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Grand Idea Mafia

Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:12 am

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Vanilla Town



In this topic: The role list for Grand Idea Mafia. Post a role to be included at the top of your post. This can be anything, a normal thing like a Cop or a weird thing like a Compulsive Firebreathing Serial Killer Jester. For Grand Idea Mafia, a person simply takes this thread, and randomizes between 0 - last post number. They then become the role at the top of that post.

If you want to post in this thread something that isn't a crazy role (commenting on a role or something), at least put
Vanilla Town
at the top of your post. I mean we'll need some of those anyways.

And go

Q and A:
Isn't this Worst/Best role ideas?

No, a shit ton of Worst/Best role ideas is discussion. This is going to be a role list. With discussion. But the discussion has Vanilla Town at the top. So basically yes it's Worst/Best role ideas.

chesskid posted about how dumb this thread is and didn't put a role at the top of his post and I rolled his post number! What do?

You're a Vanilla Townie.

Can I steal a role from Worst Role Ideas/Best Role Ideas?

Yeah sure.

What's the point of this thread?

Theoretically, when this reaches 200+ posts, I'll use it in a micro.

Wow! X posted a role that really god damned broken! I want to run Grand Idea, what do I do?

Just say it's excluded. I'll try to keep a list in an early post of "Roles I would try to exclude" but I'll probably stop updating after 10 posts.

The alignment of the role isn't stated...

If the description doesn't mention win con and there is no mod, assume it's town. If there is a mod for the game, it’s up to the mods discretion.

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Post Post #1 (isolation #1) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:12 am

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Vanilla Town


List of shitty roles I'd exclude:

none yet
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Post Post #2 (isolation #2) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:12 am

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Post Post #3 (isolation #3) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:14 am

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Compulsive Bodyguard Survivor


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Post Post #5 (isolation #4) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:16 am

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Post Post #11 (isolation #5) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:28 am

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Mafia Lover


Just to balance it out
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Post Post #13 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:30 am

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Post 13 so Jump To Last Number


This isn't actually a role, jump to the last number in this thread. That's your role.
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Post Post #14 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:34 am

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Mafia Adder


Choose two people at the start of the game. Their two role numbers will be added together. The sum will be your role. You will still keep the Mafia Alignment, only recieving the role part of that numbered post.

If the sum is a post number not in the thread, the mod will divide it by two until it is a post in the thread.
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Post Post #18 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:35 am

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Town Cop

(Mafia or not Mafia)

@Saulres: What if I get Mafia Goon and Vanilla Townie
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Post Post #20 (isolation #9) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:36 am

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Post Post #21 (isolation #10) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:38 am

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Mafia Visitor


You can visit someone every night if you want.
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Post Post #22 (isolation #11) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:38 am

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Post Post #23 (isolation #12) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:40 am

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Suicidal Underdog


When the first death occurs, adopts the alignment of the dead player. Starts as Survivor. Unstoppably dies night 1.
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Post Post #25 (isolation #13) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:43 am

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Mafia Mega Gladiator


During day can say
Challenge: All
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Post Post #26 (isolation #14) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:43 am

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Mafia Mega Gladiator


During day can say
Challenge: All
. Players can now only vote for you or "All." If you are voted by majority, you are lynched. If "All" are voted by majority, everyone is lynched except you.
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Post Post #27 (isolation #15) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:43 am

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Mafia Mega Gladiator


During day can say
Challenge: All
. Players can now only vote for you or "All." If you are voted by majority, you are lynched. If "All" are voted by majority, everyone is lynched except you.
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Post Post #28 (isolation #16) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:44 am

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Mafia Mega Gladiator


During day can say
Challenge: All
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Post Post #31 (isolation #17) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:48 am

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Town Yellow Goo


Anyone who targets you at night with a factional or non-factional action has their role changed to 'Jester'. You win with the town.

(A Jester's new role PM reads:
You have no powers other than the vote. You win when you are lynched.
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Post Post #32 (isolation #18) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:50 am

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Compulsive Bodyguard Catherine


You win if you are the first to die (either by lynch or nightkill, whichever happens first) OR if you are one the last two players alive.
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Post Post #33 (isolation #19) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:54 am

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Post Post #37 (isolation #20) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:02 pm

