Dark Age of the Law Mafia GAME OVER

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hi guys

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Fery didn't post yet

#rekt

VOTE: BK

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Aw Bert.

Sorry about your role pm.

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Hey bert while you're here, post this sentence and only this sentence in your next post.
"BertKerberos is aligned with Town."

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TICK TOCK BERTYBERT

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I may or may not be Klavier Gavin.

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nothing to see in the above post

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VOTE: Doduo

You can't even fly and Charizard is better.

So you are suggesting that if neither ICs are forced to claim they don't claim until day 3? That would be great if we could keep them alive that long since if I did my math correctly there should be at most 11 people alive at that point, which would narrow down the pool to just 9 players. Do the benefits outweigh the costs of not having them claim now though? I feel like at least one of them is going to be forced to claim by the time we get to Day 3.

Double day
Double day

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I say we just play this game like a normal white flag DDU.
Any objections?

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It must be only the sentence that I told you to say.

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Ok.
Back that up within 5 pages.

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why are you wasting time on me?

and is this all a gambit?? notscience had a lie detector in 260 X-men (completed game), and I ain't scared this time, boy <3

Why not?
PG1 srs face trolling is best troll

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Hey bert, quick tell me which posts so far have been ffery posts.

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Hey Ffery you wanna go?

let's goooo

Post in your next post:

"Sound of Silence is aligned with Town."

I swear GIF-dra is scum-trolling me.

I'm afraid that my alignment would be found, so I must respectfully decline.

Newsflash guys!!

Sound of Silence is scum. Look at GIF putting on this happy show of "OMGERZ IMA CONFTOWN MYSELF WITH LIE DETECTOR"

it's all a game! He didn't confirm us like a MAN.

Be a gentleman and please quote where I claimed lie detector.

LAWDY LORD NACHO APPROVES!!

VOTE: El sonido del silencio

Weird. I asked nacho on skype and he said he never said such thing.
Care to explain why you lied?

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Weird. I asked nacho on skype and he said he never said such thing.
Care to explain why you lied?

Yes he did!!! He says feel free to go after whoever I think is scum!!!

Re: pointing out posts - nope, you're a collective hydra and I intend to bring you to the grave at all costs

Oh so you ARE scum. Vote is serious.

me

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proof or gtfo

With that said, I too was asking you where Sound of Silence said Sound of Silence claimed lie detector. You are so sure of it you can quote it easily right?
such a scumfuck

P-Edit: oops posts

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I'm afraid that my alignment would be found, so I must respectfully decline.

Nacho did give me his permission to tunnel you, and I respectfully decline to take "no" for an answer

Nacho told me that Bert should be townreading us right now.
What's up?

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GIF, who is known for wild reaction test, would do that!
Why are you keep lying about what nacho said?

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Only a LIE DETECTOR, with TOWN motivation, would do such a risky play at the beginning of the game!!! OMG

I would have done better stuff than confirming your alignment if I was gonna use the lie-detecting ability.

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Oh so you ARE scum. Vote is serious.

Ffery impersonating GIF, huh? Hiding behind hydra heads is not appreciated.

I never hide. Except as Sangres occasionally.

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I'm usually vla on weekends fyi.

I'll see you tomorrow!

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Stop discrediting me! I'm gonna calm the heck down and not post with cappies.

I'm not lying about what he said! Stop!

GIF is not known for wild reaction tests!!! I've never seen one with him in any of my past games!!!

P-edit: Yes you could because you would be worried about Nacho and reading him correctly, BS!

You've never seen a GiF reaction test?

srsly?

I don't believe you.

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LAWDY LORD NACHO APPROVES!!

VOTE: El sonido del silencio

Weird. I asked nacho on skype and he said he never said such thing.
Care to explain why you lied?

Yes he did!!!

He says feel free to go after whoever I think is scum!!!

Re: pointing out posts - nope, you're a collective hydra and I intend to bring you to the grave at all costs

I mean, because you are a big bad scumfuck you wouldn't even notice this blatant contradiction in your testimony!

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Check your games for... what, exactly?

I don't remember calling you scum for your meta.

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I'll let Nacho try to read you too!

You would be highly disappointed when nacho actually talks to you about this.

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GiF, he never did quote where you claimed lie detector. :/

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check for me not having ever seen a GIF gambit/reaction test

I don't remember ever seeing one in past games, and I'm 100% sure I haven't

Popcorn micro II, against you/nacho pre-game.
Now selfvote you lying scum

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ETL's mini norm was one of them too, where I pulled off a reaction test by trolling at least half of the playerlist at early d1.

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it was implied.

I am off to dinner but I am annoyed by all this discrediting. i will be back...this is not over

P-edit: GIF didn't do any reaction tests in that game! Prove it. We were trolling pre-game!

What could be the better reaction testing than trolling each other to death?

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Trolling does not equal huge reaction tests!!! I am not known for huge reaction tests, but I am known as a troll!!!!

That's where we differentiate.
You troll for sake of trolling.
I troll for the sake of garnering reactions.

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You underestimate me.
I scum-troll better than this.

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but I am known as a troll!!!!

Even if you were town, I think this makes yourself worthy enough to be policy-lynched, doncha think?

Here's a deal.
If you're scum, self-vote.
If you're town, do town the favor and self-vote.

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Why quote and ask if you know I'm trolling?

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But I have a good read on bert because of it. Besides, it's only page 4, where people skips reading anyway.

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... the way that I expected ____-Bert did.

Next stop: the scumbird.

VOTE: Duduo

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Emotion is independent of alignment.

How emotion manifests is not independent of alignment.

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It is when how the emotion manifests is painfully obvious, and also independent of alignment.

Probably good time to say [agree-to-disagree] here before it expands to pointless "no u" argument.

