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Post Post #21 (isolation #0) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:08 pm

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am here now.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #44 (isolation #1) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:11 pm

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Post Post #187 (isolation #2) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:29 am

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In post 166, Csareo wrote:Is it usual for TSO to become so hostile to questioning?

yes. He always seems so angry all the time. When I get monies I plan on hiring him a prostitute to help him chill. Or this could just be an in game persona, idk.

So when I first read the game I thought Csaro was a lil' to "try hard" but his wagon went rather fast and that worries me but I'd prob be ok with his vig.
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Post Post #189 (isolation #3) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:30 am

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also [/b]vote:Tobyloby[/b]
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Post Post #190 (isolation #4) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:31 am

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Post Post #197 (isolation #5) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:35 am

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In post 191, Csareo wrote:Why would you be okay vigging me?

Well why should I think you are town?
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Post Post #201 (isolation #6) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:37 am

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In post 196, TobyLoby wrote:Nero, do you think Csareo's wagon was scum motivated?

If he's town then yes.

Remind me of your read on him.

In post 195, T S O wrote:Thanks for the moral support, guys, I am officially the grumpiest fuck ever to walk the halls of these forums. :/

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Post Post #202 (isolation #7) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:38 am

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In post 200, Csareo wrote:
In post 197, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 191, Csareo wrote:Why would you be okay vigging me?

Well why should I think you are town?

That train of logic is detrimental. Why should we think you're town?

'cause I have a green pm.
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Post Post #208 (isolation #8) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:42 am

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I can't believe I'm saying this but we aren't lynching TSO today.
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Post Post #237 (isolation #9) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:36 pm

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In post 209, TobyLoby wrote:I don't get it. You first insinuate Csareo may be scummy, but then you follow it up by insinuating that you're not voting for him because the wagon (which means it looks scummy). So you follow this up by voting someone not on the wagon you just insinuated was scummy and then playing iffys on Csareo's alignment.

None of that makes sense

A wagon on a town player going fast is an excellent indication of that player being town and scum piling on. + just 'cause a wagon is scum lead it doesn't mean all the scum are on it. So why are you feigning ignorance here? Also flipping your mind on someone is in no way alignment indicative.

In post 210, Csareo wrote:I can kind of envision Nero's actions as being scummy.

feel free to explain.

In post 214, Egg wrote:Nero, why Toby?

I hate alts and I want them all dead

but also mostly gut. I saw her 171 and didn't really like it so I clicked on her ISO and she's not really doing anything and was kinda active lurking so hey, I figured I'd vote that and see what happened.
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Post Post #243 (isolation #10) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:53 pm

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In post 7, TobyLoby wrote:/confirm


In post 134, TobyLoby wrote:What do you think of Csareo's game play here so far, Aneninen?

goodmorning, do you think Csareo is scummy, maybe townie, or null? I'm getting an everything from you.



In post 135, TobyLoby wrote:I don't think Boons anything is obvious.



In post 168, TobyLoby wrote:Egg, soon.

In post 152, T S O wrote:There were no productive wagons at the time - the only thing I did/felt like doing was mildly ripping the piss out of you.


this did not happen during that time.

is your vote on csareo for real now? you didn't do the "MY RVS VOTE IS SERIOUS NOW" neon blinking lights indicator.



In post 171, TobyLoby wrote:Csareo, you're the meta TSO researcher. You tell us.


Wich of these posts are content?
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Post Post #245 (isolation #11) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:42 pm

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In post 244, Aneninen wrote:There are 209, 212, 220 and the posts about questioning me

I specifically stated that my ISO read was on her pre-171 posts and thus 209, 212 and 220 did not exist yet.

In post 244, Aneninen wrote:In my opinion, asking questions =/= producing no content.

Asking questions in and of itself is null 'cause both alignments can and will do it. Do you think her questions have moved the gamestate along?
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Post Post #247 (isolation #12) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:50 pm

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In post 232, Csareo wrote:It kind of looks like that's NeroCain's meta,IE, being a goofball, but that's one of my red lights

ok but if its my meta then why is it scummy?
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Post Post #254 (isolation #13) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:15 am

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In post 250, TobyLoby wrote:
In post 237, Nero Cain wrote:A wagon on a town player going fast is an excellent indication of that player being town and scum piling on. + just 'cause a wagon is scum lead it doesn't mean all the scum are on it. So why are you feigning ignorance here? Also flipping your mind on someone is in no way alignment indicative.


You are using a hypothetical. Let's talk about what is happening in this game right now. Are you town reading Csareo? I didn't say you said all scum were on the Csareo wagon anywhere. If you think the wagon on Csareo is scum lead, who do you think is leading it then and why?

When I first read the thread there was this rapid fire "csareo is scum" and that made me pretty uneasy. So, who do you think has been the counter to him? I could see maybe Muffin scum hoping on. Yes, I think Csaro is probs town. Why have you not given a read on him?
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Post Post #255 (isolation #14) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:26 am

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Also that theory that I'd be scum and come in the thread, give my honest opinion on Csaro when I could have just ignored him or called him town/scum is pretty fucking ridiculous.
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Post Post #257 (isolation #15) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:35 am

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What, admitting that my read on him changed?
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Post Post #260 (isolation #16) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:43 am

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baring multiball, I'd know his alignment and thus would have no need to be wishy washy.
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Post Post #263 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:02 am

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In post 263, Thor665 wrote:second off being wishy-washy is actually pretty solid scum play.

maybe so but I can be plenty wishy washy as town.
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Post Post #378 (isolation #18) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:19 am

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In post 335, TobyLoby wrote:I gave my read on Csareo here.

HAHA. So you are voting me for being wishy washy/fence sittery whatever you want to call it when you say its looks "kinda townish". Such a hard stance. pls get to dying hypocritical alt scum.

In post 361, TierShift wrote:He eventually says he thinks csareo is town and the wagon is scummy but refuses to vote on the wagon

refused is the wrong word. I had a gut scum read on Toby 'cause I felt like she was just kinda hanging around and doing nothing. Her 171 felt pressure pointy. So I voted. I don't understand why I should vote one scum over another scum.
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Post Post #379 (isolation #19) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:27 am

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This is like my 4th or 5th game with TSO. I think the first game I played with him he was like brand new and, as scum, lurked it out. Yes, he's constantly angry or atleast comes off as angry. Could he fake that as scum? Sure. He'd be better than a no lynch but I don't have a ton of cofidence that flips scum.
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Post Post #404 (isolation #20) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:04 am

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In post 403, T S O wrote:
In post 401, Thor665 wrote:I'd hammer him if it was near deadline and he was at L-1.


Is there anyone you wouldn't do this to?

:lol:
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Post Post #503 (isolation #21) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:15 am

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In post 501, PeregrineV wrote:15. Nero Cain- early townvibes

Why?
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Post Post #693 (isolation #22) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:26 pm

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<----needs to start doing shit.

I agree with goofy. The chances of scum being in the hood is nearly 100%.

Is mine and Cho's the only hoods?
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Post Post #694 (isolation #23) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:37 pm

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like Scripten seems the most likely to be scum in mine. and I forget who is in Cho's hood.
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Post Post #696 (isolation #24) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:52 pm

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I'm just now claiming to be in a hood. Why do you think I'd lie about that?
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Post Post #698 (isolation #25) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:00 pm

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no

In post 695, Thor665 wrote:When did you claim to be in a neighborhood?


This just seems really silly though. Like what was your point?
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Post Post #699 (isolation #26) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:03 pm

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What do you think of scum being in the hoods?

Do you think that if there's more than two hoods they should claim so town atleast knows the number of hoods?
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Post Post #729 (isolation #27) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:05 am

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In post 709, Thor665 wrote:Why did you wait to claim to be in a neighborhood till this moment?

Why should I have previously claimed I was in a hood? I'm back now and saw some hood talk so yeah.

In post 709, Thor665 wrote:I have said both of these things before and was even debating it with Goodmorning - why didn't you hop in on that?

haven't really been around.

In post 725, T S O wrote:A little irritated

Why would your hood being outted irritate you?
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Post Post #732 (isolation #28) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:09 am

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Well he is the most likely to be scum in our hood, ja.

Also Cho's hood is larger then ours so hrmmm...
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Post Post #736 (isolation #29) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:31 am

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In post 733, Thor665 wrote:Why?

*meh* musta not noticed or cared.

Who are you in a hood with?
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Post Post #741 (isolation #30) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:45 am

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Post Post #751 (isolation #31) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:02 am

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Scripten, what do you think of me thinking you are the scum from my hood?
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Post Post #801 (isolation #32) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 2:24 pm

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In post 758, Scripten wrote:Kinda hard to form any real opinion on it. I don't know where your reads are, am either null- or town-reading other players in the hood, and I am speaking from a different PoV than you are. (You already know your own role. I already know mine.) There's too many variables for me to make a judgement call on that statement other than saying it's wrong.

Eh, the whole reason I think scum are going to be in the hoods is 'cause mods putting a scum spy in the hoods is p common these days. Nothing Dave has said seems all that scummy too me (but that could be that I haven't read everything yet) and the only really niggle that I get from TSO is like, he'll lash out at anything he thinks is criticism so him being "oh yeah I'm grumpy" and just kinda laughing it off seemed a bit uncharacteristic? Do yo have a read on TSO and Dave?

In post 782, goodmorning wrote:Two, actually. Vaguely annoyed.

Why are you annoyed that two hoods got claimed?
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Post Post #804 (isolation #33) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:05 pm

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Well why do you think I'm suspicious?
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Post Post #806 (isolation #34) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:20 pm

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you thought my alt thing was serious?!?

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Post Post #808 (isolation #35) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:34 pm

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In post 413, TobyLoby wrote:I am voting you on not being consistent on your read of Csareo while playing off a simultaneous scum Csareo and town Csareo possibility.

yeah, that never happened.
In post 630, Muffin wrote:Reminder that throughout this entire exchange where PereV is calling Thor scum, Pere has had his vote parked on a go-nowhere wagon.

