Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

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Welcome to Anime: The Official Game of the Movie.

VOTE: Beast

For dragging me kicking and screaming into this game.

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Time is mod-confirmed with Shinki.

Hey, so what does this mean? Anyone?

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Yeah... That's the question. What does that mean to me? In non-anime terms, if you'd please.

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Om, you promised to translate flavor. What's a Shinki?

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By god, what have you people done?

So this may be the rum talking, but I kinda wanna policy lynch Haj.

On the other hand haj, beeboy, and notty are probably town. I'll be back tomorrow to do more than skim. Let's hope we're not on page 100.

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That was actually the only important stuff to happen. Not even joking that takes up at least half of the pages.

Startlingly accurate, but a tl;dr incoming anyway.

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RVS happened, NS tried to get a wagon on him and failed by towning it up. He's disappeared since then. Beast also was muchtown. Om speculated that "Mod confirmed Shinki" meant IC, after I reminded him that he offered to translate flavor for me. Om counterclaims notty's (presumably fake) flavor claim.

Dan gets suspicion (not sure why TBH), but that leads into basically nothing.

Beeboy newbtowns it up, although there are some suspicious individuals scumreading him. (seriously, bee is town. Drop it.)

Mala/mollie get into a slap fight, then mala switches to wis and the slap fight continues. Anti show up and identifies mollie town, which I'mn totally gonna sheep reads wise. Meanwhile haj tries to convince me that ABR and Wake had a lovechild and I want to PL this sooooo bad. mollie and wis back off and think each other might be town (actually the first mollie post that gave me the heebie jeebies.) The MS "rolefishing" happened and bee responded like paranoid town.

Also, you should ISO the mod.

VOTE: haj

PEdit: dammit Sakura.

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And now I have to go to work on my day off. Dammit.

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Did I seriously get a wagon on me because I got called in to work on my day off?

I'll be back to give reads in a little while, but I've got other shit to do on site first.

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Did I seriously get a wagon on me because I got called in to work on my day off?

No it was ur lackluster catchup post.

The lackluster catchup post that I didn't follow up on because I was called into work on my day off?

It's almost like I intended to keep playing mafia and didn't get to. Huh. I wonder how that happened.

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My reads, roughly from town to scum, although we're still fairly fluid.

purple hero (Antihero + Ms Marangal)- This is the towniest town to town. Town.
beeboy- Newbtown. I can't elaborate thoroughly, but this is no where near the lynch today.
notscience-Town
beastcharizard- I think this is the first game I've ever townread beast in!
Mononoke (Sakura Hana + Nachomamma8)- Town.
pieguyn- Town off of gut
haj- His tone annoys me, but it's probably coming from town. I'd PL this. It's not a scumlynch.
pirate mollie- Town (I'm sheeping Anti here. I've got reservations, but anti knows her better.)
Ankamius- I don't like 125. Everything since then is making me think town. His 1137 is the least offensive criticism of me so far this game.
ActionDan- Nulltown. People keep saying he's scummy, and I haven't seen anything that makes me feel bad. His particular brand of IDGAF what you think posting leaves a town taste in my mouth, but I don't know him well enough.
Curiosity (Wisdom + Malakittens)- This feels town to me in a very similar way to Wis's scumgame in AP's normalish micro did. This scares me a little. I'd still bet town if you put a gun to my head.
Saki- The willingness to admit he's not gonna read the first 40 pages makes me lean town, but this is a null read.
nopointinactingup- Hasn't posted yet...
Dreams of an Absolution (Metal Sonic + Natirasha)- It's only a matter of time before I start scumreading MS. I'm probably gonna sheep a townread on this too.
SXTLHGaiden- The "Sakura called me town" thing made me a little unnerved. Otherwise, null.
Jakuzure Nonon (Feirei + caledfwitch)- I want their wis/mala is scum elaborated on, but they felt genuine in their distaste. Not on my lynch table.
Time (MTD + Aronis)- Nullscum. I didn't like MTD's posting yesterday. It's worth noting though that if Om flips scum these guys are almost conftown.
Om of the Nom- Nullscum. His selfconsciousness doesn't help anything, and his jump onto me was extra special bad.
Alchemist21-Scum.His posts come off as fencesitty and he looks like he's trying hard not to offend anyone. Also, his fluff to content ratio is horrendous. This is scum trying to skate under the radar.
kagami- scum. I'll build a case in a minute.

VOTE: kagami

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I think jinglebellz is scum with his timing and that he instead of trying to read me himself he is going to sheep anti on it. so I am voting him in order to force an interaction cos I think scum!jinglebellz is 1 of those players who does not like to get close and I am gonna get up all into his grill like he will be able to feel breath and everything.

I actually laughed when I read this.

Mollie, I think the only time you've seen scum me was when I was basically functioning as a second brain for sthar8. Let me tell you a little about scum me.

I like to play in a pretty random fashion to make meta reads hard as hell, but one of my favorite scumtactics is to instigate a big, dramatic 1v1 to get town to ignore me and another player. I used it in this game for example. If you want to get closer, you can grope me just like Courtney Love. It won't make me act any different.

Interacting though is something I'd love to do. For example, what made you back off on Wis? Assuming it was a 1v1, was anyone trying to push you at each other? What is scummy about Action Dan? What do you think about Alchemist?

As for the whole: sheeping townreads on other players, it's just something you're going to have to get used to about me. There are players I suck at reading. I read said players by proxy. This list includes ZZZX, FuzzyLogic, JFSF, and you. It's why I'm so much better in a hydra with sthar.

Wow lots of stuff.
@mollie: Nacho didn't tell me he'd be out, thanks for letting me know.
@wiz wrt Om: Fair Enough
@sonic: I also know a lot about touhou flavor, tho im not near as skilled at the games as Om, i can only 1cc Normal, not Lunatic, tho sometimes i play lunatic just for fun.
I like the point of Jingle having read the thread but not commenting on anything.
i dont get how this discussion went from town/scum colors to 3rd party colors to beeboy is 3rd party to beeboy is scum. Can someone explain this to me?
i dont like beast's sudden attack on beeboy for commenting on 3rd partys either...

Unvote
Vote: Jingle

I feel better here now.

This appears to be a common thread right now, so let me answer it just the once. Between post 1027 and post 1030 I got called in to work. I worked until 9, then played magic until after midnight. I'm pretty awesome, but I can't post while I don't have access to a computer. It's not my super power. Deal with it.

PEdit: And the mysterious NPIAU arrives.

