Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

[Grib]

/confirm

Hey there insanity, Finn.

[Grib]

VOTE: FinnLaw

He has red in his avatar. Obvious team of Finn/Scripten is obvious.

[Grib]

Surprised Scripten didn't reply...I know he worries about his early D1 play being bad. You scared I'll sniff you out Scripten?

Sniff him out...hm. That sounds like something a Carnivore would say.

Am I mistaken? Are you in fact a Carnivore, BBT?

[Grib]

Caught meateater detected.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

[Grib]

I wonder if that constitutes a townslip for you. Hm. I already had a light townread on you anyway.

The setup heavily implies three factions. Two scum and likely one 3P.

[Grib]

Actually, the flavor really should have clued you in. Mine spelled it out for me clearly enough.

[Grib]

All I know is that non-Herbivores must die.

More votes on the fleshchewer BBT.

And for the record, I have been in a micro on this site with a scumteam and a Serial Killer.

[Grib]

It was a ridiculously long micro game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58821

[Grib]

Well, in that particular game scum could not kill at Night. The team was a Vengeful Goon and a D1 Doublevoter.

Anyway. Enough about that. Time to find BBT's partner.

fake edit: I'm assuming town can only be Herbivores because I'm town and I (paraphrasing here) loathe the very existence of Omnivores and Carnivores.

fake edit again: wait.

[Grib]

Actually, disliking non-Herbivores may just be referring to my dinosaur's personality.

Hm.

If someone else confirms that Carnivores can be town I'll buy it.

[Grib]

I don't think it's an absurd assumption. I'm town, got an Herbivore, and I hate non-Herbivores.

You're too excited by my mistake and painting it as 100% a scumslip. Which it isn't.

[Grib]

I actually like Gribble. Unintentional pet names rock.

[Grib]

Also 46 was at BBT, in case you thought I was talking to you it something.

[Grib]

This is irritating. Let's get back to killing BBT.

Spoiler: kill

Grib saw this and assumed that Herbivores must be town.

Grib is scum. Votes on Grib please.

Refuses to acknowledge the possibility that I'm town. He has yet to present a reason why what I did was a scumslip specifically rather than a general derp.

That's how it looks to me.

Just calling it how I see it.

Low-hanging fruit...on page 3...

Not sure if serious...

Now attempting to back off, trying to weasel out of his strong scumread of me.

Fantastic.

Can you tell me why you're so sure he isn't scum?

Irritated that nobody jumped onto my wagon with him. And now he's trying to force Pine to justify his townread of me, rather than giving an actual reason why I'm scum since his one (1) original reason is, at best, smoke.

Also exaggerating Pine's townread of me, when Pine himself stated it was mild.

I think he has a scum PM.

I think he used the intro flavour to guess that townies would be Herbivores based on the colours used in the intro post.

I am an Herbivore and made an assumption based on the flavor.

Moving on.

I think he has tried to word it to look like a town-slip when it's actually a scum-slip.

Now you're just reaching.

I think he got a scum PM based on the following sentences you quoted.

It's alignment indicative because he has tried to use that to make himself look like town, or that he has town-slipped, but I see it as a scum-slip.

PEdit - Beck, I have made that mistake before. Every time I read Scripten's questioning, it makes me want to scum-read him. Give him time to get into the game before you read him too hard.

How did I try to use it to make myself look town? My intention was to use the information I thought I had to lynch scum.

Also, BBT's handwaving and reluctance to immediately pounce on an admitted possible scumread, unlike what he's been doing to me, has been noted.

Mod has said dinosaur eating habits are not alignment indicative.

Then I was wrong.

OK, well I don't think I can explain it any better than I have already tried.

aka I have no actual reason besides this pile of bullshit.

Beck is being way too self-defensive and his vote on Scripten is super weak. If BBT flips scum, Beck dies next.

[Grib]

Eh, alright. I'll try ISOing him and see if I missed anything.

Did you ever actually do this?

[Grib]

Just BBT and a light scumread on Beck. Everyone else is varying degrees of town or null.

Speaking of which, does yungh0mo even exist in this game.

[Grib]

So now you are being dense on purpose, got it. Fine when I get to a computer I'll quote the posts I'm responding to, though iys quite obvious which ones I'm responding to.

Why is it that when starts to engage with you, you start creating a strawman? You're also being hypocritical here, calling him dense, but then throwing a fit when he says your play sucks.

You gave one example of how his posts don't seem to come from a town mindset. How about some more? Or do you think that the one reason you gave is damning enough?

Don't forget those quotes.

[Grib]

calling a spade a spade isn't insulting him.

This is horribly hypocritical. Period.

If he got offended then I'm sorry but I said I would respond to the rest of his post later. He had 3 other parts of his post left to respond to, and I numbered by posts 1, 2, 3 to corelate with his 3 remaining posts in order. He even acknowledged he knew what posts I was responding to in a future post, so he had no reason to ask me to quote his posts, he did that for effect.

I still answered you. I just asked you, politely, to quote your posts

in the future

so the conversation is easy to follow.

Is this what we're talking about?

I don't see a single protown thought or action in any of his posts.

Better now?

No. That's a strong statement that needs to be backed up or it will be dismissed.

[Grib]

That post is later clarified by the one I just posted, i.e., he was simply asking you to quote his responses in the future to make things more organized.

The whole Herbivores = town thing was a mistake. I happened to get a town role (green) and an Herbivore (also green in this game) and the flavor suggests I hate Omnivores and Carnivores so I made a leap of logic. Scripten isn't arguing that PM flavor is alignment indicative, he's arguing that he believes I derped.

It's just getting confusing now.

just know that when he flips scum you owe me an apology or something

I don't owe you anything, nor will I. I'll congratulate you on your call if he does ever flip scum this game, but that's about all you're gonna get.

[Grib]

PM. Obviously.

[Grib]

I do agree that this back and forth is unproductive. Scum is you and grib. This was a pretty easy game to figure out.

GG everyone

I changed my mind. Beck is town. Wrong, but town.

I want someone else to summarize why they think I'm lying, or what the supposed contradiction is, because this feels like a game of Telephone and I am not getting lynched because everyone has a different idea of what happened.

[Grib]

It doesn't say they're a threat, it says I hate them. I

perceived

them to be the threats against town, because I'm an Herbivore, and I'm town.

Get it?

[Grib]

Everyone's flavor should be unique, so I can't imagine comparing them is going to be super helpful.

[Grib]

Oh my God we get dinosaur facts.

Best game ever.

[Grib]

It's a light town-read if that makes you feel better.

Yeah, Grib is my top scum-read. I believe he scum-slipped pretty hard, I really do.

I take it you're planning to just votepark me until one of us dies, based on exactly one (1) piece of what you deem to be evidence.

You have still failed to explain why it's an outright scumslip and not a mistake irrelevant to alignment (which it likely is, I could be wrong but I don't know what a scum PM looks like, so).

[Grib]

Bzzt.

That's not an explanation.

[Grib]

If you're so bored, then die.

[Grib]

@Mathdino

I find it weird your first townread is insanity. She hasn't really done anything especially towny.

How am I "unnecessarily" tunneling? I want BBT dead, I've given my reasons why, and he is blatantly ignoring half of those reasons, lying, and reaching for bullshit evidence. He has one reason to scumread me and it sucks.

But I can come back to him later, since apparently town is blind.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Scripten

I will ride this wagon.

[Grib]

What read did you ever have? You nullslotted me and never looked back.

[Grib]

I can't wait.

[Grib]

Just curious, was it my naked vote that made you switch over to my wagon?

Not really.

In fact, it actually helped a little.

[Grib]

Bold statement.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BBT

Back to our regular program.

