Open 563 - Jungle Republic (Night 5~)

[snscompt1]

UNVOTE

Same reads list to a tee.

VOTE DESP

you're also suspicious of bulge, pasch, and maru but are voting an "empty" slot instead?

interesting.

Wanna know why?
There are 5 scum in a game of 12. Almost half the game is scum. Two people have posted barely anything: you and bulge. Excluding elmo until a replacement comes in. Now, based on my micro games, Ive noticed that there is usually at least one scum lurker.

So out of a game with five scum and two lurkers, both are town? Nay. I think both are scum. Pasch too but Id rather lynch the lurker than be wrong about my reads on Pasch again.

[snscompt1]

Mmm. Include maru in that bit too. Maru can be scum.

[Desperado]

the game started three days ago. no one is lurking.

[Wickedestjr]

Her vote for snscompt is incredibly opportunistic.

First she says this;

Both of you aren't making sense much sense at all. Sns' vote 'cause selfvote was bad. Reinoe's vote in response to that was bad.
So if it's any consolation to you, I like reinoe's vote less.

-Somewhat a fence sit
-Calls reinoe's vote for snscompt bad
-Says reinoe's vote is worse than snscompt's vote

At this point, I was "on the fence", because I didn't think either of them were scum, I just thought their votes were bad.

-by this point Not_Mafia had voted snscompt
-Bins now sides with reinoe
-her reasoning in this quote is bad and looks like an attempt at originality (what's wrong with asking to be meta'd?)

She seems to have changed her mind because of post 39. But post 39 shouldn't have caused her to change her mind. One bad post caused a radical change in her reads? Looks opportunistic.

I sided with Not_Mafia. I didn't like Reinoe's reasons at all for the vote. I thought they were weak and didn't make much sense to me, even from the beginning.
Not_Mafia came in with stronger points that I did agree with.
And I really didn't like sns' defense. Asking to be meta'd is bad because he could know he's not acting like he usually does as scum. He could have changed his play style. That's what didn't sit right to me.

1. How can you have issue with sns' defense if you didn't like the vote he was defending against to begin with?
2. What stronger points did Not_Mafia come in with that you agree with?
3. When did sns ask you to look at his

scum

meta?
4. If he had asked you to look at his town meta, would that have been ok?

[snscompt1]

the game started three days ago. no one is lurking.

Ugh. It seems like it started ages ago. Must be this spat with Reineo. Anyways. Yes. You're lurking. Three days and 4 posts. Two of which are today and responding to my vote on you. You have yet to comment on nearly anything. Care to now?

[Desperado]

not particularly no

[Desperado]

mainly because if your spat with reinoe felt like ages to you, you can imagine what it must be like to have to read all that shit for those of us who weren't involved

[snscompt1]

lol. I bet it was awful. And ok.

[Wickedestjr]

@reinoe - Thanks. I'll check out those games later today.

@Bins - why are you town reading Paschendale?

[Bins]

1. How can you have issue with sns' defense if you didn't like the vote he was defending against to begin with?
2. What stronger points did Not_Mafia come in with that you agree with?
3. When did sns ask you to look at his

scum

meta?
4. If he had asked you to look at his town meta, would that have been ok?

1. Not really what I meant. I didn't like the reasons for Reinoe's vote, and I didn't read him scum at that time. It was only until he started defending himself that he felt scummy.
2. ^ Not_Mafia believed this as well.
3. When he originally posted it...

*sigh* If anyone wants to see me as scum, feel free to meta me. I dont know if it will do anything, I dont really pay attention to how I play, but Ive finished two scum games within a week and won them both.

4. Er, that's a lot less likely of a situation but I think it wouldn't have made any difference for my opinion. It's still something he has control over knowing whether or not it will give anything away about his play style.

And I just don't get any scum vibes. It's definitely not a strong town read, 'cause he hasn't really said anything. But the points he's made don't strike me as odd.

[Maruchan]

I'm having a really hard time getting myself interested in this game at all. I don't normally have this problem. I don't know why I am now. X.X

[reinoe]

I'm having a really hard time getting myself interested in this game at all. I don't normally have this problem. I don't know why I am now. X.X

I understand that bickering can kill enthusiasm and I try to disengage from fruitless discussions for that precise reason. However the tl/dr version of the thread is that Sns is scum after being baited into a trap.

[snscompt1]

You never answered my question Reineo. What will you say when I flip town?

