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In post 112, Wickedestjr wrote:I don't like the snscompt bandwagon. I have a town read on him based on his reactions to the pressure. There was nothing suspicious about his reinoe vote and I can relate to his statement that he gets lynched often as town but doesn't as scum (if it's true). Given that I'm also someone that is frequently mislynched as town, I think his response to votes is similar and genuine. While I side with snscompt here, I will admit that his vote for reinoe was bad - if he self hammers why can't you see him self voting in RVS? People do it all the time and I would say self hammering is stranger than RVS self voting. The vote is bad, but snscompt isn't suspicious.
I like this post. My thoughts. snscompt's reaction seems very genuine to me. I don't see what's so scummy about one "bad vote". The wagon is silly.
I don't like bjc's playing so far. Seems like just a bunch of contentless reaction tests. Having only two posts in this game so far myself, I'm no one to be calling people out on their activity. But man, get some more content in. I should note that this isn't necessarily a scum-tell, I just don't like his play.
bjc wrote:Votes need to be on:
-bins
-shaded
-paschendale or whatever
Those are where votes need to be right now. Preferably bins or pasch.
I don't see any of these... care to explain?- The Bulge
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Real quick from this page alone...
In post 210, snscompt1 wrote:Hm. Fuzzy isn't a werewolf unless he's playing dumb. Fuzzy, there are two werewolves and three mafia in this game..
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In post 216, fuzzybutternut wrote:Well, I meant that we can possibly catch scum and a werewolf today. I find it very unlikely that we will find all 3 scum and both werewolves in one day, so I just decided to focus on one and one.
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In post 240, fuzzybutternut wrote:If I'm reading this right, that puts Pasch at L-2?
Pasch, you got some 'splanin to do.
I'm going to
UNVOTE:
as much as I hate to admit it, I think Maru is actually town.
Stupid, yes, but town nonetheless.
VOTE: The Bulge
I like this more.
>admits to lurking
>says he'll post more
>comes back with an explanatory post followed by a vote on the current wagon
Yeah...totes not town.
moar votes here please.
When did I say I had re-read? My vote may change after reading, but I wanted it on Pasch for now.
When I voted, Pasch had two votes on him. The big wagon happened after I voted, if you'll kindly look up a few posts.- The Bulge
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In post 244, Not_Mafia wrote:You added nothing to what BJC said, there's no way you can characterize your post as any better than Shaded's and SNS's
So I'm thinking Pasch and Bulge are on opposite scum teams
Oh Not_Mafia, you seem to have forgotten to mention your own little post. I suppose yours is alright then?
I never said mine was "any better". I'm simply wondering why they're not being targeted as sheep and I am.- The Bulge
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In post 247, Not_Mafia wrote:I didn't mention my post as being exactly the same as the others no
I think Fuzzy summed things up quite well
In post 240, fuzzybutternut wrote:VOTE: The Bulge
I like this more.
>admits to lurking
>says he'll post more
>comes back with an explanatory post followed by a vote on the current wagon
Ooou the suspense is killing me. Alright I'll bite. Why is your post different? Because you had an additional reason? Because you made the effort to quote one more post than the rest of us?- The Bulge
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It's not a reaction to the vote. I'm not targeting fuzzy. In fact, he seems town to me.- The Bulge
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In post 244, Not_Mafia wrote:You added nothing to what BJC said, there's no way you can characterize your post as any better than Shaded's and SNS's
So I'm thinking Pasch and Bulge are on opposite scum teams
You're the one who put them all in one boat. And I'm not dismissing fuzzy's read, i responded to it already. Pay attention.- The Bulge
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In post 286, snscompt1 wrote:In post 282, Bins wrote:He has one. He was scum in that one and replaced in on like iirc the last day.
Yeah but do you know his alt
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In post 292, reinoe wrote:In post 289, snscompt1 wrote:Pfft. Excuses.
I don't research meta on people. Ain't got time for dat.
Phone posting.
This is why you're scum. Your claim that I would never self-vote as town was a baseless fabrication. I really don't know what more I can do to convince people.
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In post 294, snscompt1 wrote:In post 292, reinoe wrote:In post 289, snscompt1 wrote:Pfft. Excuses.
I don't research meta on people. Ain't got time for dat.
Phone posting.
This is why you're scum. Your claim that I would never self-vote as town was a baseless fabrication. I really don't know what more I can do to convince people.
Lol IVE PLAYED WITH YOU. I dont do research meta. Doesnt mean I dont use meta. Heraderp. I am going to suggest you stop tunneling and just assume Im scum. Go after the other four for now since no one agrees with you.
