks like i didn't miss aything.

[ac1983fan]

I am really against an SV lynch. She has claimed a powerrole. assuming the setup had only 3 scum, the current ratio of scum:town is 2:6. Even if we lynch town today and the mafia NK is succsessful, tomorow's scum:town ratio should be 2:4. that being said, I would rather lynch someone that is either townie or scum than lynch someone who is either cop or scum. And, since my only two real suspicsions are sweenytodd and Elias, and I find sweeny scummier than elias, I will

vote:sweeny

[ac1983fan]

no quitting. quitting sucks. why ahsn't anybody commented on my last post yet?

[ac1983fan]

Really, since I think if she is a Cop she is likely to be Naive (more than 50%), I find her claimed

role

completely useless at the moment, such that "leaving alive a Cop" is not really something I will bother calculating into my decision for lynching. The only purpose of spectrumvoid

to me

is that it is possible for the two of you to try to confirm/deny each others' abilities - such that you threaten to role-block her, and if both of you are alive tomorrow, she claims whether or not she received an investigation, and then you claim whether or not you blocked her (or vice versa - best would probably be to try to find a time for both of you to claim simultaneously, but that seems unlikely given our environment). Problems here naturally arise in that you could both scum together, that you could be a scum role-blocker, that scum could guess correctly, that one of you could die, and so on.

I wasn't thinking along those lines. I thinking more of, we wait until the mafia's night kill and SV's results come in tommorow and than we'll have a better idea if she is scum or not.

[ac1983fan]

... Did you not read my post where i picked out you and sweeny and the scummiest? did you not notice I said sweeny was scummier than you? did you not notice that in the post javert quoted, I voted sweeny?

fos:elias

MOD NOTE

Sweenytodd

is being replaced.

[ac1983fan]

Generally, I'm person who either makes an informed decision or no decision. N0 I randomly roleblocked because it was before day one, which is random time. N1 I blocked barroman and N2 I made no decision. I'm still keeping my vote on your predesccor on you, and I think I know who i am going to block tonight.

[ac1983fan]

Generally, I'm person who either makes an informed decision or no decision. N0 I randomly roleblocked because it was before day one, which is random time. N1 I blocked barroman and N2 I made no decision. I'm still keeping my vote on your predesccor on you, and I think I know who i am going to block tonight.

[ac1983fan]

woops. sorry

[ac1983fan]

Because from the information to go on, I couldn't decide who was most likely to be scum.

[ac1983fan]

I'd have 3 letters, but I'm not allowed to use them in this game. I'd think you wouldn't vote for someone you *supposedly* got an innocent on, and is actively trying to prevent your lynch here.

[ac1983fan]

*sigh* well, it looks like my plan for the night isn't going to work out...

unvote:hand banana

vote:SV

[ac1983fan]

last night I blocked hand banana... this morning there is no NK.... I sense a connection...

vote:hand banana

[ac1983fan]

I am a roleblocker, and I believe hand banana to be scum, because first off, his predesssor was quite scummy, and I blocked him last night, and this morning there is no nightkill... I voted SV yesterday, because a claimed cop shouldn't have voted for one of her innocents even

if

she thought she was naive... do only two possibilityies I see are this:
1.hand banana is scum
2.scum counted on me really being a roleblocker, didn't send in a nk tonite, and are laughing there heads off right now....

I don't know why the town would have so many power roles... the only other explanation I can think of is that the mafia have some sort of powerrole or have 4 members, which would be odd.

[ac1983fan]

I want some input from meme soon.... theres nothing more I can add right now to prove that I'm a roleblocker, and if you've lynched me, we basically lost...

[ac1983fan]

I was just throwing that 4 scum thing out there... but hadn't thought of that.... as for the no-kill thing, it is a possibility. Like HB said, unlikely, but still... and if scum did do that, well played scum... although it might be a little too WIFOMy...

as for elias, he wasn't as much of a concern to me as you, because you voted SV pretty early, and elias didn't vote her at all... so, speaking of elias... come out come out whereever you are.

[ac1983fan]

oh and this little slip-up

it looks like my plan for the night isn't going to work out...

--
what plan?
just think about it.. if you are RBer, what possible "plans for the night" you might have?? only thing you have to do is pick one townie who you suspect the most and block him.
but now we see what that plan really is.
and he might be blocker for real.. but mafia roleblocker. that's the only way to have a fairly balanced game (scum-town power roles ratio considered).
being mafia RBer makes it much more psychologically easy to claim RBer.

I was going to try and validate/invalidate SV's claim by rbing her. If she hadn't gotten so contradictory near the end the the day, I would've voted her and that's what would've happened/

[ac1983fan]

How does my vote for sv yesterday make my input more important than Elias's?

Anybody who votes for a pro-town role that is lynched is more supsisous than others.

[ac1983fan]

aargh...

[ac1983fan]

aargh...

please note this is my expression of frustration... MeMe may not like my thinking but that's the way I was thinking at the time.

[ac1983fan]

theres nothing more I can say to defend myself... If you guys lynch me, town loses. that's all there is too it. I'm not going to post anymore, because, well, it would be pointless.

[ac1983fan]

I really can't get a good tell on any one single person. However, I am keeping my vote on him. Why? If the scum wanted to, most likely they could end the game by quicklynching him if he was town. That would make it 2 scum and 3 town, they could NK their way to a win overnight.

This just made a lightbulb go off in my head: If scum wanted to win, why wouldn't they have done this already. The only possible explanation for it could be that one of the two scum is already voting for me. Or, scum have setup a brilliant evil plan and are just waiting for the right moment to win.

[ac1983fan]

stop wasting time guys.
you have three choices, me hand banana, and elias.
pick one and vote now. stop saying "oh, I'm going to vote ac1983fan later because he's so scummy"
the one thing I don't get is how I can be considered scummy.

mod, can you tell us Sv's sanity? or is that private information

MOD NOTE

complete roles will be disclosed once the game has ended...

[ac1983fan]

4.

Finally, he's played scummily all game.

If I remember correctly, early on, you said I looked town or something... I may be remembering incorrectly tho.

[ac1983fan]

arrg nvm that.
I won't be posting anymore in this thread unless an oppurtunity I can't pass up arrises

[ac1983fan]

how about we lynch elias?
in most peoples scum possibilites, he seems to be a common denominator in most peoples scum pairings.

unvote:hand banana vote:elias

[ac1983fan]

told you HB was scum... and everybody was right about elias in the end....
*sigh*
Brian, don't you think the town was a little too, well, overpowered?

[ac1983fan]

>< Oargh.

Well, at least my first time of forgetting which account I'm under was after the game was over. Yeesh.

wait, who were you?

Only answering this formally because Thok thought I was Hand Banana for whatever reason. I was Javert.

Thought Javert was way to good for that new a player...