Micro 387: Double Day Unlimited (GAME OVER)

[ProHawk]

Yes, not a bad plan scummer.

VOTE: OkaPoka

[ProHawk]

Welp, no wonder why scum have such a win-advantage in this setup.

[ProHawk]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[ProHawk]

Because?

Lack of accountability.

[ProHawk]

Overzealous voting.

[ProHawk]

Hint: Only two in that list is ACTUAL scum.

[ProHawk]

I will unvote when I townread you

Joke or Serious?

[ProHawk]

VOTE: OkaPoka

[ProHawk]

I would be surprised if Oka and N_M were buddies. Oka, you are being super-duper-overly-aggressive.

[ProHawk]

Aren't you already voting OkaPoka?

Just my affirmation of scum.

[ProHawk]

I would be surprised if Oka and N_M were buddies. Oka, you are being super-duper-overly-aggressive.

isnt that the point of rvs?

Didn't you yourself imply we were out of rvs?

[ProHawk]

So guys we need to claim.

I'm vanilla townie don't hurt me.

Feeding on the helpless newlings.

[ProHawk]

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

[ProHawk]

UNVOTE: OkaPoka
VOTE: Scrambles
VOTE: Xay

Not_Mafia, please remove your votes from people so I can town-read you. Thanks.

[ProHawk]

Ohh yes, I like me some scrambles votes.

[ProHawk]

Can't get behind a vote like this.

What can you get behind?

[ProHawk]

Oka, lurking scum, or active scum?

[ProHawk]

Are scum in the active group or the lurking group?

[ProHawk]

Dodge, Dip, Dive, Duck, Dodge

Must be good at dodge-ball...

[ProHawk]

I think Xayzeck is legit.

UNVOTE: Xayzeck

Oka probably needs to die today.

[ProHawk]

Active lurking... lol, I have been more active than the majority of you lot. I guarantee there is one scum using this buzz - word. I invited oka so we don't get a derp hammer a few pages into the game

[ProHawk]

because Prohawks ISO is one BIG problem that you guys should be talking about, but god I don't know why he's getting townread.

So lets talk.

this man here has a similar ISO

Did you just compare me to ZZZX?

PROHAWK'S ISO IS A BIG PROBLEM

CAN WE DISCUSS THIS

I dunno, can we? Oh, my bad, you don't really want to discuss anything, you just want to yell and scream cause you forgot your caps-lock got stuck.

For the record, I think you are town. Not real good town, but that's another discussion for another day.

[ProHawk]

Flubbernugget, please tell me you are joking....

But since you aren't, let me spell it out for the reading impaired. In the post in question to "provoke discussion" I called out the dude who keeps yelling and screaming that my posts suck, when they don't. I asked him to talk, when he isn't. I asked him to prove his comparison of me to a lad with two or three posts, where I have more than quadruple that. And I have given a read which will be helpful for analysis later on.

When I am not on my phone, we are going to analyze your posts, to see how much you have spurred discussion flubby boy.

Until then, serious question, are you dumb, or scum?

[ProHawk]

I get it now Flubby! You ask questions. Right.

See, I have been at this a long time. I try not to spoon feed people because it gets, well, boring. People should be playing the game, providing reads, making cases, refuting cases and the like. Which I have been doing. Which you have not been doing.

One liner question posts are people wanting to look like they are scum-hunting, when in reality they are scum. You are sitting back, apparently have a scum read (me) but haven't voted yet, despite my only having picked up one vote at this point. Despite having the POWER of multiple votes. May be playstyle, may be scum-caution. I am leaning toward the latter. I would vote you if you weren't at L-2 already.

[ProHawk]

Why?

Many reasons Oka, however I will start off with gut, which although impossible to defend against generally leads me in the right direction (although not always)

Your RVS initial post was anti-town.
Didn't like your over the top aggression at the beginning. Looked like you were trying too hard.
Used a past experience meta (3d and Bulba) to paint yourself as town.
Didn't like your response to me asking where your scum-reads sat. VERY fency and non-committal.

HOWEVER

With that said, this latest string of attacks on me has scum written all over it. So you definitely don't sit first on my to-lynch pile ATM.

[ProHawk]

Spartacus? The Scum of Rome.

A-YUP

[ProHawk]

You also started making posts with more content shortly after being

criticized for active lurking.

ATTACKED

Fixed that for you.

You've made a lot of accusations (particularly of Oka, scrambles, and Flubber, I believe), but haven't provided a lot of evidence, and despite your criticism of one liner question posts, a quick ISO reveals about six.

Touche. In my defense, I'm not a lawyer, i'm a detective. If you want my evidence, ask for it, although I usually provide it without directly stating it. You're cute though.

Also, what read have you given that will be "helpful for analysis later on"?

Xay - Town
Oka - Scum
Flubby - Scum
Scrambles - Maybe Scum?
Rest - Likely town, only time will tell.

[ProHawk]

Maybe, if I knew what that was.

[ProHawk]

Does that answer your question

You also skirted my accusation/question about you not having voted anyone at this juncture.

[ProHawk]

If I find out that Xayzeck is intentionally ignoring me, I am gonna flip a lid.

[ProHawk]

Dodge #2.

[ProHawk]

Who taught you this concept of active lurking because I don't really think you have a good handle on it. Least of all why those posts you quoted would indicate scum-mentality.

[ProHawk]

Scum. But the game is 6 pages long right now so null read atm.

Pretty sure that you said this about me...

I don't mind a little spoon feeding now and again.

[ProHawk]

Also noted that you say nothing about NM doing this.

