NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

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Post Post #17  (isolation #0)  » Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:52 am

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Post Post #26  (isolation #1)  » Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:36 pm

In post 13, TierShift wrote:/confirm as town 3-shot reviver

Let's hope for a good time!

Why did you claim? I have no idea why someone in their right minds would claim reviver, and I hope you make it to D2 to realize why.
Can you revive yourself?
In post 18, Muffin wrote:/confirm

guys is supersaint a good role y/n

I know some who would argue it's good, and some people who would argue it's bad.
Usually scum claim it to stop wagons on them, which is a con.
They also stop wagons on townies, so that's a pro.
In post 24, Egg wrote:Vote Pere

I honestly think he is scum.

FoS Thor
^in case I'm wrong. You know why.

Also there is nothing joking about this post.

I'm completely serious.

For real.

^__^

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Post Post #31  (isolation #2)  » Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:43 pm

In post 30, Boonskiies wrote:Alina!!!!!! :)

But actually,

VOTE: Csareo

What are your thoughts on the two claims?
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Post Post #33  (isolation #3)  » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:09 pm

In post 32, goodmorning wrote:the earnest, it burnsssss

Are you trying to imply something. I'm curious on why you immediately latch on to this player as the game begins.


I don't like this question.

Try to not be alarmed when players investigate a lead. It's some crazy trend seen with this so called town bunch.

Large Normals are allowed TWO (2) non-Normal roles or modifiers as long as they have not been marked explicitly non-Normal by the NRG.

This is good to know. Are either of the claimed roles normal? Can you link where you got this information?
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Post Post #35  (isolation #4)  » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:37 pm

Does Town need to know whether a claimed Reviver can self-Revive? No.
Does Scum? Yes.
Does that make my dislike of your question clearer?

I actually think it is an important question, because if he says yes than he is cleared of all lynch attempts by scum. That is a vital benefit, is it not?
Along the same lines as the supersaint, he is cleared of all lynch attempts by having the ability to "Self Revive", but it is also suspicious because it is an unusual claim.
I'm just a bit curious, and not a fan of being told where not to poke my head.
Anything that is neither on a red list nor a green list would qualify as one of the possible two.

For the record, I doubt anyone was being serious in claiming.

What reasons do you have to believe they weren't being serious? I don't like the idea of you white-washing a "three shot reviver" claim.
I'm going to be looking closer at your interactions with TierShift in the future.
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Post Post #38  (isolation #5)  » Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:03 pm

RVS is over guys. Anaylze the information on the table.
It's better this way. RVS is an avenue to lurking.
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Post Post #88  (isolation #6)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:22 am

In post 60, T S O wrote:This is the first game I have ever seen from Csareo where his opening post was not astoundingly scummy. He must be Town!

Stop latching on to me, flea.
In post 61, goodmorning wrote:I was ignoring the Neighbourhood claim because it's not particularly beneficial to out it atm.

Yes, I'm in a Neighbourhood with 3 others and Cho. No, I don't think we can say there's absolutely Scum in the Neighbourhood, though it is likely.

Neighbour claim is indeed completely irrelevant to what's been posted thus far.

If it is irrelevant, then why did you post it? I am also curious as to who you're most suspicious of in your neighborhood.
Because it was before the game started, because neither is a particularly typical role, because claiming Reviver in particular would be a good way to get yourself killed, because they're not stupid.
You may also notice that Muffin didn't exactly claim Supersaint.
Why?

Well tiershif self confirmed his role in answering the self revive. He is absolutely off limits for a lynch, as his role is both confirmable and powerful.
And he wont be killed.......... he can self revive.
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Post Post #89  (isolation #7)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:24 am

Is anyone else suspicious of the early tunnel on me, and how TSO seemed to fuel it?
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Post Post #93  (isolation #8)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:26 am

In post 90, T S O wrote:Idiocy confirmed!

PEdit: Sweetheart, I'm not sure if you were reading or not, but I was actually the one calling you town.