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Also if i am scum who would my partner(s) be

VOTE: beeboy

It's been said, but this is a shitty reason for a vote.

why is beeboy scum? not seeing it.

~Wis

Look with your special eyes~

Pushing a lynch without actually pushing a lynch. Kagami spent too long saying "beeboy is scum" without actually giving reasoning.

Dream how do you expect people to lynch me if you dont say anything. Still waiting on nommynommers as well.

Also if i am scum who would my partner(s) be

What's the motivation of this post, wisdom?

This is not pushing a case, this is asking others to make a case for you. Leading questions are inherently scummy because they are very unlikely to come back to Kagami after bee flips.

I do like cases.

And yet you're not making any. You're not pushing your preferred lynch. You aren't making cases. Your fluff is excessive.

,,,
Trying to figure out why Dream is not giving his case, so challenges him to do so.

~Wis

I can see this, but it feels like a very awkward challenge if so. Why ask for partners?

Wis gives a town motivation, Kagami dismisses it. This is not looking for alignments. This is looking for lynches.

tl;dr- let's lynch Kagami!

NPIAU, why is Kagami town?

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I find it interesting that

Kagami (6):

ActionDan, pieguyn, Jingle, pirate mollie, Alchemist21, beeboy, Curiosity

and

Kagami (7):

ActionDan, Om of the Nom, Mononoke, pieguyn, Curiosity, Jingle, pirate mollie

are so different. Particularly, Om jumping off the wagon left a bad taste in my mouth.

im quite happy with a kagami lynch today btw

Also I'm not really liking Beeboy. Gut feeling really.

~M

Yes I'm not super happy about his recent play either, especially the Kagami vote.

lol, scum Kagami doesnt get wagoned like that

its too easy


halt the wagon now

lol, scum Kagami doesnt get wagoned like that

its too easy


halt the wagon now

Yea the quick jumps lately have made me unsure. Who do you think is the scum on Kagami's wagon?
UNVOTE:

basically


just because Kagami is likely town

even if it is a mislynch

does not necessarily have scum voting on them


so that question is hypothetical and speculative at best

but my top 2 picks are AD and Jingle yea

The progression of Kagami is scum and I like the lynch for today to scum must be voting Kagami is very yuck. Given that this all occurred in roughly 7 hours means I doubt this is a fresh perspective reads change.

I'm townreading Jingle.

Why?

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It would mean Alch is probably town though.

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I'm having minor paranoia wrt Mollie, MS, and beast as well.

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whats the reasoning on Alch?

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Also, did someone other than MS softdefend kagami? I seem to remember that.

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The defense of "This wagon is too fast" is a soft defense IMO. It means almost nothing, and is incredibly easy to back down on.

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Also, why the hell is there so much talk about multiball? Is there any reason we should expect that? Does GIF usually do multiball or something?

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There was a huge chunk of talking about third parties and whether or not hunting 3rd parties is a scumtell.

I remember because mollie was complaining about the site-meta of lynching survivor claims.

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And MS's defense turned into more. The others didn't ASAIK.

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AFAIK, sorry.

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SK is multiball for all intents and purposes because scum have the same option of actually scumhunting.

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I think it's something like

Kagami/Om/npiau/{Ankamius, Time}

~Wis

This is probably wrong then. I doubt all of Kagami's scumbuddies defended her.

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Fair point.

MS, why is Kagami town in your opinion?

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Actually, thinking about it, Om is likely scum if Kagami is town more so than if Kagami is scum.

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Projection is a fairly reliable scumtell in my experience. Where was the case that it was used in here?

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I disagree with calling that projection, ftr.

The uses of projection I've seen being put to good use are more about sweeping behaviours. Ie, a lurker calling out others for activity.

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BTW, my MS paranoia seems to be disappearing.

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That's what it sounds like to me. I don't remember reading that though.

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Hey, MS. Can you tell me about that Kagami townread? Pretty please?

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I'm pretty sure I've talked about it at length.

I'd like to know what you see that I don't see though. Assuming the three of us are town, it would be in your best interest to share. If you assume I'm scum, it doesn't hurt you to share. The only way I can see you elaborating on your townread hurting you would be if both me and Kagami were town and you were scum, and you convinced me not to vote her. I don't think that is the case.

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I've never had that problem with Wis. TBH, he reminds me too much of my brother to get on my nerves that much.

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My reads, roughly from town to scum, although we're still fairly fluid.

purple hero (Antihero + Ms Marangal)- This is the towniest town to town. Town.
beeboy- Newbtown. I can't elaborate thoroughly, but this is no where near the lynch today.
notscience-Town
beastcharizard- I think this is the first game I've ever townread beast in!
Mononoke (Sakura Hana + Nachomamma8)- Town.
pieguyn- Town off of gut
haj- His tone annoys me, but it's probably coming from town. I'd PL this. It's not a scumlynch.
pirate mollie- Town (I'm sheeping Anti here. I've got reservations, but anti knows her better.)
Ankamius- I don't like 125. Everything since then is making me think town. His 1137 is the least offensive criticism of me so far this game.
ActionDan- Nulltown. People keep saying he's scummy, and I haven't seen anything that makes me feel bad. His particular brand of IDGAF what you think posting leaves a town taste in my mouth, but I don't know him well enough.
Curiosity (Wisdom + Malakittens)- This feels town to me in a very similar way to Wis's scumgame in AP's normalish micro did. This scares me a little. I'd still bet town if you put a gun to my head.
Saki- The willingness to admit he's not gonna read the first 40 pages makes me lean town, but this is a null read.
nopointinactingup- Hasn't posted yet...
Dreams of an Absolution (Metal Sonic + Natirasha)- It's only a matter of time before I start scumreading MS. I'm probably gonna sheep a townread on this too.
SXTLHGaiden- The "Sakura called me town" thing made me a little unnerved. Otherwise, null.
Jakuzure Nonon (Feirei + caledfwitch)- I want their wis/mala is scum elaborated on, but they felt genuine in their distaste. Not on my lynch table.
Time (MTD + Aronis)- Nullscum. I didn't like MTD's posting yesterday. It's worth noting though that if Om flips scum these guys are almost conftown.
Om of the Nom- Nullscum. His selfconsciousness doesn't help anything, and his jump onto me was extra special bad.
Alchemist21-Scum.His posts come off as fencesitty and he looks like he's trying hard not to offend anyone. Also, his fluff to content ratio is horrendous. This is scum trying to skate under the radar.
kagami- scum. I'll build a case in a minute.