Having multiple scumreads is no way a scumtell and he has no reason to move. This is a nonsensical pressure point statement and I think thats likely to come from scum.
In post 646, Garmr wrote:Kinda annoyed that someone would passively role claim day 1 with only one vote on them. If it is multiball all you had to do was wait one day and you could of keeped it hidden from scum.

*twitch twitch twitch*
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Post Post #836 (isolation #36) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:12 am

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In post 831, Thor665 wrote:My Neighborhood is me, Pere, and Egg.
Egg gave me slight town vibes already.
Pere didn't post.

Discuss.

What did egg do that gave you town vibes? Is he scrambled or sunny side up?
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Post Post #850 (isolation #37) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:26 am

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So, I haven't really commented on the Thor/PV situation yet. TBH I skimmed over
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So we have a 5 man hood, 4 man and 3 man. I think scum being in the hoods is highly likely and with three dwindling hoods (anymore) maybe we have dwindling scum in each. Like 5/2, 4/1, 3/0.
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Post Post #854 (isolation #38) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:38 am

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In post 852, davesaz wrote:In fact a Pere scum read pretty much demands the logic that hood size is not alignment indicative

PV being scum read=//=PV being scum.
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Post Post #855 (isolation #39) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:42 am

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follow up: If PV gets lynched and flips town are you going to want to lynch Thor/Egg?
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Post Post #870 (isolation #40) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:46 pm

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In post 869, TierShift wrote:Boon, claim your role if it confirms multiball.

no. Do not claim, boon.
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Post Post #872 (isolation #41) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:49 pm

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I was about to switch it. What do you think?
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Post Post #876 (isolation #42) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:58 pm

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Post Post #881 (isolation #43) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:21 pm

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I kinda don't think he softclaimed though.

but ok, lets pretend that Boon claims. What would you learn?
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Post Post #892 (isolation #44) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:08 pm

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^
is disapoint

In post 2, Aegor wrote:You win when all non-town
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I thought the reason you were calling it mb is 'cause the town wincon makes it sound like its mb (though that's just standard boilerplate)

In post 646, Garmr wrote:If it is multiball all you had to do was wait one day and you could of keeped it hidden from scum.

and that kinda made me think he didn't have the same wincon as you.
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Post Post #979 (isolation #45) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:14 am

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blatant prod dodge. This is my catchup day so expect a post later.
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Post Post #1053 (isolation #46) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:34 am

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Why am I townish, Thor?
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #47) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:49 am

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In post 1054, Thor665 wrote:Why? Do I need to convince you you're town?

no, I read fine but I want to see if you have a legit town read or if you are just appeasing me, but also didn't you have me as a somewhat scummy read? If so, what did I do to change that?
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Post Post #1063 (isolation #48) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:11 am

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I'm asking you a very simple question Thor. I see no reason why you are acting out.
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Post Post #1072 (isolation #49) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:11 am

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In post 1064, Thor665 wrote:And I told you I was buddying you - so you should react to that or not.

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Post Post #1168 (isolation #50) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:19 am

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In post 856, davesaz wrote:"Thor scum reading Pere" implies "Thor does not believe the canonical percentages for scum in a hood". Which is consistent with his posting on the matter

ok......but that's not really what was being discussed/said. I posted a theory that the hoods decreasing in size also had decreasing scum in them. You disagree. That's really no big deal. But Thor's PV read has absolutely nothing to do with what you believe and thats really wierd.

In post 860, Aneninen wrote:He posts and asks a lot about the Neighbourhoods. (Why?)

Why not? I've played in enough games with scum sprinkled in the hoods to auto default think that. hy should I think there are no scum in the hoods this game? + there's 12 hoodies so I think the probability that all 5-6 scum are in those 9 players outside the hoods is near 0%. I am NOT suggesting that we randomly lynch hoodies until we find the hood scum but just letting town know they are there and not to ignore the hoods and letting scum know that I know they are hiding.
@tiershift-if boon claimed what would you learn?
In post 1015, hephaestus wrote:Meh, this multiball shitstorm means nothing to me tbh. Getting a few scummy vibes from his ISO but I'm not so sure you're town either.

So you think its MB and you both think they are a lil' scummy. Whats the problem?
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Post Post #1170 (isolation #51) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:24 am

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stop being a lil' asshole
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #52) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:39 am

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Do you think Gamr is town?
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Post Post #1177 (isolation #53) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:51 am

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In post 1168, Nero Cain wrote:@tiershift-if boon claimed what would you learn?
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #54) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:01 am

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In post 1105, Scripten wrote:Thor v. Nero Cain looks weird. I'm not sure I'm following what Thor was doing where he told Nero that he was buddying him, and I'm not sure why Nero took what Thor said as reason to vote him. (Yes, I realize that buddying is a scum tactic. I don't think it follows that claiming to be buddying someone is also a scum tactic.)

Well, I don't really see a reason that Thor would not elaborate on why I'm townish. Explain the town motivation there?

In post 1119, The Fonz wrote:Vote: PeregrineV because holy shit was #385 bad.

What about it was bad?

all caught up.

dislike tier's asking boon to claim.
dislike gamr for similar reason. His "If it is multiball all you had to do was wait one day and you could of keeped it hidden from scum." is p silly. Scum already know if its mb or not.
still dislike the toby slot. Her claim that I was being "iffy" on my Csaro read and was scummy for that while being iffy herself is highly hypocritical. I also dislike fon'z "catchup" post being a bandwagon hop onto PV.
hephaestus, dave and muffin are my other scum reads.
maaayyyybbbeeee Thor. I'm pretty unsure on him.
maaayyybbbe scripten

Thor; give me a TL:DR on your PV case.

I'd also help you guys pl TSO. *hint hint*
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Post Post #1186 (isolation #55) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:50 am

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Thor thinks I'm an sk but calls me townish? the fuck.
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Post Post #1189 (isolation #56) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:56 am

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In post 1188, Scripten wrote:How do you know this? (Bolded)

I don't know this 'cause I'm not scum but scum already know the size of their team so they'd have to be pretty big idiots to not know.
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #57) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:21 am

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In post 1185, TierShift wrote:I just HATE softclaiming that serves no purpose.

*shrugz*

I agree that soft claiming for the sake of soft claiming is p bad but I also don't think having him full claim helps the town in anyway.

I also think he'd be much less likely to do that as scum.
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Post Post #1194 (isolation #58) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:24 am

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So....if you don't think he could pull that off why ask him to fullclaim?
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Post Post #1196 (isolation #59) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:33 am

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So the timeline is:

-thinks Boon is scum, softclaiming
-asks him to fullclaim
-decides that Boon couldn't pull that off as scum

???
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #60) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:38 am

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In what other games have you used this policy?
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #61) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:54 am

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In post 1200, goodmorning wrote:Who would have thought my vanity vote would spark some actual looking into Thor?

TBF, I think Thor is just extremely argumentative. My vote on him was more me being goofy than anything but I guess him not explaining his town read on me is rather silly.

What do you think of Fonz?
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Post Post #1249 (isolation #62) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:04 pm

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Whats weird about it? Seems like it would be basic logic.
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Post Post #1252 (isolation #63) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:20 pm

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In post 1250, Scripten wrote:I guess I just don't see the link between the size of the scumteam and whether or not the game has multiple scumteams. (Or are we including SKs in that definition?) Or are there other aspects I'm missing?

multiball is traditionally 2 mafia teams and that's the context that I've been using it in. Its a 21 player game and there's only going to be like 5 or 6 scum max. If its a 4 or 5 player team then you know there's not going to be another. If its 2 then you know there's going to be another. 3, maybe.

This is very basic game logic and I'm not sure this is a scum whine or a new player just being new and not understanding.
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Post Post #1254 (isolation #64) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:45 pm

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In post 1213, TierShift wrote:Oh hey, I forgot.

So it goes like this:
1. Anen calls you scum for reasons
2. You refute said reasons
3. Anen ignores you refuting said reasons
4. Anen is scum?

I didn't bother to check if 1-3 are correct,
but there is still a major disconnect between 3 and 4
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no, not really....

scum ignoring things is a thing. Yeah hw could be town and didn't see it right off but I don't think its some cray cray leap in logic to think the guy "ignoring" you is scum.
In post 1226, Thor665 wrote:Until then - you are playing poorly.

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Post Post #1257 (isolation #65) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:53 pm

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eh, I might go through your ISO and look but even if PV was scum I don't think he'd "lie" that you called me an sk.

but that was complete junk about me talking about the sk or whatever silly thing you said.
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Post Post #1258 (isolation #66) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:00 pm

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your case on PV is that:
he has bad reads
you feel he lied to you
and he thought you were scummy for bringing up MB?
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Post Post #1295 (isolation #67) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:56 am

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In post 1268, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1258, Nero Cain wrote:your case on PV is that:
he has bad reads
you feel he lied to you
and he thought you were scummy for bringing up MB?

My case is more eloquent, but, yes, you have functionally simplified it down - though I think the third and the first point are the same point - as the only read I cited as bad enough to be scummy is the read involving multiball, and I have no other scumtell associated with the multiball point other than inability to defend his belief in it being scummy. I also would note the lie is one I said he directed at town in general, not me in particular, though I will agree I was amongst those he lied to.

ok well...TBH that case doesn't sway me but ok, lets say that I'm wrong and PV is scum. Who are the non PV scum in this game?

In post 1291, Thor665 wrote:Nero - scummy for reason stated, but a lesser read than Pere.

What made me go from townish to your second highest scumread?



Fonz also needs to explain why 385 from PV is scummy.
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Post Post #1296 (isolation #68) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:01 am

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@ thor
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Why is Tier town?
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Post Post #1298 (isolation #69) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:13 am

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ok, so what post was it?
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Post Post #1300 (isolation #70) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:37 am

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ok.....but I don't get why you are being caustic here and it makes me think you lack social skills or are scum and since I have played with you before and don't think you lack social skills I'm going with scum.

In post 1227, The Fonz wrote:1.Primarily, calling Aneninen's voting reason 'fake' yet doing jack shit about this. 2.Questions TSO's obviously not-serious vote. 3. The only other part of that post that is in any way content is in saying Csareo's posts are 'refreshingly direct' when he kind of hints that he might have a problem with Thor but asks an empty question instead, the obvious answer to which is 'because he's fucking terrible.' It's a glaring filler post.