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In post 317, fuzzybutternut wrote:Pasch is town. I can almost guarantee it. You, on the other hand, I believe are scum. So...no. Not really. The thing about this setup is that EVERYONE has to scum hunt to play to their win condition. Werewolves have to find and eliminate mafia in order to win. And vice versa. On day one, it doesn't matter who is on what wagon.
I CAN guarantee that I'm town. If you think my lynch gives the most information, fine. But I hope you're looking at all the possibilities and preparing to analyze a town flip. I'm clearly not the best at arguing or putting my thoughts into words, so nothing I say will stop this.- The Bulge
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In post 511, fuzzybutternut wrote:Reinoe? Interesting..
PR hunting, no doubt.
Or framing?
Thoughts on the NK everyone?
Nightkill analysis is crucial, obviously. Maybe not soooo much at this point, but whatever. To each his own. But this post looks awkward to me. Noting.
In post 525, Desperado wrote:Mynakedvote contains more content than 521.
Did you, like, do any of that overnight or what? Who is scum?
Ok cool, I get that you're making a point and calling out N_M. But you still need to explain the vote.
In post 527, Paschendale wrote:Despite them being by my scumreads, those last votes on Titus by Bulge and Bins didn't look very bussy. It's possible that the whole wagon was town.
@Mist: Can we get a final vote count for day 1?
Possible? Technically. But HIGHLY unlikely. I don't like this for some reason. Also noted.
In post 535, fuzzybutternut wrote:In post 528, Not_Mafia wrote:Why did your mind jump to a whole town wagon instead of thinking they're wolves? And do you honestly think a whole town wagon d1 is realistic in a 7-3-2? That would literally mean scum is everyone off the wagon.
NM makes a good point here. The likelihood of the entire wagon being town is slim to none.
I'd expect a 1-1-4 scenario if anything.
Now then, in no way, shape, or form, is analyzing a NK something scum does in thread. What would be the point of that? Voting me for that just shows that you're looking for a lynch without foundation. Find a good reason to vote me and then I'll acknowledge it a little more.
I don't like this defense either. It's sounds like forced passiveness, like "hey yea vote me, but you better have a good reason for it!"
Holding my vote for now. I want more content to look at.
@fuzzy - You asked everyone else for their thoughts on the NK but never provided yours. Why do you think reinoe was killed?
@Pasch - 1) What makes you so sure mine and Bins' votes weren't bussing Titus?
2) Do you think it is plausible that as a pair of werewolves we coordinated the hammer together?
@Desp - You acknowledge your vote as naked, but make no effort to "dress" it and instead just use it as a shot against N_M. Care to enlighten us? And does the vote have anything to do with N_M (ie associative tells)?- The Bulge
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In post 571, Desperado wrote:More Bulge votes plz
In post 537, The Bulge wrote:@Desp - You acknowledge your vote as naked, but make no effort to "dress" it and instead just use it as a shot against N_M. Care to enlighten us? And does the vote have anything to do with N_M (ie associative tells)?
This is a serious question. I'm genuinely curious about that last part in particular.- The Bulge
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In post 574, Desperado wrote:In post 572, The Bulge wrote:This is a serious question. I'm genuinely curious about that last part in particular.
I don't scumhunt via associative tells on unflipped slots.
Ok. The first part of the question is important too.- The Bulge
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In post 580, Wickedestjr wrote:Bulge, have you ever said you could 'guarantee' that you were town (or something along those lines) as town before (as Bulge or as your alt) ? Ever said it as scum - and if not, would you ever consider it?
I'd like Bulge to answer those questions. However, I can already say that I don't like Unsight's vote for him. His only reason is that Bulge said he could 'guarantee' that he was town, but that seems like a weak reason. Also, I disagree with his conclusion regarding Bulge/sns - I already town read sns, but if Bulge flips scum then I grow even more confident in the belief that sns is not in that same scum group.
I'll admit that I still haven't done the rereading/meta-checks I wanted to do. But now I promise that it is first on my mafiascum priority list. Getting to it now.
In post 581, Not_Mafia wrote:In post 577, Unsight wrote:The thing that doesn't sit well with me is Post 319. When he was nearing lynch, he said he couldguaranteehe was town. snscompt1 immediately took his vote elsewhere. snscompt1 could have been jumping off his buddy's wagon or he may have read that post the same way I just did--soft Town Seer claim. The problem with this? The Bulge is still alive. Night kill analysis is WIFOM and usually not worth the time it takes to type, but I think the wolves would have to be asleep at the wheel to not take that bait. Unless he's one of them.