VOTE: kagami

Last time I posted a reads list. I'm feeling better about wisdom and worse about ank. NPIAU is on the scummier end of null. I'm actually feeling pretty good about MS right now, and I'm willing to give wis the benefit of the doubt on Alch (though I still want him to answer about his townread on me). AD is a bit scummier as well after Wis pointed out his unvote.

(I'll probably rewrite the list in a few days, but I'm lazy tonight.)

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Hey Mollie, I've got an hour. Care to talk to me re: you scumreading me? Cause my townreads keep saying you're town, and I really want to believe them.

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I have talked about my kagami read, and anti is pushing my paranoia buttons re: my wagon. I want to solve my paranoia about you.

I don't agree with wis's proposed scumteam. Do you? I for instance doubt all of the scum are taking the same stance wrt kagami, regardless of her alignment.

Why do you not want to talk about why you're scumreading me?

How do you feel about Om?

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probably some manner of double or hidden voter.

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I don't think it's worth discussing rn. Probably two or three day phases in we should get that claim if it's from town.

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Anti, get out of my head.

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No. They're comfy.

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I'm not a fan of the buzzwords and the shitty defense makes me want to kill with fire. The GIF deleting something to get a pagetop actually is true. We've discussed it in the past.

You can delete a bump to get a pagetop for a VC. Why would that be a scumclaim?

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I think it references the projection and omgus accusations.

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No, I'm saying that roughly a week ago (I think) GIF told me in sitechat that he sometimes deletes bumps to get a pagetop. And I don't see a scum motivation to lying about that.

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Alch and Caled/Feirei are the ones I'm least sure about. What makes you think there's so much bussing?

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I too am that kind of scumbag, ns.

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Thinking about it overnight wis is my strongest townread. I've still got some pretty strong town reads though.

I have 0 reservations with

VOTE: Om

I'll be back to talk after I get off work.

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Can we not disengage brain and vote Pie due to guilties?

I want Pie's response, claim and reads list, and will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate) a scumclaim.

It is L-3. That is enough for now.

PEDIT: L-2

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You might want to prod dodge from the account that gets prodded.

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Curiosity, could you kindly shut the fuck up a minute? Pie needs to answer. Then we talk to MS. Jumping the gun does town 0 favors.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure Om is scum. Agree or disagree?

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Pie isn't necessarily town, and I want to know what he thinks about this guilty. Wisdom is just being dumb. Kinda like his Jingle is scum rant.

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will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate)

a scumclaim

Do you read the thread before post mollie?

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I want the reads and claim because scum fake guilties. Or have you forgotten AP in Antihero Reboot? Rushing through the day is both stupid and bad play.

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I think Om is town @ whoever asked me.

Why?

will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate)

a scumclaim

Do you read the thread before post mollie?

enough to know that I did not write what you just assigned me posting to.

and I also understand the significance of "or" in your parenthesis but you seem to be ready to lynch him regardless

It was in the quote in your post. My apologies for implying you stated that.

And no. I'm not at all ready for a lynch. I'm ready for Pie to claim, sure. That's not the same thing. If Pie refuses to answer to the accusation, then yeah, I'll lynch the shit out of him.

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Yeah, that's what I said Sakura.

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I still want pie's response. Dreams, claim nothing further until that happens.

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Dreams, wait for pie.

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Dreams, does this explain your "guilty"?

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I have a theory as to the role MS has. It is unlikely a busdriver was involved if I'm right.

Where's the soft guilty on Jakuzure? Or are you referring to haj?

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The soft mason claims? Cause I was treating them like mastin mason claims. To be ignored.

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I liked neither Om's nor NPIAU's jump onto your wagon. What are your thoughts there?

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Sleep is for the weak.

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Yeah... No.

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you're aware I kind of sort of had a guilty on me right?

This is frustrating to me, because I actually see your point. Far too often, when faced with a guilty people turn off their critical thinking skills.

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Hey, so Wis. You feel like elaborating on that Om townread yet?

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I didn't lie. I'm not going to die today.

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And your reasoning there?

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do you have an approximate page number?

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I think I found it. I'm not sure it's from Om-town, but Alchemist's flip should clarify that a little and I also think he's likely scum.

VOTE: Alchemist

I don't see Om and Alch as a reasonable possibility.

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I didn't like the lack of reasoning, which showed lazyness IMO. I also didn't like the blatant disregard for how quickly you were getting to those numbers.

It would have been rather easy for scum to jump onto that wagon and hammer then try to pin everything on MS the next day.

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and the point with the other thing is, I would expect town to be more likely to vote me or do anything instead of..... actively trying to derail the wagon. Ank didn't jump on the wagon, he was defending me.

Why would scum try to derail your wagon. I'm seeing optimal situation from the scum POV of you getting lynched before you can claim, flipping town, and then a flashwagon on MS for 'faking' a guilty. That's two days of minimal discussion and myslynches, while they get to NK whoever is the scariest.

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Also I just realize the role I was thinking wouldn't return a guilty on 3rd party, only on groupscum. Please disregard.

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Ank defending you after both me and Wis did is null to me. AD's

I'm glad this isn't some shit-tier fake guilty gambit play. that's always an annoyance with you people.

Now I await Pie's

full

claim or else him calling you a sack of shit.

is gross. I also don't like Beast's

Metal has some sort of award. I am willing to pretend it means something and if he is wrong we can just power lynch him tomorrow.

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there's a guilty on the table

who is more likely to be lazy in that scenario, keeping in mind the guilty means pressure is off of town for a day?

Fair. It's possible that I'm colored by my perception of people's reactions to guilties as well.

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Yeah, I didn't mean to hit the area button on the preview page.

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My paranoia from yesterday didn't resolve itself either on beast, but I'm not sure how strong it is.

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I am better as scum. give me a break.

This by the way is the source of that paranoia. I know that Beast sees his town-meta as VI and intentionally uses that as scum.

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Too late, we can save the argument about masons claiming for the postgame.

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Pagetop?

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Hey, MS, instead of speculating on PRs, what say you about the discussion we've been having over the last few pages. If you're not too busy having a slapfight with wis and all.

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1. He was willing to sheep Wisdom on Alchemist town through Day 1, yet as soon as Wisdom flipped his town and scumreads on Alch and Om, he immediately tried to get the reasoning for Om. This doesn't look town because he only decided that Alch was scummier (Wisdom had the same reasons, by the way) once Wisdom explained the Om read. If he was town, I'd expect that unless he's hiding something really important, he'd discard the reason for not finding Alch as scummy (Wisdom's townread on him) immediately and go back to voting Alchemist immediately. I don't understand why he had to be convinced that Om and Alch are not partners to switch off of Om.