1. Looked like a joke to me
2. This is the only part of your "385 is bad" that stacks up.
3. I don't think that's an empty question at all.
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Post Post #1301 (isolation #71) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:37 am

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so yeah, looks like your PV vote was a scum hop.
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Post Post #1304 (isolation #72) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:11 am

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1. It was an RVS vote and therefore "fake" Also he was calling Boon scum and NOT Anen.
2. Nope.
3. Saying you hadn't seen it yet =//= having seen it yet. Scum lie. But like there was still plenty of PV talk up to p20 and there was no way to miss that.+ on p23 there was a vc that showed PV as tied for the leading wagon with 4 votes, however none of those 4 votes came between pages 20-23 so you are lying that you didn't see that.
4. Not sure but asking PV to explain why he thought Scripten was scummy seems like a p legit q to me.
5. I disagree that its filler.
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Post Post #1305 (isolation #73) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:13 am

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So who wants to claim to be Fonzies scum buddy?
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Post Post #1307 (isolation #74) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:19 am

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mod, pls change your vc style.

ex.

In post 1075, Aegor wrote:
[7]PeregrineV: Egg, Thor665, Muffin, Aneninen, Scripten, davesaz, Tiershift
[3]Aneninen: T S O, Garmr, Cho
[3]Cho: Grayfoxxxx, Goofyd00d, Boonskiies
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Post Post #1308 (isolation #75) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:21 am

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Hey Fonz, wanna explain to me how PV had a 4 man wagon on him but you claimed to not have seen this?
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Post Post #1309 (isolation #76) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:22 am

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In post 1307, Nero Cain wrote:
mod, pls change your vc style.


ex.

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Post Post #1311 (isolation #77) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:27 am

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Why is fonz townie, why am I suspicious?
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Post Post #1339 (isolation #78) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:42 pm

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Is your avatar from a game or a movie or something?
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Post Post #1343 (isolation #79) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:34 pm

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In post 1341, davesaz wrote:Flubber, welcome! The different view on Thor is thought provoking. I'd be interested in your thoughts on goodmorning.

remind me of your view on Thor.
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Post Post #1355 (isolation #80) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:34 pm

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In post 1312, The Fonz wrote:f I'm wrong and he's just derping around, then that still points to a lack of scumhunting intent.

exactly how long have you been on this site? You know well enough that people joke around and that not everything is serious. You could prob find any game and comb through it and find posts that "lack scumhunting intent". Its a really weak accusation.

he's saying that a fake Boon vote is bad, because it should have been a REAL Boon vote? That would be alright.

That's exactly what I think he was saying.
I find this hard to believe.

I don't think I'm the only player in this thread that finds #385 to not be scummy. Can you remind me of your company that finds #385 scummy?
No, I'm obviously not lying. I mean it's fairly clear from the timeline of my posting that I was in the process of catching up. Some talk =/= obvious leading wagon. You're trying to paint me as piling on a PV lynch. BS.

This is like the second or third time you've said something about catching up. I don't think being a replacement entitles you to leeway. I still think that Pv being voted and talked about shows that he was a wagon (or atleast potentially 1) I think your "catchup" defending tobys vote and a vote on PV is fairly suspicious. I guess I can't "prove" anything but it doesn't look protown to me in the slightest.

Why did you vote without being caught up and/or reading the last vc?

Sorry, WHAT? Who are you saying was asking PV to explain anything? We're talking about a PV post. Do you mean asking Thor? The problem here is it's really really obvious what the 'problem' with Csareo is, and PV can't have not seen it.

yes, my bad.
but you saying "pv knew why Thor was voting Cas=//=PV knew why Thor was voting Cas"
show me proof that PV knew why Thor was voting Cas.
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Why are you calling it a re-read here?
In post 1314, Garmr wrote:
In post 1311, Nero Cain wrote:Why is fonz townie, why am I suspicious?

Because I don't see what's wrong with what fonz is saying. I actually can see the thought he puts behind some of answer even if I don't agree with every read.


While on the other hand your just Like why are you scum reading him why is this guy a town/scum read even if they already explained it that or basing arguments on assumed knowledge which can't be proven or disproven. You also don't seem natural it's like you force yourself into a situation were you label someone as scum and then get in a heated debut. Sure people get into debuts all the time but not by going. "Me nero, why are you town/scum reading? oh that anwser you scum, Me debut, me look town *beats chest.*" or "Me nero, me assume you have more knowledge, you can't debate that since you can't prove don't have knowledge, You scum Me debut, me look town *beats chest.*" That's how I feel when I read your game.

cute.

Even if that was remotely close to my gameplay as thus my meta why would my meta be suspicious unless you are arguing that its my scum meta but just forgot to include that part?

What do you like from Fonz?

In post 1317, goodmorning wrote:This is bad.

agree. No reason to not give other reads to help the town.
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #81) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:39 pm

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alot. Its Thor, even if Thor is town and is wrong I could see scum sheeping him 'cause it would be a relatively safe thing to do.
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Post Post #1531 (isolation #82) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:46 pm

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I should probs start posting and jazz, so lets do that tomorrow.
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Post Post #1721 (isolation #83) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:51 pm

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In post 1363, Garmr wrote:Nero cain I pretty much don't like doing meta cases because I suck with them. I'm saying your objective looks scum orientated and you provide no real content. I'm accusing you of forcing yourself into arguments to look town,Using cases with role pms and additional information that town don't have so people can't refute them so you can find a reason to vote them, while also providing little content as possible on the current game state. If your saying your meta is your defense then you can go fuck yourself.

Can you give me an example of me using additional info that town doesn't have?

I've given my reads and commented on posts that I felt needed to be commented on. I've commented on the PV/Thor slap fight (which has dominated the day up until this point.) What do you feel that I need to comment on and talk about?

I also said nothing about my defense being meta....

In post 1367, Boonskiies wrote:VOTE: Pere

I like Thor. I'm gonna trust him.

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In post 1377, The Fonz wrote:There's also a different between derping about in RVS, and derping about 300+ posts in.

PV's 385 was him catching up. pls stop ignoring that.

But even if you are wrong about his 385, would this really change anything? You also said you were sheeping on Muffins case.

The point there is not to talk about Toby, it's to talk about the fact I find you suspicious, for pretty much the same reasons.

Yeah ok, me thinking that Cas was scummy and then changing my mind isn't even fence sitting or being wishy washy or whatever term she used. I think you know better than that so you saying that you were ok with that vote looks like backing her up so your slot has some kind of fluidity.
I don't get what you're saying by "At least potentially one." I'd have expected him to be 'potentially' one because he was scummy.

Yes. I'm saying that you saw the PV talk and the votes on him. I think its very possible that you are lying scum and then said you never knew he the leading bandwagon 'cause you were "catching up". I do remember one game where Mala did something similar and was town but I still think voting without being fully caught up and that vote just happens to land on the biggest wagon is suspicious. At the least its not great town play.

In post 1377, The Fonz wrote:The point being that PerV was asking Thor to explain what the problem with csareo was. Anyone with eyes could see that Csareo was a mammoth VI, taking everything super-literally, and kicking up a massive cloud of dust. Therefore, it looked like PV was playing dumb.

but being a VI isn't a scumtell. If you think Thor was voting Cas for being a VI then why aren't you suspicious of Thor?

In post 1392, Aneninen wrote:Eg. in 1179 "I'd also help you guys pl TSO. *hint hint*" – as far as I know, pl = policy lynch. How would that help the town? (Even if it'd be TSO?!) In contrast, 1186 – the thing Nero mentioned was indeed a WTF!

Well, personally I think TSO isn't very good and at the time there was a lil' mini bandwagon on him. I'm a firm believer in pl's helping the town. I don't have enough confidence in TSO being scum to push him but I am iffy about one of his posts. 1186 was a misread and Thor has already talked about it so not sure why you are rehashing it.
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Post Post #1724 (isolation #84) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:12 pm

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^^^
says the guys that just mislynched 5 town

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58247-4 correct scum reads

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 46542-even as scum i had 3 correct reads

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58466-3 correct scum reads, had a 4th but got distracted
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Post Post #1729 (isolation #85) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:49 pm

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Post Post #1733 (isolation #86) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:07 pm

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ok what accusation did I make that town couldn't answer?

I currently have 86 posts. At the time of your post I had 83. If you felt like my first 35 lacked content but my next 48 had more content why would you fuss about my first 35?
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Post Post #1734 (isolation #87) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:13 pm

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In post 1731, AxleGreaser wrote:If slap fight meant to you what it means to me I thought you should want to as well.

It doesn't. I'm calling it a slap fight just 'cause they are bitching back and forth. Of the two I think Thor is the scummier, but I also think its a bunch of noise. What is your current read on Thor?

In post 1732, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 1730, Garmr wrote:I will admit you really have took it up a notch lately.

that light is not the end of the tunnel

I really don't think I've been "fluffy" and I resent the accusation.
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Post Post #1735 (isolation #88) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:18 pm

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In post 1460, The Fonz wrote:PV: NO! You still haven't answered the question of why you assumed insider knowledge rather than error.

'cause town scumhunt and therefore don't assume error. Its like if you get a guilty, eventhough false positives happen you are still assuming that its correct.

In post 1465, AxleGreaser wrote:If
people purposefully play in such a way that I cant tell if they are town or scum
, I lynch them or try too.

^^^^
how I feel about current site meta

yeah, TSO evading Axle is p horrible.

on 65 so nearly done
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Post Post #1738 (isolation #89) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:59 pm

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In post 1736, Garmr wrote:Your 1179 and the discussion that followed it. I don't know what information scum would know

Based on the size of their team scum already have a pretty good idea if a game is mb or not. This is not an advanced concept and it feels dishonest coming from a player with a years worth of experience.
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Post Post #1741 (isolation #90) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:29 pm

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not really a contradiction: maybe I misspoke a lil;

like if scum is 4 or 5 then its to big for a 2nd team. If its a 2 man team (mods are doing all kinds of big team v. little team these days.) then they know its to small. If its a 3 team then there could realistically be a mirrored team or a smaller 2 man team.

ok yeah, maybe they don't
know
, my point still stands though: scum already have a p good idea of the game state based on team size.