I don't like how you and garmr are trying to rack me up as the VI.
It seems like you're trying to set me up as your buddy, but be immortalized in the town bloc once I flip town.
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Post Post #95  (isolation #9)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:28 am

In post 83, TierShift wrote:That doesn't follow. My scum play used to be friendly, helpful and somewhat townish in the early stages of the game, while my town play was intentionally lazy and abrasive to get some reactions.

Tiershif, were you being serious in your claim? If so, then you have a confirmable and powerful role, while also immune to all lynches and night kills.
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Post Post #97  (isolation #10)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:29 am

VOTE: TSO
Something's off about your play this game, and how this wagon formed on me.
I don't like it.....
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Post Post #101  (isolation #11)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:32 am

I don't respond well to joking. I try to take everything at face value.
Scum usually mask a fucked up tell with humor.
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Post Post #104  (isolation #12)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:34 am

In post 100, TierShift wrote:
In post 97, Csareo wrote:VOTE: TSO
Something's off about your play this game, and how this wagon formed on me.
I don't like it.....

What about the wagon formation is wrong?

It started to quick, and mostly as a esult of TSO making comments on my meta.
But yeah, usually wagons go faster early game. That isn't suspicious, but what has me off is how garmr and TSO kept interacting with the wagon.

TSO's joking and botched humor is also setting off a "meta" tell from when I've played with him in the past.
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Post Post #106  (isolation #13)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:35 am

I've seen town TSO, and this is not town TSO.
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Post Post #108  (isolation #14)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:36 am

In post 105, Garmr wrote:Reviver*3 is a none standard role Csareo and bastard one at that it would be to powerful.

Pedit:Lol tiershift I'm a one shot bulletproof proof one shot vig one shot neighbourizer one shot doctor.

pedit 2: got damn so many pedits not bothered reading them till I posted -__-

Which is why I thought he might be scum playing a fake claim gambit.
I see I'm wrong, and don't match up to Tiershifts higher form of humor.
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Post Post #111  (isolation #15)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:40 am

In post 107, TierShift wrote:
In post 104, Csareo wrote:It started to quick

?

The wagon was established by GM and Boonskies, but quickly gained traction in result to comments that TSO made, him even joining the wagon in its 4th slot.
His opening claim said that I'm being to "serious", and he seemed sincere, but when garmr brings forward accusations that I'm a VI, he instantly switches his stance saying my posts are that of a "VI"
This isn't only contradictory, but a "two birds one stone" scum tell.
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Post Post #113  (isolation #16)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:43 am

In post 109, TierShift wrote:
In post 106, Csareo wrote:I've seen town TSO, and this is not town TSO.

1 game meta? what are the main differences with him before?

I've never seen him joke so much, and he has a tendency to open with large tunnels and anaylisis at the beginning.
He takes play very seriously, but you can see an evident draw back when he is scum. He also tries hard to agree with every statement brought forward, even if it's contradictory.
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Post Post #114  (isolation #17)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:44 am

I'm more curious as to why their are votes on me at all.
Can someone restate the case, besides me rolefishing confirmable and untouchable roles?
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Post Post #116  (isolation #18)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:55 am

@Garmr, do you find it odd that TSO tried to associate himself with me when he thought my posts would recieve positive reception, but when more people started to vote for me, he tried to distance himself with a VI assertion?
In post 48, T S O wrote:Caesar, you elephant, stop being serious so early!

We've got about 150 pages for that shit.

VOTE: CAESAR

In post 60, T S O wrote:This is the first game I have ever seen from Csareo where his opening post was not astoundingly scummy. He must be Town!

In post 63, T S O wrote:I don't think you understand the calibre of Csareo's townplay, to be blunt.

But here he's just showing his ability to scumhunt in a mediocre fashion, whereas there he was actively justifying any scummy actions that he did?

It doesn't? The whole point of it is that if he opens scummily as both, then in theory, an opening which isn't quite as scummy should point towards him being Town.