Just going to clear this up real quick-like

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Because?

Lack of accountability.

Overzealous voting.

I will unvote when I townread you

Joke or Serious?

All of that was in response to NM's mass-vote

[ProHawk]

I'm concerned with Roselily not voting anyone

[ProHawk]

Xay, your accusations about my posts are not factually correct FYI

[ProHawk]

what did you hope to achieve with these questions, and how would they help you figure out whether they were town/scum?

Flubber was being very non-committal, so I asked him what he commits to. I was hoping to get some reads out of him, but he just came back with a generic answer. Same with Oka, I wanted him to provide some reads, but he also came back with a generic answer. Both responses look scummy to me. Why didn't you get anything out of them?

[ProHawk]

Xay is town

Are you?

[ProHawk]

Prohawk = #1
Flubber = #2
Oka = #4

You realize that your top scum-read is top scum-reading your #2 and #4... lol. That was almost a good try?

[ProHawk]

One of kndy, and roselily is scum.

One of oka and flubbed is scum, although I am leaning more oka based on the kndy vote.

I am being thrown up as a counter wagon based on an inaccurate premise which has yet to be hypothesized as scummy and which I have already explained as false.

[ProHawk]

UNVOTE: scrambles
VOTE: kyndy101

[ProHawk]

There was when I asked it. I didn't want to place people at L-1 with such a young playerlist.

[ProHawk]

Also, explain to me how that question was hard?

Players X, Y, and Z are lurking.

Players A, B and C are posting a lot and being active.

I ask, do you think scum resides in group X, Y, and Z or A, B and C?

If you have town-reads on A, B, and C then clearly your answer would be in the lurking group. If you have scum-reads on player A and B then you would answer in the active group. If you have gut scum reads on player Y and a scum read on player B then you would answer both. Its not rocket science dude.

[ProHawk]

What makes you think that one of kyndy/me

I am town, and I doubt all town are on me at this point, considering the reason I am being voted is the buzz-word.

and one of oka/flubber is scum?

This is based on them both being lead-wagons while I am being pushed as a counter-wagon to them both. Coupled with reasons I have already given for my scum-reading them.

[ProHawk]

Prohawk have you explained your scumread on rose?

Its basically OMGUS. I don't think I actually stated an actual scum-read on her, its just probability POE.

[ProHawk]

Also, re-thinking things, my gut may be WAY off track due to extra votes and such. We'll see after some flips though.

[ProHawk]

Explain.

[ProHawk]

That makes zero sense. Why would scum make me a counter wagon if the two leading wagons are on town?

[ProHawk]

I am going to help you out here a little because I don't think you understand the driving force of wagons.

Wagons are driven by scum. Innately. Because they have inside knowledge on who is town, and who is scum. They have to drive wagons, or force town to herd in specific directions to survive. Town don't intentionally (or at least shouldn't) drive wagons because they are clueless. The ideal play for town is to evaluate whom out of the group is most likely exhibiting characteristics of scum without following or leading the herd so to speak.

[ProHawk]

You almost tempt me to self-vote so you all can see how awful your mafia theory is and maybe get on the right track of catching scum, although at this point there is little hope.

[ProHawk]

Good point. I still haven't figured out how to do VCA yet with the extra votes tho.

[ProHawk]

Kndy having four votes in play is making me queasy.

[ProHawk]

Why? @prohawk

I assume this question is in Re: to Kndy and four votes.

Is there any reason why you don't have a problem with it?

[ProHawk]

Yes, scrambles, I can put it into words, and I will. But I wanted to see your thought process before I give you my thoughts. Even if its laziness at unvoting, its EXTREMELY anti-town at best.

There are only two scum. If you have four votes in play, you are contributing to AT LEAST two town-deaths, and that is best-case scenario that you have your other two votes on scum. The other problem is when I try and evaluate voting patterns and motivations. Its too hard to see because which of the four votes are "real" votes, or stated in a better manner, which one of the four votes does kndy ACTUALLY want dead? Its impossible to tell. She could be tossing a vote out on a scum-partner while pushing three other mis-lynches in order to refer back and say "hey guys I voted scum D1!"

[ProHawk]

Rose, here are my thoughts do far. ..

The unlimited voting is inherently anti town, the advantage in this setup for town is the double day consecutive lynch. We have the ability to judge a lynch, lynch, get a flip and base our second lunch off information from the first without having to lose someone to a night kill. Votes are important because it's a physical way to judge motivation. So to answer your question, it's in our best interest to have no more than two votes in play at a time. If you have more than two, it says to me you either aren't paying attention/don't understand what you are doing or you aren't actually genuinely scum hunting.

[ProHawk]

Oka, reads list/final post please.

[ProHawk]

I mean like you are going to be lynched soon. How do you feel about that?

[ProHawk]

And who is scum?

[ProHawk]

VOTE: Oka

All I smell is wifom for when you flip scum.

[ProHawk]

Again?

[ProHawk]

Yeah, you are still wifoming stuff.

[ProHawk]

Flubber, me Rosy and Xay are the melody in your tune.

[ProHawk]

You may be blacklisted.

[ProHawk]

UNVOTE: Oka
VOTE: ZZZX

[ProHawk]

His flail looks town. ZZZX is doing literally nothing, even post return from V/LA.

[ProHawk]

Hang on, gonna go check some meta real quick.

[ProHawk]

I'd love to see that post-game discussion actually.

[ProHawk]

Oka, you are just throwing garbage out there. Like X is town, Y is town, Never lynch Z. With no reasoning at all. You are rolling the dice, how does that look to you?