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Town Los Vegas


During the first day, you must post the words
Bippity Boppity Boo
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In that quicktopic you guys both send the mod one of rock, paper, or scissors. This then splits into four scenarios:
A. The winner plays rock:
The loser becomes pregnant. The loser must then go around the site and find someone willing to post in the game as a baby. The player can only say "Goo goo" and may only vote for the player who was voted third into the day. If the baby dies, then the mother turns into a mad scientist and that night compulsively revives the baby as a robot. The player must find someone else to replace into the slot. This player can only say "Ga ga." After a full day, the mother must disappear without an alignment flip because she's so sad her baby is not who they used to be and so she ran away.
B. The winner plays paper:
The loser must go facebook and say "If I get 100 likes I'll post myself naked." For every like, the winner gains an additional vote. If the loser's mom likes the post, the winner becomes a king, and can choose who is lynched that day.
C. The winner plays scissors:
The loser dies. The loser then gains a quicktopic with the winner. The winner can then type in thread "
SWAP
" and the loser will take over his slot. The loser can type the same thing to switch back to the winner.
D. Both lurk out
Find 10 replacements for each slot. Don't tell them about the other replacements. The first replacement to figure out what has happened wins the game.

If for some reason the person instead types
Bippity Boppity Bu
then every player becomes a dayvig. They can shoot anyone, but everyone is also given a lover. A player knows who they love, but doesn't know who loves them. The first person to shoot will shoot, and different scenarios occur depending on what they shoot:
A. Shoot town
Players must go to the mafia discussion and argue about whether it's correct for a dayvig to shoot with lovers involved. Any time it is asked if this involves an ongoing game, it must be denied. The person shot must say it's dumb and should never be done while the shooter must insist it's a good idea.
B. Shoot mafia
The losing player must leave the site and instead play at epicmafia. If the player plays an epicmafia game and posts a link to it in thread, they can return to Mafiascum.
C. Shoot third party
The shooter is assigned a random scummer and must pretend to be them for the remainder of the game. Any time they are deemed not playing to that player's personality they will be modkilled.

  • Mod must supply a facebook account if requested. (Can be a completely new one). Player gets a high five if they use their actual facebook.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #21) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:03 pm

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Town Dolphin


No matter who is lynched, you always will flip.

Looks like:
X, a Y has been lynched.
You, a
Dolphin
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Post Post #42 (isolation #22) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:09 pm

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Mafia Tomato


You will flip as "Mafia Ketchup."

(Megaman is a pretty awesome role.)
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Post Post #44 (isolation #23) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:11 pm

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Mafia 1-shot Revivor


During the night, target a dead player. This will revive target player at the start of the next day.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #24) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:15 pm

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Corkscrew


Before the game begins, flip all alignments of players. (Non-town become Town, Town become Mafia) The Corkscrew then joins whichever alignment has less players.
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Post Post #102 (isolation #25) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:43 pm

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Town Kidnapper


Select a player each night. If you die, your target will as well.
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Post Post #103 (isolation #26) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:46 pm

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Mafia Role Caller


At the start of the game, is informed of what roles are in the game, but not who has what role.
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Post Post #104 (isolation #27) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:46 pm

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Vanilla Town
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Post Post #105 (isolation #28) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:47 pm

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Town Mason
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Post Post #107 (isolation #29) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:47 pm

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Town Lover
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Post Post #108 (isolation #30) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:47 pm

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Post Post #110 (isolation #31) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:50 pm

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Town Monitored Beloved Princess


Monitored
- At the start of the game, the Mafia are informed that a "Town Monitored Beloved Princess" exists.
Beloved Princess
- If you are lynched, the next day phase is skipped.
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Post Post #112 (isolation #32) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:53 pm

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Town Scrabbler


Letter Pickup
- Target a player and submit three numbers, none of which can be consecutive to each other. The letters that correspond with the numbers in the target's role name will be added to your bank.

Example: If the name is Town Macho Cop, and you submit 1 3 and 7, you'll recieve m, c, and o. The alignment and spaces are skipped.

Spell Power
- Use your letters to spell a basic role such as "cop" or "doctor." You recieve 1-shot of that ability. You must spell the full ability. (No doc for doctor). Once you use up letters, they can not be reused.
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Post Post #115 (isolation #33) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:01 pm

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Mafia Ninja
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Post Post #116 (isolation #34) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:02 pm

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Town Weak CPR Doctor
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Post Post #118 (isolation #35) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:10 pm

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Post Post #119 (isolation #36) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:10 pm

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Post Post #120 (isolation #37) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:11 pm

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Post Post #122 (isolation #38) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:21 pm

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Town Torchbearer


When you die, the votes the next day are all submitted privately and no votecounts are posted.
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Post Post #124 (isolation #39) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:27 pm

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Vanilla Townie


(EHEUEHEUEHEUHEUEHE

Better than lightkeeper)
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Post Post #125 (isolation #40) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:30 pm

