Micro 392: The Assassin has regained control of the village!

[GrayFoxxxx]

All Hail Mantis!

[GrayFoxxxx]

No official voting, no. I think it's beneficial to have votes out at all times, though. After all, a King who doesn't listen to his subjects at all may not be a particularly good king, don't you think?

well ok. this is a little silly scripten, no? how can there not be official voting, yet voting at the same time. any votes won't be count anyway. it's just that the votes are there... unofficially as a way to keep track of everyone's voting preferences/stances

I'm a little confused as to why you think what Script said was silly.

[GrayFoxxxx]

so king and kingmaker... are the same thing.

I'm not so sure about this philosophy. Kingmaker is always town. Not the King.
Not to emply anything M'Lord.

[GrayFoxxxx]

VOTE: Grayfoxxxx

That's a lot of x's. Like, one more than there should be.

Well 3 x's just didn't seem exxxxtreme enough.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I also misspelled imply...

[GrayFoxxxx]

oh shit nikanor, you got told.

it was kinda obvious that since he knew it didn't count, that he was just messing around, wasn't it?


i knew it couldn't have counted ...

I dont think it was serious. Rules are rules I guess.

[GrayFoxxxx]

After consulting both a non-player and a List Mod, I have decided that Nikanor is receiving an

official warning for violating Rule 5.3

. Any further violations of this or similar rules

will result in a modkill from here on out

. It is your job as the player to familiarize yourself with and follow the rules, and I suggest you all make sure you know them well. Let me remind you that these rules are for the sake of the fun of the game, not to be unnecessarily restrictive, and this is partly why this infraction did not result in a modkill. The other part is only the claiming of a Kingmaker is explicitly stated as modkill-worthy in the

official wiki rules

, and it is not implied that any modkill action need apply to those that attempt to execute who are not King.

can i use

Eggsecute:

though?!!

Only if you have the 2nd Gym badge.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Foxxx are you flavor hinting for town cred?

Googled flavor hinting and didn't find anything other than a nice chili recipe.

Could you expand on this question, so I can give a better answer?

Also going to do some ISO's

TONIGHT

.

[GrayFoxxxx]

[GrayFoxxxx]

Sabbath

Spoiler:

post 7

Not sure if correcting Script, or asking if votes count. Null

post 9

Votes self in jest. I guess because technically votes don't count. Still Null

post 22

First town move. Asks why Nika is sure Mantis is aligned with her.

post 27

Another town move. Declares he doesn't like Nika and gives a clear reason.

post 46

Slightly defending Mantis (All Hail the King). No real read off of this.

post 56

Answers a question for Mantis (All Hail the King). Felt like Sabbath was indirectly calling Scripts view on Nika OMGUS.

post 67

Respoding to Scripts remark. Nothing really to read off of.

post 77

Fishing for info. Or trying to seem like it. Towny looking at his other posts.

Slight town

[GrayFoxxxx]

All Hail Mantis!

I'm not so sure about this philosophy. Kingmaker is always town. Not the King.
Not to emply anything M'Lord.

The m'lord and All hail mantis. It isn't a post restriction. It looks like flavor hinting. Like this...

Oh I see. Seems like I was flavor hinting, my good sir.

[GrayFoxxxx]

More ISO's coming up. Nika next.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Nika

Spoiler:

post 10

Fluff.

post 11

Fluff

post 14

Alot of other things are Fluff, so I am taking this post serious. Wants someone lynched with no reason. Town doesn't do this.

post 16

Lol.

post 18

Correcting Script. Odd Nika picks this post to get serious about.

post 19

This sent up a big red flag.

post 21

Just not comfortable with this statement.

post 26

Throwing shade on Script. No substance.

post 29

Fluff. Dodging.

post 41

Fluff.

post 75

Fluff.

post 76

No substance. Seems like Nika is tunneling Script with nothing to back it.

post 81

Just dodges the question so hard.

post 82

Fluff.

post 87

Fluff.

post 88

Votes Sabbath. No reasoning. Why the sudden change of heart? Screams scum.

post 91

Fluff.

post 94

Fluff.

post 96

Fluff.