Or maybe I've been scumreading both for quite a while. And I'm not convinced that Om and Alch aren't partners. As for changing my vote when conftown gives me reasoning... Well.

The Jingle wagon is terrible.

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He basically just parks a vote on Om and fluffs through the pie-wagon, and the way he tells people not to shut off their brain then trying to stifle the conversation that Wisdom and Sonic are having doesn't scream town to me. It was going to be necessary regardless that pieguy would have to claim and that MS wouldn't claim anything before that, so I don't understand why taking this stance was necessary.

It really wasn't obviously necessary. Pie was at L-2. We have some fashion of hidden voter. One more person was all that was necessary for a quickhammer.

Also please justify your accusation of fluff wrt the quoted posts. One of them was fluff. The rest was actively trying to sort the shit going on ITT.

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Actually: VOTE: Ank

If he flips scum, Alch is probtown. And he's scummier than Alch IMHO.

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I think I found it. I'm not sure it's from Om-town, but Alchemist's flip should clarify that a little and I also think he's likely scum.

VOTE: Alchemist

I don't see Om and Alch as a reasonable possibility.

How else am I supposed to take this statement?

I honestly forgot about that. Now I need to figure out what I saw.

[Jingle]

Hmm. Not seeing it, unless I was thinking Om's push on Alch meant something. On the plus side, rereading Alch, his opinions on Om make sense to me. I actually think he's town.

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Spoiler: A conversation that Ank looked at half of.

Can we not disengage brain and vote Pie due to guilties?

I want Pie's response, claim and reads list, and will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate) a scumclaim.

It is L-3. That is enough for now.

PEDIT: L-2

Get the fuck off pieguy. He's still town.

MS talk to me about what a "pseudo guilty" is, because I'm very close to lynching you.

~Wis

Curiosity, could you kindly shut the fuck up a minute? Pie needs to answer. Then we talk to MS. Jumping the gun does town 0 favors.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure Om is scum. Agree or disagree?

I am not faking guilty on one of my favourite players on the site.

If you two aren't masons then this lynch will go through. Simple as that. Don't go with 'redirector' bs when you clearly don't have any result that contradicts mine

Get the fuck off pieguy. He's still town.

I don't get it, why is pie town? I thought you thought he was town because you thought Kagami was scum.
Also you didnt answer my question

Pie isn't necessarily town, and I want to know what he thinks about this guilty. Wisdom is just being dumb. Kinda like his Jingle is scum rant.

Can we not disengage brain and vote Pie due to guilties?

I want Pie's response, claim and reads list, and will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate) a scumclaim.

It is L-3. That is enough for now.

PEDIT: L-2

why would you ever want a list of reads and a claim but would consider a hammer before that happens?

like I don't even get this.

VOTE: jingle

I want the reads and claim because scum fake guilties. Or have you forgotten AP in Antihero Reboot? Rushing through the day is both stupid and bad play.

will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate)

a scumclaim

Do you read the thread before post mollie?

enough to know that I did not write what you just assigned me posting to.

and I also understand the significance of "or" in your parenthesis but you seem to be ready to lynch him regardless

I think Om is town @ whoever asked me.

Why?

will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate)

a scumclaim

Do you read the thread before post mollie?

enough to know that I did not write what you just assigned me posting to.

and I also understand the significance of "or" in your parenthesis but you seem to be ready to lynch him regardless

It was in the quote in your post. My apologies for implying you stated that.

And no. I'm not at all ready for a lynch. I'm ready for Pie to claim, sure. That's not the same thing. If Pie refuses to answer to the accusation, then yeah, I'll lynch the shit out of him.

Explain what "pseudo guilty" is or I'm voteparking you until you die.

~Wis

Nope, masons or not masons.

That is all there is

I still want pie's response. Dreams, claim nothing further until that happens.

Dreams, wait for pie.

So here's my "fluff" in context, where I'm actually having a discussion and trying to quash antitown discussion. Yup. Super Scummy.

1. He was willing to sheep Wisdom on Alchemist town through Day 1, yet as soon as Wisdom flipped his town and scumreads on Alch and Om, he immediately tried to get the reasoning for Om. This doesn't look town because he only decided that Alch was scummier (Wisdom had the same reasons, by the way) once Wisdom explained the Om read. If he was town, I'd expect that unless he's hiding something really important, he'd discard the reason for not finding Alch as scummy (Wisdom's townread on him) immediately and go back to voting Alchemist immediately. I don't understand why he had to be convinced that Om and Alch are not partners to switch off of Om.

Or maybe I've been scumreading both for quite a while. And I'm not convinced that Om and Alch aren't partners. As for changing my vote when conftown gives me reasoning... Well.

The way you've been switching your votes are what I'm attacking, not your reads.

And you're saying that somehow voting between the different people I'm scumreading is scummy? How?

[Jingle]

Not agreeing with the Om wagon.

Also Ank is town.

Jingle still scum.

~Wis

You'd be more convincing with reasoning.

[Jingle]

Also, a small bit of modmeta:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... t=neighbor

The only game I found searching by author: GuyInFreezer and word neighbor where GIF was mod. It was a neighbor pair with scum. I'm not sure if that makes scum neighbors more likely.

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jingle

updated reads next post plz

also, why have you ignored me this whole game?

I didn't think I had... Possibly because we haven't been on at the same time? Either way, I'm pretty sure you're town so I haven't been poking you. I remember dismissing your "The Jingle wagon sux" case because I was pretty damn sure on Kagami. I now wish that I hadn't. I've got some shit to do right now, but I'll make a reads list later tonight.

[Jingle]

Can we please not talk about Ikaruga. I'm a bit ashamed of that game.

[Jingle]

Jingle
Curiosity (Wisdom + Malakittens)
pieguyn

Dreams of an Absolution (Metal Sonic + Natirasha)
purple hero (Antihero + Ms Marangal)
Mononoke (Sakura Hana + Nachomamma8)

Alchemist21
beeboy
beastcharizard
haj

Jakuzure Nonon (Feirei + caledfwitch)
Saki
SXTLHGaiden
Time (MTD + Aronis)


pirate mollie
Ankamius
ActionDan

nopointinactingup
Om of the Nom

Also, VOTE: Om

I'm gonna have to admit that my reaction to Ank was probably OMGUS. I'm less sure of my reads than I wish I was, but they're roughly grouped in similar levels of strength from town to scum. I'm also willing to admit that my haj read is literally a "I can't be lucky enough to be the opposite alignment." read.