[ProHawk]

You roll scum a lot Oka. Answer me honestly, ever threatened a self-lynch as scum?

[ProHawk]

Any particular reason you are against ZZZX?

[ProHawk]

You went from town to scum on him in one post and now your scumread on him is based on stuff for the whole game?

^ is a natural town reaction IMO

[ProHawk]

EBWOP: The flip on me is a natural town reaction, not the "based on stuff for the whole game" part.

[ProHawk]

I just look through the games you have posted in... just realized the majority of yall here have lots of history together.

It's a natural town reaction because he knows his alignment, and if he is town its natural to be think that people attacking you are scum/to hunt from your wagon.

Why not ZZZXXX?

[ProHawk]

He doesn't seem to be able to make up his mind.

We've already established this?

[ProHawk]

VOTE: ZZZZX

Too tired to figure out what that flip means at the moment.

[ProHawk]

And Oka, dont be so vindictive, its destructive.

[ProHawk]

In fact, I am going to help you real quick.

VOTE: zzzx
VOTE: prohawk

Are you saying that none of the people who helped lynch town are scum?

[ProHawk]

Start by inviting plz

[ProHawk]

Right, just keep your conf-bias forever.

[ProHawk]

VOTE: hephastus

[ProHawk]

The Oka wagon was driving itself at that point anyway so might as well save it for later, especially since the Flubber wagon wouldn't take off as easily if Oka had been lynched instead.

You're wrong. I read him as town. There is no saving it for later because I don't lynch my town-reads unless something drastic happens.

[ProHawk]

Okay, show me how I was trying to get him lynched post me caLling him prob town

[ProHawk]

So if I am not voTing for him, not attacking him, but pushing for his lynch, and calling him town, tell me again how I am getting him lynched or saving him for later. ..

[ProHawk]

VOTE: hephastus

Nice omgus

And?

[ProHawk]

Also "unless something drastic happens", still keeping your options open huh?

There is no way you can be town.

[ProHawk]

This is a stupid rebuttal of course no one is going to lynch their town reads??

If this was a stupid rebuttal, why are you hypothesizing that I am going to lynch Oka later-on-down-the-road?

[ProHawk]

Read Heph's post

Translation: I can't explain it, so do this thing that won't help or explain anything but will absolve me from needing to answer.

[ProHawk]

I can do this too!

Hawk saw the possibility of a different lynch going through so he stepped back to see where it went. The Oka wagon was driving itself at that point anyway

so might as well save it for later

, especially since the Flubber wagon wouldn't take off as easily if Oka had been lynched instead. Now he can hold Oka responsible for the mislynch after pushing him to join that wagon by putting him at L-1

so might as well save it for later

so might as well save it for later

so might as well save it for later

[ProHawk]

Not to mention, wagons don't drive themselves.

[ProHawk]

ok, I will play. Please restate what you think his point was in your own words.

[ProHawk]

So you agree that the he is saying I am going to mislynch Oka in the future?

[ProHawk]

it seems like you're arguing just to argue

Who is the one who brought up the argument?

[ProHawk]

you hopping off the Oka wagon helped Flubber be the lynch instead of Oka.

Saying I am scum for the Flubber mis-lynch is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

[ProHawk]

Again, you don't need to be on or push an Oka lynch wagon for it to happen

According to this logic I don't need to even be in the freaking game for it to happen. *slowclap*

What you fail to understand is that he is IMPLYING that I will play a part in lynching Oka which I merely stated was untrue.

[ProHawk]

UNVOTE: TheAdrienC

[ProHawk]

Because obviously we are scum together..... oka stop for one second and use that thing you are carrying around on your neck.

[ProHawk]

Why am I scum oka?

[ProHawk]

Oka is probably someone I would mislynch on purpose because he hasn't learned to scum hunt and instead relies on conf-bias/emotions/anger to lynch people instead of actually legitimately find scum.

Hey Oka, you were the one I was pushing to be lynched and stopped. Why exactly does this make me scum?

Oka says my posts don't get us anywhere, need I quote your incessant posts of lynch hawk guys! Lynch him! Lynch him with extreme prejudice! Or need I say your posts declaring people scum or town with no reasoning whatsoever? Your posts are way way less productive than mine are. I was able to push you enough to see you were town. What have your posts done? You need to actually start thinking about this game or I will help scum lynch you so you don't make it to lylo only to kill us.

[ProHawk]

Ok you also random voted after RVS was over and I'm going to wait a long time for an explanation aren't i.

ProHawk, you're on. Explain why you think Hephaestus is scum

Will do when I get to a computer

[ProHawk]

Droog, I am still working on my post for Heph, but Adrien isn't Kndy's replacement, that would be Heph.

[ProHawk]

Right, so

Kndys' slot was pretty iffy on the amount of

actual

scum-hunting going on. The four votes at one time was bad, but may have just been a factor of poor-play however we can't ever really tell because she just flaked out.

Hephastus' push feels like a scummy case to me. He comes up with this narrative that I am scum because I stepped back from Oka's lynch. He feels like scum derailed a wagon (Oka?), which makes no sense unless Oka were scum (and he isn't voting Oka) but again is a jab at me "de-railing" Oka's lynch. Using buzzwords like "omgus" to paint a negative image of myself and twisting my words to imply a negative meaning ("keeping my options open").

Nothing from his narrative of me being scum is actually factual or correct (Oka being responsible for the mislynch of flubber, saving an Oka wagon for later, etc).

[ProHawk]

I'm glad you came around Oka!

