NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

Flubbernugget
Survivor
 
User avatar
Joined: June 26, 2014
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1900  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:34 pm

I also wouldn't mind a dave lynch, whoever brought it up.

Scripten
Mafia Scum
 
User avatar
Joined: May 14, 2014
Location: New York, USA
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1901  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:40 pm

Can we go over why Dave is scummy? I've not gotten that vibe at all. Granted, I've never seen him be scum, either.

Flubbernugget
Survivor
 
User avatar
Joined: June 26, 2014
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1902  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:42 pm

He's passively scumhunting.

Flubbernugget
Survivor
 
User avatar
Joined: June 26, 2014
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1903  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:43 pm

Oh and this.

Flubbernugget
Survivor
 
User avatar
Joined: June 26, 2014
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1904  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:44 pm

In post 1527, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 852, davesaz wrote:The reason I voted PeregrineV is that his post of reads was very comprehensive but mostly really thin. I believe I commented that I didn't see how there could be so many reads with so little information. When I combined that with the aspect that Thor pointed out (Pere seems to be fishing for a 2nd scum team) it pushed Pere firmly into scum territory for me.


I read this as "my vote on PV is shit so maybe sheeping thor will spray enough fabreeze on it for nobody to notice."

Aegor
Mafia Scum
 
User avatar
Joined: August 11, 2007
Location: Omega Station

Post Post #1905  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:17 pm

Votecount 1.15

[7]PeregrineV: Egg, Thor665, Muffin, Scripten, davesaz, The Fonz, Boonskiies
[5]Thor665: goodmorning, Nero Cain, flubbernugget, Izariael, TierShift
[2]AxleGreaser: Garmr, T S O
[1]Aneninen: WBOCampfire1104
[1]WBOCampire1104: Grayfoxxxx
[1]Scripten: PeregrineV
[1]T S O: AxleGreaser

[3] Not Voting: Slandaar, hephaestus, Aneninen

With 21 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline: suspended

Mod Notes
PeregrineV is V/LA until the 20th.
Last edited by Aegor on Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:43 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Currently partying at the M A S Q U E R A D E -- a Large Normal for 21 revelers.

Izariael
Goon
 
User avatar
Joined: July 27, 2014
Location: Narnia
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1906  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:37 pm

@MOD: There are two separate Thor tallies on that VC :up:

Fixed.
I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.

Thor665
Papa Smurf
 
User avatar
Joined: October 11, 2009
Location: Venice, FL
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1907  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:10 pm

In post 1875, Izariael wrote:@Thor: Which of your reads in are strong reads? Are all of them committed?

They are all as committed as I state them to be. This is a weird question that I'm not sure how to answer.

AxleGreaser
Mafia Scum
 
User avatar
Joined: April 19, 2014
Location: (+10)

Post Post #1908  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:12 am

In post 1856, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 1851, Garmr wrote:Because Tso is being Tso.


also I am a little intrigued.

When Aneninen said that is just Bonnskies being Boonskies he was referring to a thing that happened.

Your statement seems to be more open ended. (aka: Do you think the whole TSO filter is TSO being TSO?)

Is that an unequivocal town read by you on TSO as, TSO is being TSO?

Aneninen
Very Important Pigeon
 
User avatar
Joined: June 09, 2014
Location: Lost in E.B.O.N.Y.
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1909  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:33 am

In post 1886, Garmr wrote:@axle oh well the misunderstanding caused me to meta tso which is a positive thing. I did read it but thought a town annenian would back up his reasoning when i said boon is just boon is not an excuse. I felt you held a double standard to something you support and which you don't.


What kind of explanation did you want for "Boonskiies is Boonskiies" in that moment? He hardly posted anything. Should I have linked the game we were link? If so, I could still do it.

@Izariael: so you think PeregrineV is a mislynch. Why do you think that Thor is scum because pushing his wagon? Wouldn't it possible that Thor simply misreads someone?

In post 1902, Flubbernugget wrote:He's passively scumhunting.