[Jingle]

Saki, I won that game by cultivating town apathy and not getting caught for it. I am ashamed about using that tactic. You SHOULD have won. If Bulb hadn't told me you would win a 1v1 over me I would have offered you the draw.

Either way, that's not very good meta for single player me because I tend to change my style in response to my hydra buddy.

[Jingle]

He's painful to read. I want to lynch him. I'm not lucky enough for him to be scum. What else do you want to know?

[Jingle]

Ahhh. Me Wis mollie and pie pushed a Kagami myslynch, while mollie also called me scum and anti tried to lead a crusade on the people voting me due to them not actually pushing a wagon on me.

Then notty died, and MS showed up with a soft guilty on Pie. He got to L-2, and me, then wisdom, then Ank expressed concerns about a hammer before Pie claimed. Wis started defending the shit outta pie while MS was fishing for a mason claim. Pie claimed masons with wisdom. Meanwhile haj softed a guilty on you. Various wagons built and disappeared ( you probably need to read the last 10 pages).

Then Fei voted Om.

[Jingle]

Fei asked for a summary.

Also

VOTE: Jakuzure Nonon

Now, this won't change until one of us is dead, nor will I produce any more relevant content until one of us is dead.

And I forgot to mention AD and Bee admitted to neighbor->mason gambiting.

[Jingle]

VOTE: Om

[Jingle]

Bad sakura. Fei was supposed to make post 3126.

[Jingle]

*sigh

[Jingle]

Saki, your sig is lying to me. You obviously haven't spent enough time in sitechat recently.

[Jingle]

I honestly am not sure what you're asking.

PEdit: HAHA! I can see into the future! (Kinda)

[Jingle]

We don't bite! should be changed to Some of us don't bite!

Also, Om is L-3 ftr.

[Jingle]

But Shea's been biting people in Sitechat... You're luring people in under false pretences!

[Jingle]

Also, Fei's been slapping people with fish.

[Jingle]

Spoiler:

Jingle
Curiosity (Wisdom + Malakittens)
pieguyn

Dreams of an Absolution (Metal Sonic + Natirasha)
purple hero (Antihero + Ms Marangal)
Mononoke (Sakura Hana + Nachomamma8)

Alchemist21
beeboy
beastcharizard
haj

Jakuzure Nonon (Feirei + caledfwitch)
Saki
SXTLHGaiden
Time (MTD + Aronis)


pirate mollie
Ankamius
ActionDan

nopointinactingup
Om of the Nom

Also, VOTE: Om

I'm gonna have to admit that my reaction to Ank was probably OMGUS. I'm less sure of my reads than I wish I was, but they're roughly grouped in similar levels of strength from town to scum. I'm also willing to admit that my haj read is literally a "I can't be lucky enough to be the opposite alignment." read.

why is mollie so low and why is alchemist so high?

I've been paranoia-ing wrt mollie since D1, and I should probably get around to explaining that sometime soon. For now I'm trusting you to tell me she's town. That doesn't solve my actual read on her. Alchemist has been shooting up and down each time I reread the thread. And I just read his ISO and he's down below mollie again. fuckit.

I'm about to do something that will blow your minds:


the Om wagon is quite literally 5/7 of the unknowns from the Kagami wagon, + Saki and purple (who is prob town).

does anyone see the problem with this lynch?

now if anyone still wants to lynch Om, tell me why either you think scum randomly decided to bus him or why you think Kagami was all town-driven. (for the record, I'm p sure there was at least one scum on Kagami wagon, namely Jakuzure bc their reasoning was ass aka just sheeping Wisdom, but you don't even have to agree with me on who it is. the point is, if Kagami was scum driven, Om is too, and is thus most likely a town lynch)

also I'm just going to keep spamming this until it gets addressed so don't try to bum rush this

Goodpoints are goodpoints.

UNVOTE:

[Jingle]

Okay, time to explain the mollie paranoia.

A preface: Mollie here reminds me of Mollie from OC. This is probably due to the fact that she's pushing me for reasons that appear shitty to me. This is inherently biased.

Mollie 1v1 with Wis is not alignment indicative in my opinion. Mollie is a good enough player to fake that tunnel as scum. What concerns me about that is that she was basically rabid about her scumread on Wisdom, right up until:

I'm starting to feel better about mollie. Her last posts have been kinda townier.

~Wis

Her next post doesn't address Wis at all, and then she posts:

l m a o.

Not everybody has the hubris that like 50% of posters in this game seem to possess. If a guy thinks it's unwise to determine scum-scum interactions without one of the two flipping scum, it has nothing to do with an individual read on any one of them.

speak english

I'm really not sure what you failed to comprehend in this perfectly constructed sentence.

pedit: I'll vote when I'm good and ready. Though if you're annoyed that that sentence applies to you maybe you should attempt to adopt a play style change.

was it in reference to me? cos I didn't really get that but points scored. \o/

I can't even remember the last time you were town.

eta: metal no, that is trust telling so no

I think jinglebellz is scum with his timing and that he instead of trying to read me himself he is going to sheep anti on it. so I am voting him in order to force an interaction cos I think scum!jinglebellz is 1 of those players who does not like to get close and I am gonna get up all into his grill like he will be able to feel breath and everything.

Reasoning that she wants to vote me=shitmeta. Hey anti, remember the day 1 of that game we're not talking about where I tried to 1v1 you and mastin in order to stir up shit and confuse the thread? What alignment was I?

Better question: Why is mollie, who AFAIK has only played with me in hydras so sure that she can read me. Not Lying Cat, but me. Why is it surprising to her that I would trust you, who not only has a lot of experience with her, but hydras with her, to know her better than I do?

The last point of concern: Mollie was pushing two people yesterday. Kagami and me. Lets look at the VC.

Kagami (9): pieguyn, Jingle, pirate mollie, Alchemist21, beeboy, Curiosity, Jakuzure Nonon, Mononoke, UNZAN
Jingle (4): Om of the Nom, Dreams of an Absolution, Ankamius, nopointinactingup

Oh look. Mollie was pushing the wagon and the counterwagon. And that didn't seem off to her, even when anti brought up how sluggish the counterwagon was.

Anti you have been completely fooled by molliescum before. I know this 100%. Look at this and tell me how sure you are mollie is town. If you're still sure, I'll trust you for now.

[Jingle]

Spoiler: A metric shitton of Alchemist quotes

Did you really just list the mod-confirmed player as a scumspect?

