Private Topics Discussion (Now with Mish Mash)

[tn5421]

Seems like numbering your roles and then rolling something crazy like 5d100 for each player would be the easiest way to sort players. Highest score gets lowest number. If there is a tie roll 1d100 for tied members and follow higher roll number = lower role number.

[tn5421]

I've figured out how I will eventually run games, based on this thread. Each role and player will be assigned a number.

Example setup with 5p vengeful:

1. Townie
2. Godfather
3. Townie
4. Mafia Goon
5. Townie

Also assign players a number, based on signup number:

6. player1
7. player2
8. player3
9. player4
10. player5

Then roll dice (7d20 being my personal preference)
Role Rolls:

1.

Original Roll String: 7d20

7 20-Sided Dice: (7, 19, 5, 8, 17, 8, 1) = 65

2.

Original Roll String: 7d20

7 20-Sided Dice: (11, 12, 3, 18, 1, 20, 1) = 66

3.

Original Roll String: 7d20

7 20-Sided Dice: (1, 19, 6, 3, 11, 13, 2) = 55

4.

Original Roll String: 7d20

7 20-Sided Dice: (4, 19, 15, 16, 20, 4, 11) = 89

5.

Original Roll String: 7d20

7 20-Sided Dice: (9, 9, 12, 2, 19, 20, 9) = 80

Sort highest number to lowest number.
Then roll your players:

6.

Original Roll String: 7d20

7 20-Sided Dice: (12, 13, 20, 14, 3, 2, 15) = 79

7.

Original Roll String: 7d20

7 20-Sided Dice: (19, 15, 15, 19, 13, 12, 8) = 101

8.

Original Roll String: 7d20

7 20-Sided Dice: (12, 15, 8, 3, 4, 7, 20) = 69

9.

Original Roll String: 7d20

7 20-Sided Dice: (6, 5, 3, 11, 11, 4, 9) = 49

10.

Original Roll String: 7d20

7 20-Sided Dice: (6, 3, 18, 13, 5, 7, 2) = 54

Do the same with these. The highest number roll player side will get the role the rolled the highest on the step before.

[tn5421]

For my example above, the order of roles would be:

3, 4, 1, 2. 5.

The order of players would be:
7, 6, 8, 10, 9.

Therefore:

Townies: player2, player3, player4

Mafia: player1, player5

If there is anything statistically wrong with this setup, or you don't feel that it generates enough randomness, I am willing to take suggestions.

Edit: I apologize for the double post but i needed unmodified rolls to make my example

[tn5421]

I feel that randomizing the order of the role, randomizing the order of the players, and putting together results in better randomization than simply randomizing one or the other. Why do you feel that it isn't worth the effort?

[tn5421]

How can something be more random? It's either random or it's not.

You randomize both sides of the table instead of just one and more possibilities open up. This is more noticeable in games that have more than 5 participants, I only used that size to keep my post size from becoming needlessly large. There are only 20 or so possibilities in my setup if you do not randomize one side.

[tn5421]

I feel that randomizing the order of the role, randomizing the order of the players, and putting together results in better randomization than simply randomizing one or the other. Why do you feel that it isn't worth the effort?

Just use random.org and screencap it?

I could generate 100 random.orgs and screencap the one that I liked best.

When it comes down to it, at some level you do have to trust the mod to be honest about what they're doing.

It doesn't matter how many mechanisms of verification you put in place. You still have to trust that the mod is not interested in pulling one over on you.

oh it wasn't that i don't trust the listmods. I do. I just meant alternate people like reviewers. I just think that the listmods aren't going to want to do dozens of generations.

And yes, at a certain point, you do. But total blind trust isn't necessary and won't happen.

Just use random.org and screencap it?

I could generate 100 random.orgs and screencap the one that I liked best.

This is why I didn't consider it. My setup is intended to perform 2 tasks. 1, use an acceptable method of provable randomness to assign roles. 2, ensure that tampering would be difficult to do. I intend to build a good reputation for myself from the word go (June 31st, my 3 month anniversary)

When it comes down to it, at some level you do have to trust the mod to be honest about what they're doing.

It doesn't matter how many mechanisms of verification you put in place. You still have to trust that the mod is not interested in pulling one over on you.

Have you ever heard the phrase "Trust, but verify"? Because it fits this situation.

But total blind trust isn't necessary and won't happen.

This also fits with what i said above.


If anyone can suggest a better way to achieve my 2 goals, then please let me know.

[tn5421]

Richard, why exactly is too many scum next to each other in the playerlist undesirable?

I know you didn't ask me this question, but I'll still answer anyway. If you disregard randomness for any reason whatsoever the game starts to become 'outguess the mod'.

Edit: Richard doesn't feel that having players next to each other is random enough.

[tn5421]

I'm saying that whether nor not a game is 100% verifiably random is WAY less important than about seventeen other factors that make for a good or bad game. Some of which are mod-based, some of which are player-based.

I'm pretty sure inviting this level of outguessing the mod is bad bad bad

I don't think anyone stated that it was the most important thing, or even high on anyone's priorities. But it is something one should be mindful of.

[tn5421]

All I'm seeing from Zachrulez for the last page or so is like "blah blah whine whine i have to ask for permission waaaaaaaaa". Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[tn5421]

All I'm seeing from Zachrulez for the last page or so is like "blah blah whine whine i have to ask for permission waaaaaaaaa". Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

This is flamebait. If anyone can tell me how this post actually contributed anything to the thread except attempting get me more upset, I'd like to hear it.

Your entire argument is you crying about being 'forced' to participate in a

voluntary

system with suitable alternatives exist and otherwise bitching and griping about non-factors, and not being trusted,

and oh god you're expected to be

social

on a website for an extremely social game

.

Zach, let me say it again: if you take any action against a player for bringing something to the listmods' attention, you are likely to have the privilege of moderating revoked.

Honestly what I'm worried about here is taking action against a player for breaking game rules and my action being interpreted as retaliation. (Which is how Faraday seemed to interpret my resolve to take action in the example I laid out.)

Maybe because that is EXACTLY what you said you would do. I'm done talking to you.

[tn5421]

You need to re-read 232 Burning_Earth.

[tn5421]

We really need a way to transfer/share PT ownership.

Game Mods flake, or co-mods need access, or...

Isn't this solved if one were to give PT access to their backup/co-mods prior to the start of the game?

My understanding is that the co-mod can't receive access to add others without listmod or higher intervention.