So that's why I didn't really like your whining about Boons "softclaim" 'cause is not like its giving the scum info they didn't already have.
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Post Post #1746 (isolation #91) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:51 pm

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not really 'cause two kills=//=knowing weather the second kill is from an sk or a 2nd mafia team. Even one kill doesn't prove anything 'cause roles n jazz.
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Post Post #1749 (isolation #92) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:59 pm

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read on Thor Axle.

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Post Post #1751 (isolation #93) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:14 pm

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In post 1630, Egg wrote:So you think that without you being here to guide us, we'd all make the mistake of assuming neighbors are the same thing as masons or...?

yes :cool:

In post 1620, The Fonz wrote:is that Nero was the first person to make an assumption about multiball

no, I really didn't.

In post 1630, Egg wrote:Why so sure that he'd town read someone who nearly half the game is scumreading?

ummmm? guys walks into the game, is not caught up, votes the biggest bandwagon, and doesn't find anything else worth commenting on in 20 pages. I don't know why you think I should not be suspicious of that or why you aren't. So talk to me about the Fonz slot.

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Post Post #1794 (isolation #94) » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:14 am

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My bad guys. If TSO wants to pretend like I'm bad so he can feel better abut himself then I shouldn't let it bother me. Won't happen again.
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Post Post #1795 (isolation #95) » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:28 am

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In post 1791, Aneninen wrote:I find this speculation a bit pointless. First of all, there might be an SK, regardless of the size of the scum team(s). Second, a 17:2:2 would be way to swingy, in my opinion. Unless all the scums are x-shot bulletproof or something like that but, we'll never be able to find these things out until we see a scumflip (or more)..

not really speculating. I'm backing up my accusation that scum already know the size of their team and thus have a good insight into weather the game is mb or not. This was also a reply to Garmrs accusation that I was contradicting myself 'cause I was (slightly) backtracking that scum knew if it was mb or not. I also think 3 kills a night are a no so its gonna be 1 team + sk or two teams.
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Post Post #1796 (isolation #96) » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:34 am

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In post 1751, Nero Cain wrote:@GM-Why is Foz scum?
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Post Post #1801 (isolation #97) » Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:19 am

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^^^
i really don't mind you taking pot shots at me to make yourself feel better but it does nothing to help the game so if you are town then you prob shouldn't be doing this.
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Post Post #2166 (isolation #98) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:02 pm

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Aegor is a confirmed liar. In my prod it said that ya'll missed me and I highly doubt that.
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Post Post #2330 (isolation #99) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:03 am

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Post Post #2580 (isolation #100) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:19 pm

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In post 2574, Slandaar wrote:You should assume the hoods are random. Anything else is just bad.

fuck no. Even if Aegor were all like "HEY I HAVE A GREAT IDEA, I'M GOING TO MAKE A GAME WITH THREE HOODS BUT ASSIGN SCUM RANDOMLY" the chances of all scum being outside of the hoods is very very small. + there's some really scummy/suspicious players in the hoods anyways.
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Post Post #2586 (isolation #101) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:27 pm

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:facepalm:

can't tell if Axle is scum or dumb.
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Post Post #2587 (isolation #102) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:31 pm

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In post 2585, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 1813, Boonskiies wrote:
I'm playing the way I am for a reason
. This reason shall be brought out, and most likely the main subject of Day 2.

In post 2581, Boonskiies wrote:This game is based off the neighborhoods. It's meant to be the main points of discussion.


No on D1 one your claim was about your role being "the main subject of D2"

Boons 2581 was saying that...see....mods know what they are doing. When a mod makes a game with hoods they EXPECT hood talk and thats what he was saying. So this looks really misreppy.

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Post Post #2590 (isolation #103) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:36 pm

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In post 2588, AxleGreaser wrote:There are indeed scummy people in Hoods.

Who in the hoods are scummy and why?
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Post Post #2594 (isolation #104) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:54 pm

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In post 2593, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 2589, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 2586, Nero Cain wrote::facepalm:

can't tell if Axle is scum or dumb.



fine dunmbarse show me its me who is dumb?

In post 2590, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2588, AxleGreaser wrote:There are indeed scummy people in Hoods.

Who in the hoods are scummy and why?



Now start justifying the "facepalm dumb claim you just made."

Because frankly its making you look scummy, as making baseless insults that put people down and denigrate their opinions is a scummy way to argue a point.

Delayed OMGUS in 3...2...
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Post Post #2595 (isolation #105) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:54 pm

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In post 2587, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2585, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 1813, Boonskiies wrote:
I'm playing the way I am for a reason
. This reason shall be brought out, and most likely the main subject of Day 2.

In post 2581, Boonskiies wrote:This game is based off the neighborhoods. It's meant to be the main points of discussion.


No on D1 one your claim was about your role being "the main subject of D2"

Boons 2581 was saying that...see....mods know what they are doing. When a mod makes a game with hoods they EXPECT hood talk and thats what he was saying. So this looks really misreppy.

but he's also ignoring the fuck out of that post.
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Post Post #2612 (isolation #106) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:33 pm

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So Iz, did you ever follow up on your catchup where you said you found a bunch of posts interesting?
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Post Post #2617 (isolation #107) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:27 pm

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In post 2605, AxleGreaser wrote:@Nero Cain
Were you unaware that I had found TSO quite scummy yesterday and posted multiple times on why?

no

So remind me about why GM and TSO are scummy?


or what exactly is the purpose of your question?

you said you found players in the hoods scummy and I wanted to know who and why. Its quite simple. I also felt like your 2588 was very close to the bullshit that Slandaar was saying and I was interested if you were actully scum reading hoodies.
being in hood has nothing to do with whether or not I view them as scummy.

Well, once again, there were 12 hoodies so I think math (even if things are "random") points to the hoods containing scum 'cause I mean like all 5 or 6 scum hitting outside of of the hoods is low. And if Aegor set this up...mods putting scum in the hoods are a very common thing. So you scum reading players in the hoods while also disagreeing with me that its very likely scum in the hoods seems like a disconnect.

In post 2600, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 2594, Nero Cain wrote:Delayed OMGUS in 3...2...


huh?

You think I am going to OMGUS you for some weak kneed, limp wristed push like this?

In post 2587, Nero Cain wrote:maybe Axle

I think my reasoning for suspecting you is solid (you misrepping Boon like that is p bad) though I also find alot of others scummy and I'm not entirely convinced you are scummy bad or just bad.
In post 2598, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 2595, Nero Cain wrote:but he's also ignoring the fuck out of that post.


who are you addressing here?

are you claiming I ignored this post and its the justification of dumb or scum?

who are you talking to?

I am addressing you.

Yes, I am claiming that was my justification for scum or dumb.

I'm talking to you.
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Post Post #2620 (isolation #108) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:39 pm

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In post 2596, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 2587, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2585, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 1813, Boonskiies wrote:
I'm playing the way I am for a reason
. This reason shall be brought out, and most likely the main subject of Day 2.

In post 2581, Boonskiies wrote:This game is based off the neighborhoods. It's meant to be the main points of discussion.


No on D1 one your claim was about your role being "the main subject of D2"

Boons 2581 was saying that...see....mods know what they are doing. When a mod makes a game with hoods they EXPECT hood talk and thats what he was saying. So this looks really misreppy.



You may want to claim its misreppy.

BUT I asked this question

In post 2576, AxleGreaser wrote:The earlier details of your hard/soft claim
Spoiler: other bits
In post 1253, Boonskiies wrote:There's a reason I soft claimed and not full claimed. I never usually can stay active during large games early phase, so I believed if I hinted at my role a little, it would cause some discussion and allow myself to not seem like I'm not putting anything forward. It has created discussion, and therefore I feel as it was a success. Day 2 I should be much more useful.

In post 1813, Boonskiies wrote:I'm playing the way I am for a reason. This reason shall be brought out, and most likely
the main subject of Day 2
.


Day 2 details of your claim
In post 2563, Boonskiies wrote:Anenien was very prominent in our neighborhood last night, along with Iz.
I claimed that I have a protective role in the thread
, and also asked who people thought would be worth protecting.
I did not claim any role, nor will I be doing so toDay
. The way I said it made it seem like I had a limited use, which Iz pointed out in the thread also. I feel Iz thought he could get some town cred by not killing me after I claimed that I was a protective role, since he most likely thought I was just some noob not knowing what to do, and since he thought I slipped that I had a limited power role, he'd be fine not killing me. I expect there to be at least one scum in my neighborhood, since we are the biggest neighborhood, and Anen is now dead. Goodmorning, Shiro, and Iz have at least one scum there, and I'm banking on it being Iz.

Yesterdays days claims and todays, Dont line up.

Explain why you think that was going to be
"main subject of Day 2"

Spoiler: other bits
As Iz pointed it out in the thread.... (hence everyone knew)
Your argument that Iz wanted town cred for not killing you... ALSO means everyone who read that also gets town cred for not killing you...
If there is town cred for not killing you, then it is some evidence that there are no scum in your hood as no matter who the scum is they saw what Iz pointed out..




He made this POST
In post 2581, Boonskiies wrote:This game is based off the neighborhoods. It's meant to be the [color=#FF000]main points of discussion.[/color]


I interpret that as reply to me.

Where is the misrep?

Well, Boon is a claimed VI. He softclaimed yesterday. He said he'd talk about it today. I think its obvious that his softclaim was going to be and will be for the remainder of the game until he flips (or full claims), a major point of discussion. As I said, he's a claimed Vi (and maybe I'm giving him too much credit here) I don't actually think he's dumb enough to go "hey ya'll are going to talk about me!" and then when you ask him why he thinks that (which was a super dumb questions anways) he talks about the hoods?
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Post Post #2734 (isolation #109) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:27 pm

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Post Post #2972 (isolation #110) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:14 am

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Gosh I hope flubber isn't scum for pushing someone that he can't kill at night.
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Post Post #2973 (isolation #111) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:18 am

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Post Post #2977 (isolation #112) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:06 pm

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ok....