Now with 5 votes on me...
In post 86, T S O wrote:Wait, I think I'm wrong here.

In post 90, T S O wrote:Idiocy confirmed!

PEdit: Sweetheart, I'm not sure if you were reading or not, but I was actually the one calling you town.

In post 94, T S O wrote:I'm fairly sure you'll rack yourself up as the VI without any help on my part, but okay.
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Post Post #118  (isolation #19)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:00 am

Thanks for your cooperation GM. Yes, I'm a little suspicious of Garmr, but I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt, as it is still way to early to get solid reads.
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Post Post #119  (isolation #20)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:01 am

Sorry, tiershift is tunneling me, and you a little, but I found there was more reasoning to your questions.
Even if we disagree on the conclusions.
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Post Post #121  (isolation #21)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:12 am

I Isoed him again and he hasn't unvoted you and I was under the impression he did after he called you most likely town which is weird

This is also true.
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Post Post #129  (isolation #22)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:07 pm

TSO, if you have town read me the entire game, why do you still have a vote on me?
Also, RVS is over. Naked votes aren't going to fly.
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Post Post #141  (isolation #23)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:59 pm

In post 129, Csareo wrote:TSO, if you have town read me the entire game, why do you still have a vote on me?
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Post Post #143  (isolation #24)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:00 pm

In post 142, T S O wrote:
In post 106, Csareo wrote:I've seen town TSO, and this is not town TSO.


You have? I don't remember us finishing any game with me as Town.

That didn't stop me from reviewing your old games. You have a handy reference on your wiki page.
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Post Post #146  (isolation #25)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:02 pm

I'm not jumping down the meta chute with you. Can you answer my question?
TSO, if you have town read me the entire game, why do you still have a vote on me?
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Post Post #150  (isolation #26)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:04 pm

@TSO- Yeah, but there are about a dozen posts after the RVS vote calling me town.
Why didn't you unvote and join a more productive wagon if you're so confident I'm town?
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Post Post #151  (isolation #27)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:05 pm

In post 148, Egg wrote:Csar, did you do that meta research on TSO during this game or when you played with him before?

In another ongoing game.
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Post Post #154  (isolation #28)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:07 pm

@TSO- What are your thoughts on the people on my wagon? If you don't have a sufficient read on one, just say so.
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Post Post #157  (isolation #29)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:09 pm

In post 155, T S O wrote:You do realise that you should theoretically have no idea of my alignment in any ongoing games, yes?

It isn't appropriate to continue talking about this. Can you answer this?
@TSO- What are your thoughts on the people on my wagon? If you don't have a sufficient read on one, just say so.

Don't feel threatened by my investigation, I'm simply trying to follow a lead.
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Post Post #158  (isolation #30)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:10 pm

In post 156, Thor665 wrote:I support killing Csareo via Vig.
I give even odds that he's town but I still am saying that.

Then why would you want to use a vigilante shot? How do you know there's a vigilante?
You do know using a vig shot fastens lylo by one day, so it is almost always scum motivated to use.
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Post Post #161  (isolation #31)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:12 pm

In post 160, T S O wrote:I can't do it, I'm out for tonight.

Okay, this is really off. I think we should lynch TSO tonight. He's acting really weird, unusual, and anti town.
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Post Post #165  (isolation #32)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:15 pm

In post 163, T S O wrote:Am I allowed not speak to this moron for the rest of the game?

As respectfully as possible, can you indicate what questions you find are "moronic"?
I think your behavior is unusual, and you're exceptionally hostile when I try to scum hunt you.
You could just be frustrated or having a bad day, and I don't want to stress you out if any of my questions are to hard to answer.
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Post Post #166  (isolation #33)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:16 pm

Is it usual for TSO to become so hostile to questioning?
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Post Post #173  (isolation #34)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:20 pm

In post 170, Thor665 wrote:
In post 158, Csareo wrote:
In post 156, Thor665 wrote:I support killing Csareo via Vig.
I give even odds that he's town but I still am saying that.