VOTE: Om

I don't like this. He's assuming things. That doesn't necessarily mean scum, but it's a red flag.

Why would they ask that as town?

Maybe cop?

Do not like. Very antitown. Much badness.

VOTE: Kagami

Reasons:
~Trying to shrug off the mod-confirmation of Time as nothing more than flavor confirmation
~His crappy vote on Beeboy

I'm very comfortable with placing my vote here now. Looking back at pie's responses to Kagami's and Beastcharizard's vote on Beeboy, I'm confident that pieguy is town.

This pinged as genuine to me. I think he actually believes om is conftown at this point.

@Jingle: I'm townreading you because I see all your posts coming from town motivation. It's also because I agree with you heavily about Beeboy and Kagami.

There are some who have told me the fact that Time is mod-confirmed means nothing about their alignment. Do you agree with that statement (evidence for why you agree would be nice)?

The question reads as genuine, but the townread on me raises my hackles.

Vote:Haj

The process from this post and this post to this hammer vote was so scummy I'm surprised no one even saw it. He just asked everyone to wagon himself, soft-defends the K-wagon, then take no action and stall for a while until the mislynch is complete. Jingle is still scummy but this is the gem shit

Tons of buzzwords. You also neglected pretty much every post I made between the ones you quoted which clearly stated that I was weary of the day and wanted some flip, any flip. Kagami's townflip makes Jakuzure's ISO much more lynchable now that we finally have a flip.

VOTE: Jakuzure Nonon

Now, this won't change until one of us is dead,

nor will I produce any more relevant content until one of us is dead.

I read that as an extremely anti-town statement

Tons of buzzwords. You also neglected pretty much every post I made between the ones you quoted which clearly stated that I was weary of the day and wanted some flip, any flip. Kagami's townflip makes Jakuzure's ISO much more lynchable now that we finally have a flip.

VOTE: Jakuzure Nonon

Now, this won't change until one of us is dead, nor will I produce any more relevant content until one of us is dead.

How does Kagami's flip in any way make Nonon more lynchable?

~MTD

I'm sure you can figure it out if you use your brain. Judging by your posts in this game, the thing needs some exercise badly anyways.

I also hate arguments like this. Not everyone reads ISO's from the same perspective. Just because you see something doesn't mean everyone else will. If you have something to point out, do it. Plus, your just plain being an ass at this point.

VOTE: Haj

Townish. He seems to care that haj is being incredibly antitown, and he looks to be trying to stop that.

I am actually dumbfounded right now at the fact that they thought I voted them because of who they voted.

@Ank:

I don't like naked votes so please give reasons when you do stuff or else I will conf bias you as scum the whole game.

UNVOTE:

Why does everyone hate when I try to have fun? :'(

This all traces back to your vote on me. Ank votes you for it, you switch to Ank, and a ton of people called you out for your vote on me as well.

I don't think mass claim in a closed setup is ever a good idea.

Scum. He's assigning negative results to voting him. The premise behind his post is "Voting me produces negative results." That has absolutely nothing to do with beast's alignment, and doesn't show an attempt to solve alignments, but rather looks like he's trying to discourage voting alchemist.

VOTE: Action Dan

AD why would you ever think it's a good idea to run a mason gambit as neighbors if you're town? Claiming either this early on is a bad idea IMO as well.

P.S. @whoever thinks it's a good idea: The mass claim is a terrible idea because there are Vanillas in the game. All the scum just claim VT while the PR's out themselves or claim VT. It informs nobody but the mafia and is by no means accurate.

Mass claim is not good now but may be at some point later in the game. The post is townish though. He looks to be trying to figure out AD's thought process.

UNVOTE: ActionDan

Ok. I can see this situation as going a couple ways, but if I'm understanding AD's intentions in that link, I think I can see what he's doing here.

VOTE: Haj

Putting my vote back here.

I attribute actually following links and doing research to town in a vacuum, so this is mildly town.

tbh i feel more town in regards to jngle even towards the end of the day i just didnt want to be on the inevitable kagami lynch

Voting a townread because you didn't want to be on the mislynch?

Seems legit.

VOTE: Om

I can see the point here.

I'm seriously bouncing back and forth on this read.

[Jingle]

1. so I am scum cos I am pushing you for what you think are shitty reasons cos this is what I did in oc? I don't think they are shitty reasons but they are reasons that I exactly cannot talk about.
2. I said I was feeling better about wis before he said he wa feeling better about me. which is why I did not respond to his next post after he said he was feeling better about me too that you quoted. what it looks like is you are doing is trying to pull a narrative out of your ass.
3. I am not sure that I can read you but I sure as fuck thought that you had reason to read me. my bad, if you are town. the whole reason I am laying off of you for a bit is cos I do not wanna make the same mistake I made with kagami where a player doesn't live up to my expectations and so I autoread them as scum.
4. yep I was pushing 2 wagons on 2 people that I thought were scum. go figure! did you know that sometimes the top 2 lynch choices are sometimes on scum? it is true! I have seen it before would you like a list of games?
5. I don't like the last appeal to anti 1 bit.

1. I'm not 100% on this. I'm pretty interested in what reasons you have that you can't talk about, because to the best of my knowledge there shouldn't be any. But I'm sure that can wait a while, so no pressure.

2.

Don't be scum, wisdom :<

I think they are, wis is noisy scum.

sakura/nacho might be too, nacho would have checked in by now and if he thought that I was actually scum he would have said something. he is avoiding and that pretty much means they are scum especially since sakura's vote came out of nowhere with zero follow-up.

l m a o.

Not everybody has the hubris that like 50% of posters in this game seem to possess. If a guy thinks it's unwise to determine scum-scum interactions without one of the two flipping scum, it has nothing to do with an individual read on any one of them.

just vote me you cheeky scumfuck

I'm starting to feel better about mollie. Her last posts have been kinda townier.

~Wis

Lie harder, mollie.

3. a. I'm much better scum than town. b. My talents as town are mostly PR spec and use oriented. c. I'm also trying not to auto scumread you. Usually when we play, I have sthar8 to read you for me, and I have no confidence in my ability to read you because of that.

4. And it didn't seem odd to you that no other wagons were getting pushed? I thought I was the counterwagon. I don't know why you would think that scum would be the only 2 wagons with anyone really pushing them. It's not that we were the top 2 lynch choices, but rather that we were virtually the only two lynch choices.

5. I'm sorry. I'll tell anti to look at you objectively in a way that's less offensive next time.

[Jingle]

Full clarification, if you fakeclaim a guilty as town, I will try to policy lynch you in literally every game we play from now on and laugh at you behind your back.