[snscompt1]

And don't reply with "You won't, you're scum" I want a serious answer for once.

[reinoe]

You never answered my question Reineo. What will you say when I flip town?

I missed the question.

If you flip town I'll do what I always do if someone flips town. I'll analyze your reads, re-evaluate your interactions, and do a nightkill analysis. On the third point I typically don't share my observations until near the end of day two. If you do flip town you'll be happy to know that I seem to give more respect to dead townie reads than most players.

And don't reply with "You won't, you're scum" I want a serious answer for once.

Anyone who answers a question like that I'd consider it a minor scumtells. Presumptuous much?

[snscompt1]

Presumptuous because you're pompous.

And ok. You would do what I expect you to do. But what I'm asking is what you will think of your read on me all this time. You're tunneling me because you think I'm scum. You give many many reasons that no one agrees with, yet you still stand by the fact that I'm scum. Will this be a learning experience for you? Or will you simply ignore everyone again? Going after your read is fine. But there comes a point where you have to admit to the possibility of you being wrong.
What will you think about our whole argument when I flip town is what I'm asking. Because you refuse to take any of my explanations from my perspective.

[Wickedestjr]

vote: reinoe

vote: elmo

vote: bins

VOTE: bjc

Self explanatory. Isn't it?

At the time of your vote for bjc, you hadn't done anything more/different. I think it is suspicious that you would vote for bjc for doing something that you have also done. What is wrong with bjc's reasonless votes?

[Mist7676]

Vote Count:

ShadedMelee

(3) - Not_Mafia, Paschendale, Desperado

Not_Mafia

(1) - The Bulge

Elmo TeH AzN

(1) - Maruchan

Maruchan

(1) - Elmo TeH AzN

Bins

(1) - Wickedestjr

snscompt1

(2) - Bins, reinoe

Paschendale

(2) - ShadedMelee, bjc

Desperado

(1) - snscompt1

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is in: (expired on 2014-07-30 10:47:12)

[Maruchan]

I'm having a really hard time getting myself interested in this game at all. I don't normally have this problem. I don't know why I am now. X.X

I understand that bickering can kill enthusiasm and I try to disengage from fruitless discussions for that precise reason. However the tl/dr version of the thread is that Sns is scum after being baited into a trap.

can you point to the trap so I can go back and read it?

[reinoe]

Presumptuous because you're pompous.

And ok. You would do what I expect you to do. But what I'm asking is what you will think of your read on me all this time. You're tunneling me because you think I'm scum. You give many many reasons that no one agrees with, yet you still stand by the fact that I'm scum. Will this be a learning experience for you? Or will you simply ignore everyone again? Going after your read is fine. But there comes a point where you have to admit to the possibility of you being wrong.
What will you think about our whole argument when I flip town is what I'm asking. Because you refuse to take any of my explanations from my perspective.

I just completed a micro-game where nobody believed Bulbazak was scum except me and I was right. And when I presented my case based on "Who's more likely to be scum" I actually got scumread for it. When dealing with players who are slippery as scum such as yourself ( and Bulbazak), the scumtells are not going to be bold and apparent. I expected someone to fall for my trap. I'm certain if it wasn't you it would have been someone else.

There's a ghandi quote out there that talks about the minority of one can still be right. Phone posting so I can't find it right now. But the fact that you're trying so hard to discredit everything except the actual argument presented suggests that I'm right.

[snscompt1]

That's not what I asked. I understand that a single person could be right(btw, that was Bulb and Bulb is awesome at scum, he's been scum all three times I've played him and no one ever suspected him). You are avoiding my question.

[snscompt1]

I lol'd at the ghandi quote thing tho. I agree with it, but just find it funny. Ghandi said it, so it must be true and make an impact
Though I do agree with it. Just found it funny.

And furthermore, what exactly am I discrediting besides the argument against me? Which is what exactly? Because I've countered everything you've said.

[reinoe]

I'm having a really hard time getting myself interested in this game at all. I don't normally have this problem. I don't know why I am now. X.X

I understand that bickering can kill enthusiasm and I try to disengage from fruitless discussions for that precise reason. However the tl/dr version of the thread is that Sns is scum after being baited into a trap.

can you point to the trap so I can go back and read it?

The formatting required will have to wait till I get home.

[Maruchan]

kay

[Mist7676]

fuzzybutternut replaces Elmo TeH AzN! Welcome him!