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Lynchproof Assassin


You win and leave the game if you kill a non town player. You can target a player every night to kill them.
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Post Post #127 (isolation #41) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:40 pm

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Town Pirate Captain


Each night, may target a player. This gives them the "Pirate" modifier, which allows them to see Ninjas perform their actions. The person is informed that "Argh! Ye be a Pirate now!"
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Post Post #128 (isolation #42) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:41 pm

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Town Day 2 Rolepicker


Day 2, you pick your role from any role in this thread that is Town aligned.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #43) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:41 pm

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Mafia Day 2 Rolepicker


Day 2, you pick your role from any role in this thread that is Mafia aligned.
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Post Post #138 (isolation #44) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:20 pm

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Town Pyromaniac


Douse
-During the night, you may target a player to douse them.
Light
- During the night, you may light all doused targets.
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Post Post #139 (isolation #45) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:20 pm

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Arsonist


Douse
-During the night, you may target a player to douse them.
Light
- During the night, you may light all doused targets.
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Post Post #140 (isolation #46) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:22 pm

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Post Post #142 (isolation #48) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:22 pm

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Post Post #147 (isolation #49) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:32 pm

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Jelly Townie


You must be very upset in your first post about being a townie.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #50) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:02 pm

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Texas Justice Sheriff


Once per game, you can send the mod "Texas Justice Time." All vanillas obtain a gun. They can shoot the gun at any time, night or day.
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Post Post #168 (isolation #51) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:35 pm

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Town EMT


You will learn the identities of anyone visited by a Doctor of any sort.

(Los Vegas is town aligned, I'll go specify that.)
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Post Post #171 (isolation #52) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:38 pm

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Post Post #172 (isolation #53) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:39 pm

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Post Post #173 (isolation #54) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:40 pm

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Deathster


You win if you are killed.

If you are lynched, you lose.
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Post Post #175 (isolation #55) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:40 pm

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Post Post #176 (isolation #56) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:41 pm

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Post Post #177 (isolation #57) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:42 pm

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Tentacled Evangelistic Vigilante


Investigates as "Alien" to any "Alien/Not Alien" investigators and "Cult" to any "Cult/Not Cult" investigators.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #58) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:49 pm

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Paranormal JOAT


You have the following one-shot abilities, which may be used at night. You may not use more than one ability on any given night.

-Private Investigate: Investigate a player. You will receive a result in the format 'Cult/Not cult'.
-Conspiracy Theorist: Investigate a player. You will receive a result in the format 'Alien/Not alien'. During the night on which you use this ability, you will return results of 'Alien' to anyone who targets you with a Conspiracy Theorist ability.
-Black Space Goo: Any player who visits you will become Alien aligned or Cult aligned, corresponding to the investigative ability you used last. If no ability was used yet, the visiting player is vanillaized.
-Evidence: Any time you are visited, your ability shots are refreshed.[/quote]
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Post Post #181 (isolation #59) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:50 pm

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Post Post #182 (isolation #60) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:53 pm

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Post Post #184 (isolation #61) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:58 pm

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Werewolf Cub


If you die, the Werewolves get an additional kill the following night. Two kills may be made by a single werewolf.
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Post Post #190 (isolation #62) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:04 pm

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Post Post #191 (isolation #63) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:04 pm

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Post Post #192 (isolation #64) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:04 pm

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Post Post #196 (isolation #65) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:06 pm

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Alien Dayabductor


Can privately send a target to mod during the day. The target player will be abducted, disappearing from the game without a flip. The abducted player gains a private topic with his abductor. The abducted player retains communication is private topics, but may not speak at all in thread. The abducted player returns to the game in the event of the abductor dying.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #66) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:09 pm

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Town Triplicator


At the start of the game, players are divided into (number of non town players) + 1 groups. Players are divided randomly, except there must be one non town in all of the groups except one. Players for the first day may only lynch among their groups. Each group has their own lynch.
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Post Post #204 (isolation #67) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:13 pm

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Post Post #206 (isolation #68) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:17 pm

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Vanilla Townie


(That's probably really useful)
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Post Post #208 (isolation #69) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:19 pm

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Town Pep Talker


Can target one person each day. If that person is a Survivor, they will be converted to town.
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Post Post #275 (isolation #70) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:15 am

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Vanilla Town

In post 263, istott wrote:
town alphabet man

You have 26 oneshot abilities, each starting with a different letter. Pm a letter and a target each night.