Is it actually a guilty?

[Jingle]

Fei-led, If it is possible for town to get a guilty on you, explain how now. Otherwise, I think you should claim.

Haj, after that, you need to claim. NOT BEFORE Fei-led responds.

[Jingle]

Wis, do you agree with my proposed sequence of events, regardless of your wanting to lynch me?

[Jingle]

Why?

Unrelated question: How many investigatives would you expect in a 21 player game?

[Jingle]

On the off chance it's real, I'd like to get Jakuzure to confirm it. Also, we should probably leash haj to investigate a specific player each night.

[Jingle]

haj's original post was actually how I'd expect a cop with a guilty to try to get his lynch without outing. Also, does haj not read as frustrated in the last few posts?

[Jingle]

I'm with wis on the if this is a fake guilty he'll probably not retract it.

[Jingle]

Hey, haj. If you have any completed games could you link them for meta purposes?

[Jingle]

Also, I see two possible courses of action.

1: We ignore the guilty. If haj ever flips Investigative we lynch Jaku. Haj should probably be investigated at some point.
2: We pursue the claims as I suggested, and possibly lynch Fei-led. Haj gets leashed and investigates as town wants.

Either way, I want Jaku to say if there is any way for them to show up as guilty to any investigative.

[Jingle]

Okay. Haj, claim what type of investigative you are and what result exactly you got.

[Jingle]

Gaiden can confirm.

Also, Gaiden, please confirm.

[Jingle]

Lolnope.

I'm not getting lynched, today or ever, this game.

Also, making haj claim the type of investigative he is doesn't hurt us. Asking FeiLed to claim doesn't hurt us. Your tunneling however, is not helping anything. If I flipped town, who would you be looking at?

[Jingle]

Wisdom, the sheer fact that this is even a consideration is everything that is wrong with the current site meta. faking guilties should not even be possible. the idea that there is any tolerance at all for faking guilties, which you are providing by arguing against policy lynching him if he's lying about it, encourages this behavior

moreover, what you are doing also has the obvious side effect of discrediting what could potentially be a legitimate guilty

moreover, if haj DOESN'T have a guilty, where is the investigative role then? there is bound to be at least one in this game that is not MS bc I know what role he has and it's not very good. this will be resolved once haj actually gets the fuck in here and claims his exact role

I can list off a whole bunch of reasons why you should, you know, actually listen when someone gets a guilty, but tl;dr is please shut up this one time and not insist on something that is theoretically wrong. tia

I like this mason more. Wisdom, sheep pie for today.

[Jingle]

Hey wis, I have a thought for you. I don't need you to do this in thread, but I want you to argue why jakuzure is town, without once mentioning Haj. Then I want you to argue why haj is town without taking into account the 'guilty.

You are arguing that Jaku townflip will mean haj lynch (and probable haj townflip.) If this is the case, how is it protown at all to leave that sequence of events till later? Are you suggesting we leave the hornet's nest undisturbed now only to piss on it closer to LYLO? How is putting your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALA" going to help this situation at all?

[Jingle]

So what you're saying is that you don't have a solution, and we're basically sitting on our thumbs until haj claims. Cool.

Assume for the moment that I'm town. Talk to me about my thoughts re: mollie and alchemist.

[Jingle]

VOTE: Jakuzure

That's L-2, for those following along. I'm fine with that.

[Jingle]

The claim and Gaiden's confirmation makes me doubt Jakuzure is scum.

Why does fruit vendor = town?

[Jingle]

It wasn't really a vendor and vendor didn't help explain why Gaiden could confirm. Jakuzure's claim clarified it for me.

What exactly is the difference between the claim and fruit vendor, other than flavor?

PEdit: Anti, I've got you. Deep breaths.

[Jingle]

They receive fruit. Gaiden claimed to have received the message "spring is here". Sounds the same to me.

[Jingle]

The claim and Gaiden's confirmation makes me doubt Jakuzure is scum.

Why does fruit vendor = town?

Look at this question you never answered.

[Jingle]

I kinda want to lynch Alch right now.

[Jingle]

Ok. Let's do an experiment together. Saki, you're a tracker. You target me. You see me visit Wisdom. Antihero dies. What do you do?

[Jingle]

Yes. That makes all of the sense. And your assumption isn't baseless. Tell me more about the power scum has.

[Jingle]

Oh, but you're trying to convince me that haj hears hoof beats and thinks zebra. And doesn't back down on his guilty when it is actually explained. Your explanation is less likely than the 'fakeguilty' camp.

[Jingle]

The issue is the likelihood of town thinking of that explanation.

[Jingle]

Alchemist, in order to receive that thoughtprocess is assuming:

1. haj is town.
2. haj is investigative.
3. FeiLed is town.
4. haj has absolutely no idea what a tracker guilty actually is.

Why would you, as town, assume all of these things? Even Wisdom doesn't believe all of these things, and he's convinced that haj and FieLed are scum. This is Alchemist trying to stroke Wis's ego and look town.

Further, it doesn't actually mean that jaku OR haj are actually town. If one of them is his scumbuddy, this is exactly the stance that sees neither of them lynched today.

[Jingle]

Alchemist, in order to receive that thoughtprocess is assuming:

1. haj is town.
2. haj is investigative.
3. FeiLed is town.
4. haj has absolutely no idea what a tracker guilty actually is.

Why would you, as town, assume all of these things? Even Wisdom doesn't believe all of these things, and he's convinced that haj and FieLed aren't scum. This is Alchemist trying to stroke Wis's ego and look town.

Further, it doesn't actually mean that jaku OR haj are actually town. If one of them is his scumbuddy, this is exactly the stance that sees neither of them lynched today.

FTFM

Is that more or less complicated than: "He's scum." A hint: I kind of want to lynch Alchemist.

Also, I agree with lynching Jaku. See: My Vote.

[Jingle]

And haj, seeing Fei claim to have visited Gaiden and Gaiden confirming this, didn't retract his guilty in this scenario because?

[Jingle]

1. haj is town.
2. haj is investigative.
3. FeiLed is town.
4. haj has absolutely no idea what a tracker guilty actually is.

he said himself that 3 may not be true
4 is a valid town assumption

1 and 2 make perfect sense from the standpoint of 'oh, this is what might've happened'

There are two possible scenarios that both Haj and Feirei are town.

1) Haj is a tracker and saw Feirei visit gaiden and jumped to conclusion: Feirei is scum

2)Haj is retard fake guilty


Very possible

I personally believe neither of these. My issue is with Alchemist suggesting the first one with what has happened ITT. Which is, from my perspective, Bullshit.