[Grib]

I have him and BBT as unaligned pairs.

Why are you asking easy questions?

[Grib]

248 doesn't make sense to me.

If you're not concerned with getting shot, why don't you want to claim? Why is it rolefishing if people want you to claim before deciding to lynch you? You either get lynched and flip town, get shot and flip town (in which case your power is moot) or live and are "revealed" or whatever as town. Because if you're not, you will be lynched.

Don't see how Beck is rolefishing here. Also love how you're capitalizing on BBT's idiot!tunnel without giving a fuck as to the reasons I have for him being wrong or scum.

[Grib]

Ahahahaha. Amazing.

I'm in class, should be at a computer in an hour.

[Grib]

Spoiler: replies to people

You could have been just jumping on because it looked like an easy wagon.

Do you think jumping onto what appears to be an easy wagon would be something I'd want to do as scum? Do you think I'd do something that would make literally every single townie look at me and think "wow, he must be jumping on an easy wagon"?

I have actual reasons, don't worry.

Aww cmon, follow through with bussing your partner. He's said nothing that deserves a stay of execution

Seriously, though, Scripten has a point. Why him over me if you think we're buddies?

Grib:

Why do you believe that BBT and myself are unaligned? Why would that affect your vote? Since you said my naked vote on Pine was small beans, walk me through the process of switching over to the wagon on me and then back to BBT, please?

UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: Grib

231 and 232. You're likely not knowingly aligned. I don't have a particularly strong read on you either way so I didn't really mind lynching you. If you were to flip scum, from my POV that would clear BBT and I could stop trying to kill him. Then you claimed you could prove your role/alignment, so I switched back to him.

That was my thought process to a T.

is rolefishing because he's operating on the idea that I'm at L-1, when I'm not. I'm placed him in my null slot because he would not tunnel me this hard if he were scum. BBT is a strange player, compared to the meta here. I am not scumreading him right now because of the way I've seen him play in other games, though. I'm actually not capitalizing on his tunnel on you. I was and am not scumreading you for the flavor discussion from before.

Could you answer my 262, please? It's kind of important.

Well, you were. Was it rolefishing then, or only now that you're out of L-1 range?

Yes, that is exactly what you are doing. You are taking advantage of his read on me and his reasons for doing so.

You said: "How about you come join me on the Grib wagon, instead? BBT will be here soon, too."
I interpreted that as" "How about you come join me on the Grib wagon, instead? The guy who's been mindlessly tunneling Grib will be here soon to back me up and I'm going to use that to my advantage."

The most suspect vote of the game so far. Where did this come from?

Grib, can you expand on 254 please?

Done.

Don't need to claim. I have verifiable proof that I'm town come Day 2, which will appear regardless of whether I die overnight or not. Only a very stupid town will lynch me today.

If I don't produce results tomorrow, lynch me then.

I'm not claiming my role and rendering it moot on Day 1, thanks.

Walk me through wy claiming is bad if you're going to be townfirmed literally regardless of whatever happens. Lynch or no lynch, NK or no NK, you will be town. Yes?

I played with someone who promised up and down he'd be townfirmed the following Day when it looked like he was about to get lynched. He ended up being a Vanilla Town who lied so he could survive. Amazingly, he made it to endgame and helped us win.

Point is, promises are usually bullshit. So I'm skeptical, but also willing to see it through because to completely ignore it would be dumb.

[Grib]

I should point out the only reason he didn't immediately get lynched after he revealed he was lying was because on that same Day there was a Cop guilty claim and it sort of drowned out the drama.

Fun times.

[Grib]

Try actually reading my posts, Pine. They aren't there to look pretty.

[Grib]

@Scripten
Because I wasn't really thinking about unaligned pairs until I saw those two posts. And it took a while for me to read Beck as town.

[Grib]

Is one Day really going to cost town the game?

[Grib]

@mod, what's the word on the turbolurker?

>>I am watching. I will take action when time comes. ty <<

[Grib]

Beck, you think I'm scum but won't vote for me? Is that your final answer?

Because I know at least three people who'd be happy to wagon me with you.

[Grib]

Wait, I'm not #1 anymore? Am I not good enough for you or something?

[Grib]

But that would be stupid.

[Grib]

If Scripten doesn't deliver toMorrow, we quicklynch him before he can try to weasel out of his promise. It's only D1, we are not going to lose if we mislynch toDay.

Stop it.

[Grib]

The majority of toDay has revolved around Beck being wrong and BBT being wrong.

I want BBT to die. I've given my reasons. If Scripten is not 100% townfirmed toMorrow, I want him to die as well, and fast. Do not listen to anything he says if he is not confirmed. I don't want Beck or Mathdino to die, even though Beck can't be bothered to switch on his brain. He probably shouldn't be around for endgame if he keeps tunneling people for dumb reasons, so that's something to consider. Everyone else is varying shades of lynchable.

That's really all I have to say about the gamestate.

[Grib]

Because letting confirmed scum (which you'd be if you're not confirmed town) stay alive is generally a bad thing.

[Grib]

It

is

fucking scummy because he claims he can prove it.

Why don't you get this.

[Grib]

Its not though, it town believes every soft claim, scum would never get lynched.

Irrelevant. Scripten is not going to coast on his softclaim alone, which you know but don't seem to care about it.

but scum HAVE gotten lynched while fake claiming that means town players exsist that share my opinion. Saying my opinion is scummy is factually wrong cause I have proved it wrong

Context is important, Beck. Your opinion in this specific scenario is scummy, and on top of that, objectively wrong. In fact it's so bad, I'm embarrassed to be townreading you.

The only thing I want proven is whether or not Scripten is a lying sack of garbage, which will be revealed toMorrow. Or not. Either way there will be no Scripten lynch toDay. You are wasting everyone's time with your bullshit. Votepark him if you want, just. Stop talking. Nobody is buying it.

(Note that if Beck does somehow flip scum, no, you will not get an apology, because your mindset is still completely wrong and I don't care for it.)

Can we get back to lynching BBT now? Or anyone, really? At this point I probably wouldn't even have the energy to fight a Grib lynch much, I've already posted all my thoughts.

[Grib]

(Note that if

Scripten

does somehow flip scum [...])

fixed dumb error

[Grib]

>stop trying to change my mind
>in a game of mafia

Whatever.

[Grib]

Like anyone's going to take your criticism.

[Grib]

Mathdino, I already gave reasons. Or maybe it was a reason, singular. Meh.

[Grib]

It's in the spoiler in 290.

Why wouldn't I quote myself when it's literally the answer you're looking for.

[Grib]

Beck, I'll spoiler when I feel like it. I don't like clogging pages.

Mathdino, since you're incapable of basic reading comprehension:

231 and 232. You're likely not knowingly aligned. I don't have a particularly strong read on you either way so I didn't really mind lynching you. If you were to flip scum, from my POV that would clear BBT and I could stop trying to kill him. Then you claimed you could prove your role/alignment, so I switched back to him.

That was my thought process to a T

[Grib]

I'm tempted to vote you just to shut you up.

[Grib]

Pointlessly tunneling on a PR who claimed a power with a confirmable result is phenomenally stupid. Crying that we're "policy lynching" you is just empty, useless noise I'd expect from a seven year old.

If no one unvotes within the next handful of posts then

I will hammer.

[Grib]

Hi Pine, start working on your scumreads for when I flip town. And then kill BBT, unless he's your buddy. In which case, better start bussing.

I have no idea what I'm at but I'm ready to claim whenever.

[Grib]

Also, I'm not eager to hammer. I'm eager for Beck to stop being dumb before he becomes a bigger liability.

But keep doubtcasting, it's cute.