(But what are the abilities

Like keep in mind, people could play this modless on skype so you can't just say "up to the mod.")
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Post Post #277 (isolation #71) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:18 am

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Mafia Mega Gladiator


(http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Seraph_Knight <-I assume this is what Seraph is.

I'll add a couple more mass Glads to try to fix it. Not ideal but what can ya do.)
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Post Post #278 (isolation #72) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:19 am

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Mafia Mega Gladiator
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Post Post #279 (isolation #73) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:19 am

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Mafia Mega Gladiator
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Post Post #280 (isolation #74) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:20 am

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Mafia Mega Gladiator


(Best course of action if you get a role that has shit up to the mod is reroll in my opinion unless you actually have a mod)
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Post Post #281 (isolation #75) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:21 am

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Vanilla Town


(I could also just edit my original Mass Gladiator to be two Mafia Gladiators and edit the above to be VTs. I've got to go, but will probably do that later.)
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Post Post #286 (isolation #76) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:18 am

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Vanilla Townie


In post 282, ChannelDelibird wrote:
Mafia Even-Night Tracker Odd-Night Doctor


Speaking of Skype, I might be able to playtest this as a mod sometime on Saturday (likely evening BST), if people are interested.

down.

The ratio of Mega Glads is now 2 town, 8 scum, so 20% town. If we can get whoever it was who added the two mega glads to change one to Vanilla Town or something different, I'll edit the aboves to Vanilla Towns so we don't have so many.
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Post Post #287 (isolation #77) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:22 am

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Grander Idea


Randomize two roles from this thread. Choose one of them.
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Post Post #288 (isolation #78) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:24 am

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Grandest Idea


Randomize three roles from this thread. Choose the role of one and the alignment of another.

Spoiler: test
Original Roll String: 9d288 (STATIC)
9 288-Sided Dice: (260, 138, 153, 195, 279, 206, 135, 187, 16) = 1569


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Post Post #289 (isolation #79) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:29 am

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Town Giraffe


You get an additional two food during evolution due to your long neck.
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Post Post #291 (isolation #80) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:31 am

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Survivor Townist


Any time non-town die by any means, you gain an additional 1-shot bulletproof vest.
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Post Post #293 (isolation #81) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:36 am

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Post Post #294 (isolation #82) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:36 am

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Alien Prober
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Post Post #296 (isolation #83) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:18 am

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Post Post #297 (isolation #84) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:19 am

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Town Blood Voter


You gain an additional number of votes each day equal to how many players died last night. This resets at the end of each day.
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Post Post #300 (isolation #85) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:02 am

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Town Knifesmith


Does same thing as Town Blade Expert but has a different name

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Post Post #302 (isolation #86) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:30 am

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Town Baker


Baker
- Each night you can give out bread to two different targets. They will be informed that they have recieved bread. If you die, anyone who doesn't have food (From Vendors or Baker or the like) will die after the next night.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #87) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:00 am

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Town Tree Ent


Tree
- If you are lynched, you will instead be treestumped.
Ent
- If you are a treestump, you can vote a player. This will give them an additional vote.
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Post Post #309 (isolation #88) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:00 am

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Town Treestump
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Post Post #310 (isolation #89) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:00 am

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Alien 1-shot Treestumper
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Post Post #311 (isolation #90) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:01 am

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Alien Mega Gladiator
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Post Post #315 (isolation #91) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:05 am

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Mafia Pirate Tracker


Pirate
- Yarr! The Ninja ability doesn't affect your investigations. (aka, if a ninja werewolf kills someone, you can see them do it because you are a pirate).
Tracker
- You can target a person each night. You will informed who they visited that night.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #92) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:06 am

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Town Pirate 1-shot Tracker
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Post Post #321 (isolation #93) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:08 am

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Town Smoker


Anyone who visits you more than once gets cancer. They will die from it the following night.
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Post Post #322 (isolation #94) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:08 am

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Post Post #323 (isolation #95) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:08 am

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Post Post #325 (isolation #96) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:28 am

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Vanilla Town


(Count 255 as a VT.)
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Post Post #328 (isolation #97) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:42 am

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Werewolf
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Post Post #329 (isolation #98) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:46 am

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Werewolf Family Member


Any player that would be Mafia-aligned is Werewolf-aligned instead.