[Jingle]

If Haj claims tracker I'm gonna want to lynch him. Just FYI.

[Jingle]

'haj might be a tracker'

[Jingle]

If haj is wake then I'd be liable to assume this is genuine. Wake has expressed a desire to improve himself.

Now argue Jaku town and Alch town, if you'd please.

[Jingle]

Sonic, I'd appreciate you arguing your Jaku and Alch reads. Thanks.

[Jingle]

And Wisdom continues to have his head up his ass.

[Jingle]

Yes. I am.

Now, I'm just going to point this out: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... e+town+cop

If haj is faking a guilty as town, he's got to realize that everyone playing in this game will likely hate him and lynch him on policy for the foreseeable future. I'm with pie that the only way to stop town from faking guilties is to punish it.

[Jingle]

And in the case that idiots sign up to the site, join a game, and fuck it by being unrepentantly awful, you'll forgive me for pretending that the world isn't quite that awful.

In the case that haj is a jackass and actively trying to ruin the game, I would be advocating his lynch. Because we cannot win with that level of bullshit coming from living town.

[Jingle]

Haj has NOTHING to lose by faking guilty.

Haj has nothing to lose by faking a guilty, but what does he have to gain?

I'm serious here. If this is a fake guilty, I'm going to want to PL him. I think faking guilties (as town) is playing against your win condition, and should be banable. Thus, I operate under the assumption that he isn't actively an asshat.

[Jingle]

I'd also be fine with lynching someone who wasn't one of the two if that didn't mean that MS would be the kill and the same shit would happen tomorrow.

Worst case on lynching Fei: We lose a slot of contention and a useless townie.

Worst case on lynching Haj: We lose a cop, and another one gets NK'd.

One of these things is less awful.

[Jingle]

I think the point of contention is that I still believe in human decency.

[Jingle]

If he is right, we have to suck his crotch. If he is wrong, we kick his crotch

This is wrong, btw. If Fei flips scum and haj flips VT, I will ridicule him just as hard. I will attempt to policy lynch him any time I see him, and will tell my friends he's an incompetent jackass. There is NO GOOD REASON to fakeclaim a guilty as town.

[Jingle]

If fei flips scum, he's the probable NK. Or, in the post game I get to abuse him.

[Jingle]

Thank you for arguing against ever letting an alt play in one of my games.

[Jingle]

No, I'm pretty sure that's what your advocating.

It's a short jump from:

"He's an alt, there's no way of punishing him" to "Alts can't be punished" to "Alts are a risk to the game." I'm actually genuinely considering that, or at least adding a rule specifically forbidding faking an investigative role as town to my rules list. And my personal opinion of you as a player has dropped.

[Jingle]

Pretty sure Jaku is L-2.

[Jingle]

Alchemist21 (1): purple hero
Jakuzure Nonon (8): haj, ActionDan, Saki, Mononoke, pieguyn, Time, Jingle, Ankamius
pieguy (1): beeboy
Jingle (3): Curiosity, nopointinactingup, purple hero,
ActionDan (1): Dreams of an Absolution
Om of the Nom (1): Alchemist21,
Haj (1): Om of the Nom

Not Voting: SXTLHGaiden, beastcharizard, Jakuzure Nonon, pirate mollie

Fairly certain that's accurate, though I didn't format it pretty.

[Jingle]

VC 2.06

Alchemist21 (1):

purple hero

Jakuzure Nonon (3):

haj, ActionDan, Alchemist21

pieguy (1):

beeboy

Jingle (5):

Ankamius, Curiosity, nopointinactingup, purple hero, Mononoke

ActionDan (1):

Dreams of an Absolution

Om of the Nom (1):

Saki

Not Voting:

SXTLHGaiden, Time, beastcharizard, pirate mollie, Jingle, Jakuzure Nonon, pieguyn, Om of the Nom

With 19 alive, 10 votes to lynch

Deadline: November 6, 12:45 PM EST.
Countdown: (expired on 2014-11-06 12:45:00)

Huh. Purple Hero shows up twice here, too.

@mod- Is purple hero voting twice?

[Jingle]

Haj has NOTHING to lose by faking guilty.

Haj has nothing to lose by faking a guilty, but what does he have to gain?

I'm serious here. If this is a fake guilty, I'm going to want to PL him. I think faking guilties (as town) is playing against your win condition, and should be banable. Thus, I operate under the assumption that he isn't actively an asshat.

jingle I think you are town here.

I am catching up but I saw something that was related to earlier thoughts.

No shit I'm town, mollie.

[Jingle]

I could lynch Jaku. Haj is off the table for today. If Jaku isn't the lynch, pie picks someone for haj to investigate and he gets chained.

Of the other players, I could lynch Alch or AD. Frankly, I'm not sure where I stand on everyone else at this point, and I wouldn't be comfortable lynching them.

MS should definitely get doc attention tonight.

[Jingle]

Dat pr directing

pls guys. Jingle is scum, there's zero doubt

~Wis

For fucks sake. Do you listen to yourself? Have you faked a guilty?

[Jingle]

Haj has NOTHING to lose by faking guilty.

Haj has nothing to lose by faking a guilty, but what does he have to gain?

I'm serious here. If this is a fake guilty, I'm going to want to PL him. I think faking guilties (as town) is playing against your win condition, and should be banable. Thus, I operate under the assumption that he isn't actively an asshat.

jingle I think you are town here.

I am catching up but I saw something that was related to earlier thoughts.

No shit I'm town, mollie.

well it took long enough.

and don't look at me like that.

for any1 who is scumreading jingle:

scum do not take unnatural stances in an organic way. jingle's whole "I believe the best in humanity!" and the evolution of his stance is pretty organic. as in there is growth. seeds. branches even.

so my earlier thought when I was catching up had to do with 3572. cos bboy's early d2 enthusiasm combined with the cheekiness of that post freaking reeks of scum. especially if there is town infighting going on.

VOTE: beeboy

I feel vaguely insulted for some reason.

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Yeah, I gotta agree with wis on Bee.

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Everyone in this conversation is town

I'm still not sure on mollie.

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You know that argument by repetition isn't actually more likely to be right, right?

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Here's where I make a snippy comment comparing the pie wagon to the FeiLed wagon.

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For the record, I'd just like to say that I should not have softed nearly as hard as I did. But my reads were semi decent. And Wisdom was tunneling on me, which shouldn't have been as frustrating as it was.

Also, Fuck Haj.