[ProHawk]

EXACTLY! That is my point exactly, his narrative doesn't make a load of sense. But since he has hired you to be his lawyer... the part about him thinking Oka has to be scum was in regards to his talk about the "derailing" of a wagon due to multiple votes.

So if you could be so kind... explain what wagon de-railed. Why it de-railed, and why scum would want to de-rail it.

Kthx.

[ProHawk]

NM, I get what you are saying. In his first post he isn't saying Oka is scum.

Not voting you yet because I feel like the multiple votes system gives scum the chance to derail wagons more easily (as evidenced by what just happened)

THIS is where he implies Oka is scum, unless you can tell me why scum would de-rail a town-lynch?

[ProHawk]

My guess is one on and one off.

N_M seems to be trying to figure stuff out?

[ProHawk]

If he'd flipped town, ProHawk would be the most likely next lynch.

Why? Why would I have been the next lynch? Out of everyone else that contributed to the lynch, what was it that made me stand out exactly? Heck, if the majority of people thought he was scum and STILL think he is scum why would they blame me exactly?

But here, lets see narrative Version 1 ~

Hawk saw the possibility of a different lynch going through so he stepped back to see where it went. The Oka wagon was driving itself at that point anyway so might as well save it for later, especially since the Flubber wagon wouldn't take off as easily if Oka had been lynched instead. Now he can hold Oka responsible for the mislynch after pushing him to join that wagon by putting him at L-1

Compare it to Version 2 ~

Ok I will explain this one more time though N_M is pretty much spot on

Here's the thing: Oka should've gotten lynched rather than Flubber. If he'd flipped town, ProHawk would be the most likely next lynch. I am 90% sure either Oka or ProHawk is scum, reading up I felt like this was a very likely sequence of events to happen that would result in at least 1 lynched scum D1 -- but then the Oka wagon was derailed by Hawk jumping off, right as people were pushing for a hammer - I may be wrong but I feel the Flubber wagon wasn't as serious as the Oka one at this point and not that likely to be pushed through at a different moment

In short my case is that ProHawk knew people would be looking at him in case of an Oka town flip so he decided to get his ass off the wagon last minute.

First, I am scum because I wanted a different lynch to go through and was going to lynch Oka later. Next I am scum because apparently I would have been under intense scrutiny if Oka had flipped town and therefore jumped ship. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. I suppose I can commend you on your persistence.

[ProHawk]

OMGUS isn't a tell-all for scum JSYK, but it is used by scum to push lynches because its "easy", hence the "buzzword".

[ProHawk]

How does that imply Oka is scum?? At all????

You said I had derailed Oka's wagon by unvoting.
You said that multiple votes system gives scum the chance to derail wagons.
You said that derailing a wagon had just happened.
You voted me and said I was scum.

Therefore.

As scum, the main reason to derail a wagon is to save a partner. AKA that would point to Oka being scum WITH me. I guess you could stretch and say that I wanted to derail a wagon to make it look like Oka was my partner, although it would have been better to just lynch him IMO. Although now you are saying I derailed it in order to not look bad, although somehow my derailing it made me look bad so I don't see what you think I accomplished with my kick-butt-scum-plan there...

[ProHawk]

The talk about whether or not scum have day-chat?

[ProHawk]

I don't get the difference between being scum and something being scummy, I kinda view them as synonymous?

[ProHawk]

Heph if oka flips scum does that make me town?

[ProHawk]

Rather, I've got no clue why Oka hasn't been lynched yet.

I would like to hear some of your other reads.

[ProHawk]

All I have got is Oka at the top as far as town reads, and Heph at the bottom as far as scum reads. Haven't really sorted the in-between yet.

[ProHawk]

Heph feels like scum pushing his case, he seems to have a good handle of whats going on but is pushing me for hypothetical stuff using Oka's alignment as a crutch when we haven't even seen his alignment yet. His predecessor was also really distant and anti-town.

Oka's near death flail was really town, or EXTREMELY good acting.

You and Doog feel like town v town arguing.

Not real sure about Xayxeck and I thought rose was town last I remember.

N_M is about the most middle of the road that I have.

[ProHawk]

Droog, I think your case has a lot to do with semantics here.

I also don't necessarily agree with the whole scum would notice day-chat or no day-chat because I know as scum would avoid tying myself to anything that could link me as scum.

[ProHawk]

Rather, I've got no clue why Oka hasn't been lynched yet.

I would like to hear some of your other reads.

I will continue to quote this.

[ProHawk]

Why did you unvote Heph?

[ProHawk]

We had one. You disbanded it.

[ProHawk]

Because with two votes its not a contender when we have what two days left?

[ProHawk]

Which means people on the last-minute-get-a-lynch-train will go... oh, the only one close enough to lynch is Oka. Vote Oka. Vote Oka cause we can't no lynch! Vote. Oka.

[ProHawk]

Heph is voting for two people, reluctantly.

[ProHawk]

Look! We can lynch Heph with your help and de-stagnate the game. Oka is town

[ProHawk]

The thing I see is no one is openly fighting the Heph lynch, but people are openly fighting the Oka lynch. 2

[ProHawk]

Passive resistance when scum is trying to counter a lynch they don't want.

[ProHawk]

Sooo... I am kinda at a loss as to who is scum. I will do some re-reading.

[ProHawk]

Sorry droog, been kinda busy, anything specific you would like to see from me?

Xay's tunnel on Oka is strange to me. He won't comment to any of my specified questions, and I don't recall a smoking gun case from him yet he insists Oka is pratically conf-scum.