(This resolves same time as death star, meaning Mafia and Werewolves would literally just switch alignments if they both existed.)
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Post Post #334 (isolation #99) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:50 am

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Compulsive Weak Werewolf Motivator
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Post Post #339 (isolation #100) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:51 am

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Underdog Dolphin
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Post Post #340 (isolation #101) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:51 am

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Vanilla Townie


In post 337, chesskid3 wrote:this thread is dumb

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Post Post #342 (isolation #102) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:52 am

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Town Seer
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Post Post #343 (isolation #103) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:53 am

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Post Post #346 (isolation #104) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:57 am

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Hirsute Miller


Appears as werewolf to "werewolf/not werewolf" investigations and mafia to "mafia/not mafia" investigations.
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Post Post #360 (isolation #105) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:55 am

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Underdog Odd Day Compulsive 1-shot Dayvig
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Post Post #368 (isolation #106) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:21 pm

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Town Superbsaint


If lynched, kills the first person on your lynch wagon.
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Post Post #415 (isolation #107) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:59 pm

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Vanilla Town

In post 411, Kaiveran wrote:
Vanilla Townie


Hey molla, my Strong-Willed Ninja Kill-Everything Guy can't work if he's the regular prime-then-ignite Arsonist.

Perhaps he should just have the title of Arsonist and the others can be Pyromaniacs or summat?

Or I can just rename him to Strong-Willed Firebreathing Super Rogue Ninja Killer or something of that stripe

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Post Post #441 (isolation #108) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:43 am

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Mafia Hag


Each night you may target a player. If anyone besides you visits the player you targeted, the player you visited will die.
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Post Post #442 (isolation #109) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:46 am

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Alien Buzzqueen


If any player in the game has something that relates to bees in their role pm, they are an Alien instead of their original alignment.
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Post Post #443 (isolation #110) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:46 am

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Post Post #444 (isolation #111) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:23 am

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Town God Loyal Redirector


God:
The God is basically dead slot (can not talk, vote, be voted for, or count toward vote count), but he has actions that he can do to affect the game. God knows everyone's alignment.
Loyal:
Your actions only work on people of your alignment.
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Every night, you may redirect someone's action.
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Post Post #445 (isolation #112) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:29 am

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Mafia God Redirector


God:
The God is basically dead slot (can not talk, vote, be voted for, or count toward vote count), but he has actions that he can do to affect the game. God knows everyone's alignment.
Redirector:
Every night, you may redirect someone's action.

Note: Does not have access to Mafia QT.
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Post Post #447 (isolation #113) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:52 pm

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Super Power Role


Mod will publicly confirm your role.
All Vanilla Townies reroll their number till they get a role that isn't Vanilla Townie. Disregard the alignment in the post, they are a town version of that role.
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Post Post #449 (isolation #114) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:21 pm

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Post Post #469 (isolation #115) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:08 pm

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Vanilla Townie

In post 453, Kaiveran wrote:
Town Starseed


Alien version of Traitor.


So wait, these are Alien aligned? Why does it say Town Starseed then why not just Alien Starseed <_<
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Post Post #470 (isolation #116) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:10 pm

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Town Loyal Bloodhound


In post 451, Kaiveran wrote:
Werewolf Loyal Wizard


(JK)

What the hell is a wizard
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Post Post #471 (isolation #117) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:12 pm

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Town Unknown


Unknown:
You will not flip your alignment or role upon death.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #118) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:12 pm

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Town Unknown
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Post Post #473 (isolation #119) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:13 pm

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Mafia Unknown
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Post Post #474 (isolation #120) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:19 pm

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Town Unknown Weak Bloodhound


Weak Bloodhound
- During the night, you can target a player. You will get a result in the way of "Town/Not Town." If the result is "Not Town," you will die.
Uknown
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Post Post #475 (isolation #121) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:27 pm

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Post Post #476 (isolation #122) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:32 pm

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Post Post #477 (isolation #123) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:32 pm

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Post Post #478 (isolation #124) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:33 pm

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Post Post #479 (isolation #125) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:34 pm

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Town Reflexive Loverizor Lover


Loverizor
- Causes anyone who visits them to become a lover to them. If one lover dies, they all die.
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Post Post #480 (isolation #126) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:34 pm

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Post Post #481 (isolation #127) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:34 pm

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Post Post #482 (isolation #128) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:35 pm

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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


If your join date is earlier than September 30, 2014, and your username is last in alphabetical order of all the players in the game, then you have already won. While you are alive, you may attempt to help or hinder any faction(s) as you see fit, but the final result of the game makes no difference to you, nor does your continued survival. Congratulations.