Hard to get a confident read with all the fluff. The current evidence points to

Hard Scum

[GrayFoxxxx]

Script

Spoiler:

post 6
RVS. Script is obv. not extreme enough.

post 8

Encourages voting. Voting would benefit town more often than scum.

post 17

Slight scumhunting. Also asks about kingmakers 2nd pick.

post 20

Wierd post when the context was the Second day pick. Not sure what this means as far as alignment.

post 19

More scum hunting Nika.

post 28

Nothing special here. Shows he doesn't exactly know kingmaker role rules. Kingmaker would know.

post 52

Gives reads, but I really like the last line questioning Mantis.(Looking back I accidentally merged 52 and 54, dont feel like fixing now)

post 64

Towniest post.Gives scum meta when asked, and also gives reasoning for his thoughts on Nika.

post 70

Kinda fluffy. Elaborates on Nika and Mantis.

post 73

Sticking to his guns.

Hard Town

[GrayFoxxxx]

Mantis coming up after food.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Mantis

Spoiler:

post 12

RVS.

post 24

Town wouldn't have a soft spot. Light interaction with Nika.

post 25

Nothing special here. Trying to figure out game mechanics.

post 30

Defending Nika. Valid point. Also says kingmaker and king are the same. Dont get it.

post 31

Grammar

post 32

Grammar

post 33

Confusing post.

post 38

Nothing telling.

Null

Not a whole lot to go off of. Doesn't really matter today anyway, King wont kill himself.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Very good time to double your post count there Mantis. Jeez

[GrayFoxxxx]

Quinoa

Spoiler:

Wtf.

Slight scum

[GrayFoxxxx]

Nazarene

Spoiler:

post 44

Jumps right in. That part is towny. His reads gave off a vibe, and it wasn't a great one. Do like the Mantis vote.

post 47

Trying to get Quinoa to give some info. Townish.

post 51

Direct questioning. Not a hard question to ask though.

post 53

Slight meta read on a Hydra. Nothing specific.

post 57

Not sure if serious. If so it's a bad move as a town.

post 58

Fishing for info. Or posturing.

post 62

Nothing here folks.

post 71

No alignment tells in this post.

post 72

Calling out Quinoa. That's it.

post 74

Mistype.

post 79

Don't like this post at all. Uses meta way to strongly here. Makes me look at Script as poss. scum if Naz is scum.

Very slight scum

Almost feels like he could be trying to float by. Maybe just a shy townie.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Max

Spoiler:

post 48

Announces arrival.

post 50

Really confusing post. Sabbath seemed towny at this point. And really liking Nika? Idk man. Or is he trying to name scum pairs?

post 55

Gives reason for reads, and town reads Script. I like it.

post 65

Nothing special.

post 66

Fluff.

post 149

Fluff. Then calls Sabbath's posts fluff.

post 77

Explains some reads.

I don't like the bit of lurking he is doing but my gut is saying

Very slight town

[GrayFoxxxx]

Nazarene

Spoiler:

-snip-

Careful. Naz is a hydra of two players who are quite good at scumplay. Well, one head is pretty good by my estimate and the other is alleged to be good and I'm inclined to believe.

This iso is suspicious. I don't like that you would instantly scumread a hard town read based on another player whose also reading them as town flipping scum. (God that sentence hurts. Lemme know if it doesn't make sense.) This particular post rubs me the wrong way entirely.

I just dont like his reason for backing off of you so confidently. I'm not promising you are scum if he flipped scum, it would just be alot more plausible. I'm not sold the Naz is scum, these are just early Day 1 reads.

[GrayFoxxxx]

gray foxx come interact

Yes, my King.

Bemused sounds like amused. The whole meaning of it is very bemusing.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Whats his name?

Spoiler:

Clusk hasn't posted shit. Not a good idea.

Null

[GrayFoxxxx]

Day 1 early reads

Most town in order
GrayFoxxxx
Script
Sab
Max


Scummy
Nika
Quinoa
Naz

Null
Mantis
Clusk

[GrayFoxxxx]

Don't like this post at all. Uses meta way to strongly here. Makes me look at Script as poss. scum if Naz is scum.

Yeah but we're town so you can just assume Scripten to be town for the time being.

Very slight scum Almost feels like he could be trying to float by. Maybe just a shy townie.

Lol, me floating by.

This ISO thingy probably means town even if it is IIoA. But he should interact instead of writing about people.

Are you really saying that my Iso's are IIoA, directly after you respond to my analysis of you? Cmon bro.