[Grib]

Because it's obvious that I'm going to be toDay's lynch. Though for some reason a wagon spring up on Beck, for whatever reason.

Yes, it would, as you can clearly see. If we're going to mislynch, I'd much rather it be Beck than me but eh, I'm also pretty certain everyone's mind has been made up so it is what it is.

[Grib]

Wow that was a redundant sentence.

Please ignore me.

[Grib]

I'm still bewildered how nobody is paying attention to BBT. It's probably thanks to the Scripten/Beck Shitshow, but even with that, people have been like "yeah BBT could be scum idk? grib is probably scum because yeah" and are basically scratching their asses and staring off into the distance. Like seriously, what the fuck. Fix that.

[Grib]

It's exactly that because he's been coasting on that reason for literally the entire game. I asked him for other reasons and he failed to deliver anything.

Finn is lynchable but not my first choice.

[Grib]

Why does BBT's list of reasons I'm scum feel like it was thrown together really quickly with no actual thought behind points that I've already explained and that are easily refuted, half of which were made by other people he can't even bother to remember?

Oh, wait.

I'll provide an actual after my morning class.

[Grib]

*an actual post

[Grib]

I have two delicious cookies and a glass of milk. Let's do this.

Spoiler: wall of quotes

First off:

PEdit - He scum-slipped. Also, I agreed with Pine saying that he looked over-eager to hammer Beck and was seeking approval before he did so.

Still not reading my posts, and making up his own conclusions. What else is new.

Oh, and he's also using a scumread's reasoning to back up his explanation for voting me. In fact, he does this multiple times. So there's that.

Now, on to my favorite part: The Scum!Grib Wall of Disappointment.

Why Grib is scum;

24 - Set-up speculation. I find that scum like to speculate on set-up because they have that little bit more information than town and can manipulate town in this way.

Why is that scummy? It's a closed setup, town has less information, so the more we can learn about the setup, the better. Scum already know everything, sans town's PRs, so what's the harm in trying to get a feel for the game itself?

This is a nulltell at best, and that's being generous. Scummy? I don't think so.

240 - His vote on Scripten. He just jumped wagons with no reasoning at all other than 'I'll wait for everyone else to think BBT is scum'

A blatant lie. Either attack the post with the reasoning I provided (and referred to multiple times, most recently at Mathdino) or give it up.

254 - Somebody pointed this out but I can't remember who it was. He states he thinks me and Scripten are 'unaligned pairs'. Reeks of inside information.

Pine (one of your scumreads, hi hello) said that. Why does it reek of inside information? Do you disagree with my reasoning? Are you reading my posts? Are you scum? I think you're scum. Please die.

528 - The intent to hammer. The last sentence is worded weirdly and doesn't sit right with me. Usually, people state intent to hammer and the person who is going to be hammered has time to respond and everyone else has time to react to that response. Grib merely gives people a 'handful of posts' before he plans on hammering.

Not gonna lie, Beck's play is fucking annoying, and if I live to see toMorrow I don't want to have to deal with Round 2 of his shit tunnel on someone else, but he's likely town and the people who brought his wagon to L-1 needed to be poked. So I threatened to hammer. I'd do it again. In hindsight, I admit I was thinking "if the lynch is between me and him, welp, sucks to suck." It was a moment of weakness.

537 - This was pointed out by somebody else as well. He looks like he wants to hammer Beck to 'shut him up' and because he wants him to 'stop being dumb'.

Yes, that's exactly what happened. What of it? I didn't kill him.

If you look at Grib's ISO, he has done very little scum-hunting. He has either tunneled on me or he has been arguing with Beck. He hasn't engaged with many other people unless they have initiated the conversation.

If you look at BBT's ISO, you'll notice he has done very little scumhunting, preferring to votepark someone for one (1) very stupid reason, and pretend to have other scumreads, with whom he'll eventually agree with in order to justify his vote on the singular bad scumread he has.

Please.

same with the wagonhopping; that's very much not a scumtell.

He gave no reasoning for his switch. He also showed no previous inclination of scum-reading Scripten.

You don't find that suspicious?

Do you make a habit of not reading someone's posts once you decide they're scum? I'm just asking.

Grib's eagerness to hammer is VERY scummy.

I disagree with this. IMO he was simply stating his intent to hammer. This lets everyone know the hammer is coming and if you have changed your mind then leave the wagon. It allows us collectively to agree whether to go ahead with the lynch.

Stop putting words in his mouth. That is not actually what he said, and intentions are everything

Finn isn't putting words in my mouth. Like. That's exactly what happened. That is, in fact, objectively what happened. There is nothing to argue here. I stated intent to hammer in order to let people know the hammer is coming so they could unvote Beck. Those are the words I used. Look, I'll even quote it, just for you:

Pointlessly tunneling on a PR who claimed a power with a confirmable result is phenomenally stupid. Crying that we're "policy lynching" you is just empty, useless noise I'd expect from a seven year old.

If no one unvotes within the next handful of posts then

I will hammer.

Finn hasn't done anything scummy here in this post and your attack on him for it is awful.

tl;dr BBT is scum. Let's lynch him.

[Grib]

Also, I forget where it was mentioned -- I think it was Majiffy? -- but him SK speculating isn't that bad, given that there was a small discussion about it within the first few pages. So I'm not counting that against him.

[Grib]

Let's add "raging hypocrite" to the list of reasons why BBT is scum, feat. Beck.

Spoiler: whee

I don't really have an opinion on Beck yet.

Town

-> Scripten,

Beck

, Insanity

Null -> Finn, Math, Yung

Scum -> Grib, Pine

In order. So Finn is closer to town and Yung closer to scum. Math a true null.

It looks like a real vote disguised under RVS.

Scripten and Beck were going at it pretty hard and it looks like he chose a side and tried to disguise it under the reasoning of RVS. Given I feel

Scripten vs Beck is town vs town

, he doesn't care what side he chooses if he is scum.

I just don't like the vote. I also don't like that I've had to explain my reasoning for trying to engage Yung because now he has a better idea of how to answer me and what direction I was coming from.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Beck

Beck is anti-town at the very, very best and scummy at worst.

I just don't understand his approach in this game and I've had enough now.

Let's look at what's happening Scripten. Let's strip it down to the basics.

Beck wants to lynch you. He knows there is a chance you're a PR. He decides to go ahead and keep pushing your lynch anyway.

No matter how you look at that, it's scummy behaviour and it's scum-motivated.

I haven't made my scum-read obvious enough?

Right now it's;

Most scummy -> Beck, Grib, Majiffy <- least scummy.

Beck is scummier than Grib Scripten.

Join the Beck wagon please.

And then my absolute favorite part:

537 - This was pointed out by somebody else as well. He looks like he wants to hammer Beck to 'shut him up' and because he wants him to 'stop being dumb'.

BBT wants to lynch Beck because he's antitown. I want to lynch Beck because he's antitown (and distracting and fatally stubborn). And my reasons are somehow scummier?

[Grib]

Link to an example game, please?

[Grib]

Okay, sure, I'm ready for Round 2.

Spoiler: BBT responses

I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you saying that because I am scum-reading someone that everything they say is wrong and irrelevant? Are you saying that because I think he is scum, I must be right, and therefore he cannot make any good points/provide good arguments?

Because if that's not what you're saying, I'd like to know what you actually mean. If that is what you're saying, I hope you can see the mistakes you're making.

I'm saying you should, at the very least, take what they say with a grain of salt. You don't have any paranoia in regards to that, because your scumread on Pine is a complete fabrication.

I told you why it was scummy. Scum usually know a little but more about the set-up than town. Therefore, scum can manipulate town into certain ways of thinking.

...