If you do not meet the above conditions, you are a Werewolf.
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Post Post #483 (isolation #129) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:36 pm

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Post Post #484 (isolation #130) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:36 pm

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Post Post #485 (isolation #131) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:38 pm

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Post Post #486 (isolation #132) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:40 pm

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Voteless Lyncher


Target is random.
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Post Post #487 (isolation #133) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:41 pm

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Post Post #488 (isolation #134) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:41 pm

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Post Post #490 (isolation #135) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:49 pm

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Alien Psychotrooper


Oh I though the jk was just kidding rofl
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Post Post #494 (isolation #136) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:05 pm

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Town Oh You


You may only post the following image(or one 90% similar) and votes:
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If anyone quotes your post and responds with this dog (or a picture of him 90% similar), your vote is doubled:
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Post Post #495 (isolation #137) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:07 pm

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Post Post #505 (isolation #138) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:56 am

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Vanilla Townie


10/4/2/1 Town/Mafia/WW/Aliens is probably ideal ratio?
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Post Post #513 (isolation #139) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:23 pm

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Mafia Goon


I already /in'd in the micro queue.
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Post Post #533 (isolation #140) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:47 am

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Mafia Rolecop

In post 522, istott wrote:
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How many people in grand idea mafia?
Also, love the mutalisk.

As many as you want
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Post Post #534 (isolation #141) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:49 am

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Town Depressed

Any abilities the depressed tries to use will be roleblocked.
(For example, if he was given a 1-shot cop and tried to use it, he'd recieve "No Result.")
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Busy the next 10 hours, ugh. Might get out of rehearsal in 6 instead.
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Post Post #543 (isolation #142) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:42 pm

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Post Post #590 (isolation #143) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:01 am

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Post Post #591 (isolation #144) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:03 am

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Kappa Underdog


Except for voting which you may do freely, you may only post the following in thread. The image may be resized:

1. Image
2. greyface
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Post Post #626 (isolation #145) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:17 pm

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Post Post #627 (isolation #146) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:18 pm

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Post Post #628 (isolation #147) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:18 pm

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Post Post #629 (isolation #148) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:18 pm

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Post Post #630 (isolation #149) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:18 pm

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Post Post #663 (isolation #150) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:03 pm

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1 Town Trigger Happy Cop


Kills your target and you get a "Mafia/Not Mafia" result.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #151) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:01 pm

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Town Chessmaster


Once, during they day, you may submit two names to the mod, one of which may be yours. The two players must then play a game of chess. The winner of the game gets a 1-shot vig, a 1-shot bulletproof vest, and a 1-shot cop. This game does not need to end at any certain time, and a player can forfeit at any time. (So a chess game could start day 1 and then end day 3)

If a player dies during the course of the chess game, the living player is considered the winner.

If both players die, nobody gets the rewards.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #152) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:34 am

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Post Post #763 (isolation #153) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:35 am

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Thanks Flames, it's all good. Tis the nature of Grand idea.
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Post Post #766 (isolation #154) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:43 am

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Mafia Goon


Urscum Monarch is probably useless. Maybe just make it so it can name any role and redirect it? Would be a cool tweak, a redirector who can't do anything till they get someone to claim.
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Post Post #767 (isolation #155) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:47 am

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Town Rolechooser


At any point in the game, send the mod the name of a role in this thread. You will then become that role for the rest of the game.
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Post Post #768 (isolation #156) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:50 am

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Town Rolechooser


Hey CDB, on the Pikachu role, could you include that only the first Pikachu accusation per day is valid? Otherwise I'm going to abuse the shit out of it.
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Post Post #769 (isolation #157) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:53 am

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Town Jailkeeper


Also please tell me we still have the pikachu picture
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Post Post #771 (isolation #158) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:58 am

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Town Cop


Also, make Pikachu accusations invalid or I'll abuse that too when I'm Pikachu
Edit: like pikachu making the accusations I mean
Edit2: nvm you understood my vague statement all good
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Post Post #783 (isolation #159) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:23 am

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Vanilla Town


For thermometer, do factional actions like night kills and recruits count as abilities?
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Post Post #803 (isolation #160) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:08 am

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Town Dictator


Every vote placed on him gives his vote the power of an additional vote. (One vote on him makes him a double voter, two votes on him makes him a triple voter, etc.)
If someone unvotes him, he loses the power of the additional vote.
Self votes do not apply to this ability. (Self voting doesn't add to his vote power)
This ability resets at the start of each day.
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Post Post #805 (isolation #161) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:13 am

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Alien Dictator


Agreed.
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Post Post #806 (isolation #162) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:40 am

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Town Double Voter


In post 794, Flames682 wrote:
Mafia Bulletproof Lightning Rod


Also super vanilla townie should only have half the town players be VTs chosen randomly. Just look at this .

