Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

[Kagami]

VOTE: curiosity

[Kagami]

It means his flavor is shinki.

[Kagami]

Also if i am scum who would my partner(s) be

VOTE: beeboy

[Kagami]

ehh Kagami your avatar moves now!!!


also here's a heart <3 for voting beeboy

FakeGod made the moving version for me a while ago, but I didn't want to switch to it while inuyasha was in progress~

[Kagami]

What is the case on curiosity?

[Kagami]

I think ankamius and beeboy are very likely scum.

Mollie gets townpoints for beeboy's vote and I really don't see any reason to think curiosity is scum based on my memory of wisdom's play. I really doubt mala would have pretended to be wisdom given how that strategy worked out in vesperia.

[Kagami]

why is beeboy scum? not seeing it.

~Wis

Look with your special eyes~

[Kagami]

why would i do that

also has ankamius even posted anything serious, kagami? Where'd you get a scumread on him?

~Wis

Beeboy-ankamius scum-scum interaction.

[Kagami]

Don't be scum, wisdom :<

[Kagami]

Dream how do you expect people to lynch me if you dont say anything. Still waiting on nommynommers as well.

Also if i am scum who would my partner(s) be

What's the motivation of this post, wisdom?

[Kagami]

Dream how do you expect people to lynch me if you dont say anything. Still waiting on nommynommers as well.

Also if i am scum who would my partner(s) be

What's the motivation of this post, wisdom?

whats the scum motivation of that post?

~Wis

It's the post of a scum player who believes he's done a good job of distancing himself from partners. He believes any list of "partners" will consist of town, to the detriment of his attackers.

What's the town motivation of it?

[Kagami]

I do like cases.

[Kagami]

,,,
Trying to figure out why Dream is not giving his case, so challenges him to do so.

~Wis

I can see this, but it feels like a very awkward challenge if so. Why ask for partners?

[Kagami]

I really doubt mala would have pretended to be wisdom given how that strategy worked out in vesperia.

Mala asks what you're referring to here.

~Wis

Wasn't HKC mala and bert or am I going crazy?

[Kagami]

Wasn't HKC mala and bert or am I going crazy?

Wires got crossed, it was marangal and bert. Nvm my statement.

[Kagami]

though if someone could tell me what is scummy about beeboy besides his posting like a noob that'd be great

~Wis

Aside from the statement that we disagree on, I find the dissonance between voting based a mason-fish and his own neighbor-fish more than a little odd.

The softing is making me reconsider, though.

[Kagami]

KAGAMI!!!!!

do you think AD is acting weird af????


suspicious extra!!

Not really. I think AD is town here.

[Kagami]

Why did he use it then?

p-edit: re: doublevote

[Kagami]

WHY IS THIS KID IN THE LARGE THEME HE STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF NEWBIE GAMES GDI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

^
@beeboy: This kind of rage feels genuine, specially considering how he's been so annoyed with your posting so far.

It also implies that dreams actually performed some superficial investigation of beeboy's posting. Additionally, I agree that the mason-fish was unlikely to be a scum fishing attempt.

I do find the "ploy" in 927 pretty hard to swallow, though.

[Kagami]

I don't really understand why wake is so reviled. I had no issues with him in either of the games I've played with him in.

[Kagami]

Pie, what do you think about jingle's case?

[Kagami]

woo, pagetop theft.

[Kagami]

I'm town.

Why am I scum?

[Kagami]

(and yukari deleted a post to get pagetop. Totally cheating)

[Kagami]

No, and his case is obviously ridiculous.

[Kagami]

Your read is bad and you should feel bad.

[Kagami]

Scummy:

pieguyn
beeboy
Jingle
Om of the Nom


Null/conditional

Ankamius
Alchemist21
Curiosity (Wisdom + Malakittens)
Time (MTD + Aronis)
nopointinactingup
SXTLHGaiden
Saki

Posstown

ActionDan
Jakuzure Nonon (Feirei + caledfwitch)
purple hero (Antihero + Ms Marangal)
beastcharizard


Probtown

notscience
pirate mollie
Dreams of an Absolution (Metal Sonic + Natirasha)
Mononoke (Sakura Hana + Nachomamma8)
haj

[Kagami]

I just don't think you've done anything exceptionally towny that scum-wisdom couldn't do. I find townreads on your slot suspicious in themselves.