I have interacted, I can give proof.

-Tier

[GrayFoxxxx]

though honestly a lot of my grayfoxx read comes from the fact that he chose to iso sabbath first & his iso on me (i haven't read the rest).

Are you mad I didn't pick you first?

[GrayFoxxxx]

Fluff. Then calls Sabbath's posts fluff.

difference being my fluff wasn't

pretending

to be content.

Just pointing out the irony. Also I dont think Sabb's post are all that fluffy, alot of iffy scumhunting but nothing has struck me as scum at this point.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Don't like this post at all. Uses meta way to strongly here. Makes me look at Script as poss. scum if Naz is scum.

Yeah but we're town so you can just assume Scripten to be town for the time being.

I am assumung Script is town. I dont get your point here. You are defending script instead of yourself.

My point is you backing of off Script the way you did seems scummy on your part. Does this indicate anything about Script? Probably not. But it could.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Sorry my post 171 got formatted wrong. Reply in bold.

[GrayFoxxxx]

That said, the ISO Grayfoxxxxx gave on Naz makes me kind of suspicious of a GF/Naz scumteam. I didn't like the way GF implied that Naz flipping scum would implicate me as scum because of a read Naz gave. Felt massively fake. A little WIFOM-y, though, so I'm on the fence there.

You would not be autoscum. Naz's reason was scummy, and I was speculating he could be killing two birds with one stone. 1.A False read 2. Make you seem more town. Again just speculation.

Is that the only part of that ISO that is bothering you?

[GrayFoxxxx]

GrayFoxx, what inspired you to do such grand, extensive ISO's?

The people. I did it for the people.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Naz can you reply to my post 171

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'm an over-the-top player, deal with it!

Naz can you reply to my post 171

[Are you really saying that my Iso's are IIoA, directly after you respond to my analysis of you? Cmon bro.

I have interacted, I can give proof.

You're

analysing

every single post, so that is always IIoA. You're describing people in your ISO search instead of pointing out discrepancies and asking about them.

Aegor will catch up today, he promised.
-Tier

I am dealing with it by saying it is scummy.

I have gave plenty of analysis.

IIoA- information INSTEAD of analysis. You even refuted my analysis. HOW CAN IT BE IIOA IF THERE IS ANALYSIS TO DISAGREE WITH?

The mafia wiki says scum like to throw are buzzwords like this. It's even worse because IIoA makes zero sense in this situation. Why are you tring to twist my words?

Naz

Is now my strongest scum read.

[GrayFoxxxx]

@Sabbath:

Why am I so town to you?

Can I please know which head josh is so I can attempt to use the very little meta I have to at least aid me in my read on you?

@grey: can you link me to a completed towngame and a completed scumgame of yours? Preferably as many as possible from either category.

@mod: do mafia have daytalk?

-Tier

Are you going to reply to my last post?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=58712 First town game

Don't have any scum games.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Sure, I'll explain it once more.
By talking about every post and calling the majority of them null, you fill your posts, without providing a lot of content. You mark individual posts as fluffy or slightly scummy, without thinking about the whole picture, what views someone is having, what someone is pushing, etc. You just talk about everything that comes by. This makes your posts full of

information

, but thin on

analysis

. As such, information instead of analysis, or IIoA. IIoA is a pretty decent scumtell these days.

In your town game, I saw a lot of questions asked instead of the only commenting you are doing here. Why do you presume that is?
I also saw your ISO was void of any (in my opinion useless) ISO reads as presented here. What made you want to do ISO reads here?
-Tier

2 null reads out of 9 isn't majority. And if you are talking about individual posts you try to analyze the ones I didn't get reads from.

First you say I had no analysis now you call it thin. you could call any analysis thin at that point. I repeat, IIoA does not work here. Very scummy to keep pushing it.

Are you really trying to Meta me off of my first noob game? Weak. Show me one person who still plays the way they did in their first game.

I did the ISO's because I wanted to.

[GrayFoxxxx]

@mod: do mafia have daytalk?

-Tier

This feels fake.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I am feeling like Quinoa should probably have the crap executed out of him if we do not reach a clear consensus elsewhere.

@SABBATH:

Please explain your Nik scumread beyond the completely ridiculous claim that he attempted to execute the king. I do not see why that scumread has remained so implacable.