I like it I think it's kinda funny
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Post Post #815 (isolation #163) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:36 pm

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Werewolf Weak Cop

In post 813, Cheery Dog wrote:
Mafia Weak Goon


In post 811, FakeGod wrote:
wow you clearly hate purple axe-wielding dinos

He f**ked me up with an ax.


Is this the version of "weak" that can't do nightkills? Or what.
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Post Post #816 (isolation #164) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:45 pm

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Deathly Ill Doctor
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Post Post #818 (isolation #165) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:52 pm

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Mafia Rolecop

In post 817, Cheery Dog wrote:Dies if it targets anti-town, I'd have added that description if I meant not able to do nightkills. (for some reason I was thinking that type had a different name)

It's k, imo it needs another name so you're good.
Edit: "It" mean a mafia member who can't kill.
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Post Post #819 (isolation #166) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:55 pm

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Mafia Pansy


Can not perform any action that is defined as "killing" (vig, poison, factional nightkill, etc.)
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Post Post #821 (isolation #167) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:14 pm

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Post Post #829 (isolation #168) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:32 pm

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Town 1-shot Unlynchable


In post 822, Flames682 wrote:Do you mean as in protect someone else from a kill like a regular doctor or a giving medicine doctor to the deathly ill?

Protect someone from a kill
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Post Post #847 (isolation #169) » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:34 am

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Town Depressed Doctor


Action will fail each night as if roleblocked.
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Post Post #852 (isolation #170) » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:50 pm

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Werewolf Bodygaurd


In post 846, Shadowmod wrote:
Omikron Wolf

What exactly is this
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Post Post #857 (isolation #171) » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:20 pm

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Mafia Ninja


Does the player know they recieved the modifier?
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Post Post #871 (isolation #172) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:36 am

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Hipster


Wins if he is the first player on a successful wagon. (A wagon that ends in a lynch)
If this occurs, the lynch wagon does not go through, instead the day ends in a no lynch.

In post 869, Cheery Dog wrote:I thought the while point of this was a neverending role list - why do you want to cut it off?
Obviously this isn't going to be played face to face. (it could be if everyone had a internet connection though, but that would just be hard)

No cut off, but I'm gonna designate my cut off for my game once it begins. (AKA, I'll make a post saying only posts x-y apply)
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Post Post #875 (isolation #173) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:56 pm

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Alien Compulsive 1-shot Mass Monkey


Must throw poop at everyone in the game during the first possible time they can.

In post 872, Cheery Dog wrote:
Town Monkey


Throws poop at people, they now have poop.

In post 873, Cheery Dog wrote:

Now it'll never be deleted.

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Post Post #879 (isolation #174) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:19 pm

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Secret Double Voter Hipster


Is a double voter (vote is worth two) but this does not show up on votecounts.
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Post Post #881 (isolation #175) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:31 pm

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Trial Voter


Has three different votes that can be placed.
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Post Post #885 (isolation #176) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:25 pm

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Triple Voter


The hell is double dip
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Post Post #890 (isolation #177) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:18 am

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At the start you are informed of how much of each alignment exist. During day 1, submit to the mod a number. You win if you predict which phase the game ends. (1 = day 1, night 1, 2 = day 2, night 2 etc.)
If you don't submit a number before the lynch you die.
If you get past the phase you predicted the game would end, you die.

(Note: This is the last role that will be included in the my run of the game.)
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Post Post #898 (isolation #178) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:29 am

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Warewolf


A werewolf with really good fashion. Any player the Warewolf visits is informed "You were visited by someone with really good taste in clothing!"

In post 892, Pine wrote:(Wow, Molla. That Prophet role is nasty. Do they count as Town for investigative purposes?)

Well Bloodhound gets "Not Town", most cops will get "Not Mafia" and "Not Werewolf" etc.

Also, is my name used even if I'm not in the game, or is "BBmolla" in that post equal to the player who has that role?
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Post Post #919 (isolation #179) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:01 am

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Werewolf Cop

In post 917, Flames682 wrote:
In post 853, theslimer3 wrote:
Ebola-chan

(Player must target a player every night. Has a 70% chance of killing. If the player is not killed, the user will die and the role of the target will have a modifier of ebola)


What alignment is this and what wincon

No alignment given, so town?
Edit: nvm see above post
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Post Post #923 (isolation #180) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:50 am

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Alien Reflexive PGOizer


Gimme a good name for a cop who targets a player and gets a "This player performed a killing action last night" or "This player did not perform a killing action last night."

Basically a weaker follower.
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Post Post #925 (isolation #181) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:05 pm

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Mafia Jailkeeper


http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... vestigator <-that is already in use
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Post Post #929 (isolation #182) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:19 pm

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Town Gumshoe


Targets a player and gets a "This player performed a killing action last night" or "This player did not perform a killing action last night."