[Kagami]

What's your point in 1328, purple?

[Kagami]

And the shinki thing should be dropped. It's a flavor confirmation and nothing more.

[Kagami]

Re: jazakururur

I see their trajectory as being fairly organic, and feirei seems to be primarily interested in getting forming reads on those players she feels she's best able to read, which is a day 1 town trait.

[Kagami]

What's your point in 1328, purple?

The bad read in 1308 is mollie's read on me, if that's unclear. I agree that jingle is scummy.

[Kagami]

And the shinki thing should be dropped. It's a flavor confirmation and nothing more.

Flavor isn't alignment indicative in this game, so there has to be some mechanics reason for why Time was mod confirmed. Innocent Child is the role that fits the bill.

No, the OP makes it very clear how alignments were organized, and it's also the same method that is very much in vogue with the super-mods these days. Alignment is very likely mostly independent of role and completely independent of flavor.

The confirmation is relevant in that it means Time has a role that is suitable to the Shinki flavor, and shouldn't be further investigated until appropriate.

[Kagami]

Dont like the Kagami wagon. Don't see any case on him. Votes going in too fast for the amount of reasoning provided.

why is the last sentence a valid reason for not liking a wagon?

also, I'm aware you were just skimming, but there was at least one case (albeit small) made on her, by myself: namely, her reasoning in 746 was way too easy, and I don't believe the best thing she could come up with is an associative before the flip that is ultimately null. it makes perfect sense for scum-Kagami, though. do you disagree with that, and

what are your thoughts on Jingle's case?

Pie still needs to answer his own question. I would also love to hear a good reason for anyone townreading pie.

[Kagami]

VOTE: Kagami
I don't like L-3, 48 hours into the day but this is where I would like my vote to be

Sounds like you do like it.

[Kagami]

And you meant L-2, of course.

[Kagami]

Of the eight votes on my wagon that aren't yours, beeboy, which four are you most confident that they represent a real scumread?

[Kagami]

When Kagami said s(he) knew what Dream's was doing about trying to get me to L-1 it felt like s(he) was trying to take advantage of the situation and go unnoticed and that is where my scum read came from

When did I say that?

[Kagami]

@Kagami: I don't have strong reasons for pie town, is mostly a gut feel from the interactions I had with him, why do you think he's scum?

He's playing very much to his scum MO, which consists heavily of projection, AtE, and specious argumentation.

In 1080, he votes me for the "easy" beeboy vote, which is itself the easy vote given the gamestate.

He mentions jingle's case in 1293 implying that it's something that he agrees with and is worth considering. It's not, it's a terrible case. I don't think it's possible for anyone actually looking to divine alignment would consider it citation worthy.

When he finally answers my question in 1591, he admits it's a terrible case. It doesn't matter if it's genuine, why would you see as evidence if it's "kind of a stretch," which is a massive understatement.

He then "calls me out" for not dismantling the case in 1608, when I'm obviously waiting for his reply.

[Kagami]

I have never misread pie, he's scum in this game.

[Kagami]

Here's the jingle case:

Spoiler: Jingle Case

Also if i am scum who would my partner(s) be

VOTE: beeboy

It's been said, but this is a shitty reason for a vote.

why is beeboy scum? not seeing it.

~Wis

Look with your special eyes~

Pushing a lynch without actually pushing a lynch. Kagami spent too long saying "beeboy is scum" without actually giving reasoning.

Dream how do you expect people to lynch me if you dont say anything. Still waiting on nommynommers as well.

Also if i am scum who would my partner(s) be

What's the motivation of this post, wisdom?

This is not pushing a case, this is asking others to make a case for you. Leading questions are inherently scummy because they are very unlikely to come back to Kagami after bee flips.

I do like cases.

And yet you're not making any. You're not pushing your preferred lynch. You aren't making cases. Your fluff is excessive.