Can you define that concept for me?
R.I.P. Stephen Hawking

Garmr
Jack of All Trades
 
User avatar
Joined: August 23, 2013
Location: The Ban Thread
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1910  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:49 am

In post 1909, Aneninen wrote:
In post 1886, Garmr wrote:@axle oh well the misunderstanding caused me to meta tso which is a positive thing. I did read it but thought a town annenian would back up his reasoning when i said boon is just boon is not an excuse. I felt you held a double standard to something you support and which you don't.


What kind of explanation did you want for "Boonskiies is Boonskiies" in that moment? He hardly posted anything. Should I have linked the game we were link? If so, I could still do it.



In post 1902, Flubbernugget wrote:He's passively scumhunting.


Can you define that concept for me?

A example of town boon skies being conscious of his plays in a past game would of been nice.

T S O
Survivor
 
User avatar
Joined: February 11, 2013
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1911  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:58 am

Aneninen, what exactly are your reads right now?
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso" -Marquis

T S O
Survivor
 
User avatar
Joined: February 11, 2013
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1912  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:58 am

I'm rather disappointed that the Axle wagon hasn't taken off, but my credibility is dead in the water, so yeah.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso" -Marquis

AxleGreaser
Mafia Scum
 
User avatar
Joined: April 19, 2014
Location: (+10)

Post Post #1913  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:08 am

In post 1912, T S O wrote:I'm rather disappointed that the Axle wagon hasn't taken off, but my credibility is dead in the water, so yeah.


let me help you, with addressing that problem

In post 1887, T S O wrote:
In post 1882, Slandaar wrote:TSO can you actually post in one place why you think/thought Aneninen is scum please?


Yeah, yeah, I'm doing it.


nearly half the game ago...

In post 1098, Thor665 wrote:Kind of odd to say seeing as how I haven't said that.

His case is, basically, that you are making flapping arm motions to make your raised issues seem more important than they are, and when questioned on them you get dodgy and don't give clear answers.
I saw it as quite true in, for example, your raised "issue" with the Anemian opening vote and how you chose to creatively interpret Axle's question to you.

He has been very clear about stating this - why have you failed to even think he has?
Whether or not you agree with his case on you, he has certainly presented it.
Are you reading his posts?

Flubbernugget
Survivor
 
User avatar
Joined: June 26, 2014
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1914  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:06 am

In post 1909, Aneninen wrote:Can you define that concept for me?


He's barely interacting with anyone. He's just posting enough passive analysis to fly under the radar.

AxleGreaser
Mafia Scum
 
User avatar
Joined: April 19, 2014
Location: (+10)

Post Post #1915  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:26 am

@everyone else (probably totally ignorable, (by you) )
@Flubbernugget a question
Spoiler: personal interest atm
aka I expect its going no where, but unless I understand I cant form judgements
In post 1914, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1909, Aneninen wrote:Can you define that concept for me?


He's barely interacting with anyone. He's just posting enough passive analysis to fly under the radar.




What does barely interacting with anyone mean?
When I skimmed the ISO, checking for what i think(thought) that would mean,
I found (backwards in recent time) (talking to GM), poking boonskies, poking TSO about the case that hasnt happened, talking to (me)Axle, some @Flubber ....

Got an example of someone else doing "active analaysis"? (aka not passive analysis)

Flubbernugget
Survivor
 
User avatar
Joined: June 26, 2014
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1916  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:38 am

Poking boonskies. Lol.

Where was he talking to (not at) GM? What percentage of his play entail?

I would say your analysis is more active that most players (even if it is tunneling bullshit). I haven't really tried to parse his posting but I also get the impression that Garmr is actively scumhunting and having actual conversations with people.

What do you think of dave's current vote?

Slandaar
Survivor
 
User avatar
Joined: August 03, 2011
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1917  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:12 am

I think Thor and PV are both town.

Lets lynch someone else.

VOTE: GoodMorning

GM is good as scum so she hasn't made any huge mistakes or slips and this makes it hard to make an argument against her but her tone doesn't feel right and she never seems to have much point to what she says. :]

But seriously; The way she acted during Csareo's time was incredibly scummy. She asked him multitudes of questions and argued lots of what he said because it was easy. It looks good when you argue with someone like Csareo because you will always win and thus come out looking good but at the same time she wasn't pushing the wagon or really doing anything with the questions she asked or points she disputed. You can see this later where she never again questions anyone to such an extent, take Thor she never questions him.