Why would you point this out? Regardless of how obvious you found it, do you really think it's so unlikely the wolves didn't catch on to it that was worth potentially outing the seer?
Regardless Bulge needs to claim
That post is being misinterpreted and taken out of context. Reading over it alone, it does look like a Seer soft-claim. Whoops. But look at it in context of the post I was replying to. In 317, fuzzy says "Pasch is town. I can almost guarantee it." I replied in 319 with "I CAN guarantee that I'm town." This was meant to contrast his "almost", because from my POV, I know myself to be town. Sorry if that was read the wrong way.(Read: I am a VT, not a seer)
To answer your question, I guess it would be a good softclaim as town or even a soft fakeclaim as scum. But it's risky. If I were to use that as town, I would have to assume that scum doesn't pick up on it but town does, which is quite the assumption.- The Bulge
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In post 583, fuzzybutternut wrote:^I feel like you just threw up WIFOM in a bucket and tossed it everywhere.
Where is the WIFOM? I talked about town softclaims, not fakeclaims...- The Bulge
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In post 575, The Bulge wrote:In post 574, Desperado wrote:In post 572, The Bulge wrote:This is a serious question. I'm genuinely curious about that last part in particular.
I don't scumhunt via associative tells on unflipped slots.
Ok. The first part of the question is important too.- The Bulge
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In post 591, Desperado wrote:In post 590, The Bulge wrote:unless of course you don't believe me.
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Alright. So you think I was softclaiming seer, and now I'm going back on it?- The Bulge
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1) I never fucking softclaimed seer.
2) I have asked the same question at least 3 times with no answer from everyone.Why am I werewolf.
3) Almost ALL of today's analysis has been "If The Bulge flips WW, then..." Alright, but there had better be a backup plan, because when I flip town this entire day will have been a waste with no information learned.- The Bulge
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In post 682, Riddleton wrote:I do not see why you would vote Desperado otherwise. He has barely contributed.
You're answering your own question here.
NM's 667 is bullshit because he pretty much says "Everybody is saying The Bulge is WW, so why not vote him?"
This is exactly what I have been saying this whole time. THERE. IS. NO. CASE. AGAINST. ME.- The Bulge
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Now that I'm on my laptop...
I'll start by clarifying something you are all obviously too tunnel-minded to understand:I never fucking claimed Seer.The way Wicked explained it is correct. It was a god damn wording issue. If that is the basis of the case against me (hint: it is), then either scum is getting way too stubbornly opportunistic or this town is incompetent. I think the former is more likely.
In post 581, Not_Mafia wrote:In post 577, Unsight wrote:The thing that doesn't sit well with me is Post 319. When he was nearing lynch, he said he couldguaranteehe was town. snscompt1 immediately took his vote elsewhere. snscompt1 could have been jumping off his buddy's wagon or he may have read that post the same way I just did--soft Town Seer claim. The problem with this? The Bulge is still alive. Night kill analysis is WIFOM and usually not worth the time it takes to type, but I think the wolves would have to be asleep at the wheel to not take that bait. Unless he's one of them.
Why would you point this out? Regardless of how obvious you found it, do you really think it's so unlikely the wolves didn't catch on to it that was worth potentially outing the seer?
Regardless Bulge needs to claim
What the fuck is this shit and why did nobody pick up on it? First of all, I don't buy the "I caught the soft-claim but didn't want to point it out to scum" bullshit. Second of all, what you say later completely contradicts yourself.
"How dare you draw attention to our soft-claimed seer! Shame on you! ... By the way, potential seer, you should definitely claim now, yea."
In post 647, Not_Mafia wrote:I'll let Unsight respond but that case isn't as impressive as it seems to look to others and is largely window dressing, and Wicked's personal opinion of the "fake crumb" is largely meaningless whenit's obvious a significant enough portion of the town are going to get hung up on itand why more people don't seem to be aware of why us extending out a lynch centered on someone crumbing our only PR is bad is beyond me.
If Bulge flips town it removes any future wifom of that crumb and hopefully redirects wolves kill to Fuzzy, but that possibility is dwindling more and more the longer this goes on and more of us figure out who the seer is. This lynch should have gone through 2-3 pages ago.
I find it absolutely hilarious that you think my wagon is town-driven, or at its least "a significant portion of the town".
In post 667, Not_Mafia wrote:So vote him. You summed this whole thing up yourself here
In post 665, Bins wrote: everyone keeps assuming he's destined to flip WW
I addressed this before but I want to stress again how shitty this post is. Not to mention how shitty the wagon is. I will be legitimately surprised if there is any more than one townie on my wagon.