,,,
Trying to figure out why Dream is not giving his case, so challenges him to do so.

~Wis

I can see this, but it feels like a very awkward challenge if so. Why ask for partners?

Wis gives a town motivation, Kagami dismisses it. This is not looking for alignments. This is looking for lynches.

tl;dr- let's lynch Kagami!

NPIAU, why is Kagami town?

Complains about the beeboy vote. Nothing new.

Next, I'm trying to push a lynch without pushing it and spend "too long" not explaining reasoning. Too long is apparently about 10 minutes.

I'm accused of not making a case, when I explained my reasoning, and for posting fluff, which I plainly haven't.

I'm told I'm dismissing town motivation when I'm clearly acknowledging it.

To call the case a "stretch" is a severe understatement.

[Kagami]

I do think, however, that pie is unlikely to be scum with jingle, which sadly implies jingle-town.

[Kagami]

When Kagami said s(he) knew what Dream's was doing about trying to get me to L-1 it felt like s(he) was trying to take advantage of the situation and go unnoticed and that is where my scum read came from

When did I say that?

Ok apparently that never happened at all wtf I swore someone claimed they knew what Dreams was doing

And no one sees anything wrong here?

[Kagami]

Projection means roughly the same thing in the mafia context as it does in the debate context, it's fairly common that a scum-player will notice scummy aspects of their own play and accuse other players of doing them.

It has the added bonus that it pre-emptively discredits any retaliation from the attacked player. "But that's what you did!" is usually ignored or seen as OMGUS.

[Kagami]

In 1080, he votes me for the "easy" beeboy vote, which is itself the easy vote given the gamestate.

1. I voted AD in that post, not you. I voted you when Om/sakura/me decided to wagon you.
2. iirc, I was the first person to call you scum and point out that beeboy vote was easy, and the one who was mostly pushing you as scum as opposed to following along. so, how is that an "easy" vote or otherwise an easy stance to take?

He mentions jingle's case in 1293 implying that it's something that he agrees with and is worth considering. It's not, it's a terrible case. I don't think it's possible for anyone actually looking to divine alignment would consider it citation worthy.

errrrrrrr

you are aware the whole point of that question was to get NPIAU to take a stance on Jingle's case, given he had mentioned earlier there wasn't enough reasoning for your wagon? I don't particularly agree with the rest of Jingle's case besides the first point. my scum read on you comes from the reasoning behind your beeboy vote and your subsequent reaction to being wagoned.

that said, care to explain why you believe beeboy defending himself via "who's my partner" necessarily has to be a scum x scum interaction as opposed to him being a newb? also explain what you were trying to accomplish with 1402.

Re: 1- The sentiment in the post was what you voted me for I presume. You know that.
Re: 2- By the same logic, I was the first to push beeboy as scum despite all the rubbish that newb-poster somehow means town. Being first isn't what "easy" means. An easy stance is one that has little risk of retaliation from the town, and often an original stance that is speciously reasonable is the easiest stance.

This is my town reaction to stupid wagons. There was/is not a single reasonable vote on my wagon, except maybe mono's and wisdom's if wis's intent was to provoke a reaction rather than act on a legitimate scumread.

When "The reason I thought you were scum is because you did X." "O, you didn't do X? Not interested in revising my read." is obvtown, the path of reason has been left behind long ago.

[Kagami]

a million previews that I haven't read, btw.

[Kagami]

And what did pieguy accuse you of that he did himself?

~Wis

Easy stance. Pie is pretending his stance is not easy because it was original, but that's not what easiness is about. The gamestate at the time was that beeboy was "noob town." Attacking me for attacking the noobtown is so absurdly easy it hurts. He then claims my stance was easy, when it very clearly is not.

[Kagami]

despite all the rubbish that newb-poster somehow means town.

I can feel your frustration, just when you thought you had found such a nice lynchfodder to push...

~Wis

Yes, that's totally what I do as scum.