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so few votes... so many people i want dead...

VOTE: SoS

i will also accept wrathchild and candlejack votes

Explain candlejack for me

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Because the Sound of Silence never gets mislynched, one way or another.
The only death that awaits us is a nightkill.

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If GIF was pushing for real policy lynch, you wouldn't have noticed it because he disguises it as lynching his scumread just like he did it in Newbie 1417.

Beast I kinda didn't care because setup discussion bores me.
KA I had him as town until my partner brought something and we're gonna review when we meet up.
CJ looked town. I don't believe in too tryhard to be town stuff.
Wrath is gut town.

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SOS can you elaborate on this a little please?

I plead to my right to remain silent.

Maybe GIF is working hard because he got over his irl stuff. His game is all based on his general motivation after all.

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p-edit: My experience with GIF is that he does not work this hard as town, unless it was you posting during that whole argument with Bert. So I'm honestly not sure what to make of it. I'm comfortable with my town read on you at the moment though, based on other factors, which I think will make things a bit easier. Ok on CJ/Wrath reads. Once I get a chance to get with Guyett we can compare notes again later.

SoS is a pretty synergistic hydra. We're both excited about this game. We'll try not to dominate the post count, but chances are very good that we will anyway.

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I would join the wagon and say "lol scumslip" but then to be honest, I didn't realize it myself that I had a different wincon than the generic one.

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Yeah not reading stuff carefully screwed me over big time in one of my games but the old habit dies hard.

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holy crap, you and etl form the tag team of driving me apeshit insane

Do you think this setup will make it difficult for scum to lurk?

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And another thing I forgot to mention about Silence, the one thing that did stand out to me was that the timing of their vote change to Doduo just seemed wrong. Once again, I'm probably too close to that to make an objective observation, but to me it seemed like "oh look, a shiny thing" mentality, despite the fact that Doduo wasn't relevant at all at the time.

We'll explain this vote later.

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Also, cautiously liking Candle Jack for town.

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Aw Bert.

Sorry about your role pm.

Hey bert, quick tell me which posts so far have been ffery posts.

Weird. I asked nacho on skype and he said he never said such thing.
Care to explain why you lied?

Yes he did!!! He says feel free to go after whoever I think is scum!!!

Re: pointing out posts - nope, you're a collective hydra and I intend to bring you to the grave at all costs

Oh so you ARE scum. Vote is serious.

me

Oh so you ARE scum. Vote is serious.

Ffery impersonating GIF, huh? Hiding behind hydra heads is not appreciated.

I never hide. Except as Sangres occasionally.

Stop discrediting me! I'm gonna calm the heck down and not post with cappies.

I'm not lying about what he said! Stop!

GIF is not known for wild reaction tests!!! I've never seen one with him in any of my past games!!!
These are fery posts.
Rest are mine.
P-edit: Yes you could because you would be worried about Nacho and reading him correctly, BS!

You've never seen a GiF reaction test?

srsly?

I don't believe you.

GiF, he never did quote where you claimed lie detector. :/

Emotion is independent of alignment.

How emotion manifests is not independent of alignment.

p-edit: My experience with GIF is that he does not work this hard as town, unless it was you posting during that whole argument with Bert. So I'm honestly not sure what to make of it. I'm comfortable with my town read on you at the moment though, based on other factors, which I think will make things a bit easier. Ok on CJ/Wrath reads. Once I get a chance to get with Guyett we can compare notes again later.

SoS is a pretty synergistic hydra. We're both excited about this game. We'll try not to dominate the post count, but chances are very good that we will anyway.

holy crap, you and etl form the tag team of driving me apeshit insane

Do you think this setup will make it difficult for scum to lurk?

And another thing I forgot to mention about Silence, the one thing that did stand out to me was that the timing of their vote change to Doduo just seemed wrong. Once again, I'm probably too close to that to make an objective observation, but to me it seemed like "oh look, a shiny thing" mentality, despite the fact that Doduo wasn't relevant at all at the time.

We'll explain this vote later.

Also, cautiously liking Candle Jack for town.

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Um wheres the rest of the posts

Those are fery posts.
rest are mine.

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My townread on candle comes from his long post.
That's it.

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>>>GIF is scum. I'm 100% on reading him and I've been looking forward to testing out some theories about him, and I'mreally excited bc he's already pinging the shit out of a lot of the tells I think I found. sheep me plz<<<

I won't count this game on your reading GIF streak if you promise not to whine about being wrong later. Deal?

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I'm not stopping you because I want you to tunnel me.
Just sign the agreement above and start your action.
I need to practice surviving death tunnel anyway

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wait so you actually read said long posts? that seems impossible given you're 100% anti-wall and pro-conciseness. why would you start now consideirng

you've skipped most of the walls in every single game I've played with you?

100% anti-meaningless-wall*

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Fery's sick so it's been GIF.

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is this ffery?

this response is so weak. no reach out no nothing. it's not what I would have expected from you and I'd expect you to at least wanna try to work with me here a bit. I'm also surprised you're not pushing an "I'm surprised you're not townreading me by now" considering that's what you tend to do when I misread you and you tend to be confident about your own readability as town

what do you two think about Sakura's scumread on you? given you didn't even react to it iirc. I'd expect you to try to work with her as well

No it wasn't. This, however, is.

I shouldn't be looking at a computer screen too much because migraine but some games won't wait.

This isn't a won't wait game atm.

I have a mild scumread on Sakura. I'm waiting for more data before I get serious about sorting her.

You just showed up, what less than an hour ago and you want reach-out already?

I think your push on us is town as fuck but hilariously misguided. I am anything but a cheeky scumfuck. Any tendency at all toward humor or trolling is a raging towntell for me. Even by proxy.