@Grayfoxxx:

Untwist your panties. First, stop confbiasing. Asking the mod a question is null from any party. Such a question can only "feel" fake or genuine because of a prior-established read. Second, IIoA does not mean no analysis at all every in any way anywhere. It means that someone is essentially coasting on providing info instead of incisively punching into the game on analysis. Posting one-line responses that simply offer an impression of a post with no discussion do not count as analysis; they count as information because you are essentially just quoting someone and then calling them scum.

Let me know if you have any more questions.


-A

I challenge you to find someone who agrees with you. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Nika did.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Agree with me about what?

You say my ISO's were IIoA.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Well, my other head agrees with me.

-A

Ilu Aegor

Are you really trying to Meta me off of my first noob game? Weak. Show me one person who still plays the way they did in their first game.

I generally try to take as many things as possible into consideration. Why so defensive?

-Tier

You were pretty insinuating when it came to my meta. Why wouldn't I respond to that?

[GrayFoxxxx]

I don't feel like Greyfoxx's ISO reads line up with the content inside them. I'm very hesitant to follow the crowd in that the action over rides the content. I think he has been very buddying towards the King and that his attempts to be overly towny are fake. Someone may have told him to "try to look like a good little villager(see post 1 for reference)" because IMO, his actions have been a little over the top. I am hard claiming this as SCUM.

Could you please point to my buddying? And give reason to why its buddying please

One is that to believe the D1 king may not be town, is creating WIFOM against a preconceived notion that he is. (Also greyfoxx called mantis null, even though he's buddying so hard).

Now that I think each of them are scum for their own reasons, I'm going back to GreyFoxx's 154. His evaluation of Maxous's 149 seems to be

a little

lacking and I'm not sure what to think of his 55 evaluation.

Comparing that to his evaluation of Scripten 115 there is no comment on Scripts actual reads, only information that he presented them. Coupled with an evaluation that Scripten isn't the Kingmaker.
According to Scripts post 185 he seems to be very suspicious of being pared with Naz. And I think he has the right to be, seeing as GreyFoxx's evalation of Script's play didn't mention Naz at all.
Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read. This is aweful.

You say below he could be my scum partner but you say above you understand why Script got defensive. I dont think you can have one with the other.

Greyfoxxx is obvscum. By PoE, his posts either point to Scripten or Maxous as his partner. Scripten's push back leads me to believe that Scripten is inno on this one.

Ive already explained that I am speculating on a link (if any) between the two. For a better explanation refer to my post 189. Seems like you are grabbing at straws here. Town doesn't do that

[GrayFoxxxx]

You say below he could be my scum partner but you say above you understand why Script got defensive. I dont think you can have one with the other.

I'm pretty sure we shouldn't be eliminating any suspects entirely from our scum lists. Likewise, this is pretty misrepresentativ of SoS's statement. He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence.

FoS: Grayfoxx

I don't think he meant that at all.

He said-

Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read. This is aweful

He is saying it doesn't make sense I am linking a scum read with a strong town read. (I wasn't linking anyway just a speculation I have already explained)

[GrayFoxxxx]

I dont think king becomes king maker. Could be wrong.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Your cutesy all hails, and m'lord statements are clearly directed towards Mantis. Do you think that if you say nice things to him, he'll town read you? I say it's buddying -to a null read non the less.

Are you ignoring my other posts about him? Plus I am just trying to keep the style of the game up. My good sir.

His defensiveness makes it more likely that he isn't your partner. Scripten read it for what I said. Maybe I should have added in something like Scripten defense seems to be motivated by a town mindset, or something complicated and wordy like that.

Wait wait wait. How did what you said translate to what Scripten said???? "Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read." I dont see it. So this really means "He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence." I call B.S. Someone else please give me some insight.

The "straw" that I'm grabbing at here is your towniest town read catches an associative scum read about 3 posts later even though you seem to have no reason to suspect him as being any sort of scum.

Why did you flat out ignore my answer to this?

[GrayFoxxxx]

I dont think king becomes king maker. Could be wrong.

I don't either. It would be wonky. But I'm not positive.

I think it would give a scum too much power.