[Kagami]

Unvote
Vote: Jingle

Back to this I suppose, I still don't see pie-scum... and now i dont see Kagami-Scum either...
Which means imma have to revise my reads...

disagree. the way Kagami is pushing reads here is very indicative of her being scum. I don't really know how to explain this (the best way I can think of is, in general, she is flippantly ignoring evidence that might contradict the arguments she wants to push and trying to act like it never existed, as opposed to fitting her reads to the evidence at hand - it's really subtle, but she's done it enough at this point that I think it's coming from scum), but I don't think anything she's doing at all is genuine in the slightest.

And here it is again. This is exactly what pie-scum does and here he is doing it again. I haven't ignored anything.

also, I still think 1402 was a scum post designed to spin the narrative that her wagon was unreasonable - the fact that she just proceeded to come in and go "there is not a single reasonable vote on my wagon" supports it

No, it was a very simple and straightforward question designed to force newbscum to generate associations. Of course, it doesn't bother you that he ignored it.

[Kagami]

Kagami's scum reads wreak OMGUS

I feel like Sakura is vote jumping

This is scum. It's obvious scum. It's defended by scum.

[Kagami]

didn't you link me a Kagami scum game in the mason QT in touhou upick 2?

I'm asking this cos I remember you telling me scum Kagami was really OMGUSy, and I looked at the game you linked in there, and her response to pressure in this game was very similar to her response to pressure there - namely, her ISO from there was full of cheap potshots and discredits like the one at the end of 1759. there were other posts that fit with this parallel.

^This, btw, didn't happen and the game pie is referring to does not exist. This is a bald-faced lie to support a claim that is completely untrue.

Pie has said over and over that my reaction to being wagoned as scum is to OMGUS. He's lying and he knows it.

Find this scum game, Pie. I've never been wagoned as scum outside of the game where I replaced into ns's poison L-1 slot.

[Kagami]

Wisdom, it's a credit to your scumgame that I'm not sure if you're scum or if you've been indulging in a steady diet of paint chips during your hiatus.

Unfortunately, it's not possible that everyone calling me scum is actually scum.

[Kagami]

(To the extent that there's more likely scum in my defenders than my attackers -_-;)

[Kagami]

Let's clear up this UNZAN thing right now.

[Kagami]

Those unofficial vote counts are pretty convenient.

[Kagami]

didn't you link me a Kagami scum game in the mason QT in touhou upick 2?

I'm asking this cos I remember you telling me scum Kagami was really OMGUSy, and I looked at the game you linked in there, and her response to pressure in this game was very similar to her response to pressure there - namely, her ISO from there was full of cheap potshots and discredits like the one at the end of 1759. there were other posts that fit with this parallel.

^This, btw, didn't happen and the game pie is referring to does not exist. This is a bald-faced lie to support a claim that is completely untrue.

Pie has said over and over that my reaction to being wagoned as scum is to OMGUS. He's lying and he knows it.

Find this scum game, Pie. I've never been wagoned as scum outside of the game where I replaced into ns's poison L-1 slot.

I went back to Touhou Upick 2 to recheck pie's Mason QT and notty linked him this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=37684 Along with the words
"It was kinda OMGUSy

I have to recheck "
So no, pie isn't lying here.
Can you die now.

I did too, and I only saw two mentions of myself in the entire QT.

[Kagami]

Then why did you lie saying that the game doesn't exist and that pie's lying about it?
At the very least, the game was linked along with pie remembering that notty told him that you were kinda OMGUSy. Regardless of whatever happened in the game in question (as i didn't read the linked game so i can't verify that far)

I didn't see the linked game in the QT. I obviously wouldn't lie about it if I had, especially given notty is in this game.

That doesn't change the truth of my original statement. I wasn't OMGUSy in the EB0 game, and pie has experience enough with my town play to know better than to make this argument.

[Kagami]

Pie does need to be lynched. He's scum.

Wisdom needs to be lynched. He's scum or the most toxic and terrible town scum could hope for.

Beeboy needs to be forced to make associations. He's newscum.

[Kagami]

Your reads are meaningless regardless of your alignment, but please keep insisting on them.

[Kagami]

Jingle is unlikely to be scum with you, you wouldn't have endorsed his case if you were partners.

[Kagami]

Sure, try to discredit my reads, it might just work

Noope it won't, sorry.