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Shhhh fery
The bigger the expectation, the bigger the disappointment is!

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Also @Metal Sonic

Hi there! It's GIF!
Your hydra partner told me that you are town as shit.
I'm town too!
Together, we're gonna wreck some scum just like we did in huntersXhunters and perpetual mylo
You up for it?

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But didn't you said I'm 100% scum?

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Also regarding CJ, as I said, the post length.
Effort is a towntell for me.
KA, town.

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Actually I wanna live tyvm

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It's ok. I will give hell to whoever pick on my dear EP (eg kat)
I stand by the effort towntell because

I don't wanna read long posts

I don't see scum going hard from the getgo in early game.

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(Also it's not like I'm gonna use only that to townread someone til the end.)

(Actually, I might. I can't guarantee.)

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Oh anti you're in luck. I'm not fery.

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Fery has a different reason for cautiously townreading them but I haven't ask her yet.

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Oh also did we tell you that we decided that you are excited town after debating why you were overreacting on Tar townreads?

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^
To anti

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(((Antihero)))

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My house is very clean. But thanks Anti.

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I'm scared at you calling me "town as fuck" based just on my push. it feels more like an "I'm supposed to read him as town based on his pushes" as opposed to legitimately doing it, to fit with the read on me you're "supposed" to have, given from what I remember you generally waver on me for a while at the start of the game. not to mention I'm trying smth slightly different this game (look at my catchup post. I'm basically abandoning my "read-everything-and-respond" approach I've been taking recently for this game) and I'm surprised you wouldn't get any off notes from it

I have seen you do different stuff at the start of recent games. It doesn't freak me out the way it did the first time you didn't come into a game all srsface "watch me wall". This game was at about 8 pages when you parachuted in, and I could see that you were so excited thinking you'd spotted scum-GiF that you could hardly contain the excitement.

"based just on my push" is a vast oversimplification.

is that read on me exclusively yours or is it partly GIF's?

We're both townreading you.

also are you saying there's hardly any humor in any of your scumgames? I'd love to believe that but I'm reading GIF and he's 100% scum and I don't see why you wouldn't be able to fake it

There's very little humor in my scumgames. There's usually not a lot of humor in my town games either because mafia is serious business. But, some games are just fun right from the start and when that happens and I'm town, I totally roll with it. The fun doesn't usually last in games, so you have to enjoy it while you can.

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UNVOTE:

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a near-universal scumread

In your dreams.

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Also @Metal Sonic

Hi there! It's GIF!
Your hydra partner told me that you are town as shit.
I'm town too!
Together, we're gonna wreck some scum just like we did in huntersXhunters and perpetual mylo
You up for it?

Hi GIF!

yes that would be great. would love to wreck scum with you too! <3

ok there is 1 problem. my hydra partner told me you are scum as shit.

unless i can be sure that you're town I will have to defer/listen to the 100% town (my partner)

hehe gifscum in xenoblade heheh

also hi ffery ~

Or you can just townread me and be all smug on your partner later for being right.

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Also I think kat is town and I'm gonna talk to fery about it later.

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All I need is 8 solid townreads in this game and I'm getting close to that number.

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Nah. That slot is town as shit due to pieguy.

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Well, the story wise, it is 2 years after Nick's disbarment, so it's the point where Klavier Gavin is considered as an enemy of Nick when he is shown as a good guy in Apollo Justice, for one of the example.
It probably just mean that the game isn't breakable by flavor.

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I'm here, catching up.

~p

How's this coming along?

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dildo

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I say candiejack is really scum

Is this MS-head?

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Ok, talk to me about your candlejack read. Why are they scum?

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the dildo creature is almost making me hate where this wrathwagon is going

This is so going to NCQ thread.

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Ok, talk to me about your candlejack read. Why are they scum?

Super artificial. Manufactured reads and extremely waffle/noncommited reads or comments

That's what I Get from skimming his posts and I'll do a quick ISO at home because a few posts only

Bleeding scum from my initial read of his posts in thread. And you're getting linked associatively

My heart is as town as the driven snow. Your associatives don't scare me.

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Now that I properly read the entire thread in srs mood, I have a short readlist.

Disclaimer

This post is dedicated to certain hydra who said GIF's towngame is effortless and broke his heart.
That certain hydra will take this poorly formatted readlist

to their knees

and observe how GIF town can effort too.
Also it would be a lie if I said I wrote this alone.
This post is composed of 90% GIF post and 10% fery post.

1. Sound of Silence

Obvious fourth party. Must be lynched immediately.

Unfortunately, an enormous spider did not crawl on GIF's face last night. What a shame.
GIF was ready to destroy every last bit of remaining pieguy's confidence left for mafia games, but unfortunately, pieguy quickly switched the tunnel's focus to fery instead. That's also a shame.
In this game, GIF is planning to destroy everyone's sanity in this game one way or another, but with benevolent purpose. Y'all won't see it coming when GIF decides to break your every last bit of sanity. You are warned.

2. Bertkerberos

GIF trolled and aggravated him enough to make him scumread me for trolling alone. That was a payback for what Bert did to GIF during Micro Popcorn II.
Since I'm in serious mood right now, I guess I can tell y'all why I called off the obvious lie detector thingy: That was because Bert made an excuse for his absence. Early-day-fake-guilty gambit can only net two responses: scum response and null response. The moment he made an excuse for his absense to respond, I had no reason to continue because the responses afterwards could be faked easily as scum as well.
Anyway, this guy is town. The reason was already explained, but I will restate it again. Still, it's gonna be hard to understand for the people who haven't played with Bert a lot.
Bert's paranoia about ffery basically knows no bounds. The trick is discerning his shallow fake paranoia from the real deal. It's also encouraging that he's not defaulting to a ffery read but is finding reasons to think that GiF is scum, too. ffery expects Nacho to show up and tell Bert he's being dumb. If that doesn't happen then we dayvig them.

