Mini 1604 -- Zodiac Mafia (Game Over)

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Burn

Who has my dayvig?

[Salamence20]

Waiting to see if Iec kill went through.

[Salamence20]

Then we should try to see if anyone will claim the dayvig so we can control the shot

[Salamence20]

Ah, Red does the Vi/Tierce style of VCs. Cool

SC I'm not understanding your logic on how scum control the dayvig

[Salamence20]

Well, problem is is that if dayvig was to out, we could lynch someone we find scummy later (based on a majority) and have them shot then lynch. I dont see how scum could control it if a majority of players agree on the vig target.

[Salamence20]

Getting out of RVS is always protown

[Salamence20]

Hi all, I've had some shit happen to me yesterday and I'm not in the right sense to play mafia right now. I'd replace out but RC is my friend and I don't want to fuck a good friend over. So give me a day or two and I'll catchup.

My appologies

[Salamence20]

I'll be on tonight, with a bunch of stuff.

As a fan of the quickhammer. I'd still prefer I not get lollynched beforehand.

[Salamence20]

About my "lurking": nacho states that I have been in other threads and purposefully ignoring this one. That isn't true. Two days ago I got into a fight on this site which had me pissed and fuming. I'm not going into the details of this fight, but it ended with me replacing out of all current games except two (this one and a micro) and my modded game. My modding duties come first before any game. The other game I haven't posted in awhile, and this one, where I came to say that. I needed a little bit of time to cool down. Any posts made around then were a) me replacing out or b) my modded game. I'm back now and I'm a little confused on why I'm brought to L-1 this early and also on the notion of dayvig speculation. Which reminds me...

About dayvig speculation: I love the dayvig, it's my favorite role in all of mafia. That's why I asked who had my dayvig in my RVS. I then said the dayvig should out on PG 2, for the sake of town controlling the shot, something that has been mentioned by other players as well. The argument against this was "mafia controls the shot if Dayvig outs." How so? There are more townies than mafia. If town holds the shot, we play normal and shoot the person we want to lynch, then get another lynch. Even if mafia disagree on our shot target and try to manipulate the shot, they are the minority. If 8-9 players want to shoot player A and 4-5 players want to shoot player B, A dies regardless of the number of scum on the other wagon to shoot. So i don't see the problem. If mafia holds the shot and refuses to shoot the player the majority wants, chances are the dayvig is scum defending a scumbuddy or WIFOM. We lynch the dayvig if they refuse. How is this scummy? Hell, STD stated the same thing I did about the dayvig.

Oh it's because I didn't scumhunt on the first 3 pages.

Im sorry.

I always try to get us out of RVS. It is pro-town, regardless of my actual alignment.

In terms of actual reading, Nacho is town regardless of his misreading of me, he is scumhunting early and like I said earlier, scumhunting and getting us out of RVS is always protown. SC slightly less, but still. Gemini is looking good too, based on the fact that I feel like STD would love to hop on my wagon based on my personality.

On the other side of things, I don't like Xay. All three votes of his have been bandwagons on Iec, WP, and myself, respectively. It just seems like trying to hiding behind the crowd on a mislynch.

Out of all the people on my wagon, Xay's and PV's votes are the worse. PV waits until Nacho tells him to hop on to vote, which seems as justified as Xay's reasoning. I think more pressure need to be put onto PV, Xay, or both.

UNVOTE: Burn
VOTE: PV

I'll be on for the rest of the night, so if you have questions or so, hit me.

[Salamence20]

@PV: No, not quite. Try again.

@STD: We're not going into this again. Either you're being ignorant or you forgot who I am (a person someone like you would love to policy).

@Nacho: not entirely true, asking about wether the dayvig should out or not is something. It may not be entirely town-focused as you and SC have stated, but it was something to get us out of Random voting. So to some credit, I did (despite it ending up with a speedwagon of myself). Even Slayer's gambit has it's effects. As for my reads, it don't look like anyone else is doing much hunting other than waiting for MY neck to snap. You and SC put me at L-2 on pg. 8. You don't see anything wrong with that? You don't see any opportunity from this. Come on.

[Salamence20]

Also Nacho, do you not like my reads or just don't like that I'm ignorant to my wagon that hit L-2?

[Salamence20]

Salamence, are you saying that by being scummy and only talking about theory, you got a wagon on you to get us out of RVS - thus making your actions protown?