Can we make a Not_Mafia wagon happen? I'd also be down to lynch Unsight or Desp. Maybe Riddleton based on recent bullshit. I'll give him a read next.
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In post 700, Paschendale wrote:@Wicked: As much as you don't like the votes on Bulge based on the claim accusation, you haven't really ever addressed my case on him. He almost exclusively defends himself, doesn't contribute to finding scum, and his vote on Titus did not look like one where the outcome was unknown. That wasn't a compromise vote. That wasn't a vote he genuinely believed in. That was a vote that was cast against a known enemy.
Are you saying everyone else on the Titus wagon wasn't sure of their vote? Sounds like a pretty awful wagon to me.- The Bulge
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In post 728, Bins wrote:Are we seriously at 2 days?
Fakc.
Wicked, will you vote Bulge over a No Lynch?
In post 671, Bins wrote:I'm saying it's a shit lynch because there's no good argument for it that I can see and everyone's still acting like Bulge is conf scum. Lynch Bulge, NM, go ahead, I'm not attempting to defend against the wagon, I just don't want to be a part of it.
And I don't see Desp scum for reasons that he voted Splash vs Shaded. I don't think he'd just not bus his partner in that situation.
Why so eager to switch wagons? The Desp wagon is only one vote behind mine.- The Bulge
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In post 711, Desperado wrote:I can't emphasize enough how dead Bulge should be and how bad this counterwagon on me is.
In other news: Desp is still dodging my question and refusing to tell me why he is pushing for my lynch so hard.- The Bulge
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In post 732, Bins wrote:Honestly, if you end up being lynched and flip town, there's a lot of heads I'm going to want. Starting with getting actual content from Desp.
Or how about getting an explanation from desp BEFORE sheeping him?- The Bulge
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In post 734, Bins wrote:When did I say I was going to sheep him? I was asking Wicked if he would.
Sorry, I wasn't addressing that specifically to you. I mean for everyone. Why would we just ignore the blatant dodging until tomorrow? Is putting it off really worth a mis-lynch?
PEDIT - I already said this. Desp is one vote behind me.- The Bulge
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In post 740, Desperado wrote:In post 730, The Bulge wrote:In post 711, Desperado wrote:I can't emphasize enough how dead Bulge should be and how bad this counterwagon on me is.
In other news: Desp is still dodging my question and refusing to tell me why he is pushing for my lynch so hard.
Am I not giving any content or am I pushing hard for lynch? Can't have your cake and eat it too.
Checking in every couple pages and complaining about a lynch not going through isnotcontent.- The Bulge
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Paschendale wrote:His votes were for poor and unfounded reasons.
VOTE 1 - Not_Mafia: RVS vote.
VOTE 2 - Paschendale: I got a lot of shit for this vote. But look at the nextthree postsafter mine. They all contain the same vote. Why the fuck did I get attacked? I wasn't sheeping. I wasn't voting without a reason. The other three votes were no better than mine. Why me? Easy. Scum motivated push. fuzzy (scum) is the first to lead the wagon on me. The wagon is very quickly and eagerly picked up by Not_Mafia (scum).
VOTE 3 - Not_Mafia: His reasons for pushing me were stupid, and I didn't like that he just picked up fuzzy's case and went with it. I'm still down for a Not_Mafia lynch.
VOTE 4 - Titus: Obviously to prevent a No Lynch.
What more reasoning do you want?
Paschendale wrote:His contributions have not helped find scum at all
Just because you don't agree with my scumreads doesn't mean I'm not contributing. I believe I have nailed scum in Not_Mafia and Desperado. Go with it or don't, but don't tell me I haven't contributed. Yea my Day 1 play was weak. I was busy and frankly shittier at the game then.
Paschendale wrote:his day 1 play, especially his vote, looked like trying to fly under the radar.
What vote are you talking about here? The Titus vote? Really? Would you have preferred a No Lynch?
Paschendale wrote:The last two votes on day 1, that being his and yours, both looked like this. They had all the trappings of votes cast by people who know exactly the outcome that a lynch will have (or at very least, know that it won't be their team).
Ok, so this says I'm not mafia. Which is true. But the only outcome of the lynch that I was sure of was that it would happen as oppose to a No Lynch. That is what I was trying to prevent. Day 1 lynches are for information. I said it myself I wasn't sure how to feel about Titus, but I wagoned along in the interest of time. - The Bulge
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