3. Misaka Network

Marvin Grossberg can't be scum thus he is town.
Joke aside, I'm not really sure on these people. His callout on beastcharizard at post #127 didn't feel opportunistic to me. His back and forth with beast isn't very alignment indicative because it was already a heavily one-sided argument. His timing of "mulling over" isn't really alignment indicative either.
Also, needs more Gaiden in that slot.
At this stage, null.

4. Doduo

He claims that he crumbed his alignment in his second post. I looked at it. It said "squawk."
So, all I can do is trusting my logic to solve this mystery. So Duduo is widely known as scumbird. And scumbird squawks. Since his second post was "squawk", it must mean he is a scumbird...
Which is... aligned with "scum".
I think I just solved this mystery. He must be scum!
TL;DR - Squawk.

5. Candle Jack

His analysis of KingdomAce's and BeastCharizard's posts looked pretty town. Also liked that he saw right through our play (Unlike certain hydra we love oh so much). One thing that really stood out to me was his beastcharizard read. That was IMO an easy lynch (and likely mislynch) brewing. Pointing out that not knowing the number of scum in the game was far more likely to be town than scum effectively (or should effectively) derails that as an easy lynch. Also liked the conviction and pushing in general.
The only concern I have would be latching on someone to attack abruptly.

6. Wrathchild

His play has a vintage look to it, but also something of a newb look. Metadive needs to happen. Most his posts come off genuine and unconcerned about appearances. Also his attack on PV based on the previous games he mentioned is hilariously town, although it's a shame that we can't really verify the "other" games unless links. I'm thinking town.

7. KingdomAces

At first, didn't really like the timing with his post about the flavor claiming and fakeclaiming, because that's what I was doing and seemed like he was trying to break the reaction test on Bert at that stage. So I trolled him by messing with a flavor claim. I kinda liked his reaction to that. Setup spec is null. Skipping that parts. But what he said in end of post #34 was pretty town. I can't disagree that his comment on us trolling was off.
Anyway, answer for the Duduo vote. It was an evocation vote. It is meant to be out of place.
Currently too focused on the setup. But he is trying hard. I think with KA this is kinda town. sitting at null-town atm.

8. DrunkenLies

ETL's townread of us seemed too quick and easy, and maybe too superficial to ffery given their past games. ETL has never been in one of the games where ffery goofed off during the first few pages of a game. The wrathchild vote also seemed superficial.
Her attacks on KA in post 117 kinda bothers me because of that one comment about his post-something discussion being useless noises, when KA himself realized it and stopped himself already. Also, reading KA scummy for speculating the blatantly wrong thing while at the same time, giving BC a BoD for doing basically the same thing: speculating the blatantly wrong thing.
Also, I can't bring myself to townread ETL when she blatantly dissed my towngame :<
However, besides what I said earlier, I do like ETL's poke and prodding, even though some of them looks off (for example, asking why KA/CJ are "cross"voting each other seems like trying to add a wrong image to something that has no relevance)
Sadly I can't conftown ETL with her post 126 because she quoted the OP instead of making comparison with her role PM instead.
Anyway, GIF has a light-medium townread on them.

9. PeregrineV

null-scum, but really I never know with him. One thing that stood out was his calling a player "scummy" rather than "scum".
GIF thinks PV is town because gut.

10. Endless Possibilities

At first, felt really town with the intro post. Excitement about scumreading someone is always a plus and a strong towntell. However, there's one thing that gets to me, and that is... being too quick to switch target. pie enters the game with a super-ultra conviction of "OMG GIF IS SCUM LOLOL U SO DEAD THIS GAME" (I think it's hilariously wrong but hey, it's a personal opinion and all.) But then, he quickly transitions from "GIF SCUM" to "fery's scum because GIF scum" to just scumreading off of fery's posts instead of my posts, as can be evidenced by his misassumption on some of GIF's posts. I found that weird. Too weird to make me think that the intro post was some sort of reaction test, which is kinda disappointing bc I was kinda looking forward to it.
I still have a townread on that slot. A strong one too. But it's not as strong as I initially had on their slot, which was "god-tiered townread".
Oh also, I can't really put someone on god-tiered townread who seems to be a BDS-
(fery punches GIF at this point)
One of the other reason why I can't put EP in god-tiered townread is because of Metal Sonic. As Metal Sonic goes, he's lacking his usual carefreeness. Wonder why. It bothers me. I'm not one of those people who automatically scumreads Metal Sonic. And yet his different attitude bothers me. And yet, it doesn't warrant enough paranoia to turn my read on them, for there could be many reasons behind such thing.

11. Antihero

At first, we were like "wtf" on this slot. Two weak townreads on his scumread and... he starts flipping out. It's definitely an overreaction. And that's where the wtf came from. My brain went short and couldn't think of either motivation of that over-reaction. It was out of place. But where did it came from? In the end, decided to put that as "lolexcited". So he's basically town to us with similar reason as EP.

12. Sakura Hana

Her posts are empty. Empty of contents, empty of emotions, and empty of any sort of drive. Enough to put her in the mild-scum territory. But it's not definitive. I guess it all depends on what she posts after "reading the game."

13. beastcharizard

Beast often comes off like a VI, especially early in the game before he finds his footing. I agree with Candle Jack that his not putting the pieces together about the number of scum looks more like something town would mess up. Scum know who their buddies are.
This guy is confirmed town if there's a nightkill. We deal with him Day 2.
#98 rings town, even though I hate the textbook plays.
#103 is also town for transparency.