That's the game. What the hell is "usually?" Scum always know more. Does that mean setup speculation is always scummy?

Show me where you scum-read Scripten before 240.

Who said I scumread him? Ever? I certainly didn't say that. What I did say is that I didn't have a strong read on him one way or the other and wouldn't have minded lynching him in case it cleared you. I already wrote the post, I'm not going to sit here and read it to you.

It's a great way for scum to line up lynches. 'Hey, BBT and Scripten are opposite alignments. Let's lynch BBT; BBT flips town, ohhhhh it must be Scripten, let's lynch Scripten; Scripten flips 'town'.' Scum have 2 lynches done and dusted. Scummy.

But Scripten has a provable role (or so he says). So that point doesn't really work here.

And you're not necessarily opposite alignments. I just believe you're not knowingly on the same team.

How does you threatening to hammer 'poke' at the people on the wagon? That doesn't make sense.

It pokes everyone, really, but especially the people on the wagon, because they need to decide whether or not they really want to lynch the person they're voting for.

You were going to [lynch Beck]. The intention was there, it was scummy.

Hey guys, who can tell me what's wrong with the above sentence? Hint: 585.

Pretty sure somebody (Scripten?) accused me of having 'too many' scum-reads. But yeah, you're right, I'm not scum-hunting. At all.

Thank you for admitting it.

I don't get 585 at all.

It's okay, we can walk through it together.

You have quoted me saying Beck is scummy. And I voted him.

Yes.

You wanted to vote him because 'he was dumb' and you wanted to 'shut him up'.

Yes.

What am I missing here?

You voted a townread because he was being antitown, not because you think he's scum (although if you think he actually is, feel free to say so, with reasons besides "antitown"). I threatened to hammer him for the same reason. This is one of the reasons you're scumreading me, and it's bullshit. That's what 585 is all about.

Beck is anti-town at the

very, very best

and scummy at worst.

I just don't understand his approach in this game and I've had enough now.

OK, so this is the post we're going to focus on? Despite me stating numerous times that I found Beck scummy. OK.

Please note the bold. Tell me what you think that implies. If you can't infer what it means, I'll tell you.

We're focusing on a lot of scummy shit you've done. This is but one cog in the machine.

Do you think he's scum? Take a stance, you little scumbag.

Wow.

It was the same issue, correct. I said I found you scummy, Grib said he found you dumb. I don't know what else I can say.

I'm being scum-read for my read changing on Beck? That's insane. Reads change all the time. There is a thought progression in all of my posts, read through my posts in context instead of just my ISO and it's clear to see.

I'll ask again, for emphasis, because I know you need a little push to actually get things done.

Is Beck scum? Why or why not?

For the record, you did state at one point that Beck was scummier than me, despite my supposed scumslip. I don't know how anyone can be scummier than what you perceive to be confirmed scum, but maybe that's just me.

[Grib]

I'm surprised no one is really posting.

[Grib]

Nah, he made good points. Regardless of whether I think he is scum or not, he made good points.

Do you still think he's scum?

Ding, ding, ding! You're catching on!

lol no

Difference of opinion, moving on.

Well, you see, unless I'm at deadline I don't like to lynch people because I 'don't have a read on them'.

You had a scum-read on me, therefore, that's where your vote should have stayed.

It was an opportunistic vote and a great point to jump on the wagon.

You're allowed to not like the things I do.

re: the bolded red, more hypocrisy. I scumslipped, remember? Your vote never should have moved to Beck. Especially since you never actually called him scum until this post, but only after you decided he's town again.

Sorry about the formatting of this post, uni computers are so bad. The spoiler below is my thoughts on Beck at the time of voting him, tell me if you think I thought he was scummy. I mean, I think it's pretty clear, but whatever, have a look yourself.

I notice you never actually call Beck scum. Ever. It's always scummy or antitown.

DO I think Beck is scum now? Well, I thought I had made that obvious enough as well. No, I do not think Beck is scum after his VT claim.

Did you ever think he was scum, or just antitown? The way you worded this sentence feels like you're trying to answer the question as carefully as possible.

That said, the way Grib presents his case has cast some doubt on my scum read. It's a fairly well-made case, if not one I can get behind, and it seems to come from a town mindset.

Grib:

Can you give me a read on Finnlaw? I'm curious as to what you think of his play at this point in the game.

I'm going to second Mathdino's what post. What? You don't like the wagon but you can get behind it? What?

As for Finn, I'm okay with him not dying. That's all I have to say about him for the time being.

[Grib]

Oops, forgot this part.

I know I'm campaigning for a meta defense on someone whose sig says to "Stop relying on meta," but I've played with BBT as town and on a scum team with him. When he's town, his reads are all over the place, swinging from town to scum all game. When he's scum, he's much less organic and a lot more consistent. He tunnels pretty hard in either case, including when he's an investigative role like cop. It's a playstyle thing. Granted, I may be wrong about his play in this particular game, as being aware of one's meta is the surest way to subvert it, but I don't think that the case on him is strong enough to justify his lynch.

Put a town!BBT case together that doesn't rely on meta, please? Look at his posts this game and tell me what you see. Because if meta is going to be your sole reason, then I don't care enough to lynch elsewhere.

If you think I'm town and the BBT wagon doesn't float your boat, who do you want to lynch?

[Grib]

Right before this game, I was in another micro with Finn (hosted by the same mod and everything). It was a pretty quick game -- town lynched scum D1, and the Tracker (Finn) caught the other one overNight. I had Finn as a townread because

his

top townread was the scum who got lynched D1, and Finn doesn't seem to be the type of person to spotlight a buddy like that.

Anyway.

Finn feels like a very hang-out-on-the-sidelines kind of guy on the whole and if we're both still alive toMorrow I'll look into him more.

[Grib]

Spoiler: ...

I really don't like this wagon on BBT.
[...]
That said, the way Grib presents his case has cast some doubt on my scum read. It's a fairly well-made case, if not one I can get behind, and it seems to come from a town mindset.

Wait... what?

I'm going to second Mathdino's what post. What? You don't like the wagon but you can get behind it? What?

I'm going to second Mathdino's what post. What? You don't like the wagon but you can get behind it? What?

I told y'all he's scum

Guys. Reading comprehension. I said that I did not agree with Grib's case, but that it appeared to come from a town mindset. Do you not understand how that works?

Getting to other stuff in a bit.

It sounds more like you agree with my case, but don't want to because meta.

[Grib]

Majiffy might be scum.

[Grib]

He's not doing

anything

. And when he does, it's not really relevant to the current discussion. Which is the exact opposite of how he should be acting, especially since his slot did literally nothing.

Hell, he's talked straight to the mod twice, and to most of the players zero times.

[Grib]

Are you happier with a BBT lynch or a Majiffy lynch? I'd honestly be happier with a Majiffy lynch atm. There's pretty much nothing supporting that slot being town.

Are you trying to

appease

me? Do you realize that if it weren't for your softclaim, at this point I'd probably be leading a lynchwagon straight into your face? The way you're clinging to meta and trying to redirect the BBT wagon is raising flags.

I want BBT and Majiffy dead. Along with Pine. Maybe. Depends on if he ever returns.

Dear god Scripten you better have a good reason you're town tomorrow because in your BBT votepost I had a real flash of "Oh shit he IS scum".

Yeah I think at this point I could get behind a Majiffy wagon. You'd think he'd say

something

about the wagons at hand. The SK hunting seems like it could be a nice excuse to mudsling some more.

That said I'm probably still happier with a BBT lynch, partially because it gives us more flip info. Majiffy's slot if town is just lynchbait. Might as well poll people.

Pine, Finn, BBT, insanity, thoughts on a Majiffy wagon?