[GrayFoxxxx]

What

[GrayFoxxxx]

Are you ignoring my other posts about him? Plus I am just trying to keep the style of the game up. My good sir.

yea, and it's not any sort of posting restriction. Which posts should I be ignoring? Is it 158

His defensiveness makes it more likely that he isn't your partner. Scripten read it for what I said. Maybe I should have added in something like Scripten defense seems to be motivated by a town mindset, or something complicated and wordy like that.

Wait wait wait. How did what you said translate to what Scripten said???? "Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read." I dont see it. So this really means "He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence." I call B.S. Someone else please give me some insight.

"Scripten's push back leads me to believe that Scripten is inno on this one." -ozzy

Why did you flat out ignore my answer to this?

189 So you are justifying your scum read on Scripten by WIFOM? If I'm supposed to believe that you are telling the truth, then you expect me to believe that since Nazarene is now your biggest scum read, you're claiming a Nazarene/Scripten scum team. If not, why did you say it? Explain your scum read on Scripten.

~

Josh_B

Ozzy

1- Still you are ignoring my other posts towards him. But it doesn't matter, your buddying claim is so weak. I called Mantis King a few times. Big deal.

2. All you did was rephrase. Did not answer how the two statements are parallel. Why?

3. Dont really have a scum read on him, what are you talking about. You are trying to go in circles with this all day. Why?

[GrayFoxxxx]

To expand on 2-

"Scripten's push back leads me to believe that Scripten is inno on this one."

We all get this part. The trouble is where you said he read your post correctly.

Ill repost my quote, where I quoted you guys.

Wait wait wait. How did what you said translate to what Scripten said???? "Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read." I dont see it. So this really means "He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence." I call B.S. Someone else please give me some insight.

So explain how in any world would those to quotes mean the same thing. All I did was copy and paste. No word twisting or anything.

[GrayFoxxxx]

i like scripten's early play a lot particulary #52 as i mentioned, last half a dozen posts have gotten weaker but still have a moderate town read here.

Yeah... I spent eight hours writing essentially a third of my college's newspaper yesterday. I've just not had time to keep up.

That said, my play may look weaker because my reads are evolving. I'm having trouble with the Grayfoxxxxx/SoS argument that's going on. On the one hand, SoS's claim of GF buddying Mantis is BS and should really be dropped. On the other hand, I feel like GF isn't understanding what SoS said.

"Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read. This is aweful."

This is saying that GF is suggesting a scumteam between a player and someone he believes to be town based on associative POE reads. It's nonsensical and was the first, biggest problem I've had with GF's play.

If Quinoa doesn't stop active lurking, I'm going to push until he gets executed, because his current play is crap. (Am I wrong, peeps? If so, please tell me why.)

Ok where am I getting lost. Im going to break this down.

"Greyfoxx's

evaluation

of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at

Naz

and linking him as scum with his bestest town read. This is aweful."

My evaluation of Naz(scum) links my best townread (Script) to him(naz). He was saying how could I link a scum to my best town read.(which i have explained)

Now you both are saying that quote somehow meant I was acting scummy, and trying to frame script as my partner. HOW HOW HOW

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'm pretty sure we shouldn't be eliminating any suspects entirely from our scum lists.

Likewise, this is pretty misrepresentativ of SoS's statement. He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence.

This is saying that GF is suggesting a scumteam between a player and someone he believes to be town based on associative POE reads. It's nonsensical and was the first, biggest problem I've had with GF's play.

Wtf. You FoS me for my interpretation. Then you use the same interpretation I did, on your second quote, after Naz says you where right in your first one. This really stinks right now.

Naz said you were correct in your first quote why did you change it? And why would Naz say it was correct when it obv wasn't? Realy really stinks

[GrayFoxxxx]

My post 288 was before I read scripts HUGE change in interpretation

[GrayFoxxxx]

Also Script is not my main town read anymore. Null until I see a response

[GrayFoxxxx]

I can't believe what I am reading from script. On my phone so I'll expand later.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Still on my phone so I can't format like I want.

Script FoS me for misrepresenting what San said.
Sab says script was correct in his read. Which would make me wrong.
I ask how did what Sab said translate to what script said.
Sab hasn't commented since.

Suddenly me and Script have the same interpretation.

Script is looking really bad. Sab hasn't elaborated, and I'm not what that means.

-Shitty phone post

[GrayFoxxxx]

*I'm not sure what that means.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Don't try to ignore this by calling it omgus. You haven't answered. You just switched your stance on what Naz said. After FoSing me for the stance you switched to.