14. Katsuki

Didn't post much. Being lazy. That's about all the opinion I have on that person. ffery says katsuki will tunnel whoever scumreads him first.

15. Katarina Leblanc

The undercurrents from other sites' meta are confusing. Overall, for meta reasons I feel like if she's town she'll be impressively town before long. 　＃284 is townish.

8 strong townreads needed to power this to a town win. Right now we have:

TOWNTOWNTOWN (Quite Townish)
Bertkerberos
Antihero
Candle Jack
beastcharizard

Not Quite TOWNTOWNTOWN (0.75 Town)
Endless Possibilities

Town (Probably Town)
Wrathchild
Drunken Lies
Katarina LeBlanc
Kingdom Aces

Maybe Town (Null zone starts here)
Misaka Network
duduo
PeregrineV
Katsuki

Not So Town (Pretty sure this is scum)
Sakura Hana

(not a seriatim nor completely solid list)

We're not really satisfied with the scumpool at this point. We think some of the reads could be wrong and some of them probably are. But then, lol 15 pages.

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Oh I forgot this.

VOTE: Sakura hana

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GIF/FFery, your read on my slot is shit

fix pls

But my read on you is "squawk."
It's a perfect read.

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Are you sure?
Because last time I heard, it was scum who quacks.

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GIF, what's the letter after S? The letter 2 before Q? the letter 2 after U? The letter 13 after A? The letter 14 before w? The letter 6 before k?

D.
O.
O.
G.
I.
S.

So you claim doogis?

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(expired on 2014-03-08 00:53:00)

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I named Doduo "Town" and brought him to the name rater. He suggested that I get a better name for Doduo. So I renamed him to "Doogis".

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SoS, why are you opposed to a Drunken Lies wagon?

quack

Yeah we wrote that reads list purely for our own amusement.

Look at the bottom of 365. There are 5 players we're more interested in lynching than DL right now. Our vote is on our personal favorite.

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notsci this is ffery telling you that I think you're on a shit wagon. You would look a hell of a lot more town to me if you were doing something more useful.

Why are you even asking me about Drunken Lies?

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I think doduo is performing wondrously by pushing wrathchild.

6. Wrathchild

His play has a vintage look to it, but also something of a newb look. Metadive needs to happen. Most his posts come off genuine and

unconcerned about appearances.

Also his attack on PV based on the previous games he mentioned is hilariously town, although it's a shame that we can't really verify the "other" games unless links. I'm thinking town.

Italics are mine. You might want to update your reads SoS, because WC definitely cares about his appearances, and is very interested in getting the votes off of him as fast as possible.
His exchange with EP and posts like the one below I quoted really points demonstrate this point perfectly.

Everyone voting me without a case is an idiot. If you have no case on me. Kindly remove your votes. I will be happy to address questions or concerns in exchange. I am at L-3.

Interestingly enough, you had a town read on wrathchild entire game, from posts 119 (gut town), 365 (town), and 417 (Doduo, unvote him plz).

I don't really understand how you went from soft-defending wc to telling people to straight up unvote him. Is it because you're his buddy and his wagon began to pick up pace?

There is a certain kind of distress under pressure that I am really sensitive to in mafia, mostly due to the environments where I learned mafia.

I ISO'd WC and I see him waffling between KA and BC early on, expands on BC's case, attacks PereV using meta, and then never mentions BC again. Instead, when his wagon started to pick up, he began to devote more and more posts in defending himself. I think he's more interested in self survival and maintaining an image instead of actual scumhunting.

That tends to happen when the pressure rises. It becomes more and more difficult to scumhunt when your focus necessarily changes to defense.

What do you make of duduo asking us about Drunken Lies given where their vote lies?

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What do you make of duduo asking us about Drunken Lies given where their vote lies?

D'awwwwwww~

Doduo's pretending to scumhunt by asking questions about random people. It's so cute. ^^

Although, I don't see why you're asking me about why VIs do things. Perhaps your question was directed to Gaiden?

You asked me why I called out duduo on that wagon. My question is your answer.

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Since when are we voting wrath

Wrathchild (5): PeregrineV, Misaka Network, Antihero, Drunken Lies, Doduo

You aren't?

I hate your readslist btw

Then talk to us about it.

Etl doesn't sound like town etl

What does town ETL sound like to you? There is a little paranoia sprinkled on that particular read.

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I hate your readslist btw

You don't get it do you?
That readlist is not meant to be liked or hated.
It is a giant "screw you certain hydra" post that is meant to give eye sores to whoever reads that short story.
Now that's out of the way, what do you hate about it?

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Wrathchild (6): PeregrineV, Misaka Network, Antihero, Drunken Lies, Doduo, Katarina Leblanc

VOTE: Doduo

How does it feel like having 2 QTs

Objection!

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(expired on 2014-03-08 00:53:00)

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Reasoning for the EP vote would be good.

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I didn't want to feed you the CJ stuff.

As far as EP interacting with you, it's notable but in my last few games with him, his day 1 has varied quite a bit as town. I think your meta may be stale.

Also, we have issues with them beyond metal sonic. Your catch up didn't focus too much on our reads list, I guess.

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You're welcome to think whatever you like.

And I explained why pieguy not jumping on you this game (not to mention when he's jumping us instead) doesn't raise the flag to us that it apparently does to you. There's other stuff about their play that concerns us.

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I haven't read that game. I'll add it to my list.

But town-Pie starting slow lately is also a thing. And I have a vague idea of his around-MS time due to hydraing with him.

But, given my current read on EP I'm not so much concerned that's where you vote is as wanting to understand the reasons why.

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He has an amazing GiF tell, too. :/

Anyway, your posts would be pretty cool and town-looking to me, especially your suspicion of us, except for that newbie game where you forgot to sort me as scum. Bar's raised.