I keep getting violent flashes of "Scripten is scum, isn't he, fuck Beck for being right" but then I try to calm myself. It's okay, Grib, everything will be clear toMorrow, just relax.

Also yeah good point about lynchbait. We can kill him later.

[Grib]

I'm trying to move onto a lynch that doesn't give me so many conflicting feelings. BBT's playstyle is scummy, simple as that. I can't control that, but I can try to keep us from lynching town as best I can. Majiffy's slot has been useless, so I'd be happier with his lynch.

And frankly, I just don't give a fuck how town people think I am in this game. My role can be confirmed, so I really just don't care. I'm tired and I have a massive multivariate calculus exam tomorrow that I'm studying for so I don't fail it. Forgive me being a little distracted.

Look.

He can't rely on you to meta-save him every game. If he doesn't town it up, he gets lynched. Sucks for him. I think he's scum, and I really don't want him riding the "oh that's just how he plays as either alignment" pony to endgame. It's a shitty reason and we all know it.

Town!BBT case or he dies.

The case is fine. I just have experience playing with BBT and realize that everything in that case is part of how he plays as town. Tunneling and hypocrisy/wildly swinging reads included. All I have is meta and a gut feeling. And BBT isn't even here to defend himself. (Though that isn't his fault.)

?

Hypocrisy isn't usually a part of BBT's meta, either as scum or town, [...].

[Grib]

It's hypocritical because we both wanted to lynch Beck at some point, but he's calling me scum for it.

Scripten, if you think he is town, make a case. If you can't, it's probably because he isn't town. This isn't difficult.

[Grib]

It's hypocritical because we both wanted to lynch Beck

for the same reasons

at some point, but he's calling me scum for it.

Scripten, if you think he is town, make a case. If you can't, it's probably because he isn't town. This isn't difficult.

Blah, fixed.

BBT claims he doesn't understand by reasoning (calling Beck dumb) when. It's very clear I wanted to lynch him for antitown shenanigans. Like. I had a post about how tunneling a provable town PR is really, really stupid. There is no ambiguity there.

[Grib]

*my, not by

typing mistakes make me upset okay

[Grib]

Spoiler: BBT stuff

Pine is still scum yeah.

Neat.

If I don't feel like your lynch is achievable, due to other people's reads/actions, then I have to move on to find your buddy. I'm not gonna sit and endlessly tunnel on the same point if nobody agrees with me. I have to wait for the rest of town to catch up and realize you're scum.

My lynch isn’t achievable because I’m town and you are not going to mislynch me. I’m waiting for town to wake up and lynch you, but now everyone’s drawn to the lynchbait slot because they’re all too afraid of the possibility of mislynching you. Even though there's a fair chance Majiffy is just bad!town.

I don't think I have ever encountered this problem before. If I state that someone is scummy over and over, you can safely assume that I think they're scum.

It kinda depends on the player. I don’t know you, so it was something worth mentioning.

That’s actually not a good assumption. Town wants to lynch scum -- scum want to lynch scummy players.

I quoted a lot of my posts that I feel clarifies my position on the matter.

See, you’re doing it again. Attempting to answer the question but also dodging it. I’m looking for a simple, concrete yes or no. Why is that so difficult for you?

Scum-reading people on associations without the relevant information is bad. You should stop doing that.

No thanks.

I'm going to lose my fucking shit over this soon.

You said Beck was anti-town and wanted to lynch him for being dumb and to shut him up.

I said Beck was scummy and I wanted to lynch him for being scummy.

There is a gigantic difference in those statements.

I'm honestly stunned at what is going on right now

No, there isn’t. Don’t pretend one of your reasons for wanting to lynch him wasn’t “antitown.”

I called Beck dumb and wanted to shut him up

because

he’s being antitown. You cannot be this dense.

I saw that Majiffy replaced Yung and was like 'Yeah, let's lynch Majiffy'.

But now I don't want to. Other than the set up spec about SK, I'm not sure why people think Majiffy is scum?

He could certainly contribute more yeah, but I don't see how that makes him scum. To steal a quote from someone's sig 'Effort is not indicative of alignment'

I would much rather lynch Grib or Pine. Maybe Finn if he doesn't stop parroting.

Those wagons aren’t happening. It’s you or Majiffy.

Don’t even talk to me about sig quoting. (Looking at you, Scripten.)

This meta defense is really grating.

I'll compromise on a Majiffy lynch if everyone's

so

against lynching obvious scum.

[Grib]

That's actually a retarded statement to make. Seriously.

It actually isn’t, but we can save that discussion for later if you feel so strongly about it.

It's you who is being dense. I said Beck was scum, multiple times, you said he was anti-town. I did not say he was anti-town.

The only time I even remotely referred to Beck as town during that time is when I said 'Beck is anti-town at the very, very best and scummy at worst'. That means, if I gave Beck extreme leeway, (hence the very, very best section of that statement) I could see him being town in the absolute best of light. Otherwise, he was scum.

I will concede here – that was the only time you called him antitown.

My oh my, you seem extremely confident up there on your pedestal. Feel like you're in control of this game do you?

I wouldn’t go that far. I’m feeling pretty influential.

No, there isn’t. Don’t pretend one of your reasons for wanting to lynch him wasn’t “antitown.”

I called Beck dumb and wanted to shut him up

because

he’s being antitown. You cannot be this dense.

Wait.

Clarify this for me. Did you think Beck was scum when you voted him? Please just yes or no.

No.

Also I never voted him.

BBT and Grib:

Define exactly what you believe "anti-town" means, please? As in, one sentence, simply what it is and what alignment it is a subset of.

Same: town playing against their wincon is antitown.

I consider tunneling a provable town PR antitown.

fake edit: this post is very relevant.

Pointlessly tunneling on a PR who claimed a power with a confirmable result is phenomenally stupid. Crying that we're "policy lynching" you is just empty, useless noise I'd expect from a seven year old.

If no one unvotes within the next handful of posts then

I will hammer.

[Grib]

No, it doesn't. A lot of my case is being handwaved as "BBT plays that way as either alignment."

[Grib]

Grib's charge on BBT comes off as incredibly self-serving.

Meaning?

Personally, when I'm Town about to get mislynched, I try to provide reads and cases on everyone, so my private thoughts don't die with me.

Okay. If I am definitely 100% toDay's lynch, I'll spill reads.

As scum, however, I'm far more likely to pick the weakest player I can find, and offer them up as an alternative.

Do you think BBT is a weak player?

The Yaruwhatever/Majiffy slot hasn't produced anything of value aside from SK hunting. I wouldn't be sad to see a lynch there. I can't help but worry that it's an easy counterwagon to the scum-rich BBT/Grib push

That's why I'd rather kill BBT first.

I kind of also want BBT and Grib to shut the fuck up. We get it. The other guy's scum. Let us sort out which of you is, or whether you're powerbussing

Eat a dick. I'll shut up when one of us is dead or he's confirmed town.

[Grib]

Yes.

For extra clarification: I play mafia on another site, where "scummy" and "antitown" are used interchangeably. In my mind, they are drastically different from calling someone scum. Scum is an alignment; scummy is not. Scum can be towny, just as town can be scummy. BBT thinks that calling someone scummy = scum, whereas I interpreted it as him pushing for a lynch on a scummy townsperson.

I threatened to hammer because, frankly, Beck shouldn't have been at L-1 in the first place. Would I have actually hammered him? Probably not. I can't remember when this thing occurred, someone can check if they feel like it, but there was still plenty of time before deadline. I'm not gonna cut the Day short over antitown shenanigans. If the lynch were between him and me, would I hammer him? Definitely. I believe he's town but I'm not 100% sure of his alignment, unlike mine.