[GrayFoxxxx]

post 289

here u go script

[GrayFoxxxx]

script is outright ignoring the evidence.
I can't argue with that.

Sab - it's odd for you to expect my reads to have been so concrete, that early. Your voting me on the grounds I shouldn't be able to change my mind.

[GrayFoxxxx]

1- Still you are ignoring my other posts towards him. But it doesn't matter, your buddying claim is so weak. I called Mantis King a few times. Big deal.

2. All you did was rephrase. Did not answer how the two statements are parallel. Why?

3. Dont really have a scum read on him, what are you talking about. You are trying to go in circles with this all day. Why?

It's more about your attempts to look town being overly exxagerated.

Scripten cannot be simultaneously town and scum partners with Nazarene.

Any possible logic that could justify your thoughts of Scripten and Nazarene being the scum team, is circular.

I think maxous is scum too for the record. I'm not sure why this Scripten thing is more of an issue.

Who else but you is saying I'm trying to seem town. It's still a non substance argument. Wow I said All hail the king in a kingdom themed game I must be scum.

Did I ever claim your second point? More false context framing.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Why won't you acknowledge scripts flip floppy behavior? You said his first understanding of you post was right. So Ipoint out that it doesn't make sense and you have avoided it.

[GrayFoxxxx]

So you expect ME to explain to YOU why YOU feel the way YOU do about my ISOs. Sorry that's way over my ability.

You have done some ignoring yourself. By that logic arent you scummy?

Haven't read your long post yet getting to it now

[GrayFoxxxx]

Naz read my last few posts if you haven't kept up. Why ask me to repeat my self more than I have.

Sab I have already explained my early reads. ISO me it's there.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Script one quick question.let's say you didn't switch stances. Why FoS me for having the same view as you on it? That's really where I am getting lost.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Likewise, this is pretty misrepresentativ of SoS's statement.

He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence.

FoS: Grayfoxx

This please explain this. Then explain how you switched your view to the same as my "misrepresented" one.

Also why did Sab back up Scripts initial misconstrued view? Now he is quiet about it, and wants to harp on early game reads.

[GrayFoxxxx]

His defensiveness makes it more likely that he isn't your partner.

Scripten read it for what I said.

Maybe I should have added in something like Scripten defense seems to be motivated by a town mindset, or something complicated and wordy like that.

Here is where Sab agrees with Scripts incorrect first view. Not really sure what he is saying in the lines after that.

[GrayFoxxxx]

post 219

Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read. This is aweful.

This is SABs quote all this fuss is over by the way.

Script and Sab both said it really meant that I was trying to seem scum while also making Script seem like my scum buddy. I don't even.

Script then changes views yadda yadda

[GrayFoxxxx]

Which two.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Wait don't answer that yet I want to hear from them.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Jesus Christ.

Script you ignored 331.

Sab ignored 332.

[GrayFoxxxx]

post 219

Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift(NaZ) seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him(Scripten) as scum with his(Greyfoxx's) bestest town read(Sripten). This is aweful.

This is SABs quote all this fuss is over by the way.

Script and Sab both said it really meant that I was trying to seem scum while also making Script seem like my scum buddy. I don't even.

Script then changes views yadda yadda

There is a pronoun error. I've added in some parentheses so that hopefully it will read better. and a shorter edited version
Greyfoxx says that his highest town read is scum buddies with Nazarene. This is awful.

I'm about to cry. I completely understood you when you posted it. Script didn't yet you agreed with him.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'll let them reply to naz now.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Also naz I still disagree my initial ISOs are IIoA

[GrayFoxxxx]

Since votes don't actually count.

Lynch script and sab

[GrayFoxxxx]

happy to see nazarene is town

i don't think scrip is scum, i like that he has been very willing + open to discuss all viewpoints at any the time.

Except my main point in 332.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Now gray, let them indeed reply.

Do you think they are scum together, pushing the same idea together? Who looks scummiest out of the two?

I mean why else would they both be playing like this? I guess Sab is slightly less scum. Maybe he is just playing a horrible town. Really wouldn't mind seeing either of them lynched. I feel like a script Lynch would give more info.

[GrayFoxxxx]

happy to see nazarene is town

i don't think scrip is scum, i like that he has been very willing + open to discuss all viewpoints at any the time.