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Reasoning for the EP vote would be good.

Guess my FoS is well founded then, you'd be the person i'd expect the least to question my vote, that's why i didn't go ahead and explain immediately.

When pieguy asked me for my read on CJ I said Town, he asked why, and i said because I saw town motivation on his posts, despite never having read his posts at all, he never followed up on his questioning, for someone that says he can read me like a book and found a great tell that would catch me easily, for someone that caught me in AA off my interactions with him, he never continued engaging with me, i called him out on it shortly after i said i would read the thread in less than 48 hours and he seems to mostly been ignoring me or avoiding me.

The FoS on you is because you have played quite a few times with pieguyn as well, and havent pegged him on his lack of interactions with me to try to sort me out, instead you're losing your townread based on metal sonic which while i totally understand it, i'm surprised you haven't sorted this detail with pieguy, at least during the time that i was supposed to take to read the thread.

Sakura: Who wants free cookie?!
SoS: Me!
Sakura: HA! You're the last person who would ask for it! Scum!



(Who denies free food?)

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He has an amazing GiF tell, too. :/

Anyway, your posts would be pretty cool and town-looking to me, especially your suspicion of us, except for that newbie game where you forgot to sort me as scum. Bar's raised.

He has amazing tells for just about anyone who played with him lol

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Bar's raised.

That's expected, but how come you haven't gone as far as truly trying to sort me out then, instead of making me be the one starting the interactions with you, you just dispatched me as scum you haven't asked me any questions, and instead have only answered what I've asked.

You said you'd be back in 48 hours. Your posts prior to this have been so empty that there's been nothing to even poke at.

You come back, I asked you to explain your naked vote. Convo ensues.

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But town-Pie starting slow lately is also a thing. And I have a vague idea of his around-MS time due to hydraing with him.

If I find out it's not site-wide then we'll have words.

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You come back, I asked you to explain your naked vote. Convo ensues.

But you didnt ask anything else so far.

Not yet. You're leading the dance right now.

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You come back, I asked you to explain your naked vote. Convo ensues.

But you didnt ask anything else so far.

But you didnt do anything else that worth asking.

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My answers are always better.

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is this ffery?

We're both posting. Which post are you specifically asking about?

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Dead.

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"No meta thus no read" is a lame excuse.

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Did you read the readlist?
I said everything I wanted to say about that slot in there.

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Enthusiasm

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Which was explained in literally the second sentence of that section

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Which was explained in literally the second sentence of that section

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But town-Pie starting slow lately is also a thing. And I have a vague idea of his around-MS time due to hydraing with him.

I was actually asking for meta evidence on this.

Enthusiasm

So is it slow or enthusiastic, make up your mind.

TNE's open, Team 9.
Both.

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There's only one TNE open so you're in luck!

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So apparently pieguy made most of the posts in the hydra, so i dont see the similarities?

lolno
I literally carried that hydra

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On another note, im glad you're getting paranoid of me because of that newbie game, that means my scum game is getting closer to my town game

You're not talking to fery btw

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I was Cirno.
Pie was mystia.

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And lilac was Rumia.
I don't remember him posting though

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They were being lazy.
I covered for them.

P-Edit: I picked it up after 7p mistakes upick

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Also I'm pretty sure I clarified who signed which in that game

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They were being lazy.
I covered for them.

P-Edit: I picked it up after 7p mistakes upick

didn't you call him tsukass in perpetual mylo? Somebody did. It confused me.

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Wait he wasn't on perpetual mylo, WTF

He was hydraing with mara

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Speaking of which he should have a scummy banner too

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Anyway tho, i don't see pieguy being "slow" tho, at least he did something here and then ran, in there he didn't even do anything until later.

That was the beginning.
These days he's pretty slump about mafia games after zmuffinman broke him to pieces.

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It was Mara who first called him tsukasa in that game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5167994

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It was Mara who first called him tsukasa in that game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5167994

That wasn't mara lol

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Do something.

VOTE: Bertkerberos

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Nacho and Pie need to post more in their hydras. Pie because it will make reading that slot easier, and Nacho because Nacho.

Vote: Piedra

Is this nacho or bert emulating nacho?

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Things I don't like about the readslist-

1) The read ons us (I'm seriously going to keep saying this even if we're in lylo together

before I vote you two because I know if I'm in lylo with ffery she's scum

.

We fully expect the read on you to change if you're town. I feel like we're both decent at figuring you out (though I've recently struck out a couple times so back atcha re LYLO). GiF's approach to reading you is more proactive than mine, but I fully approve.

2) The read on DL. It's missing anything from Guyett and is solely focused on ETL (granted ETL's who I'm going to be focusing on). I just don't see where you're getting any yeal townread off of what ETL's done yet and it bugs the shit out of me

The DL read is going seriously stale at this point. If I had two votes, either they or EP would have the second one.

3) The read on Katarina. We both just played with Katarina in 295 GIF, and Marquis should be able to read her decently. While I don't disagree persay, I just feel like it's bleh compared to the rest (granted it could be due to lollastreadlaziness) but it just feels like it was tacked on/you had something longer there and backspaced through it all.

Are you talking about our read here? I'm confused because you mention Marquis. I don't have any completed games with her, but based on the very little bit of meta I've seen, I expect her to be really really town if she's town. I'm not seeing that yet.

4) The read on antihero- I don't really get how enthusiasm=town but whatever. I'm just having issue finding anything really town about him

From meta, there are some things I look for in his town game. I'm not seeing them yet.

So from your list, I share some of your DL concerns, and am a little worried about Katarina. And I raise you EP and nachobert.

Overall, the level of effort being put into this game by some players I expect more from worries me given the stage of the game day.