A mod makes a game with hoods in it. I think its a safe assumption that hood talk would play a major role in this game. Agree? Well, don't really care if you do or not 'cause its the right assumption.

Boon softclaims and says his claim will be a major point of discussion.

Boon later says that this game is based on the hoods and it will be a major point of discussion.

This is NOT the contradiction you think it is 'cause the idea that the game is meant to have hood talk as a major component and Boon's in game claim being something to talk about are mutually exclusive. If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend like you didn't misrep him then fine but but sitting there and claiming that he contradicted himself when he didn't IS a misrep.
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Post Post #2978 (isolation #113) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:14 pm

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In post 2621, davesaz wrote:@Boon: Why are you so sure about both points?

ok, you saw two nightkills, what does that make YOU think?

IZ, can you quote the post that made you think there was a 4th hood?

In post 2697, Scripten wrote:Intent is important. Doesn't the intent to spawn a 1v1 make you cringe?

town 1v1 all the time, bro.

gonna finish reading up later.
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Post Post #2985 (isolation #114) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:45 pm

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don't know if stupid town or stupid scum but might reply just to prove him wrong.
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Post Post #2988 (isolation #115) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:13 pm

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In post 2981, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 2977, Nero Cain wrote:Boon softclaims and says his claim will be a major point of discussion.

NOPE, that is not what he claimed at all.

In post 1813, Boonskiies wrote:I'm playing the way I am for a reason. This reason shall be brought out, and
most likely the main subject of Day 2
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main subject=major point of discussion. Even if there's a slight schematic difference the two are so interrelated that they could breed.

the2ndcomingofyates wrote:
In post 2977, Nero Cain wrote:This is NOT the contradiction you think it is


hey I didnt say I think that was a contradiction


ok then....TO THE WORDS!!!


I claimed his D1 claim about his play being the major topic of D2 as
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An inconsistency IS a contradiction. But ok, w/e, having two completely separate thoughts isn't an inconsistency either. But ok, you've "won", you're wrong but if you need to feel like you are right then go ahead.
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Post Post #2991 (isolation #116) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:52 pm

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Well what are your thoughts and why are you asking for others opinions but not offering your own?
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Post Post #2994 (isolation #117) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:00 pm

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Well why do you want thoughts on me if you aren't scum reading me?
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Post Post #2995 (isolation #118) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:23 pm

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Post Post #2997 (isolation #119) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:36 pm

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In post 2996, AxleGreaser wrote:which were important to my point where i said major point of discussion of D2

How many games have you played on this site? Someone claims/fakeclaims/softclaims w/e its going to discussion. Its a completely reasonable and expected reaction to assume that THAT (claim w/e) is going to be discussed. I'm not quite sure if the reason that you are arguing is 'cause you are new and therefore somewhat ignorant to common mafia activities or if you are indeed caught scum that tried to act like Boons was contradicting himself.
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Post Post #3001 (isolation #120) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:47 pm

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that...doesn't make any sense.
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Post Post #3002 (isolation #121) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:50 pm

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vote:Flubber
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Post Post #3008 (isolation #122) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:56 pm

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In post 2998, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 2994, Nero Cain wrote:Well why do you want thoughts on me if you aren't scum reading me?


I would like to know why muffin disagrees with you.

^^^^
I think that makes you worthy of death 'cause that literally makes no sense. Maybe you should tell me how that makes sense as a response.
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Post Post #3011 (isolation #123) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:04 pm

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Yeah, I never said anything about a false dichotomy.

@town flubber is caught scum and continues to reply to me yet his replies have NOTHING to do with whats being said. town cred to the next 8 voters.


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Post Post #3013 (isolation #124) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:10 pm

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In post 3003, AxleGreaser wrote:Please state your reasons for voting me other than your claim of misrep

Didn't know I need a long list of reasons to think a player is scummy but still, the fact that Boons said "my claim will be an important disscussion on d2." is absolutely irrelevant. He softclaimed and then expected it to be discussed. Period. End of discussion. There was no contradiction or inconsistency from Boons.
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Post Post #3016 (isolation #125) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:12 pm

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In post 3012, Flubbernugget wrote:Okay.

Muffin is voting boons. This implies he is scum reading boons.

You are not scum reading boons.

When one person scum reads an individual, and another does not scum read an individual, they are in disagreement.

Understood...now what does that have to do with you asking other players for their opinion on your town read?
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Post Post #3018 (isolation #126) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:15 pm

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In post 3017, AxleGreaser wrote:Also sorry about Nero.

Why are you sorry about me?
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Post Post #3020 (isolation #127) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:22 pm

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ok......

so ask muffin but I still don't see what that has to do with you asking the other 16 players their opinions on me.
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Post Post #3021 (isolation #128) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:23 pm

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or I guess you were just asking muffin, nm
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Post Post #3025 (isolation #129) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:34 pm

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Day 2 comes after day 1, so why should he have not expected for us to discuss his claim/play on d2? What you are arguing is wrong. He's a claimed BP, could he be scum? Sure. Yea, trying to draw a nk as BP makes some sense. Could he fake that? I guess. He's not someone I want to lynch today though.



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Post Post #3094 (isolation #130) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:51 am

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In post 3034, Muffin wrote:
In post 3011, Nero Cain wrote:Yeah, I never said anything about a false dichotomy.

@town flubber is caught scum and continues to reply to me yet his replies have NOTHING to do with whats being said. town cred to the next 8 voters.


also I am not scum reading boons
You'll have to spell out why exactly this makes flubber scum. Be explicit.

Well, I think its a somewhat common scumtactic for scum to reply to a post but give answer that avoids the question. I felt as if his 2998 didn't make much sense as a reply to "why are you asking for thoughts about me?" If he, as he later states, concerned over the fact that we disagree over Boons why is he not asking for our cases against Boon and instead asking you about your thoughts on me? Maybe it does make sense and I am just not getting it. Maybe you can explain it to me.

In post 3015, Flubbernugget wrote:How is 3011 holding up?

^^^^
taunting me.


In post 3025, Nero Cain wrote:I found flubs asking for opinions on me(his town read) to be strange. Explain what you think the town motivation is in that?
What is the scum motivation for that?

Its avoiding the question.
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Post Post #3115 (isolation #131) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:12 pm

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oh noes! My scum read (fonz) is voting for my other scumread (flubber)
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Post Post #3116 (isolation #132) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:18 pm

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but Muffin is prob scum too. Like that whole asking Muffin for his opinion on me 'cause he wanted to understand why we had different opinions on Boons looked really forced and manufactured.

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Post Post #3118 (isolation #133) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:26 pm

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In post 3103, Aegor wrote:[2]AxleGreaser:
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[2]Flubbernugget:
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FUCK YES! I am a double voter today.

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Post Post #3119 (isolation #134) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:37 pm

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fonz wrote:
In post 3104, goodmorning wrote:Has strong reads, single-minded focus on them, high level of effort (yes, it is the single best town-tell) exasperation at derping about.

1. No, he doesn't. I went through and pointed out that none of his reads (other than Pere) is any more justified than "I liked his gut reads on 4 people."
2. Yeahhhhh I don't know what universe you play Mafia in but I find tunneling to be mildly scummy. As Scum, it's a lot easier to push one person and not comment on the rest so that you can "change your mind" whenever it's convenient. I mean, Town tunnel too, and I've certainly done it, but it's not something that makes Scum's lives harder.
3. Effort is most certainly not indicative of alignment. Thor posts ridiculous numbers of posts no matter what.
4. It's really easy to say "come on guys, deadline is coming, let's consolidate" especially when them not consolidating means you lose a mislynch.

ITT GM obliterated Fonz.

TBF, I think Thor's "single mindness" is going to come from him regardless of alignment. Though I agree with GM b/c singular hunting does often come from scum but I've seen town do it as well....but it isn't good town play like at all. Fonz reasons for town reading Thor are all around bad.
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Post Post #3121 (isolation #135) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:10 pm

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What are your reads on Fubber and Muffin.
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Post Post #3124 (isolation #136) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:24 pm

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Why are you leaning scummy on flubber?
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Post Post #3367 (isolation #137) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:14 am

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Post Post #3369 (isolation #138) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:28 pm

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In post 3146, TierShift wrote:
In post 3116, Nero Cain wrote:but Muffin is prob scum too. Like that whole asking Muffin for his opinion on me 'cause he wanted to understand why we had different opinions on Boons looked really forced and manufactured.

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neither of them are following up at all.

What are you talking about here? Can you give me post numbers?

Well, in 2990 Flubber asks for opinions on me. At first I thought this a general call out and just asking everyone for their option of but according to him he was just asking Muffin but its not like that really makes it any better 'cause why would you give a shit about others opinions unless you think a slot is scum or you are doubting your read? But no, he continued to call me town so I really really don't understand why he wants an opinion on me. This aslso came across as slightly OMGUSy 'cause here I am starting to doubt Flubber as town and his next post is asking for opinions on me wich again, I don't understand why he'd want opinions on his town read.

Then in 2998 he claims that his reason for asking an opinion on me is 'cause he was interested in why Muffin and I had different reads on Boons. Well ok....but what does that have to do with anything? Does he secretly think that I'm scummy for not wanting a Boons lynch today? Maybe I missed it but why didn't he ask why Muffin was voting Boons, if Muffin had not already claimed why.

So to me it looked like a throwaway argument meant to look like he was doing something but wasn't actually doing anything. So yeah, I thought this was some forced scumbuddy interaction.

Can you explain to me what you think flubber was trying to accomplish here?
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Post Post #3373 (isolation #139) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:42 pm

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In post 3370, goodmorning wrote:@Nero: hey, what was your Thor read again?

I'd pl this slot. His case on PV yesterday was all sorts of horrible. At one point he said I was playing horrible and the only way town can play horrible is if thier reads are wrong so I asked him to explain why my scumreads were wrong. He didn't do this and I didn't like that. Not really a big fan of lynching Shiro so I disliked his vote. Fonz reasons for town reading Thor are like really bad and if Fonz is scum then that sort of makes me think Thor isn't on his team but my gut just doesn't go "oh oh, no way this is town." *shrugz* I AM agreeing with you that singular scum hunting is scummy/bad town play but like I said, that's going to come from him regardless of alignment me thinks.