~Wis

Another thing that you surely believe I would do.

[Kagami]

I actually don't really bus unless I have to.

[Kagami]

Why wouldnt you, Kagami? Entertain me. And explain what you meant about my votecounts.

~Wis

I'm entertaining the possibility that you knew unzan was in there.

[Kagami]

Fun Fact: When i mentioned Unzan back then on beeboy Kagami didn't care, now that Unzan's on her she does care, and doesn't even reconsider her beeboy read. What.

I thought UNZAN was dream's doublevote.

[Kagami]

I would love to have a vig shot, but alas.

[Kagami]

So what's your point, Kagami? I posted the votecounts so that more people join your wagon without realising the double vote that I supposedly knew about is there and lynch you faster?

~Wis

"Accidentally" lynching me would be rather convenient, but no, I don't really think that's what was happening.

[Kagami]

Scum have every reason to lurk here.

[Kagami]

Probably two.

[Kagami]

At most.

[Kagami]

Ankamius is probably the only scum in that list.

[Kagami]

I'm not going to, but you should regardless.

[Kagami]

if you are town you are just throwing wild guesses

the read is useless

You think my early reads are bad, sonic?

[Kagami]

An X-tell is something that pushes the posterior of the read toward X, regardless of the prior.

Yes, town lurk. Yes, most lurkers are town. Yes, lurking is a scumtell, it's just a fairly weak one.

[Kagami]

I said my point, that was just stream of consciousness and I don't really think it that strongly.

I think you're going to get your lynch, so I'm trying to actually figure out what's going on here.

I'm kind of thinking you've just been taking too much vitamin Pb on your hiatus.

[Kagami]

I would recommend you consider, at least internally, the implications of kagami-town.

[Kagami]

It would help if you were doing town things but you aren't

You look like you've given up

Your reads are weak and terribad

I remember you much better than this

~Wis

Your belief of what consitutes "town things" is superficial and wrong.

Your play here is poisonous and first-order. You only see the obvious, and you're unwilling to look beyond that. if I were scum, neither I nor my partners would ever approach a scumread from you.

[Kagami]

And yes, Varsoon had a flavor-confirm power by saying "I am the strongest" in thread. I think the same thing existed in touhou upick 1.

[Kagami]

Honestly if Kagami flips town I'd have to seriously re-evaluate some of my reads.

You can start now. If I'm town, what are your reads? If I'm scum, what are they?

Don't worry that wisdom will get sad if you make pre-flip associations.

[Kagami]

But

why

would flavor alone be confirmed? It doesn't make sense for someone to be confirmed for absolutely no reason relevant to the game.

Don't fish. Don't worry about time.

[Kagami]

if I were scum, neither I nor my partners would ever approach a scumread from you.

Yeah right. As if I'm a terrible player who never catches scum

~Wis

Your wiki has your town winrate.

[Kagami]

My town winrate does not depend just on me.

~Wis

I see, I had the same problem last few times I played football.

There were always these awful players on my team. They kept looking all shifty-eyed and were faking hikes left and right to confuse me. I would tackle them since they were obviously really working for the team, and would do so until they quit the game in frustration. It was entirely their fault for being suspicious, and I was consistently getting screwed by having them on my team.

We ended the season with a pretty abysmal -43.5% win rate, and we only won that often because I pretty much carried them. Every time I got the ball, no one from my team would tackle me, whereas every time they got the ball, they were sameteam-tackled like the suspicious noobs they were.

They should have just given me the ball every play and we'd have probably gotten to around 50%.

[Kagami]

really working for the other* team

[Kagami]

There is no case to beat.

He wants to call beeboy town. He thinks I'm scum for calling beeboy scum.

He thinks my reaction to be wagoned is not town. He's wrong. Pie supports this part of the case, despite knowing it's wrong.

[Kagami]

The problem, ns, is that wis actually might be town if beeboy is town, though I really think it's suspicious that I got pounced on for calling a beeboy-ankamius team, which looks like it really is a thing.

If wis is town, I'm not even sure how to deal with him. Unfortunately, I wasn't blessed with a dayvig this game, and even if it were, I'd still be hesitant to blow him over ankamius.