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From meta, there are some things I look for in his town game. I'm not seeing them yet.

Should read "there are some things I look for in his scum game"

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1) Yeah I've been town for about pages now so

That post of yours I responded to is the first one that's really given me a strong town sense, so maybe not as much as you think.

2) I still don't know why we're voting WC but I assume marquis has his reasons so meh, but I really want to wagon DL if the WC wagon falls through

Be the change you want to see.

3) It's a little bit of your read just being kinda bleh and short there (like it felt like the kinda text where you have this long text and you're like nah then delete it for something short). I agree with the "she'll look town after too long" bit, however I'm not seeing any glimpses of it yet which worries me.

That was one of the bits that I mostly wrote, and IMO it's a masterpiece.

4)I can take that, and I agree regarding EP. Nahcobert's kinda iffy though, I don't really know their hydra dynamic too well anymore.

So you think the level of activity from bert could be reasonable?

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That was ffery, though GiF agrees. The timing was quite good if Nacho is going to play this game. And the timing coincided with our upgrading our Sakura read.

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beastcharizard continues to look town to us. Katarina's town factor has risen a little.

EP, nachobert, and maybe DL aren't looking so great.

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Not GiF but yes.

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um

what

How is Kat looking town to you

She stopped trolling and started visibly analyzing. That's an improvement.

Beast feels kinda awkward and I'm trying to figure if it's scum-awkward or town-awkward

Take it in the context of all his play. He looks pretty town.

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I think nacho was just trolling and misaka thought into it too much.

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And no, I'm not grossberg.

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Also strongly dislike how ffery ignored my readout entirely
Like, why isn't anyone voting candiejack

start looking town and we'll talk.

candle jack lynch is a no go atm. they look more town than you guys do.

fucking had to in to this account on my phone I hope you're happy.

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ms posts look sketchy and gif noted that pieguys read got weird. check our reads list wall for details.

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and yeah push disappeared p much.

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@SOS - So you're acknowledging you're not his Mason buddy o3o

Answer this, SoS.

If it wasn't obvious already, I'm not his mason bud.

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I read back on http://aceattorney.wikia.com/wiki/Klavier_Gavin to see what would make him say he was, or if mannerisms that Bert showed matched Gavin was similar to the "claim" but I got nothing.

I finally beat Apollo Justice and made Klavier one of my fav AA characters the day before that. Also I used that name specifically to troll KA because I thought Klavier was very unlikely to show up in this game based on the theme's timeline.

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(Also even though I don't doubt Misaka's claim, I can't see the connection between Grossberg and Klavier though)

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If I'm right on all 4 of them you guys buymechocolates after this game ok?

And if you're wrong on any of them you buy all of those 4 names a pizza. Sounds like a good deal.

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(Also even though I don't doubt Misaka's claim, I can't see the connection between Grossberg and Klavier though)

Did you read the OP 'flavor knowledge can mislead you'

Bad excuse. Doesn't detract from the validity of misakas claim

As I said, I don't doubt the claim.
I just wanna know the story connection in this game.

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With me being a flavor expert?

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Put yourself into scum's mindset who wants to fakeclaim.
Now would you want to fakeclaim with outrageous connections or fakeclaim with connections that actually makes sense?

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Hey nacho you dumbass come talk to me about reads.

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I don't get why its so hard to lynch WC though.

Because he's like confirmed town maybe

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I don't get why its so hard to lynch WC though.

ffs

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I don't get why its so hard to lynch WC though.

ffs

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To go further,

town has no direction right now.
It clearly did during the WC wagon
Scum don't want that lynch to happen
He's prob scum

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Are you counterclaiming him?

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I honestly don't know what to comment anymore on the whole Misaka situation but I'm a bit disappointed no one is voting Endless Possibilities for that scummy play. I really don't like where the pressure is being applied right now considering we've all just been scurrying about aesthetics.

I don't see scum motivation for Misaka counter claiming, but I do want to know more about his claim because I don't know flavor or what being an informed townie does about having flavor.

P. edit: Why would it suddenly take a dip on flavor. I don't think the host would do justice to the material if it'd automatically expose scumteams.

The Misaka claim situation is not very comforting. And it interplays with my sense that some of their early play looked scummy.

Re Nacho's mason fake claim, as GiF already indicated it's fake and I'm wondering if there was a town mindset behind the gambit. If I were to go along with another player's gambit, Nacho is one of about maybe 3 players I'd give serious consideration if I had some sort of townread going.

Overall, I'm kinda thinking they're town for it.

UNVOTE

I want to catch up with GiF before putting our vote back down. I'm not impressed with Peregrine, but GiF has or had a gut-town read. We'll probably vote either EP or Mikasa after a catch up.

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I'll add DL to our pile to discuss, so who knows? maybe before day 1 part 2.

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So we essentially get three mislynches. I feel like there is a valid case for berts townhood, but he is also an extreme liability late game because of this stunt. I know what this sounds like but its something my role allows me to do. Does burt need to die now? Do we get it out of the way now or later? He can't be around at end game though.

Bump. This is a serious issue. I want some feedback.

We're not policying nachobert.

They do need to be sorted, though. That's a priority about which the gambit or fake-gambit or whatever is completely irrelevant.

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lol keep reading and tell me meta isn't a thing.

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6. Wrathchild

His play has a vintage look to it, but also something of a newb look. Metadive needs to happen. Most his posts come off genuine and unconcerned about appearances. Also his attack on PV based on the previous games he mentioned is hilariously town, although it's a shame that we can't really verify the "other" games unless links. I'm thinking town.

I was through part of the meta dive when he claimed yesterday. Spent the day at the tech museum or I would have finished and posted my findings.

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That has to be ffery. What did you find?