Except my main point in 332.

I've looked at #332 three times and I Don't get the argument..help pls

My mistake. Look at 331.

[GrayFoxxxx]

@Sab

That whole post is contradictory.

Where you quoted my naz read it says poss as in possible. This kills your argument.

You still aren't being clear about scripts interpretation switch .

How does my read on Max look like I am

1- trying to make myself look scum(wtf?)

2- while also trying to make script look like my scum buddy.

[GrayFoxxxx]

[GrayFoxxxx]

331

[GrayFoxxxx]

OK I'll play your game. Why FoS me for sharing the same view as you?

In your last 2 posts you went from

"I never said you are trying to be scum while making me look like your buddy" to

"I did say that but for a different reason"
We weren't talking about anything but my read on Naz.

But I'm curious. Where have I tried to seem scummy? And how did it envolve you?

[GrayFoxxxx]

he said that your posts leans towards you trying to implicate me as your scum partner

[GrayFoxxxx]

*lean

[GrayFoxxxx]

Likewise, this is pretty misrepresentativ of SoS's statement.

He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence.

FoS: Grayfoxx

So now you are switching FoS reasons. I can't even. I'll let the rest of the town make there own opinion.

[GrayFoxxxx]

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT SAB SAID. I'm done.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Yes mantis that is old stuff. I have explained myself to no end about it.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Clusk will probably be mod killed. Don't lynch him as it would be a waste of a lynch.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Dat suspense.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Don't Lynch clusk.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I think mantis doesn't know who to Lynch and he doesn't want to get pressured if he kills a town.

Clusk would be his safest bet but he would look more scum than ever if he does Lynch him.

[GrayFoxxxx]

there's a night where scum have a nightkill? i thought this was nightless

This post doesn't sit well with me.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I think mantis doesn't know who to Lynch and he doesn't want to get pressured if he kills a town.

this is true
*she

Shit, sorry.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I would be OK with a SOS script nika or quinoa Lynch.
Anything else I would really be baffled.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Maybe I'm wrong but script only backed off of me when naz gave him some pressure. He did not independently conclude I was town. This isn't really alignment indicative, but it would make sense for a scum to act that.

[GrayFoxxxx]

This isn't really alignment indicative, but it would make sense for a scum to act that.

So you aren't scumreading me because it isn't alignment indicative, or you are because it is?

It doesn't make you auto scum, but I can't find a real reason a town would change stances after being so sure of themselves.

Maybe it would make more sense if you could give why you thought I was scum. And then explain what changed.

Because if I am right I had perfect explanations for all of your claims, and you didn't care for them until naz grilled you. This is way more scummy than town.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Should sabbath flip town and should we die overnight, both of which aren't extremely unlikely, mantis should get executed.

who is we. I don't want a mantis Lynch. I feel his actions weren't scummy given his position.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Oh yeah hydra lol.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'm vla til Sunday. Also not scum, queenoa.

[GrayFoxxxx]

2nd post incase I do need to post twice

[GrayFoxxxx]

I don't understand the night kill and I think scum are intentionally trying to create confusion.

I also dont understand how I am scummy at all after d1. I see a few of you pointing fingers with nothing to say but "why is gray town"

phone post

[GrayFoxxxx]

Crap.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Guys I was vla through day 2 almost in it's entirety. Still phone posting but scum is either nika or quino. Going to look through some isos too see if anything jumps at me. Details incoming soon.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Are you going to kill next if I don't answer?

[GrayFoxxxx]

Kill me* phone is shit

[GrayFoxxxx]

If you are scum it why would I answer?

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'm the new kingmaker.

So that leaves a scum, a VT and hero. If nika isnt hero there are 2 options for her. Scum or VT.

3 for mantis and you. Scum VT or hero. I am guessing you aren't hero so that's actually 2options for yourself. BUT lynching u isn't possible.

Mathematics says nika is best kill.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I wasnt really the kingmaker. Was hoping real king maker would counter so I could narrow down scum.

Then I read real kingmaker can't claim.

Guess I made a bad move. Thought quino was scum

[GrayFoxxxx]

I wasnt really the kingmaker. Was hoping real king maker would counter so I could narrow down scum.

Then I read real kingmaker can't claim.

Guess I made a bad move. Thought quino was scum

[GrayFoxxxx]

Good game