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Post Post #3518 (isolation #140) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:40 am

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In post 3383, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 3373, Nero Cain wrote:I'd pl this slot. His case on PV yesterday was all sorts of horrible.


@Nero

This looks rather a lot like you are claiming scum. Are you claiming scum?

You say today on D2, "His(Thors) case on PV yesterday was all sorts of horrible."

Please show me where on D1 you pointed out that all sorts of horrible?

I dont remember you doing that, and i just I looked and i didnt see you do that.

If it was all sorts of horrible, where were you ?

Well, since we are ignoring the fact that I didn't vote PV which should tell you that I didn't like the PV case....

here I state that Thors PV case doesn't sway me.

though if it makes you feel better I'd pl you too.


In post 3418, Garmr wrote:We can deal with boon or axle tomorrow

if you flip town I'll think about it.

In post 3463, TierShift wrote:1.Why is it so weird to want opinions on a scumread?

2.Anyway your associative act falls apart now that muffin flipped town.

1. I'm not a scumread.
2. Yes it does but it doesn't stop me from thinking that he's scum.

Why should I think Flubber is town?

In post 3489, reinoe wrote:Guys, Muffin was town. Let's not ignore the implications of that. The things he was pointing out had 100% motivation. His stuff on Thor seems true.

Muffin being town=//=being right
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Post Post #3575 (isolation #141) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:29 pm

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In post 3541, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 3518, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3383, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 3373, Nero Cain wrote:I'd pl this slot. His case on PV yesterday was all sorts of horrible.


@Nero

This looks rather a lot like you are claiming scum. Are you claiming scum?

You say today on D2, "His(Thors) case on PV yesterday was all sorts of horrible."

Please show me where on D1 you pointed out that all sorts of horrible?

I dont remember you doing that, and i just I looked and i didnt see you do that.

If it was all sorts of horrible, where were you ?

Well, since we are ignoring the fact that I didn't vote PV which should tell you that I didn't like the PV case....

here I state that Thors PV case doesn't sway me.


Ok now you claim it was all kinds of "horrible"

yesterday you described it as merely
In post 1295, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1268, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1258, Nero Cain wrote:your case on PV is that:
he has bad reads
you feel he lied to you
and he thought you were scummy for bringing up MB?

My case is more eloquent, but, yes, you have functionally simplified it down - though I think the third and the first point are the same point - as the only read I cited as bad enough to be scummy is the read involving multiball, and I have no other scumtell associated with the multiball point other than inability to defend his belief in it being scummy. I also would note the lie is one I said he directed at town in general, not me in particular, though I will agree I was amongst those he lied to.

ok well...
TBH that case doesn't sway me but ok
, lets say that I'm wrong and PV is scum. Who are the non PV scum in this game?


Your claim today about that case in no way matches the views you expressed yesterday.
You are making stuff up to suit your needs.

If it was all sorts of horrible, where were you ?

WOAH! I did NOT see that coming. :igmeou:

You are once again using semantics to push a "contradiction". I didn't vote PV, I told Thor straight up that his case didn't sway me. So I didn't use the word "horrible" yesterday, it is functionally the same thing. This is now the second time that you've tried to push something like this. At least its bad town play but to steal a phrase from IZ "there's scum motivation in that."
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Post Post #3577 (isolation #142) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:53 pm

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ok, show me the post where I town read Thor.
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Post Post #3579 (isolation #143) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:00 pm

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In post 3576, AxleGreaser wrote:yesterday you merely said it didn't sway you.

I was also voting him :roll:
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Post Post #4050 (isolation #144) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:41 pm

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i might start to care about this game later

Care about it now.
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Post Post #4121 (isolation #145) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:26 pm

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In post 4050, Nero Cain wrote:i might start to care about this game later

Care about it now.

I'M TRYING!!!!!

but like I'm being so lazy and there are so many bad players.


like I don't want to kill shiro or boon yet. I guess GM, Rein and Dave can go there as well.


Would pl

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So I'm kinda thinking that are there.
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Post Post #4133 (isolation #146) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:32 pm

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In post 4127, AxleGreaser wrote:are these the people you consider scummy.

yes, it was supposed to read
So I'm kinda thinking that
scum
are there.


In post 4127, AxleGreaser wrote:If so,as you are LAZY and are not pushing your flub lynch....
Why are you not taking the LAZY easier option of voting JoshB/Garmr slot?

Well I've posted about why I'm suspicious about Flubber. What else should I do? Why are you not sheeping me on Flub?
I thought Garmr was fairly scummy yes, but now that you asked this the wagon is 2 of my scum reads and a pl. So that makes me a lil wary. But just for shit and giggles, explain to me what moving my vote would accomplish?

In post 4127, AxleGreaser wrote:In your opinion, Your current wagon only has lazy voters an people you want to PL on it. I don´t believe you have a realistic expectation flub will get lynched today.

ummm...not really sure what the hell this is. I'm voting for who I think is scum, yes, maybe he won't get lynched 'cause no one is buying into my flubber case but I don't think that means I should stop voting my scumread. Are we close to deadline and we need to consolidate or something 'cause all I hear from you is "wah, don't vote Flubber."

If I'm so scummy for voting on a wagon of 2 ppl why are giving the people voting on vanity wagons?
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Post Post #4145 (isolation #147) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:45 pm

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In post 4143, reinoe wrote:
Boonskiies wrote:I got to the point that I wasn't going to be NK'd for the sheer fact I'd always be an easy mislynch.

This is bullshit. I suggest everyone read Boon's games. He's almost always read as VI town. And hardly ever gets nk'ed or mislynched.

Whats wrong with it? I'm not getting it? He's a derpy VI-or he atleast pretends like he is-and in this game in a claimed bulletproof townie and thus tried to (though a rather horrible job) draw the nk. Then in a bout of self awareness claims he wasn't going to get nked 'cause he was mislynch bait. Well, scum usually don't nk someone they think they can get lynched and or hedge against so exactly why is that bullshit?
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Post Post #4147 (isolation #148) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:49 pm

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My plan is to lynch others and if we are having trouble finding scum then we can kill Boons (preferably before lylo)
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Post Post #4151 (isolation #149) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:15 pm

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In post 4149, Izariael wrote:
In post 4146, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4141, Boonskiies wrote:I plan to get to Lylo on this, because everything I said makes sense.


Scum have to get past lylo to win.
Why if you are town are you planning that town will ever be at lylo
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It may all make sense to you. Maybe not to everyone else though.

Boon play the game not just your purposeful VI meta.


I really like the thought process of this post. Axle may be noisy in thread, but gems like this give me the impression that he isn't scum.

whiteknight the derp town more.
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Post Post #4154 (isolation #150) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:52 pm

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In post 4152, Izariael wrote:Derp town or not, it's still better than anti-town, so yeah, I'll take it.

ok? that has like nothing to do with anything.

SRS question, we aren't going to flip Boons today and maybe the next day so what do you hope to accomplish by continuing to fuss about Boons?
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Post Post #4194 (isolation #151) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:42 am

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intent to hammer
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Post Post #4204 (isolation #152) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:09 am

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In post 4155, Izariael wrote:I fail to see why people could be townreading him, unless it's his meta to lurk incessantly and tunnel blindly, but that's about the extent of my interest in him at this point. I just find it rather amusing that he lurks for days, then comes back to offer nothing new and another vanity vote that will achieve very little, if anything, then completely shuts down any attempts to engage him on it.

I'm really not understanding your point about fussing. I asked a question. He evaded it twice, so I continued to ask for a proper answer. If that's fussing, then damn do we have a lot of fussiness in this game, and every game ever.

At this point, I don't really think its about scumreading or town reading him. He's a claimed BP townie. Trying to draw the nightkill as bp town
IS
the optimal play. So that's kinda believable. Could he fake that as scum? Could he actually be bp scum? yes to both. Is his play bad? yes. But even if Boon is scum then there's going to be non Boon scum. But yeah, I think its in the best interest of the town to not lynch him right off the bat. I also think there's scum motivation in wanting to lynch a claimed bp.

So remind me of your non Boon scum reads.
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Post Post #4209 (isolation #153) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:12 am

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@Slandaar

let me get this correct....in a previous game Boon fake hammered someone. And Boon pointed out that he's done the same thing and you think Boon is scum for that?
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Post Post #4214 (isolation #154) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:17 am

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In post 4198, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4194, Nero Cain wrote:
intent to hammer

Cool - why do you find me worthy to hammer?

Claim: 1-shot JKer

Target - GM

I mostly wanted you to claim. I'm also agreeing with reinoe that it was silly to wait and claim until you were at l-1 and then not give your final reads. So why'd you target GM?
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Post Post #4217 (isolation #155) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:19 am

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In post 4215, Josh_B wrote:Thor, I don't understand why you would want a GM lynch earlier if you Jailkept her. What were the results?

:facepalm:

There is so much bad in this game.
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Post Post #4225 (isolation #156) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:27 am

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In post 4223, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4214, Nero Cain wrote:I mostly wanted you to claim.

Then you are a pro-scum player.

I disagree. Its 3 days till deadline and you were NOT going to claim until intent was declared so I declared intent so you'd claim and town would have the option to do something else if we wished.


In post 4214, Nero Cain wrote:So why'd you target GM?

Who should I have targeted instead?[/quote]
Your biggest townread, who you thought the scum would shoot at.
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Post Post #4231 (isolation #157) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:41 am

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In post 4212, Scripten wrote:
In post 4209, Nero Cain wrote:@Slandaar

let me get this correct....in a previous game Boon fake hammered someone. And Boon pointed out that he's done the same thing and you think Boon is scum for that?


He fake-hammered someone, they had Thor's reaction, and they were town.

He claims that Thor is scum because he did what another player did in the same situation as town.

Which is pretty dumb, not gonna lie.