That his town game a year or so ago wasn't significantly different from what we see here. Hadn't analyzed his scum game yet.

But, it's irrelevant because he claimed Phoenix Wright.

Phoenix Wright is aligned with the Town.

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We can't quote posts?

for reals?

wow.

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VOTE: EP

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Which sounds kinda more like stubborn town than scum knowing they're pushing a likely impossible mislynch.

Especially since ETL said she's not counterclaiming you.

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Or it could be telling you, that I've been the main vote leader all day and it seems like the easiest lynch for scum to push coming in late in the game.

Vote: DL

Jeez you're dense

What kind of scum would fakeclaim a IC mason
Like seriously

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That quote is irrelavant btw

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Dense as in stubborn
We all know I don't call someone stupid

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English is my second language so I'm excused!

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(Speaking of which, I wonder why the word dense, which sounds like something is full, is depicted as "stupid" instead of "stubborn", which would make more sense)

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SoS if pie is scum im going to hate you for making me feel bad for him after whatever happened with zmuffinman.

What are you talking about?

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Why are you townreading KA again SoS?

I'm a bit distracted by the fact someone can have the audacity to call me scum

Our reads list is in 365. Haven't tried to update it wholesale but maybe we'll get to that tonight.

KA is spending a lot of time griping about other players cluttering up the thread, which looks protown and all, but this thread isn't moving all that fast most of the time, and griping about posting rate isn't scumhunting.

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Did you claim this already?

UNVOTE

while we talk about this.

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Marquis why are you listening to Hannah she's scum af you have seen this in greater idea


Wrath child in all honesty your play could be improved. When I asked for your thoughts on candle jack you said that you needed a computer but then you posted a very unsatisfactory read or opinion on him. That was just an example. It's likely that scum were on your wagon, but I can see how some town players read you scum as well. Anyway I don't think you should've pushing drunken lies, go take a look at candle jack who is pushing KA obv town or nachobert who got counter claimed




The main reason why I delayed my claiming because it's entirely possible that fferygif + nachobert can overpower us two as scum and push us to a lynch easily. Especially considering Sakura being lame and voting me because 'lol who is scum' I can totally see that happening

If you're not scum, then the last thing I want to do is vote you.

MS has not impressed me. He usually comes off pretty town to me when he's town. There are exceptions, like the Death's Diner game.

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Did you claim this already?

UNVOTE

while we talk about this.

If gif actually allowed that vote to pass through then I'm not trusting your slot ever this game

I'm trusting my partners 'amazing gif scumreads' because conftown

GiF placed that vote. you can tell who votes based on vote tags vs hide tags.

The reason he placed it is because this is sounding more and more like it's too townsided as we go.

Two mod confirmed town roles in post 4. Wrath says they're also masons. Now two more confirmed to each other roles.

But. Not alignment confirmed. Correct?

I'm really really reluctant to follow setup spec too much, especially if it doesn't agree with my reads. So if you're town then ffs please

be

town. Having the right wincon isn't enough.

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not hide tags. bold tags.

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hanna = katarina?

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Ok so you didn't claim that before? Did you crumb it?

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not that the timing matters all that much, but GiF voted you before you claimed so your outrage is a little meh.

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Tell Pie I want to talk to him. One of the reasons GiF voted you was because pie was posting elsewhere on the site and he wanted to get pie's attention.

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Scum SOS lurks like hell though.
That should be enough of fery-scum

Also regarding PL, I quote this:

If GIF was pushing for real policy lynch, you wouldn't have noticed it because he disguises it as lynching his scumread just like he did it in Newbie 1417.

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Also if you have seen GIF scum before you should be townreading the hell out of our slot right now.

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not that the timing matters all that much, but GiF voted you before you claimed so your outrage is a little meh.

The outrage is because your slot is sneakily dropping your town read on us into scumread extremely subtly . I don't have to claim to be expected to be read town by you guys, without my claim I should still be a town read because both your slots should be aware that this is my normal posting style. For you to claim or think otherwise just insinuates that you are scum and know that I have been lynchbait in past game as well and take advantage of this.


I have seen gif scum before buy never ffery scum but meh the pieguys's amazing scum read still stands

Hey well you're getting a chance to bring the read up here. You also misread me in the Diner game if you recall.

And pieguy is going to be sadly disappointed in his super duper tell this game.

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This is ffery.

I don't know what newbie game you're talking about. Though I have meta'd his one scum game on site. Which was a newbie.

I read him by how close he plays to his town meta. And it's not that close atm. Though it may have to do with all the talk about how people play on some other site.

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Unvote
Vote: SoS

GiF this is the same MS from that one newbie game how can you not see that.

Also is there some reason you want to cut off our sorting each other? I unvoted. We're talking. Don't mess with it.

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ffery head is semi v/la until sometime Thursday

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>Acceptable lynch
>on IC mason

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If duduo can spam, I can spam too.

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ok then I'll take the pagetop.

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maybe

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NACHO!

I think tablet on plane is one of the most horrible web access experiences of my entire life.

I can't really review stuff right now because plane wifi is painfully slow.

So you think Katarina?

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Wait, ffery, how many townreads do I need for victory?

8 fypov if you're town (now 7).
You're allowed to be wrong on one of them.

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Well 6 beacuse IC.

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VOTE: Katarina

We thought 8 reads, Nacho. We had either 5 or 6 earlier. I think 6. I can check our lists later.

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OMGUS in page 45 is a quality play.

VOTE: DL

Poke

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OMGUS in page 45 is a quality play.

VOTE: DL

Poke

Missed our vote

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Who is Sebbie?

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And since you are quite unabashed about not catching up, you either are unaware of BC's townslip or you are pretending to be.

hm.

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Nacho do you think a vote that counts triple sounds like a scum day ability?