[ProHawk]

Adrien wasn't on my radar so I would have to do a lot of digging to see it. I hated N_M's initial foray into the game, and his hammer and defense of said hammer seemed scummy to me. Already kinda commented on Xay's tunnel which I could see having scum-utility.

[ProHawk]

So an NM/Xay scum team is plausible to you?

How did you even come up with this from what he said?

[ProHawk]

Unfortunately I don't have the time tonight, so it will ave to wait for tomorrow.

[ProHawk]

Do you think Droog is town?

[ProHawk]

Here is a quick break-down of votes:

Spoiler: VC's Up to First Lynch

Vote Count #1.1:

Not_Mafia:

OkaPoka, ProHawk (2)

OkaPoka:

ProHawk, Not_Mafia (2)

ProHawk:

Not_Mafia (1)

Flubbernugget:

Not_Mafia (1)

roseylily:

Not_Mafia (1)

scrambles:

Not_Mafia (1)

Xayzeck:

Not_Mafia (1)

kyndy101:

Not_Mafia (1)

ZZZX:

Not_Mafia (1)

Not Voting:

Flubbernugget

,

roseylily

, scrambles, Xayzeck,

kyndy101

, ZZZX

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.2:

Not_Mafia:

OkaPoka, ProHawk, ZZZX

kyndy101

(4)

OkaPoka:

ProHawk, Not_Mafia,

kyndy101

(3)

roseylily:

Not_Mafia, OkaPoka (2)

Xayzeck:

Not_Mafia,

roseylily

(2)

Flubbernugget:

Not_Mafia (1)

scrambles:

Not_Mafia (1)

kyndy101:

Not_Mafia (1)

ZZZX:

Not_Mafia (1)

Not Voting:

Flubbernugget

, scrambles, Xayzeck

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.3:

Not_Mafia:

OkaPoka, ZZZX,

kyndy101

, scrambles (4)

Xayzeck:

Not_Mafia,

roseylily

, ProHawk (3)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia,

kyndy101

(2)

scrambles:

Not_Mafia, ProHawk (2)

roseylily:

OkaPoka (1)

ZZZX:

Not_Mafia (1)

Not Voting:

Flubbernugget

, Xayzeck

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.4:

Not_Mafia:

OkaPoka, ZZZX,

kyndy101

(3)

Xayzeck:

Not_Mafia,

roseylily

, ProHawk (3)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia,

kyndy101

, scrambles (3)

scrambles:

Not_Mafia, ProHawk (2)

ZZZX:

Not_Mafia, OkaPoka (2)

Flubbernugget:

Xayzeck, Not_Mafia (2)

roseylily:

OkaPoka (1)

ProHawk:

Xayzeck (1)

kyndy101:

scrambles (1)

Not Voting:

Flubbernugget

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.5:

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia,

kyndy101

, scrambles (3)

Flubbernugget:

Xayzeck, Not_Mafia, OkaPoka (3)

Not_Mafia:

ZZZX,

kyndy101

(2)

scrambles:

Not_Mafia, ProHawk (2)

ZZZX:

Not_Mafia, OkaPoka (2)

kyndy101:

scrambles, OkaPoka (2)

roseylily:

OkaPoka (1)

ProHawk:

Xayzeck (1)

Xayzeck:

Not_Mafia (1)

Not Voting:

Flubbernugget

,

roseylily

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.6:

ZZZX:

Not_Mafia, OkaPoka, scrambles,

Flubbernugget

(4)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia,

kyndy101

, scrambles (3)

Flubbernugget:

Xayzeck, Not_Mafia, OkaPoka (3)

Not_Mafia:

ZZZX,

kyndy101

(2)

scrambles:

Not_Mafia, ProHawk (2)

kyndy101:

OkaPoka,

Flubbernugget

(2)

ProHawk:

Xayzeck (1)

Xayzeck:

Not_Mafia (1)

Not Voting:

roseylily

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.7:

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia,

kyndy101

, scrambles (3)

Flubbernugget:

Xayzeck, Not_Mafia, OkaPoka (3)

Not_Mafia:

ZZZX,

kyndy101

(2)

ZZZX:

scrambles,

Flubbernugget

(2)

kyndy101:

OkaPoka,

Flubbernugget

(2)

scrambles:

ProHawk (1)

ProHawk:

Xayzeck (1)

Not Voting:

roseylily

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.8:

Flubbernugget:

Xayzeck, Not_Mafia, OkaPoka,

kyndy101

(4)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia,

kyndy101

, scrambles (3)

Not_Mafia:

ZZZX,

kyndy101

,

roseylily

(3)

ProHawk:

Xayzeck,

kyndy101

,

roseylily

(3)

ZZZX:

scrambles,

Flubbernugget

(2)

kyndy101:

OkaPoka,

Flubbernugget

(2)

scrambles:

ProHawk (1)

Not Voting:

None.

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.9:

Flubbernugget:

Xayzeck, Not_Mafia, OkaPoka,

kyndy101

(4)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia,

kyndy101

, scrambles (3)

Not_Mafia:

ZZZX,

kyndy101

,

roseylily

(3)

ProHawk:

Xayzeck,

kyndy101

,

roseylily

(3)

kyndy101:

OkaPoka,

Flubbernugget

, ProHawk (3)

ZZZX:

scrambles,

Flubbernugget

(2)

Not Voting:

None.