Please keep in mind that I've been focusing on BBT, and if I were scum, I could have very easily switched over to Majiffy's wagon to ensure my survival into toMorrow instead of risking people siding with BBT against me, which I can feel happening like an approaching storm.

@mod: I'm probably gonna post a little less until Tuesday because of essays and tests and work and club stuff.

oog: happy halloween friends

[Grib]

He disagreed pretty strongly with how I perceived his wording, so probably.

I'm not scum. I want to lynch him, but I feel like he's just an easy counterwagon.

I feel like people are going to switch sides because of the damn meta defense. All I want is for people to go through the game and point out where town!BBT shines through. I literally can't fight meta.

[Grib]

I've told you like a thousand times to read my posts. It's the one I ended with "tl;dr BBT is scum. Let's lynch him." CtrlF my ISO.

Just because you responded to my points doesn't mean I liked the answers.

[Grib]

- You are pursuing me because of a slip that wasn't even a slip.
- You never did give a reason why what I did could only have come from scum. My slip is the basis for your entire case, and I want you to back it up with concrete statements/assertions or to just give it up. "I believe" doesn't cut it.
- You don't read my posts. May not be alignment indicative but it's not really doing you any favors. It's incredibly annoying when you attack me for something I did not do or have already explained.
- You aren't displaying paranoia about your scumread's reasons for wanting to lynch me. You're too eager to get me mislynched to even care.
- No one is actually capable of defending you based on content produced this game. Not necessarily your fault, but it appears to me that they can't do it because you aren't town. I am 100% open to a town!you case, but no, it's meta this and he does this all the time that. You are not going to ride that excuse to endgame for as long as I'm alive.

That's all I've got from the top of my head. Phoneposting, it's a busy weekend.

[Grib]

Wow.

BBT, nothing you do in this game will make you 100% scum aside from a scumslip. I find your play to be very scummy as a whole and I think you are scum and I want you to die.

Your turn to do a short scum!Grib post, so I can just look at it and say "lol but none of those things makes me scum tho."

[Grib]

Because I keep telling you why it's stupid and you seem to be completely ignoring my explanation. Like, you didn't even try to say it was a lie. You just flat it kept spewing what you think happened.

From your POV, I thought all town were Herbivores because of the green text in the OP. Yes?

What really happened is I assumed Carnivores and Omnivores were scum because my flavor implies they are threats to me, and I'm town. And yes, the green didn't really do anything to make me think I was mistaking. But it wasn't the reason I said what I said.

That's the part of your case I want you to respond to. The part where I explained, yet again, why you are 100% wrong.

[Grib]

Respond to my fucking explanation. It's been thirty pages. Do it now.

[Grib]

See, I could do that too. Argue that you won't answer me because you can't.

Can you? I've been asking for this since the beginning of the game.

[Grib]

You're right, this is fucking annoying.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Majiffy

I officially stop giving a shit about BBT until toMorrow, provided he doesn't shoot me toNight.

[Grib]

Actually, I'm in "let's lynch BBT, but I guess Majiffy will do if everyone's too indecisive to go for BBT" mode.

Also, I just remembered: Pine/Finn are another nka (not knowingly aligned) pair.

[Grib]

I kind of also want BBT and Grib to shut the fuck up. We get it. The other guy's scum. Let us sort out which of you is, or whether you're powerbussing

You're right, this is fucking annoying.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Majiffy

I officially stop giving a shit about BBT until toMorrow, provided he doesn't shoot me toNight.

^dat scumpost

Like I said, Grib's in "anyone but me" mode. I don't feel inclined to oblige

No good deed goes unpunished.

[Grib]

Let's see.

Pine (rather dramatically) decided I "lost all towncred" after my unaligned players post instead of just asking me about it, stated that BBT was scummier than me but voted for me anyways because there wasn't any support for the BBT wagon, has continued to push for my lynch while saying absolutely nothing about

my

push on BBT besides whining about how annoying we are (even though the BBT wagon gained plenty of support), and attacked Finn with really shitty reasoning (the reason I believe they're nka).

Pine, explain to me why the above isn't scummy.

[Grib]

Oh, can't forget "asks BBT and I to stop bitching at each other, and calls me scum when I back off."

[Grib]

Hey Mathdino, isn't sparring with BBT all kinds of fun?

[Grib]

Wait, so when BBT is asked by two people to give reasons why I'm scum, he suddenly decides he might have been wrong about me? And how the fuck is he reading Majiffy as townier than me? That is so blatantly fake I might break something.

Augh.

God I want to respond so badly. But alas, I have no shits left to give.

[Grib]

Majiffy, if you're too busy to post, it's common courtesy to let us know. And not just as we're about to lynch you.

Pine, answer my question.

[Grib]

If I were paying any attention to BBT, I imagine I'd say something along the lines of:

Hey BBT, I thought Beck was town because scum wouldn't claim VT in this setup.

[Grib]

BBT, you complete me.

We should lynch Pine together.

[Grib]

What makes Mathdino's vote on you based on my reasoning any worse than Scripten's?

I'm only asking because I refuse to skim the thread on my phone.

[Grib]

I think there's a chance Pine may be scum. I asked him some questions to explore this possibility, and he ignored them.

[Grib]

Scripten is not conftown until toMorrow. Don't get ahead of yourself.

[Grib]

Actually, you posted twice after I asked you that question.

I just want you to explain to me why your actions aren't scummy, because that is how I am seeing them. Dismissing me because you think I'm scum is a no-no.

[Grib]

Oh, I missed this.

He isn't?

No, he isn't. He has a provable role, but he can't provide results until toMorrow. We're 100% not lynching him toDay. That doesn't mean he's townfirmed yet.

[Grib]

BBT, summarize why Mathdino's vote was scummy. Just a couple points. Or at least specific posts. Your ISO is a mess to navigate.

Pine, I said I stopped giving a shit about BBT. You obviously read that post, because you called me scum for it. I did not mention BBT at all when I asked you my question. Try again.

You only answered some of the points I raised, specifically why you failed to do anything about your BBT scumread. There were other words in that post.

[Grib]

When I say I didn't mention BBT, I mean the post wasn't directed at him.

[Grib]

Majiffy is more interested in snarking at people than playing the game.

Lynch it.

[Grib]

BBT, you wanted to call me scum for something I saw us both doing. That's part of my case. You wanted to lynch Beck for being scummy without calling him scum, and I wanted to lynch him for being antitown (though the threat was mostly a scare tactic. I think we'd all be lying if we said we didn't want to lynch Beck out of frustration). I explained why I consider those reasons to be very similar. You think it's stupid, fine, whatever. On another site people get called out for calling someone scummy but not scum so I did the same to you here.

So I disagree on a Mathdino lynch.

Majiffy, slurs? Really?

[Grib]

People here usually call their scumreads scum before it becomes a noticeable trend. You're the first person I've called out on it because it seemed like you were avoiding the word.

How I play on other sites affects how I play here, believe it or not.

[Grib]

Pine, I didn't abandon it. I pushed it to L-1

after

you voted me, in the same post where you complained about the BBT wagon being quiet (496). There was plenty of support for the wagon then. You never stayed on him because you were voting for me. I've been pushing him all game. Implying that I'm only flailing against him now is a flat-out lie.

And why did you even attack Finn before? That's still a question you're avoiding. Be a good little boy and explain yourself.

[Grib]

Very end of the spoiler in 583.

[Grib]

Majiffy, how about you explain your reads to town as a whole.

[Grib]

Majiffy, how about you explain your reads to town as a whole.

Meh. That's a lot of effort and considering I'm up for lynch, I really don't feel like putting it in.

You're allowed to be brief. Brief would probably be better because the last xyz pages have been a headache.