[Kagami]

blow him away*

o god.

[Kagami]

beeboy town?

[Kagami]

beeboy town?

nvm this.

[Kagami]

Sorry but Kagami does not live past today. I'd feel very bad if I allowed her to live and she turned up scum after this ad hom.

~Wis

It makes me sad that you won't feel bad when I turn up town, because that's exactly why you're going to do this again and again and again.

[Kagami]

anti I know what you mean cos I was sitting next to agar when he was all like "fuck it lynch me this is all I am going to say from here on out" but I understood it cos he had just gotten vigged in graveyard and I had replaced out and my slot was nked but kagami gave up like with the second vote.

What?

[Kagami]

I keep forgetting you're antihero.

[Kagami]

Sorry wis, I am.

[Kagami]

Yay, now if someone would vig wisdom, that would be lovely.

[Kagami]

Pie is indeed scum here, btw, but the wisdom vig is more pro-town.

[Kagami]

Going to see if I can put together a real reads list before GiF locks.

[Kagami]

Claim in case of a flavor flip

This is actually the most sensible thing you've said, though GiF will do a full flip. I'm just a VT (Louize).

[Kagami]

Claim in case of a flavor flip

This is actually the most sensible thing you've said, though GiF will do a full flip. I'm just a VT (Louize).

[Kagami]

This is part of the problem with wisdom, my wagon was so easy to be either on OR off of that it's almost useless.

[Kagami]

My bad don't mind the recent page just read list away

I'm rereading votes and thinking. Chill.

[Kagami]

I doubt haj is scum here.

[Kagami]

I'm wondering about sakura, actually. Both nacho and sakura have seen my town play enough to not buy the "OMGUSy as scum" bit.

Saying that I lied about the pie's claim that I'm OMGUSy as scum as a reason to vote me makes absolutely no sense, and when I pointed that out they ignored it.

AD is town.

[Kagami]

jingle is possible in that list if pie is town who turned amnesic recently.

[Kagami]

AD is town.

if you get the chance, summarize why?

His defense of my slot wasn't WKing. He was correctly pointing out that there was valid reasoning behind it, and has enough experience with my play to be able to take the hard stance.

[Kagami]

Trying to remember why I had mollie as town.

[Kagami]

Scum probably have an encryptor like last game, or just straight-up daychat. I'm very leery of all the fingers pointing at clumsy WKing.

At least one scum was surely looking for "bussers"

[Kagami]

Eh, scum troll. I don't believe until I see the flip.

~Wis

Don't worry, there's never a reason to re-evaluate a read or think outside of your little town/scum templates.

[Kagami]

I confirm this. I prefer her lynched than having her attacking me with personal attacks.

~Wis

Calling your reads bad is not a personal attack. Your response that you're an awesome scumhunter was false and I rebuked it appropriately.

You create a game environment that's very burdensome for town to play in, but trivially easy for scum.

[Kagami]

In no particular order

pieguyn - I really want this to be scum, and his reasons for voting me are indeed fabricated. There are possible town explanations though.

pirate mollie - Her iso is a couple levels of strange, and townreads here should be re-evaluated.

Mononoke (Sakura Hana + Nachomamma8) - Similar to mollie, townreads should be re-evaluated. The reasoning behind voting me was that I "lied" about pieguy's masonry convo, which there was obviously no scum motivation for. It really looks like an attempt to throw out an original reason to scumread me. Also, nacho would know better than to think I'm scum here.

kagami - Town and somewhat obviously so. I would absolutely have bent over backwards to conform to wisdom's notions of townplay if I were scum, and so would my team if we had daychat.

ActionDan - Town

Dreams of an Absolution (Metal Sonic + Natirasha) - Be extremely suspicious if nati continues to be a non-presence.

Curiosity (Wisdom + Malakittens) - Please make it die. Town is very unlikely to win if this remains alive.

purple hero (Antihero + Ms Marangal) - Not really sure, but I think town?

beastcharizard - Meh. Probably town.