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.10:

Flubbernugget:

Xayzeck , OkaPoka,

kyndy101

(3)

Not_Mafia:

ZZZX,

kyndy101

,

roseylily

(3)

kyndy101:

OkaPoka,

Flubbernugget

,

ProHawk

(3)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia,

kyndy101

, Xayzeck (3)

ZZZX:

scrambles,

Flubbernugget

(2)

ProHawk:

kyndy101

(1)

Not Voting:

None.

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.11:

Flubbernugget:

Xayzeck , OkaPoka,

kyndy101

, Not_Mafia (4)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia,

kyndy101

, Xayzeck,

Flubbernugget

(4)

ZZZX:

scrambles,

Flubbernugget

, ProHawk (3)

Not_Mafia:

ZZZX,

kyndy101

,

roseylily

(3)

kyndy101:

Flubbernugget

, ProHawk (2)

ProHawk:

kyndy101

, OkaPoka (2)

Not Voting:

None.

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.12 (FIRST LYNCH):

Flubbernugget:

Xayzeck, OkaPoka,

hephaestus

, Not_Mafia,

roseylily

(5)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia,

hephaestus

, Xayzeck,

Flubbernugget

(4)

ZZZX:

scrambles,

Flubbernugget

, ProHawk (3)

Not_Mafia:

ZZZX,

hephaestus

,

roseylily

(3)

hephaestus:

Flubbernugget

, ProHawk (2)

ProHawk:

hephaestus

, OkaPoka (2)

Not Voting:

None.

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Spoiler: VC's up to Second Lynch

Vote Count #1.13:

ZZZX:

OkaPoka, ProHawk, scrambles (3)

ProHawk:

OkaPoka,

hephaestus

(2)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia (1)

Not Voting:

roseylily

, Xayzeck, ZZZX

With 8 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.14:

ZZZX:

OkaPoka, ProHawk, scrambles (3)

ProHawk:

OkaPoka,

hephaestus

(2)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia (1)

hephaestus:

ProHawk (1)

Not Voting:

roseylily

, Xayzeck, ZZZX

With 8 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.15:

TheAdrienC:

OkaPoka, scrambles (2)

ProHawk:

OkaPoka,

hephaestus

(2)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia (1)

hephaestus:

ProHawk (1)

Not Voting:

roseylily

, Xayzeck, TheAdrienC

With 8 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.16:

TheAdrienC:

OkaPoka, droog (2)

ProHawk:

OkaPoka,

hephaestus

(2)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia, Xayzeck (2)

hephaestus:

ProHawk (1)

Not Voting:

roseylily

, TheAdrienC

With 8 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.17:

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia, Xayzeck,

roseylily

(3)

hephaestus:

ProHawk, OkaPoka, droog (3)

TheAdrienC:

droog (1)

ProHawk:

hephaestus

(1)

roseylily:

OkaPoka (1)

Not Voting:

TheAdrienC

With 8 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.18:

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia, Xayzeck,

roseylily

(3)

hephaestus:

ProHawk, OkaPoka, droog (3)

TheAdrienC:

droog (1)

ProHawk:

hephaestus

(1)

roseylily:

OkaPoka (1)

Not_Mafia:

TheAdrienC (1)

Not Voting:

None.

With 8 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.19:

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia, Xayzeck,

roseylily

(3)

hephaestus:

ProHawk, OkaPoka, droog (3)

TheAdrienC:

droog (1)

ProHawk:

hephaestus

(1)

roseylily:

OkaPoka (1)

Not_Mafia:

TheAdrienC (1)

Not Voting:

None.

With 8 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.20:

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia, Xayzeck,

roseylily

(3)

hephaestus:

ProHawk, OkaPoka, TheAdrienC (3)

Not_Mafia:

TheAdrienC,

hephaestus

(2)

roseylily:

OkaPoka, droog (2)

TheAdrienC:

droog (1)

ProHawk:

hephaestus

(1)

Not Voting:

None.

With 8 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count #1.21 (FINAL):

hephaestus:

ProHawk, OkaPoka, TheAdrienC, droog, Not_Mafia (5)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia, Xayzeck,

roseylily

(3)

Not_Mafia:

TheAdrienC,

hephaestus

(2)

roseylily:

OkaPoka (1)

TheAdrienC:

droog (1)

ProHawk:

hephaestus

(1)

Not Voting:

None.

With 8 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[ProHawk]

I highly doubt the Flubbernugget wagon is all town, so I am going to start there:

I also highly doubt that both Xayzeck and OkaPoka are both scum, so one of the two must be town.

For me, the two most probable flips turning up scum are Xayzeck and Not_Mafia. The problem with my analysis is I am kinda convinced that Oka isn't scum from his near-death-experience. I also have a hard time seeing the D1 push on me being all town.

[ProHawk]

At a quick glance, I would be happy lynching out of Xayzeck and Not_Mafia at this juncture.

[ProHawk]

Oka isn't scum from his near-death-experience

Not sure I see this

A lot of the reasons you put into your case post were reasons why I voted Oka and contributed to his melt-down, but I will go re-read it again to see if I get the same impression I did when I experienced it.

[ProHawk]

NM has a better chance of flipping scum over Adrien at this point looking at the votes.

[ProHawk]

I'm not really feeling the N_M lynch...

[ProHawk]

Does anyone think Oka AND Xay are both town?

[ProHawk]

Not confident in Xay scum if Notmafia flips town by PoE and how you defended NM a few times.

So no one who lynched town on the first lynch of D1 was scum?

[ProHawk]

Undecided here, but gut is telling me Xay.

[ProHawk]

Adrien wasn't on the first D1 lynch. Not a good lynch choice.

N_M is a better lynch choice probabilistically, however my gut is saying he is town... so I don't really want to lynch him yet.