That wasn't my intention to play scummy by asking if dayvig should out that early (page 3). But hey, it got us out of RVS. So yes, protown

[Salamence20]

I never said it wasn't fair. I just think that 1. It was faster than normal and 2. I think some scum are on my wagon and is not completely town.

[Salamence20]

@STD: We're not going into this again. Either you're being ignorant or you forgot who I am (a person someone like you would love to policy).

His response was legitimate, and your refusal to explain why you feel like STD would wagon you based on personality is anti-town. I know you're leaning town on him but I am not unvoting you until you give him a proper response. Why is it townie for STD to wagon you?

Based on *something* he thinks I'm dangerous VI out to ruin games.

So why wouldn't he wagon me if he had the chance (like he does now)?

[Salamence20]

I'm more worried about the people on top of my wagon, that I want to focus on the people who sheeped on.

Sorry if I was too worried about my lynch to worry about others off it.

[Salamence20]

Dear Nacho:

The only scummy things I am worried about at this time are the people on my wagon.

Love, Sally

[Salamence20]

Then what do you want from me!?

What do you like about PV and Xay?

[Salamence20]

@STD: We're not going into this again. Either you're being ignorant or you forgot who I am (a person someone like you would love to policy).

His response was legitimate, and your refusal to explain why you feel like STD would wagon you based on personality is anti-town. I know you're leaning town on him but I am not unvoting you until you give him a proper response. Why is it townie for STD to wagon you?

Based on *something* he thinks I'm dangerous VI out to ruin games.

So why wouldn't he wagon me if he had the chance (like he does now)?

I'm trying to choose my words carefully because this relates to an ongoing game but I feel I'm being misunderstood.

The truth is I don't think that, Salamence. We can talk about it more after that game if you like but I tend to treat people based on the play of the game they are currently in only, hence my posts only refer to that game. If I was rude to you I do apologize, I get a little heated in mafia games. Believe me or don't for now but I suppose we should table this before we get in trouble.

~STD

@Gemini: Fair enough. You're still looking town off the wagon though. A little more than Juls, but I could see you as scum hoping because it could be easy to be on my mislynch and blame someone else (if you are scum). As for "his only scumreads are based on his own wagon anaylsis," can you not see that I was somewhat concerned about being put at L-2 for setup spec that I was trying to figure out who was scum on my wagon before I get lolspeedlynched before looking outside.

[Salamence20]

Town:

Nacho/SC: I already explained these reads.
Gemini: I feel like STD would be handling my wagon differently if he was scum.

Null:

Juls: If this was a micro, I would be sheeping her by now, but this is obviously not the case. She fakes a dayvig, not quite sure of the test she was trying to perform. Other than vigspec, hasn't been much out of her. Is the fake dayvig more townish or scummish in this game. (Leans town)

Iec: there may be a connection between him and Juls. I'm not sure. Against setup spec as well. Want to hear more from him now that I'm here and playing (null)

Burn: This "I'm voting people for setup spec" of his seems off compared to SC/Nacho. Says that I'm scum for dayvig spec and Juls scum because of her plan being complicated. Definitely want to hear more from him. (Null)

Witness/Toasty: Yeah... What was that wagon on him about other than Nacho showing he makes town his bitch. (null)

Elyse: what bugs me the most about her is that she is serious(?) voting Xay, but doesn't have any scumreads. So is Xay a nullread worth pressuring or what? Possible sitting around, but not enough has been said on her end to make me believe anything yet. (Leans scum)

Dry-Fit: I don't like him. His subtle "I am a dayblocker" joke was unnecessary regardless of the joke. Scumreads my townreads, and states strategy is a scumtell, where (IMO) I've seen it as town more than scum. (Leans scum)

Scum:

PV/Xay: Best case of scum on my wagon for reasons already stated.

[Salamence20]

Idk, it dont really matter since i have no qualms moving to Xay. But I cant read Xay because he always has this "I dunno what ur talking about, Im town" feel that makes it hard to accurately read him.

PV though. He should know better

[Salamence20]

Idk, it dont really matter since i have no qualms moving to Xay. But I cant read Xay because he always has this "I dunno what ur talking about, Im town" feel that makes it hard to accurately read him.