Then why would you want to use a vigilante shot? How do you know there's a vigilante?
You do know using a vig shot fastens lylo by one day, so it is almost always scum motivated to use.

Maybe I'm a Vig and calling my shot.
I do not think your death will hinder town.

I think you would be suprised.
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Post Post #175  (isolation #35)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:21 pm

Without being super indicative, I have an idea of why TSO may be so threatened by me.
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Post Post #179  (isolation #36)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:23 pm

In post 171, TobyLoby wrote:Csareo, you're the meta TSO researcher. You tell us.

It's just really off behavior, but TSO is right, it isn't right to talk about meta.
For someone who has researched his plays deeply, there is this immediate click.
I can only encourage you to work through his old games.
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Post Post #180  (isolation #37)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:24 pm

In post 177, Thor665 wrote:
In post 173, Csareo wrote:I think you would be suprised.

Guess we'll find out one a Vig shoots you.

I don't care if you vig me, as long as you take what I say this day seriously.
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Post Post #182  (isolation #38)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:25 pm

In post 176, T S O wrote:I somehow end up in a large pissing fest with -someone- in every goddamn Large I participate in d1 and it makes it really fucking unfun.

That is not my intention. I'm trying to be respectful and understanding while asking you questions.
It isn't me who's blowing things out of proportion. I am curious, on why you think we're in some sort of fight?
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Post Post #191  (isolation #39)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:31 pm

In post 185, T S O wrote:My hostility is due to the fact that you constantly say things which are either highly illogical or just flat-out utterly wrong.

I've only asked you questions. Can you show me the accusation or illogical question you have in mind?
I'm just bewildered as to why you would feel so threatened.
So when I first read the game I thought Csaro was a lil' to "try hard" but his wagon went rather fast and that worries me but I'd prob be ok with his vig.

Why would you be okay vigging me?
[quote=Boonskies]De dum...de dum...de dum.[/quote]
What are your thoughts? Please pitch in...
Please respond to this though

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Post Post #193  (isolation #40)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:33 pm

I'll leave my vote on him for now. TSO, is your RVS vote now a serious vote?
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Post Post #198  (isolation #41)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:36 pm

In post 194, T S O wrote:
In post 175, Csareo wrote:Without being super indicative, I have an idea of why TSO may be so threatened by me.


I want you to elaborate on this.

Why should I answer your questions if you wont answer mine?
Just some key words: Without being super indicative
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Post Post #200  (isolation #42)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:36 pm

In post 197, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 191, Csareo wrote:Why would you be okay vigging me?

Well why should I think you are town?

That train of logic is detrimental. Why should we think you're town?
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Post Post #203  (isolation #43)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:38 pm

In post 199, T S O wrote:that's nice

Please answer these questions.
That is not my intention. I'm trying to be respectful and understanding while asking you questions.
It isn't me who's blowing things out of proportion. I am curious, on why you think we're in some sort of fight?

Can you show me the accusation or illogical question you have in mind?

TSO, is your RVS vote now a serious vote?
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Post Post #205  (isolation #44)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:40 pm

Is that the whole case on tobyloby? Right now I would love to hear a better alternative to a TSO lynch.
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Post Post #207  (isolation #45)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:42 pm

What cooperation?

Answering my questions without fighting.
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Post Post #210  (isolation #46)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:44 pm

I can kind of envision Nero's actions as being scummy.
My other top reads are GM and TSO. I'll take my vote off of TSO once he answers my questions.
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Post Post #215  (isolation #47)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:49 pm

In post 213, goodmorning wrote:
In post 210, Csareo wrote:I can kind of envision Nero's actions as being scummy.
My other top reads are GM and TSO. I'll take my vote off of TSO once he answers my questions.

Top reads? I assume you mean scumreads? Explain them, and explain why you're trying to appease TSO in this post.

If you first tell me how I'm appeasing TSO. I am pretty confident the dudes scum.
It's just if I push it any longer I'm going to be hanged.
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Post Post #216  (isolation #48)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:51 pm

Have I indicated such at any point?

