In post 1094, Thor665 wrote: In post 1086, AxleGreaser wrote:Well I found mine, and I always like wagons that I find more than ones dished up to me.
If I dig around in mine, it is still possible TSO is town, but it will only happen if I dig.
Neither of these are a good reason to not vote Pere - in fact, one is a good reason to vote Pere.
In post 1086, AxleGreaser wrote:While you state it is exactly the same, it really isn't from my point of view.
Given the knowledge I had, knowledge = (one bit is i have read my role PM, and another bit is I had very little idea that the game might reasonably likely be multiball.)
When he raised the point that perhaps you had TMI, it looked interesting to me, and I AM town. So its certain for me that it could look interesting to a towny.
My best guess was the odds on Thor making TMI slip like that as scum were so low that the towny explanation was bound to exist and Thor would know what it was whether he was town or scum.
Okay - would you have dodged explaining that if you were him?
If no - then how does this matter?
You failed to use enough words to be clear. The paragraph contains multiple ideas. I will deal with some ways some parts of the paragraph is relevant.
I was certain a towny, me could find your belief and its origins interesting. Thus to make against PereV, I needed to know PereV didnt also "I had very little idea that the game might reasonably likely be multiball."
You and PereV, for some reason that is unfathomable to me, instead argued about whether it was statistical fact that Multiball was unlikely. Somehow both seemed to be arguing if it was fact that Mutlball was likely or unlikely that was important.
It is not. Establishing that would only make one of you wrong, wrong and bad is not the same as scum. If you believed it was almost certainly MB and he believed it almost certainly wasnt MB and the truth was in the middle then youre both just wrong and not scum
because
of it. What might make you both scum in that situation is if you both knew better and were both generating a huge convoluted pile of Bleh in the thread.
You claim that because in your mind, SK + scum is part of the games that are multiball group, the odds are really good. PereV was clearly not thinking about SKs when he made his judgement, that you could be scum with TMI. This makes his concern more reasonable than you seem to be willing to consider. I would read you as scum for this kind of stuff, but even Thor has his limitations. Besides I see other stuff in your filter.
In post 1086, AxleGreaser wrote:Also at one point, you were adding into your case that PereV didn't jump at the other speakers on Multiball. That was BS kinda in that their comments were very different.
They were very different worse in that they made them out of thin air, but yours was different in the level of certainty expressed. How you seemed to overlook those differences is ? to me.
Feels like stitching up, either via you tunnelling or otherwise.
My "certainty"?
Describe my certainty and how it is scummy.
Are you twitchy or what?
Here, in the following well know quote, you are being more certain than the previous posters that the game was multiball. (did you forget you said that?) (certainty is now described? HUH?)
In post 261, Thor665 wrote:Well...first off multiball is a pretty safe assumption, and second off being wishy-washy is actually pretty solid scum play.
The bit you are quoting I refer to you overlooking those two levels of expressed certainty. That difference in levels of expressed certainty explains PereV responding to one and not the others. You tired to make point out of him not responding to the others the same way. You overlooking that for me needs an explanation. One is Thor is Thor, and i think i have seen you do that before as you tunnel your wagon like trojan.
However previously elsewhere, I did indicate that the level of certainty that it is multiball, is (if
you didnt have a reason
to believe it (true or otherwise)) raised my eyebrow when it was pointed out. Id did expect such line of enquiry to go no where as it did.
Because what I said is "I find it safe to presume multiball" in answer to someone saying "if it's not multiball this logic makes sense"
We also showed, via research, that over 50% of Larges are multiball.
It also shows that I was using the term multiball to refer to SKs as the point was about scum/scum interaction.
No actually, and very precisely, I only saw you indicate we should include SK after you had seen the data. While i believe you very likely actually think of MB as being including SK, I dotn actually know that that was nota convenient thing you added in later once you had seen the data.
So how is that "certain" in a scummy way?
It only has to be true that pereV thought it might be scum tell. Him being wrong about the stats you "showed" blah blah is only him being right or wrong?
Seriously? are you claiming if he was wrong hes scum?
Because Pere agrees with you - but he can't describe it to anyone.
Maybe you can help him out?
Now that is a problem, his limited explaining of his point of view.
and yeah the fact that I can make up a reason a Town PereV might do what he did doesnt mean he did it for that reason.
the fact that i can make one up and i wanted to see if he had one is one very good reason i stayed well out of the argument until you specifically quizzed me here.
In post 1086, AxleGreaser wrote:Later
848 you asserted a number of things about his play, I don't find them convincing.
I feel confident I would find more towny intention in PereV's than in TSO's respective ISOs
I would love to see this.
Even if I can find them, unless I decide to bet the game or at least my life on it i wont be defending PereV like that. Also WTF for, if he cant (given his experience) perhaps he does really want to be in the game.
Its what I perceive a rather large lack of towny intentioned play in TSOs filter that I was referring too. If I understand TSO correctly, Lately he has indicated he is answering questions with reading the posts he is responding too.
In post 1086, AxleGreaser wrote:Finally one good way to eliminate these distraction/excuse wagons, is to dig around in why people are voting them. Even if PereV is scum, perhaps I found his buddy?
Maybe.
You should vote Pere so we can find out.
You could always vote TSO.
) His (intentional(?)) misinterpretations and the fact that he's ready to vote Thor for discussing multiball are huge red flags. Does nobody else follow why the latter is so scummy?