[Grib]

Very end of the spoiler in 583.

Are you shitting me?
1) No one actually reads your (or anyone's) spoilered quote walls. See that on Scripten just posted? Wasted effort, and I think he's the Towniest person in this game, except maybe Beck and Mathdino okay they're all really Townie
2) That was crazy mild. I told him not to put words in peoples' mouths, not OMG SCUM DIE SCUM
3) Stop acting like a spoiled child when people don't respond in epic detail to your every inane question. I don't have time in my busy busy day
4) You're trying to build cases out of absolute shit. It's hard to take anything you say seriously when you constantly vomit out nonsense

1) That's your issue. I do it to save people from having to scroll a ton. If I posted regular walls, you'd just wine about those too. Cry some more.
2) It was random and total BS. I didn't say it was OMG SCUM DIE SCUM, just something I wanted clarified.
3) Frankly, I don't think asking you to respond to something I thought you missed and something I considered scummy is me being spoiled. Please, call me more names, it's fun and is totally convincing me how town you are.
4) I'm asking you questions to see if you're scum, not finalizing your death warrant. Calm down before you pop a vessel.

Pine, I'm trying to understand why you do the things you do. If yelling at me and calling me names and being a total dick are towntells for you, you're doing great.

You're allowed to be brief. Brief would probably be better because the last xyz pages have been a headache.

Do you think I'm town? Do you think I'm scum? Who are you going to lynch when I flip town?

I don't really have a townread on you. If you flip town, I'm going to murder BBT and probably Pine (his reactions to my pressure on him are astronomically bad and I'd like to push that some more). I'll likely die before one or both of them because everyone wants to lynch the person to their right, but eh.

[Grib]

Wait...so if Majiffy flips Town, Grib will want to lynch me for saying the case on him is bullshit?

Does not compute

That is exactly the reason I want to lynch you. I'd say A+ reading comprehension, but you skim my posts so I think a D+ would be more fitting.

But really though, I just want to continue exploring a scum!Pine world and see how quickly it gets me killed.

oog: for some reason my phone can't access mafiascum? At first it wouldn't load forum sites period, then I restarted it and now they all work except mafiascum. So yeah that's fun.

[Grib]

Because Beck is Town and you're wrong

At least we agree on something. <3

[Grib]

Holy shit.

Waiting for Grib to post, but I think I've figured this out.

Scripten, was this ever anything you intended to elaborate on? insanity asked for clarification and I don't think you ever brought it up again.

[Grib]

Yes, it's very amusing in hindsight.

[Grib]

Oh, right, I promised to stop trying to make jokes in this thread, didn't I? Apologies, that was just humor.

Don't worry, I laughed.

[Grib]

I dunno. Liverpool, UK could totally be in America.

[Grib]

I'd rather we not lynch either of you. I'm right there. Flashwagon on me gogogo

Fixed.

[Grib]

Four people. Four different people brought to L-1 on D1. God.

[Grib]

To be fair, I kind of feel the same way about you, Scripten. Even so, it's not really something I want to touch toDay because wine and paranoia make for bad decisions.

[Grib]

V/LA is over. Yay.

Also hi ffery.

[Grib]

I've only expressed interest in lynching BBt, Majiffy, and Pine. Is that too many for your liking?

[Grib]

Finally.

Good-fucking-Night.

[Grib]

Finally.

Good-fucking-Night.

Look at this shit. you were here, reading along the whole way.

Yes. Forgive me for not joining you in drunkposting. Alcohol tastes like shit.

[Grib]

Finally.

Good-fucking-Night.

Look at this shit. you were here, reading along the whole way.

Yes. Forgive me for not joining you in drunkposting. Alcohol tastes like shit.

The drunkposting lasted about 10 minutes. If that.

My observation stands. You were reading along, there was plenty of game-relevant stuff being posted, and your only post was basically a high five after majiffy self-hammered.

I literally could not give less of a fuck about toDay. Fingers crossed the scumteam shoots me.

If not, I'll go back and actually see what you and Majiffy posted.

[Grib]

Hm, Insanity was a good player, but I was definitely expecting someone else to get NK'd.

VOTE: Grib

Hi Grib. You are my first choice for scum. Explain to me why you just sat back over the course of the end of D1 rather than trying to solve the game.

I sat back because BBT was being a complete pain in my ass and I wanted a break.

Anyway.

Majiffy r yungh0mo
insanity018
Grib

Scripten
Beck

fferyllt r FinnLaw
Mathdino

BlueBloodedToffee
Pine

As long as Scripten/Beck haven't completely duped us (which I doubt, if Scripten is what I think he is), lynching in the bottom four will win town the game. I'm gonna go through dead interactions tonight after work.

[Grib]

Given there's a wagon forming on me and BBT is backing off, I'll say he's town for toDay.

The Lynch Pool to Victory is now [fferyllt, Mathdino, Pine].

[Grib]

I'm just trying to keep things simple for the moment.

[Grib]

@fferyllt
Oh, right. You replaced Finn. That makes this easier.

VOTE: Mathdino

[Grib]

It's solely PoE, at least for now.

[Grib]

The scumteam is Mathdino and one of [Pine, fferyllt]. This is assuming there are no third parties.

I'm town. Scripten is likely town based on his role. Beck is probably town based on D1 and almost getting himself lynched multiple times. BBT is likely town for not capitalizing on my wagon, despite me being on everyone's lynch list -- he was after me all yesterDay, and if he voted me toDay, nobody would even blink. Easy mislynch for him.

And since I believe fferyllt and Pine are nka, that leaves Mathdino. If I'm lynched toDay, focus on those three.

Discuss. I want everyone to be as clear and straightforward as possible toDay.

[Grib]

Not knowingly aligned, sorry.

[Grib]

boop

Lynch Mathdino.

unboop

[Grib]

I think I'm actually more confident on BBT being town than Beck at this point, but I do still think Beck is town.

My preferred lynch order would be Mathdino > Pine > fferyllt > Beck > BBT > Scripten.

[Grib]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. PoE. Read 1240 until you can successfully process it.

Everyone besides those three are town to me. BBT not wanting to lynch me anymore, even though that would be the viable strategy for him as scum, is what sealed the townread for me.

I don't believe you and fferyllt are scum together, so that leaves Mathdino as the only available partner. So I want him lynched first.

[Grib]

Being confident isn't scummy, and it's better than being indecisive.

My vote will not be moving toDay.

[Grib]

Oh, it's possible that fferyllt/Pine is the scumteam. I just don't think so. But I'm open to cases.

I'm not leaving BBT alone for townreading me, full stop -- I'm leaving him alone for townreading me when it would be so much easier and less noticeable if he were to continue to push my lynch. He risks getting lynched for this sudden 180 when people would likely not think it odd if he were to keep up with his tunnel of me. Don't leave out the important part, please.

[Grib]

Mathdino, is Pine your buddy?

[Grib]

Interesting. All I was looking for was a simple yes or no.

[Grib]

Let me make that more specific: I was looking for a negative answer. You could have said "I'm not scum."

That's okay, though. Everything's okay.

[Grib]

Shh. I'm trying to think.

[Grib]

No reaction test here, Scripten. The original post was just a spontaneous question. I've made it clear whom I want to lynch, and until the Day ends that's all I really have to say.

Pine, spend your evening with me. Tell me I'm the most beautiful townsperson this game has ever seen.

[Grib]

Or we could lynch Mathdino. Maybe Pine.

[Grib]

Oh my god, this is getting ridiculous. Please lynch me and go after Mathdino, Pine, and fferyllt toMorrow, in that order. I can't stand being on everyone's want-to-lynch list with absolute fuck-all happening. The scumteam is obviously going to wait to deadline!vote me because "information! also he's the only lynch achievable toDay FOR SOME MYSTERIOUS REASON."