Now here is a more physical point;
In post 34, goodmorning wrote:Does Town need to know whether a claimed Reviver can self-Revive? No.
Does Scum? Yes.
Does that make my dislike of your question clearer?

In post 54, goodmorning wrote:You can be curious, but when you're rolefishing that's bad.

In post 62, goodmorning wrote:Sorry, rolefishing isn't scummy now?

She implies scummy. While never voting him.

GM thinks rolefishing is scummy, now think about this response;
In post 1802, goodmorning wrote:It's terribly transparent, trying to lynch a PR. trying to rolefish. Your answer is too simple - it doesn't take consequences into account.

GM is scum. She is thinking on different levels when it suits her.

The End.

Thor665
Papa Smurf
 
User avatar
Joined: October 11, 2009
Location: Venice, FL
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1918  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:57 am

In post 1917, Slandaar wrote:It looks good when you argue with someone like Csareo because you will always win and thus come out looking good but at the same time she wasn't pushing the wagon or really doing anything with the questions she asked or points she disputed. You can see this later where she never again questions anyone to such an extent,

This is something I'd very much like to hear goodmorning address.

@Garmr
@TSO

There are limited players available to snag for a wagon since this game is a total lurkfest.
Could each of you tell me - in a sentence or two - why you do not support the Pere wagon (and, to stave off 20 questions, if your answer is 'I think Pere is town' my immediate followup question will be 'why do you think this?' so feel free to skip to that answer to speed things along).

@Goodmorning - as long as we're discussing things, I would like to see you analyze the Thor wagon as it currently exists and express your thoughts on its current movement and what you think about it.

Also, I'm off v/la, so I'm planning to push the Pere wagon to L-1. You're all welcome.
Seriously guys, the wagon action in this game is embarrassing - what is up with you all? Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this is bad and weird, right?

Thor665
Papa Smurf
 
User avatar
Joined: October 11, 2009
Location: Venice, FL
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1919  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:00 am

@Axle - oh, and as far as the compare contrast thing. If you're using weak examples (as I think you are) and aren't going to show all of them in one fell swoop..what do you think the endgame point of the exercise is? I'll still do it on TSO, but I want you to state that you have a goal and maybe even clue me in enough on the goal so I can obligate you to do it once you get the answer. I am too lazy to do busy work for the sake of busy work.

goodmorning
Survivor
 
User avatar
Joined: October 15, 2012
Location: THE SWAMPS OF MOSQUITOEY HELL (aka Orlando, FL)
Pronoun: She

Post Post #1920  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:37 am

In post 1917, Slandaar wrote:But seriously; The way she acted during Csareo's time was incredibly scummy. She asked him multitudes of questions and argued lots of what he said because it was easy. It looks good when you argue with someone like Csareo because you will always win and thus come out looking good but at the same time she wasn't pushing the wagon or really doing anything with the questions she asked or points she disputed.

I don't know if you know this, but I IC a lot of Newbie games. I tend to get in that habit when I see people behaving newbishly in games that are not Newbie games.
I wasn't questioning him to win an argument. I was questioning him to clarify his stance on TSO. I wasn't questioning him to build a case on him. I was questioning him to attempt to read him.

You can see this later where she never again questions anyone to such an extent, take Thor she never questions him.

Nobody else has made a point that someone hasn't asked them to clarify, besides which I hardly ever question people like that. I love when it happens though, it's great for reading people, getting down into their thought processes and watching them tick.

Now here is a more physical point;
In post 34, goodmorning wrote:Does Town need to know whether a claimed Reviver can self-Revive? No.
Does Scum? Yes.
Does that make my dislike of your question clearer?

In post 54, goodmorning wrote:You can be curious, but when you're rolefishing that's bad.

In post 62, goodmorning wrote:Sorry, rolefishing isn't scummy now?