Gut says Xayzeck is scum cause I can't believe everyone pushing me to be lynched D1 over that bogus active-lurking bit was town.

I'm conflicted. Oh yeah, not to mention that there are two people ON BOTH lead wagons is giving me the willies.

[ProHawk]

VOTE: Xayzeck
VOTE: droog

[ProHawk]

haha. Are you the principle?

[ProHawk]

Please explain my vote on you?

[ProHawk]

Explain what you are going to do with a flip.

[ProHawk]

Dude, we have had three flips. You haven't evaluated them. AT ALL. One more flip does nothing for you. You aren't wanting to lynch scum. You are on both lead lynches.

[ProHawk]

You think the scum team is N_M and Adrien?

P-EDIT: Unless you think I am scum, there is not resistance to either lynch. Like they are counter to eachother, so it doesn't make any sense that they could BOTH be scum.

[ProHawk]

For starters, they want each-other dead. There is no resistance. Doesn't make sense to bus when scum are just about there to win.

[ProHawk]

mind i am also fine with a world where adrien is the only scum out of adrien/nm

Then no scum lynched Flubber? Or who is it that helped lynch him? I don't see Adrian's lie (you might have to make it really really simple for me, like Adrian said X, here is proof that X is a lie.). Also, I will agree that I didn't like N_M's hammer but I have seen town do as much as well.

[ProHawk]

Here is what I am most worried about, we lynch N_M and he flips town. Then you go after Adrian because "other scum" and he is town. Game over. You win.

[ProHawk]

if adrien is scum and nm isnt scum
then it's you/oka/xay

You're right, I got my logic screwed up somewhere.

UNVOTE: droog

Hey N_M and Adrien, you guys going to switch votes or just keep this as a 1v1?

[ProHawk]

This is my intent to vote you N_M, please make your final post.

[ProHawk]

Sorry if you're town NM but your lynch should help with PoE and I can't get anyone to lynch Xayzeck.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[ProHawk]

Kinda wished you had helped push Xay more.

[ProHawk]

Keep telling yourself that

[ProHawk]

No you freaking scums, it's oka or Zeph. If you are town get your freaking vote off NOW.

[ProHawk]

Here is what I am most worried about, we lynch N_M and he flips town. Then you go after Adrian because "other scum" and he is town. Game over. You win.

Glad to see my prediction wasn't halfway insane.

[ProHawk]

Anyone up for an adrien lynch?

VOTE: adrieb

This sequence of quotes almost nails you as scum IMO

[ProHawk]

I have been consistent on adrieb all day dude

Scum can tunnel town all day. Whats your point?

Your thing is "ADRIEN LIED ADRIEN LIED" but you can't exactly point to where.

[ProHawk]

If you REALLY wanted an Adrien lynch, YOU DON"T VOTE FOR HIS COUNTER WAGON!!!!!! YOU PUSH FOR HIS LYNCH AND NOT THE OTHER GUY. THE END. You are scum pushing for two mislynches in a row. I told you his N_M's flip wouldn't do jack for you.

[ProHawk]

I never suspected both, I suspected it MIGHT be N_M because of votes. There was never an either/or with Adrien and N_M. I am still at a loss as to where their connection was made.

We have a 50/50 shot of lynching scum from Oka/Xayzeck. Unless scum managed a D1 lynch with zero scum on the wagon.

You are blood-thirsty and STILL haven't moved your vote, despite having two scum remaining in the game that could coordinate a quick-hammer if your vote is wrong which you don't seem the least bit worried about. I wonder why...

[ProHawk]

Xay+droog

or

Adrien + Prohawk

Would love to hear which way you are leaning on this and why.

[ProHawk]

I am kinda sad that you have been on EVERY mis-lynch this entire game Oka.

[ProHawk]

Xay+droog

or

Adrien + Prohawk

Would love to hear which way you are leaning on this and why.

Also need to know which of the pairs you want to lynch first and why please.

[ProHawk]

Its not Oka. It's Xay.

Oka and Xay are linked because they are the last two people on the first flubber D1 mis-lynch. Tell me again how adrien and NM were linked.

[ProHawk]

Why isn't it town v town? In what world can two townies not attack eachother?

Pro-Tip: OMGUS isn't directly linked to scum-behavior.

[ProHawk]

If I find out you aren't scum I am going to ring your neck post-game for playing as anti-town as you can get even if Adrien is scum because your case on him is absolute trash.

[ProHawk]

You haven't made a case. Thats my point. You said, ADRIEN LIED! I said, show me where. You botched up a few quotes that didn't show a lie. Next?

Also, the fighting started with N_M, guess what? He isn't scum.

[ProHawk]

Are you saying the scum team is now Adrien/ProHawk?

[ProHawk]

I think everyone is scum to Oka. That would make more sense considering his voting pattern and all...

We aren't lynching Droog today. We are going to lynch the more concrete version of scum and let the remaining scum pick the remaining two town to battle with.

[ProHawk]

If I were to say... Scum are much more likely to vote first in MYLO, am I implying you are scum or town Droog?

P-EDIT: Please read my past-post on priorities. If you want someone lynched, you don't support their counter-wagon as well.

[ProHawk]

Well can we compromise on a Xay lynch since we all like it?

This is what is going to happen today.

[ProHawk]

I'm not going to sift through your posts because I don't recall you explaining yourself.

You said: Adrien lied by saying you said you called him scum for pointing out day-talk.

You did say: Scum are more likely to point out day-talk than town.