TBF, waiting till intent to hammer and not not giving final reads is anti-town play. But if Boons thinks Thor is scum 'cause he had the same reaction as town in another game is pretty silly. It makes me feel bad that I'm arguing to not lynch him right off the bat in case he was telling the truth. I guess its possible that he plays up the VI card to avoid getting lynched. Though I have learned that I don't want to play with him ever again
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Post Post #4240 (isolation #158) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:50 am

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In post 4232, Thor665 wrote:Oh, my bad, normally when people play pro-town and offer hammer intent they consider the intent to be offered on a scummy player.
You hedged away from that and went with 'role reveal' aka rolfishing aka a pro-scum move.

I've been willing to pl you since d1 and I still don't care if you die but getting you to hurry up and claim is moving the game along.

In post 4235, Boonskiies wrote:Is anyone else but me leaning scum on Nero?

Why do you think I am scum other than being pissed at me for hating your play?

In post 4238, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4235, Boonskiies wrote:Is anyone else but me leaning scum on Nero?

I am.
Not a lot though.

What have I done?
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Post Post #4241 (isolation #159) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:53 am

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In post 4232, Thor665 wrote:in a game I had repeatedly been describing as full of poor town play.

pot? kettle?
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Post Post #4245 (isolation #160) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:57 am

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Post Post #4257 (isolation #161) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:10 am

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In post 4249, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 4245, Nero Cain wrote:give me an example of me twisting words and taking things out of context.



My whole situation.

I don't think I am?

You were in a game and fake hammered someone who was town. In this game Thor reacted the same way and yet you said to hammer him 'cause he was scum for it. Someone said that was silly and I agreed. What exactly am I misrepping here?

In post 4250, Boonskiies wrote:You also were WK'ing me so hard earlier.

I don't believe I did this. I suggested we shouldn't lynch you right off the bat but that's all. Ironically Thor is now arguing the same thing.
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Post Post #4261 (isolation #162) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:15 am

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In post 4258, Boonskiies wrote:I'm fucking done. ^ This guy.

and now you are claiming that you made a mistake so ok? so no, I'm not misrepping anything.
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Post Post #4265 (isolation #163) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:22 am

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I don't think I ever said anything about him being read as a VI. The only things I remember arguing is that he's claimed bp and we shouldn't lynch him right off the bat and that his d1 softclaim wasn't super scummy as Tier and garmr said it was.

I'm not even quite sure what he arguing now. I'm not even voting Boon so I don't understand what he thinks I'm doing.
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Post Post #4276 (isolation #164) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:36 am

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In post 4274, Boonskiies wrote:Nero's trying to brush me aside now so he doesn't slip up.

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Post Post #4287 (isolation #165) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:42 am

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In post 4279, TierShift wrote:I so hope gm somehow confirms thor's claim

:facepalm:

GM won't be able to confirm this. In what game, on this site, have you seen a player been told who targeted them?

In post 4282, TierShift wrote:Also nero is very high on my scum list but I have never taken the effort to ISO him. Everything he says feels wrong though.

OMGUS much.
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Post Post #4289 (isolation #166) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:44 am

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Would you stop helping the scumteam?
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Post Post #4292 (isolation #167) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:47 am

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I think you need to grow the fuck up.
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Post Post #4296 (isolation #168) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:50 am

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In post 4293, T S O wrote:I'm still young enough to not have the comment be relevant, sorry!

Well that makes sense.
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Post Post #4303 (isolation #169) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:55 am

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In post 4294, Shiro wrote:
In post 4265, Nero Cain wrote:I don't think I ever said anything about him being read as a VI


Shiro wrote:
In post 2620, Nero Cain wrote:Well,
Boon is a claimed VI
. He softclaimed yesterday. He said he'd talk about it today. I think its obvious that his softclaim was going to be and will be for the remainder of the game until he flips (or full claims), a major point of discussion. As I said, he's a claimed Vi (and maybe I'm giving him too much credit here) I don't actually think he's dumb enough to go "hey ya'll are going to talk about me!" and then when you ask him why he thinks that (which was a super dumb questions anways) he talks about the hoods?


In post 4145, Nero Cain wrote:Whats wrong with it? I'm not getting it?
He's a derpy VI
-or he atleast pretends like he is-and in this game in a claimed bulletproof townie and thus tried to (though a rather horrible job) draw the nk. Then in a bout of self awareness claims he wasn't going to get nked 'cause he was mislynch bait. Well, scum usually don't nk someone they think they can get lynched and or hedge against so exactly why is that bullshit?


@Nero I am pretty sure you did


So any comments on that ?

The difference is that neither 4145 or 2620 or me claiming that he's not scum 'cause he's a vi...wich is what you are claiming that I said.
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Post Post #4305 (isolation #170) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:57 am

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In post 4282, TierShift wrote:Also nero is very high on my scum list but I have never taken the effort to ISO him. Everything he says feels wrong though.

OMGUS much.

HAVE YOU VOTED ME YOU COCKROACH?

no but I also only have 1 vote and I've been calling you scummy since d1, have you been ignoring that?
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Post Post #4306 (isolation #171) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:58 am

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In post 4304, T S O wrote:
vote: nero cain

stop playing against your wincon.
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Post Post #4314 (isolation #172) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:04 pm

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In post 4310, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 4309, Izariael wrote:
In post 4290, T S O wrote:I would be up for a Nero Cain lynch on policy basis alone.

Not sure about Boon though.

What changed from earlier?
In post 2979, T S O wrote:It's disturbing how much I like Nero this game.



He probably looked at his ISO.

naw, he's pissed off that I said I'd pl him earlier.
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Post Post #4318 (isolation #173) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:09 pm

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In post 4267, Boonskiies wrote: You aren't really voting anyone this game. You've voted Thor and Flubber...(not going to count TobyLoby from early game). Thor...and Flubber...come on. Two always easily mislynched people.

This is my first game with Flubber. Him being easily mislynchable doesn't mean he's town here. I also don't think that Thor is an easy mislynch.


Also, you aren't giving much information really. You are flat out sprouting fluff, repeating things that's already been said, and you are asking easy to ask questions that make it
seem
like you are doing something.

Just 'cause I'm not a fluff monkey like TSO, Thor or Axle doesn't mean there's not content.
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Post Post #4319 (isolation #174) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:10 pm

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In post 4317, Boonskiies wrote:Yes, but I'm not keeping caught up on the thread. ^

What exactly am I avoiding?
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Post Post #4328 (isolation #175) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:15 pm

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I'm not sure that Shiro and Axle even know what a contradiction is.
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Post Post #4332 (isolation #176) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:26 pm

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no. He's a claimed VI is a statement 'cause he claimed he was a VI and he is a derpy VI is a statement 'cause he is or atleast pretends like one.

I prob have argued that he might be less likely to be scum 'cause of his claimed role but I don't think I've ever argued that he's undoubtedly town 'cause he's a VI. If that was my logic then I'd be town reading the whole game.
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Post Post #4356 (isolation #177) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:03 pm

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In post 4355, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4318, Nero Cain wrote:I also don't think that Thor is an easy mislynch.


Indeed you dont, you claim believe he is

In post 3373, Nero Cain wrote:I'd pl this
<thor>
slot.

:igmeou:

Me being willing to PL Thor 'cause I'm unsure on him=//=my belief in how hard/easy he is to lynch.
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Post Post #4358 (isolation #178) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:08 pm

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In post 4341, AxleGreaser wrote:Early D1. reasons (ask fonz what awas decent at 1119 (IIRC I saw stuff but did say anything (was busy))


weak kneed limp wristed pushes. 2600

Contrary to his memory he argued several points in defence of Boon. 2975 has a spoiler with links back to what he said. and it just keeps going.... 3026

3383 discrepancy between how bad NC claims the pereV case is today (horrible) and how much he said or did anything about that.
3541 << example of explicit (convenient) shift in how the PereV case was viewed. (3576 3580 3581
3585 Scummy ground shifting Bullshit.

and then there is the intent to hammer stuff (for the purpose of getting a claim(intent)) from just before

your "reasons" are bad.

I thought you were scummy for claiming that Boons contradicted himself, when he didn't. Your reaction was to start questioning me and treating me like a scum read, which is the definition of a OMGUS attack. Yes, I know that OMGUS does come from town but it also comes from scum and I think its hard to tell the difference between the two. IF you called someone scum and they attack you back, would you think they are scum or town?

Yea, I never said that I didn't defend Boons. Now I did say that I'm not using his VI status to call him town. Is that what you are talking about? If so, there's a big difference.

The rest of the stuff about my belief that the PV case was lame and that I contradicted myself is more rubbish.

You are also retroactively claiming that I was scummy on d1 despite not saying anything until I attacked you. Still ok with pling Axle.
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Post Post #4360 (isolation #179) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:12 pm

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I am also not a fan of a Beast wagon. Yea, he lurks as town and does nothing. He might do that as scum but I've never played with scum him. I'll switch my vote to Thor or Josh here soon or maybe even start a Tier or Scripten wagon.
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Post Post #4363 (isolation #180) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:21 pm

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In post 4359, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4356, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4355, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4318, Nero Cain wrote:I also don't think that Thor is an easy mislynch.


Indeed you dont, you claim believe he is

In post 3373, Nero Cain wrote:I'd pl this
<thor>
slot.

:igmeou:

Me being
willing to PL Thor
'cause
I'm unsure on him
=//=my belief in how hard/easy he is to lynch.


Sorry WAT
you PL NULL reads (== unsure on him?)

YOU are claiming that my being ok with policy lynching him is ALSO my claiming that that I think he's an easy lynch. Wich makes about as much sense as TSO with a paragon scummie. Yes, I am unsure on Thor 'cause he did three things that I didn't like yesterday. He called me townish but didn't back this up. Said my reads were bad but when I asked him to explain why they are bad he didn't do this. I did not like his PV case but this is more null 'cause town can push bad cases as well so that is why I've been willing to PL him since yesterday. And thats what PL's are for. Its lynching reads that you are unsure of.

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Post Post #4366 (isolation #181) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:58 pm

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In post 4362, AxleGreaser wrote:It saves you having to actual claim scum intent on anything you read.