Boom. Detective synonyms gave me this badass name, tyvm.
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Post Post #937 (isolation #183) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:01 am

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Town Commuter


Reinoe, if I roll that am I just a Hannibal Vanilla
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Post Post #944 (isolation #184) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:34 am

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Town Seraph Knight


In post 939, saulres wrote:
Town Restless Spirit


In post 937, BBmolla wrote:Reinoe, if I roll that am I just a Hannibal Vanilla


Maybe there should be a separate thread for modifiers?

I mean sure, I'd be into it. I love modifiers and coming up with new modifiers.

You could then make "Grand Modifier Idea Mafia" where you roll a role here and a modifier there
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Post Post #956 (isolation #185) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:45 am

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Compulsive Mime Recruiter


Wins when all mimes have been lynched. Must turn someone into a mime each night. Is a mime hismelf.

If a mime dies by nightkill, all mimes commit suicide.

Avoid using modifiers please, thanks. If you do use it, say in your post for the player to reroll and that they now have that modifier.
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Post Post #981 (isolation #186) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:53 pm

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Mafia Dolphin
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Post Post #1001 (isolation #187) » Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:02 pm

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Alien Dolphin

In post 1000, theslimer3 wrote:If this role isn't in your game, you, the mod, are a jester.

yeah no.
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Post Post #1005 (isolation #188) » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:13 pm

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Kelly Chen


At the start of the game:
Any Vanilla Townies are turned into Vengeful Townies.
One player from each scumteam is turned into a Politician. (AKA, Vengeful Godfather. If lynched, their faction loses.)
All scum factions lose the ability to nightkill but now instead have a factional roleblock.
Out of the 8 other players, if there are more town than scum, Kelly is mafia aligned.
If there are equal town and scum, Kelly is town aligned.
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Post Post #1040 (isolation #189) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:46 am

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Famous Last Words Townie


You die after your first post.

For future games: I think a good idea may be to randomize 50 different roles from this thread and then randomize from those roles and post all possible roles in the first post. A role list of 1000 is insane, and it might help balance out the games a bit by giving town more of an idea of what to look for.

I know it kind of goes against the spirit of Grand Idea, but if you wanted to try a not completely broken version of Grand Idea that's probably what should be done.
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Post Post #1253 (isolation #190) » Thu May 21, 2015 9:52 am

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Mafia Goon


Including secret mod notes is still silly cause it makes the role pointless if this is played modless.
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #191) » Thu May 21, 2015 10:38 am

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Town Taco Bell


Each night you may target a player. That player will recieve a Crunchwrap Supreme.

In post 1254, Narninian wrote:How do you run this game modless with cops and such?

On skype everyone randoms a post number. The first player lynched/dies becomes mod.
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Post Post #1256 (isolation #192) » Thu May 21, 2015 10:44 am

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Lover of Green


On night 1, if no "Taco Bell" (see above post) exists, a random town player will become a "Compulsive Taco Bell." This may be in addition to any other role they have. If a Taco Bell already exists, they will become a "Compulsive Taco Bell."

You win if you recieve a Crunchwrap Supreme. Taco Bell recieves a 1-shot dayvig and 1-shot bulletproof vest the day after the Lover of Green recieves the Crunchwrap Supreme.
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #193) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:51 pm

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Vanilla Townie
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Post Post #1309 (isolation #194) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:13 pm

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Town Macho Roleblocker
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Post Post #1319 (isolation #195) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:00 am

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Town Unloyal Cop


Your action only succeeds if your target is a part of another faction.
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Post Post #1321 (isolation #196) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:21 am

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Vanilla Townie


Yep
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Post Post #1333 (isolation #197) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:57 pm

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Town Regretful Vig


Each night may target a player. Will night kill and protect that player. Protection only protects from one night kill.
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #198) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:45 pm

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Town Jailkeeper


By the way I'm planning to host a Grand Idea large theme once my large normal is done.
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Post Post #1341 (isolation #199) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 9:10 am

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Town Weak Desperado


In post 1339, callforjudgement wrote:
Vanilla Townie


My recommendation is to reroll non-Town alignments once for each player, in an attempt to get the alignment balance closer to where it should be. (That is, if the first roll's townie, keep it; otherwise use the result of the second roll regardless of alignment.)

I was just going to reroll until I had at least 50% town, but that method would work too I suppose. Maybe I'll combine them.

and yeah you can /pre-in but I have no idea how long till it actually will be
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