Ergo, you imply Adrien is scum for pointing out day-talk because did he point out day talk. It's like not even a stretch. You didn't say "You pointed out day-talk, you are scum", but your implication was there or you wouldn't have said it (scum being more likely to do X) in the first place.

So how exactly is that a lie from Adrien?

[ProHawk]

i am going to cry if we dont lynch adrien

D1 mislynch on Flubber. All town? Yes or No.

[ProHawk]

I'm more sure about droog than Xaydeck.

This doesn't make sense if you are town. Unless you are just doing exactly what you accused and voted N_M for

[ProHawk]

D1 mislynch on Flubber. All town? Yes or No.

Droog needs to answer this.

Everyone else needs to answer this.

[ProHawk]

Now explain to me how Droog is safer than Xay

[ProHawk]

As for the first lynch, very, very unlikely it was all town. I'd wager at least one scum was on it.

Droog wasn't on that lynch.

[ProHawk]

I am saying, if you think one scum was on the lynch, that leaves Oka and Xay.

If you are hunting off the lynch, that leaves Me, You, and Droog. I realize if you eliminate yourself it still gives you a 50/50, but then you have to convince one of the two of us, whereas with Oka and Xay its a definite 50/50 with Oka's towning up his almost eating rope, I don't think there is much question between which of the two is scum.

[ProHawk]

Although with Droog having left his vote on you for so long with no coordinated hammer almost guarantees one of you two as scum anyhow.

[ProHawk]

VOTE: unvote

Pretty sure this unvote doesn't count, might want to do it right, or not since one of you two is scum anyway and we aren't going to get a quick-hammer.

[ProHawk]

Although with Droog having left his vote on you for so long with no coordinated hammer almost guarantees one of you two as scum anyhow.

If this is true then I know one of the alignments for sure so I better do this then.

Vote: droog

Don't make me pick between you. We are going to lynch Xay.

[ProHawk]

Wouldn't it just be easier to mislynch and win?

[ProHawk]

I hate this game. WE ARE LYNCHING XAY. Get it into your heads.

[ProHawk]

Droog, I can't tell if you are just plain dumb or scum. I would like to think the latter.

[ProHawk]

Here is a quick flow-chart for all you blinded by greed.

Was the Flubber lynch all townies? Y/N

If Yes -----> Was Oka's breakdown town? Y/N

If Yes ------> Xayzeck MUST be scum.

If you answered no to any of these, speak now or forever hold your peace.

[ProHawk]

Now you gone done made me screw up my flowchart

Here is a quick flow-chart for all you blinded by greed.

Was the Flubber lynch all townies?

Was scum on the Flubber lynch? Y/N

If Yes -----> Was Oka's breakdown town? Y/N

If Yes ------> Xayzeck MUST be scum.

If you answered no to any of these, speak now or forever hold your peace.

I hope you understand my drift.

[ProHawk]

I'm fucking sick and tired of your Oka case being amounted to "his breakdown was town" when everything else in his play is scum

A lot of times its easier to see town than it is scum because a lot of things town do could be considered scummy. It's how mislynches happen. But I am not the only one with a town read on Oka...

[ProHawk]

Why does there have to be any other reason?

[ProHawk]

Oh yeah, its unlikely that Droog and Adrien are both town seeing how we haven't lost yet.

[ProHawk]

Well, you two aren't convincing me on who is scum out of Droog and Adrien, soooo

Xay, because I am too lazy to go look at your old posts, make a quick summary of why Oka is scum for me.

[ProHawk]

lol, not if the case has anything to do with Adrien lied, cause I am pretty sure you failed that route last time

[ProHawk]

Meta is silly, I don't really put a lot of stock in that.

His flips are odd and you may have a point there. You DEFINITELY have a point on the posting, fluff, etc which saddens me because I just can't get past his break-down being town.

[ProHawk]

At this point, you might convince me to vote out of Droog and Adrien. So maybe try that?

[ProHawk]

Meta has no credibility.

[ProHawk]

So here is where I am at:

I appealed to Xay to present an option between Adrien/Droog. That never happened which makes me believe he doesn't want to tip the scales one way or another because his lynch is coming down the pike soon. I don't see anything happening from now to deadline, so I am just going to vote.

VOTE: Xayzeck

[ProHawk]

At this point, you might convince me to vote out of Droog and Adrien. So maybe try that?

UNVOTE: Xayzeck

[ProHawk]

What makes me uncomfortable is that you're deliberately forcing me to look away from Oka, my only decent scumread, to decide between droog and adrien just because YOU want to. Any reason you're not entertaining my Oka case? Any reason you've chosen not to substantiate your Oka townread?

Any reason you want me to convince you between droog and adrien? It seems to me like you're doing a "give me a case on droog/adrien, or get lynched".

I'd also like to know, why are you scumreading me at all? This question is for Oka too. Oka, you said people have cased me for scum, I'd like to know, where are these cases?

Xay, that is EXACTLY what I am doing. I know it sucks being PoE'ed cause there isn't really a smoking gun case on you. It has little to do with your actual play. I suppose that's just what you get when you get down to LYLO.

I'm not entertaining your Oka case because nothing you have said makes me think that it trumps his reaction to being lynched which was: town. Which I don't remember you actually even addressing? Except getting upset that we are all town-reading him for it?

FWIW I am also leaning Droog for the exact reasons you pointed out. But I am doubting that he would be so forward as scum at the same time.

[ProHawk]

Not only does it not make sense, its like superficial.

[ProHawk]

And was kinda waiting for a response from Xay.

[ProHawk]

Adrien didn't lie. Case dismantled.