This is also false. I have scum reads, I posted them in my last list. I know you know this 'cause you quoted me.
Most
of my reasoning is in thread or in my pt so if you knew I had scum reads why would you lie and claim that I don't? And if you didn't know/understand something. Why not just ask?
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Post Post #4369 (isolation #182) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:03 pm

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Might sheep you on Thor but the rest of my reads are solid so what else ya got?
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Post Post #4374 (isolation #183) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:09 pm

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In post 4342, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4240, Nero Cain wrote:I've been willing to pl you since d1 and I still don't care if you die but getting you to hurry up and claim is moving the game along.

My bad, that sounds super pro-town when you explain it like that.
:neutral:

I AGREE! but like, you refusing to claim until there was intent on you is stalling.



In post 4240, Nero Cain wrote:What have I done?

It's more 'what haven't you done'?
To which I would answer - scumhunt and offer a fair spread of reads.

I've done just as much, if not more today. You were TOWN reading me yesterday. So what has changed? Same thing that I told that other fluff monkey---I JUST posted a list of reads. I have no clue why you two are playing revisionist and claiming things that happened really didn't.
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Post Post #4375 (isolation #184) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:18 pm

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In post 4371, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4366, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4362, AxleGreaser wrote:It saves you having to actual claim scum intent on anything you read.

This is also false. I have scum reads, I posted them in my last list. I know you know this 'cause you quoted me.
Most
of my reasoning is in thread or in my pt so if you knew I had scum reads why would you lie and claim that I don't? And if you didn't know/understand something. Why not just ask?


and yet with all those scum reads and reasons you claim to have

In post 4356, Nero Cain wrote:Me being willing to
PL Thor 'cause I'm unsure on him
=//=my belief in how hard/easy he is to lynch.


you wan to PL Thor
because
your unsure on him

You may be selling this stuff but i am not buying it.

:?

I have multiple reads and that is my read on Thor?
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Post Post #4378 (isolation #185) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:23 pm

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So Axle, you need to self vote. You are claiming that contradictions are so scummy and yet you just contradicted yourself.

Earlier you blasted me for voting my SCUMREAD Flubber

but now you are blasting me for being willing to vote Thor and not lynch my scum read (which at this point in d2 is nigh on impossible and makes no sense for you to fuss about that)
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Post Post #4379 (isolation #186) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:30 pm

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In post 4376, The Fonz wrote:Seriously, I piss town motive in this game.

PV called. :shifty:

In post 4377, reinoe wrote:Like sometimes townies do things that don't fucking make sense

I think it makes plenty of sense? I don't care if Thor lives or dies but he isn't one of my main scum reads so I'm ok with lynching him.
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Post Post #4380 (isolation #187) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:43 pm

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So lets talk about Scriptens actions in the hood last night.

TSO wasn't posting and I called him on it. He said that he forgot and then wanted to talk about Anen. He also asked if we got a night start pm. I told him no and then asked him about his Fonz and Garmr reads. Scripten then made a post that made it sound like me and TSO were fighting. I thought it was strange that he was acting like me and TSO were getting into it. His response was that the night dl was over and to ignore him.
This seemed weird and scummy.
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Post Post #4383 (isolation #188) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:01 pm

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In post 4381, The Fonz wrote:Anyway, having strong scum reads and pushing them is in no sense incompatible with town motive.

perhaps but I think there's possible scum motivation to misreading a player and being on a mislynch but you were voting Flubber with me so eh, maybe the PV vote was just you being wrong.
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Post Post #4385 (isolation #189) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:10 pm

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In post 4382, Scripten wrote:All I saw was you telling TSO that you wouldn't talk to him about what he'd asked about. I wanted to get information from both of you before the night deadline was up. Lo and behold, NEITHER OF YOU FECKING POSTED ANYTHING.

Exactly what was the scum motivation behind that? FFS.

no where did I EVER say that I wouldn't talk to him. He asked a yes or no question and I said no. Me and you were actually discussing our reads, why are you claiming that I posted nothing? Do you think TSO not posting anything is scummy?
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Post Post #4388 (isolation #190) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:58 pm

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In post 4387, Scripten wrote:3 - TSO -finally- shows up, asks if we all can talk about Anen.
4 - Nero says "no" and tells TSO to tell him about Fonz and Garmr.

TSO also asked if we got a night start pm. Why is this absent from your pbp?

I GUESS its possible that you could misinterpreted my "no" but meh.
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Post Post #4390 (isolation #191) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:06 pm

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Post Post #4393 (isolation #192) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:32 pm

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In post 4391, Thor665 wrote:i was pushing people to advance the wagon enough so I could get the claim out of the way - forcing both wagon accontability *and* a claim.

So...you wanted to get the claim out of the way and so did I but I am some how scummy for wanting the same thing you did?

Yours is the only viable wagon that I support unless an Axle or TSO wagon pops up *hint hint* or if the Josh B wagon grows.
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Post Post #4397 (isolation #193) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:53 pm

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not really? I mean, TSO is just incredibly bad and his vote his blisteringly stupid. Axle is saying really dumb things and slightly scummy things. I don't think its in towns best interest to keep these two around.

Nothing has really changed much from 4121 except I'm rethinking Scripten a little.
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Post Post #4400 (isolation #194) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:16 pm

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In post 4399, AxleGreaser wrote:@NEro
In post 4157, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4151, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4149, Izariael wrote:
In post 4146, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4141, Boonskiies wrote:I plan to get to Lylo on this, because everything I said makes sense.


Scum have to get past lylo to win.
Why if you are town are you planning that town will ever be at lylo
?
It may all make sense to you. Maybe not to everyone else though.

Boon play the game not just your purposeful VI meta.


I really like the thought process of this post. Axle may be noisy in thread, but gems like this give me the impression that he isn't scum.

whiteknight the derp town more.

(as no one was wking boon there)

How do you know the derp is town?

If the Derp is known to you to be town (and you are town), why cant that just be a read by another towny?

As you seem quite convinced the derp is town, whats the white knighting protecting from?

I like how you fuss at me to answer questions/respond to your posts but you ignore mine like the plague.

I also wasn't saying that anyone was whiteknighing Boon, I was accusing IZ of whitenighting you.

scum often whiteknight town/folks not on thier team to get on their good side.

Boons is a claimed BP and lynchbait. If he's town then scum prob think he's telling the truth and they won't waste bullets on him (and will thus try to get him lynched) I don't think its some cray cray thought process that he expects to live. And thats why I think IZ calling your post a gem looks like whiteknighting to me.

Though gut still says that we should wait and see I do have one niggle that Boon started calling me scum as soon as I started talking about not letting him live to lylo.
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Post Post #4410 (isolation #195) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:11 pm

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In post 4402, Thor665 wrote:If you had said 'I find you scummy' then we wouldn't have been having this conversation.
But you said you voted me to force a claim, no more, and no less - and *now* you apparently also find my lynchworthy even though the claim is about as alignment null as a claim can be.

I've explicitly stated that I'm perfectly fine with you eating rope and lightly suspected you. (I started saying this LONG before any intent to hammer claim.) There is no *and now*. Getting you to claim is moving the game along. That's not scummy in the least.

In post 4406, AxleGreaser wrote:How do you know the derp(Axle) is town?

If the Derp(Axle) is known to you to be town (and you are town), why cant that just be a read by another towny?

As you seem quite convinced the derp(Axle) is town, whats the white knighting protecting from?

All this was answered in my previous post but I'll help you out here.

If IZ is scum I think this points heavily to you town. Why should I not think that?

Yes, she can be town and have a town read on you but look at what you JUST posted. You are implying that she's a town read 'cause she's calling you town. If not, convince me of IZ town
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Post Post #4411 (isolation #196) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:29 pm

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@Axxle
In post 4358, Nero Cain wrote:I thought you were scummy for claiming that Boons contradicted himself, when he didn't. Your reaction was to start questioning me and treating me like a scum read, which is the definition of a OMGUS attack. Yes, I know that OMGUS does come from town but it also comes from scum and I think its hard to tell the difference between the two.
IF you called someone scum and they attack you back, would you think they are scum or town?


but yeah, everything I've said makes sense, is town motivated and correct town play. If I'm going to get OMGUS attacked for stepping on toes then so be it I guess.
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Post Post #4414 (isolation #197) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:11 pm

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In post 4411, Nero Cain wrote:@Axxle
In post 4358, Nero Cain wrote:I thought you were scummy for claiming that Boons contradicted himself, when he didn't. Your reaction was to start questioning me and treating me like a scum read, which is the definition of a OMGUS attack. Yes, I know that OMGUS does come from town but it also comes from scum and I think its hard to tell the difference between the two.
IF you called someone scum and they attack you back, would you think they are scum or town?

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Post Post #4416 (isolation #198) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:28 pm

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In post 4413, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4400, Nero Cain wrote:I was accusing IZ of whitenighting you.

scum often whiteknight town/folks not on thier team to get on their good side.

Which is pure mafia theoretical fluff.

I don't think its fair to blast for answering your questions when this was the only explanation.

like here

"As you seem quite convinced the derp(Axle) is town, whats the white knighting protecting from?"

like you can't go "oh why would scum whiteknight me?"

and then fuss when the only explanation is the scum whiteknight to buddy up to a player.


In post 4410, Nero Cain wrote:
If IZ is scum I think this points heavily to you town. Why should I not think that?

Well this is not what you original statement meant at all.

You said
In post 4151, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4149, Izariael wrote:
In post 4146, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4141, Boonskiies wrote:I plan to get to Lylo on this, because everything I said makes sense.


Scum have to get past lylo to win.
Why if you are town are you planning that town will ever be at lylo
?
It may all make sense to you. Maybe not to everyone else though.

Boon play the game not just your purposeful VI meta.


I really like the thought process of this post. Axle may be noisy in thread, but gems like this give me the impression that he isn't scum.

whiteknight the derp town(Axle) more.


That statement refers to me as derp town as if you already know.

I think Iz is scum, so I think this makes you not IZ scum. That's totes logical and is consistent with my claim of calling you derp town. I can't see any reason why you think that I SHOULDN'T think you are town if IZ is scum unless you are now claiming to be scum.
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Post Post #4417 (isolation #199) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:29 pm

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keep ignoring the fuck out of 4358.
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