Time (MTD + Aronis) - Town.

nopointinactingup - Might be scum

Om of the Nom - Might be scum

haj - Town

Alchemist21 - Might be scum

beeboy - Don't listen to wisdom's nonsense.

Ankamius - Trusting AD on this

Jingle - I actually think this is probably town.

[Kagami]

... your play was terrible and didn't make the slightest sense for town ...
~Wis

This is your problem. What you call "sense for town" is not sense, but rather conformity to a set of wisdom-sanctioned behaviors.

And yes, if I were scum, you'd think I'm town.

[Kagami]

Like, I know you would react the way you did to my attacks, would I really do that as scum? O wait, you don't care, you just think I wouldn't do that as town.

[Kagami]

Why was "attacking your credibility" a scum behavior? Why was anything I'd done in this game a scum behavior?

[Kagami]

Still thinking about those, but I have to get the kiddies ready and may not have time.

[Kagami]

O, and it's not crazy that mollie and wisdom are scum together.

[Kagami]

I think Pieguy could just be reacting to another game, and as a result reached for reasons to scumread where there was none.

[Kagami]

Kagami, eleven people thought you are scum (ten discounting the doublevote). Are you seriously arguing that you did absolutely nothing scummy and all those people suck at mafia?

~Wis

I think you pushed a lot of people into a read that they otherwise wouldn't have, and your activity and insistence makes people believe there's a case when there isn't. On top of that, you make it incredibly easy for scum to join the wagon.

Though, yes, I admit some fault here, but that's in large part because I don't want to deal with your slot.

[Kagami]

why is jingle town, besides him not being scum with me?

why is Time town?

He made the effort to make a crappy case against me. Yes, it was silly, but he didn't have to do it. There's not really any scum motivation to do so, and it kind of sounds like he believed it. That's a somewhat weaker read.

Time is town because he's playing his role in a way consistent with how town would.

[Kagami]

Reevaluate your play, Kagami. Thanks.

~Wis

And I recommend to same to you.

This is the first time I've been mislynched outside of having a guilty faked on me (or soft-faked). I've never been lynched as scum outside of the game in which I replaced into ns's poisoned L-1 slot.

[Kagami]

There is also the jingle counterwagon.

[Kagami]

We know enough about Time that he should be assumed to be town for now.

[Kagami]

I wouldn't give up as scum, and I didn't really give up here.

It's just day 1 in a large game that would have been a nightmare to play. I'm not super sad to be leaving, though I feel like I've disappointed gif a bit.

[Kagami]

Kiddies still~

[Kagami]

hope u enjoy it

you should, it's really fucking amazing

Railgun or index?

[Kagami]

In vaccuum, I'd say jazakururur is scummy, but I don't know the players terribly well and lateral interactions make me think not-so-scummy.

[Kagami]

(Imo, SAO season 1 was way than any of the to arus)

[Kagami]

They're not bad, I enjoyed all of them.

[Kagami]

Recentish anime I've watched that I thought were pretty great:

Tanuki anime (uchoten kazoku)
Noragami
Mushishi S2 (though S1 was much much better)
Hanasaku Iroha
SAO S1

[Kagami]

what do you mean by "lateral"?

Presence of enough more probable scum players drives down the likelihood that a given player is scum, that's all

[Kagami]

I would think noragami might be your cup of tea if you like the To Arus

[Kagami]

I think jingle is designated lynch #2, but idk.

[Kagami]

Ankamius not so much, imo, but maybe I'm reading too deeply into things.

[Kagami]

am I the only 1 who loved attack on titan?

Watched the whole thing, really liked the first half. Then I didn't like the decline in the pace.

[Kagami]

I think I'd take NPIAU over Ank. there were a few Ank posts I really liked, compared to NPIAU who hasn't done anything town.

regardless of Jingle's alignment, I think scum were more or less split between the 2 wagons. I can't tell if it was WK'ing, or them lining up a second lynch.

I kind of think wagon analysis isn't going to be effective here because of the general ease of being either on or off.

They could easily have gotten every single scum on the wagon, or off the wagon, imo.

Looking at individual vote/nonvote reasoning is probably the better route.