IMO you have, and others may agree.
Obviously you wont.
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Post Post #232  (isolation #49)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:06 pm

In post 218, goodmorning wrote:"If you only answer my questions I'll surely unvote you." If that's not appeasing I don't know what is.

I feel kind of frustrated because there are certain players who look scummy to me, but I'm met with all kinds of resistance when I push that lynch.
It happened in another game, where I was very sure someone was scum, but it was like talking to a brick wall trying to get my point across.
All it did is make me look scummier and him look townier.
Does that help you understand why I might be trying to get off the TSO wagon?
Explain your read on Nero.

Actually, it comes from the same pattern I always see scum fall into. Early humor and misdirection rather than scum hunting.
It kind of looks like that's NeroCain's meta,IE, being a goofball, but that's one of my red lights. Other things that had me alarmed.
So when I first read the game I thought Csaro was a lil' to "try hard" but his wagon went rather fast and that worries me but I'd prob be ok with his vig.

If he's town then yes.

Remind me of your read on him.

It's as light as you would expect a 7 post read to be.
Explain your read on TSO.

- Humor and Misdirection
- Meta Change
- The interaction where he showers me in compliments until you guy's don't
- RVS voting me while also giving me a compliment
- Keeping RVS vote on me after calling me town about a dozen times after
- Refusing to answer ^
- How others joined my wagon when it became obvious TSO slipped on my meta
- Look at these two post, three posts apart
But here he's just showing his ability to scumhunt in a mediocre fashion, whereas there he was actively justifying any scummy actions that he did?

Idiocy confirmed!

- He actually keeps up with the VI gambit unnecessarily for several posts
- Thor Votes TSO and says he'll vig me (this needs more looking into)
- Refusing to answer my questions and being anti-town

He kept affirming with others that I was being "retarded" and an "idiot", but couldn't back up an example where a question seemed idiotic.
I think the whole treatment was abusive and a gambit to be town read. Apparently it was in the cool to be calling Csareo a moron while refusing to answer his question.
PEdit: Sweetheart, I'm not sure if you were reading or not, but I was actually the one calling you town.

You''re right, and I falsely implicated that you thought I was scum. You never even had a vote on me.
Explain why you would unvote a scumread just for answering questions.

Because I wanted off the TSO wagon as soon as possible.

P-EDIT: Please show me where I've said you're Scum. I'll wait.[/quote]
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Post Post #233  (isolation #50)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:07 pm

Is anyone else alarmed how Aneinen keeps using me as an excuse in all his posts?
Maybe it is best if I'm vigged. Scum will use me as a wall for the rest of the game anyway.
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Post Post #234  (isolation #51)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:08 pm

In post 226, TobyLoby wrote:If Csareo is being Csareo and doing the exact same thing as that game you linked and he was town, why is it a null to you?

I'm also interested in hearing the answer to this.
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Post Post #236  (isolation #52)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:09 pm

@TSO
That is not my intention. I'm trying to be respectful and understanding while asking you questions.
It isn't me who's blowing things out of proportion. I am curious, on why you think we're in some sort of fight?

Can you show me the accusation or illogical question you have in mind?

TSO, is your RVS vote now a serious vote?
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Post Post #240  (isolation #53)  » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:53 pm

^The above will all be answered tomorrow.
Bit tired now.
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Post Post #251  (isolation #54)  » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:52 am

@Aneinen- I hate how you keep dropping my name, but I agree with this statement, although I disagree with your conclusion.
I simply don't understand why TSO's maintaining a long interaction with Csareo – he must have known that by getting involved in that would increase the "noise" in the thread

TSO trying to buddy with me early on and make others town read me is suspicious, and a bit confusing. I noticed he did something like this in another game, which I would love to talk about, but can't because it is ongoing.
@Goodmorning- I'll get to your questions later, once I have more available time
@Nero Cain- ^
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