PV though. He should know better

you've played with me before haven't you?

there was that triplicate game where you had like this big case against me no? that should help you out

I don't get it.

[Salamence20]

@Rolls: Like I said, it's possible Elyse is just sitting around waiting for something to happen, but then why isn't she voting me. She has stated she would be fine with my lynch, but why hasn't she voted me. It could be a reach for townie points.

[Salamence20]

Nacho I think you're wrong about Elyse. Coming right out and saying you have no scumreads is most likely town

I don't get your reasoning for this. The could maybe see you calling it town because it's something that's too risky for scum to say, but taking the position on page 6 doesn't seem that risky and thus not that town, and it prevents her from having to take positions on who to lynch because she doesn't have that opinion. I also didn't really like how she called me town and yet didn't engage my scumread on Salamence (aka pick out flaws in it) to see where I was coming from which shows me she not only lacks a scumread, but lacks interest in developing a scumread as well.

It's not that I'm not interested in developing a scumread. Salamence has said he'll be away for a few days so I don't think it's scummy that he's been elsewhere on site or barely present.

As far as only talking about theory, yeah I guess that's true, but it's early in the game and it's not like Salamence purposely avoided talking about current events in the topic and used theory as a crutch to avoid taking stances. Id like to see him come back and hear what he has to say. I certainly understand the votes on him, though

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[Salamence20]

Saying you dont disagree with the votes and actually admitting Im playing out if character earlier isnt a non-verbal way of supporting a lynch?

[Salamence20]

@PV: No, not quite. Try again.

Just a single question.

You said:

PV waits until Nacho tells him to hop on to vote, which seems as justified as Xay's reasoning.

I said:

Am I sheeping scumNacho?

If the answer is no, then I'm sheeping townNacho. And that's good enough at the time.

Vote: ToastyToast

These posts made me lol.

[Salamence20]

I honestly don't understand how you would think I'm ok with your lynch based on the bolded. I said that the main reason people were scumreading you wasn't that strong and I wanted to hear what you said when you came back. In what way does that make it seem like I would be good with your lynch?

Because you didnt disagree with the wagon at all, you just wanted to wait it out, rather than hop on.

I mean if you think the votes are justified why are you not voting me?

[Salamence20]

Idk, it dont really matter since i have no qualms moving to Xay. But I cant read Xay because he always has this "I dunno what ur talking about, Im town" feel that makes it hard to accurately read him.

PV though. He should know better

What should I know better?

Youre not someone Id expect to "LOLSHEEP" as town

[Salamence20]

I did disagree with it though. I said I understand the votes, but I think your scumminess was being overhyped.

I'm not scumreading you...

K fine. Im not too worried about it because PV/Xay should fall today,

Ill stash this up for another day

[Salamence20]

With Juls daykill on you, ect.

[Salamence20]

PV is scum with toasty.

Gemini is flippihg town

[Salamence20]

Toasty wagon anyone?

We should also stop fakevigging because of obvious reasons

[Salamence20]

PV is votehopping.

Squirm baby squirm

[Salamence20]

Sala to Dry to Toasty.

Vote hopping

[Salamence20]

Toasty, who voted me for thinking PV is votehopping

[Salamence20]

RC: I'm back

To be honest, don't know when I'm going to reread this. Probably tomorrow tbh.

[Salamence20]

So im l-2 or 1 so im doing this now i guess

Kill Elyse

Still town.

[Salamence20]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Salamence

Well I'm town.

If I die scumreads are PV, Iec, Xay, Sala in that order.

Hmmmmm?

[Salamence20]

If my shot resets the count, which I think it does, then lol.

[Salamence20]

If vote count stays ill claim.

[Salamence20]

Red where r you?

[Salamence20]

Town cop. Holding the shot for a guilty.

Fuck. You. All

VOTE: Xay

Will switch to PV if I must, but relations between xay and elyse make me think scum

[Salamence20]

I'm a big fan of not lynching the claimed cop D1. Going to laugh when he's telling the truth and you kill him anyway. Willing to bite my tongue if he's not. Don't think it's necessary today, personally.

If he is telling the truth then it tops the list of "bad Salamance D1 plays."

Really?
Really???
Realllllllllllyyyyyyyyyy?

Brb going to make a top 10.

[Salamence20]

Oh I was hammered.

Gamethrowing is fun!