She implies scummy. While never voting him.

GM thinks rolefishing is scummy, now think about this response;
In post 1802, goodmorning wrote:It's terribly transparent, trying to lynch a PR. trying to rolefish. Your answer is too simple - it doesn't take consequences into account.

GM is scum. She is thinking on different levels when it suits her.

You're kidding me. The rolefishing set is aimed at a single newb newb newb player (who actually tried to rolefish). The second set is thinking of a hypothetical reasonably experienced set of Scum (who are apparently not taking the "lynch Boonskiies" action).
Of course I'm thinking on different levels - one of them is labelled "Inexperience Challenged."

In post 1918, Thor665 wrote:@Goodmorning - as long as we're discussing things, I would like to see you analyze the Thor wagon as it currently exists and express your thoughts on its current movement and what you think about it.

If you're asking me for any kind of VCA... I don't do that. If you're asking me to discuss the stated reasoning for each vote on your wagon and whether that looks kosher then I'll ask you to do the same for the Pere wagon.
Just let me know which it is.
EFFORT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENT
Calling On Dragons coming eventually!

Get to know a very pleasant AM.

Thor665
Papa Smurf
 
User avatar
Joined: October 11, 2009
Location: Venice, FL
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1921  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:49 am

In post 1920, goodmorning wrote:Nobody else has made a point that someone hasn't asked them to clarify, besides which I hardly ever question people like that. I love when it happens though, it's great for reading people, getting down into their thought processes and watching them tick.

So you feel good about how everyone else has answered those questions?

In post 1920, goodmorning wrote:
In post 1918, Thor665 wrote:@Goodmorning - as long as we're discussing things, I would like to see you analyze the Thor wagon as it currently exists and express your thoughts on its current movement and what you think about it.

If you're asking me for any kind of VCA... I don't do that. If you're asking me to discuss the stated reasoning for each vote on your wagon and whether that looks kosher then I'll ask you to do the same for the Pere wagon.
Just let me know which it is.

I have already done that for the Pere wagon.
Yes, I'd love to see you do it for mine.

Garmr
Jack of All Trades
 
User avatar
Joined: August 23, 2013
Location: The Ban Thread
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1922  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:10 am

In post 1918, Thor665 wrote:@TSO

There are limited players available to snag for a wagon since this game is a total lurkfest.
Could each of you tell me - in a sentence or two - why you do not support the Pere wagon (and, to stave off 20 questions, if your answer is 'I think Pere is town' my immediate followup question will be 'why do you think this?' so feel free to skip to that answer to speed things along).


His a town read of mine but to anwsers the follow up questions mind if anwser in three sentences :cool: ?

He shared a similar thought process earlier in the game with me on reads I said and some reads I didn't. This is how he has behaved in pretty much all the games his been in with me except his not scum reading me for a change lol. Finally I don't like some of the players on the pere wagon.

Thor665
Papa Smurf
 
User avatar
Joined: October 11, 2009
Location: Venice, FL
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1923  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:58 am

@Garmr - have you ever played with scum Pere?

Also, what players on his wagon do you dislike and why?

Finally, you say you liked his thought process earlier...do you still like it now?

davesaz
Jack of All Trades
 
User avatar
Joined: August 25, 2014
Location: Class of 93
Pronoun: He

Post Post #1924  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:09 am

In post 1902, Flubbernugget wrote:He's passively scumhunting.

In post 1904, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1527, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 852, davesaz wrote:The reason I voted PeregrineV is that his post of reads was very comprehensive but mostly really thin. I believe I commented that I didn't see how there could be so many reads with so little information. When I combined that with the aspect that Thor pointed out (Pere seems to be fishing for a 2nd scum team) it pushed Pere firmly into scum territory for me.


I read this as "my vote on PV is shit so maybe sheeping thor will spray enough fabreeze on it for nobody to notice."


This is how I play. I prefer to read the thread and decide who is scum by what they post. I have enough time to post a few times total per day across all my internet activity, everywhere. Deal with it.

PreviousNext
[ + ]

Return to Completed Large Normal Games