I'm not going to self vote, but if nobody wants to listen to me, then let's get this over with. My wagon should be fun to analyze.

[Grib]

You understand that if people want to lynch me, they should be fucking trying to lynch me. I refuse to be a lazy deadline!lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pine

Should be L-2 or whatever.

[Grib]

Who else was voting him? I thought it was you, me, and Mathdino, according to the most recent votecount.

[Grib]

Oh.

Math is hard.

[Grib]

Let's hope we're right on this.

This phrase really rubs me wrong

Why do people only start giving a shit about my lynch targets once I've moved on to someone else.

Seriously. Why.

[Grib]

It's hard to interact when half of the playerbase is lurking.

[Grib]

Happy birthday Scripten! No scum here, you'll have to settle for my eventual townflip. Be it by death or post-game reveal.

[Grib]

Now, can someone explain to me how and why Grib goes from 'nearly everyone wants to lynch' to a point where I'm the only vote left?

Believe me, I'm just as confused as you are. But I'm not complaining.

Sorry about your schedule and mouth. Wisdom teeth are monsters.

[Grib]

You got it, birthday boy.

[Grib]

The fakehammer is meh.

beck and scriptin town.

You, Mathdino kinda town

Grib, Pine best picks for scum. Pine is mostly PoE plus a readily admitted shitty paranoid gut read.

I'd kinda like to lynch Grib. Day 1, he was involved as fuck while he was under pressure and then did a fade. Day 2 has been similar, with fewer pyrotechnics.

Is this supposed to be you pressuring me? I've been quite clear about how I want the Day to proceed, and thus far nothing has changed that.

Let's kill Pine or Mathdino.

[Grib]

Okay.

So Pine or Mathdino.

[Grib]

Beck, I did that a long time ago. But you disagree with my BBT townread, so I probably won't convince you.

[Grib]

The scumteam is Mathdino and one of [Pine, fferyllt]. This is assuming there are no third parties.

I'm town. Scripten is likely town based on his role. Beck is probably town based on D1 and almost getting himself lynched multiple times. BBT is likely town for not capitalizing on my wagon, despite me being on everyone's lynch list -- he was after me all yesterDay, and if he voted me toDay, nobody would even blink. Easy mislynch for him.

And since I believe fferyllt and Pine are nka, that leaves Mathdino. If I'm lynched toDay, focus on those three.

Discuss. I want everyone to be as clear and straightforward as possible toDay.

BBT could have avoided being run up to L-1 toDay had he simply continued to vote for me.

[Grib]

Pine, I can only say I want you or Mathdino lynched so often before it becomes unnecessary to keep repeating.

I gave everyone a chance to lynch me a few pages back, no strings attached, no hard feelings, and yet here I am.

[Grib]

Let's try this again.

Everyone vote for me. Kill me. Put a big fat bolded vote on me. Right now. I'm on everyone's Most Wanted list, so fucking act like it. Lynch me right now. And when I flip town, go after Mathdino, Pine, and fferyllt, assuming none of them get shot.

Takers?

[Grib]

Oh, and Pine, sit your ass down about me "lurking." Even without RL obligations, my activity could dance circles around yours.

That is all. See you guys post-game, unless there's more stalling.

[Grib]

I've posted only nine times because I already knew what lynch I wanted. Everything else has been noise.

Mathdino, Pine, fferyllt. Never forget.

[Grib]

Oh my god, this is getting ridiculous. Please lynch me and go after Mathdino, Pine, and fferyllt toMorrow, in that order. I can't stand being on everyone's want-to-lynch list with absolute fuck-all happening. The scumteam is obviously going to wait to deadline!vote me because "information! also he's the only lynch achievable toDay FOR SOME MYSTERIOUS REASON."

I'm not going to self vote, but if nobody wants to listen to me, then let's get this over with. My wagon should be fun to analyze.

You understand that if we lynch you and you flip town, we'll be in LyLo.

Regardless, you have been active, and that's more than Pine can say. I think your last post gives slight townvibes, and like I said, I'm fine with either lynch.

UNVOTE: Grib
VOTE: Pine
Let's hope we're right on this.

Let's try this again.

Everyone vote for me. Kill me. Put a big fat bolded vote on me. Right now. I'm on everyone's Most Wanted list, so fucking act like it. Lynch me right now. And when I flip town, go after Mathdino, Pine, and fferyllt, assuming none of them get shot.

Takers?

Grib, you realise anyone could say this, right?

Me: When I flip town, go after Grib and Pine.
Pine: When I flip town, go after Grib and BBT.
BBT: When I flip town, go after Pine and Beck.
etc etc

Not cutting off discussion just yet.

Anyway, I think the only way BBT is possibly scum right now is if he were scum with Grib. Assuming Grib is town, the entire D1 push makes total sense given the flavour claim, and Grib is correct in that the sudden backing off of him D2 means he could've avoided all of this.

PoE makes Grib scum.

VOTE: Grib

@fferyllt: Yeah, I looked through your ISO; the majority of the content is in your catchup posts and after that your activity kinda went downhill fast.
I looked at your opinions of different players (ctrl+F'd Grib and Pine) and I noticed that you didn't talk about them nearly as much as the other players, so I suppose the possibility of being scum with them remains. That said, I think while you've done a lot more analysis than FinnLaw, he's done a lot more for your slot when it comes to seeming town, so I'm not gonna consider you as the correct lynch today.

Mathdino, these are two completely different reactions to what is essentially the same post. Explain?

[Grib]

Thank you for being courteous.

[Grib]

You're killing me, Math.

[Grib]

Like what?

[Grib]

Self-hammering is for scum.

[Grib]

PoE becomes a problem when literally everyone starts using it. Otherwise it's pretty nifty.

Me, Scripten, Beck, and BBT are all town. I've given my reasons. Two of fferyllt/Pine/Mathdino are our scumteam.

Vote correctly, people.

[Grib]

There are only seven players. I don't pretend to be infallible, but it's not tremendously difficult.

I have enough town reads to narrow down who I think may be scum. I could be wrong, but that's life.

[Grib]

You can't poe a whole scum team on day 2, its literally impossible. Even great mafia players have trouble doing this and no offense here but none of you are on that level.

Poe is lazy work

I've seen someone PoE 3/4 of the scumteam in a 13 player game less than 24 hours into D1, mostly by townhunting.

Don't be a Debbie Downer.

[Grib]

boop

Mathdino, Pine, and fferyllt

I ship it to the grave.

unboop

[Grib]

Should I claim or whatever. Finally put the D1 scumslip shit behind us. I need

some

closure.

[Grib]

Boy, am I gonna flip town.

I'm a Stegosaurus (VT). I'm an enormous dinosaur, and considered the most interesting in the world. Though I have a big body, I have a small brain, and as a result I'm pretty unfriendly and don't play well with others. But I'm very protective of all the dinosaurs in the park. I despise Carnivores and Omnivores.

The last part of the flavor is what made me think eating habits = alignment.

Pine, fferyllt, and Mathdino. Kill them for the win. Do not let the scumteam have a perfect victory.

[Grib]

If none of those three are scum, gg 10/10 would happily be duped by you again. <3

[Grib]

Then you should have fucking lynched Pine.

Hurry up and kill me so I can stop caring.

[Grib]

If you're town, Pine is scum, especially given that last post.

Furthermore it makes (IMO) BBT town, despite people repeatedly attempting to see BBT as scum with Pine and fferyllt.

Like this is what I've been saying all Day. Speculating about this shit as you're about to kill me, talk about dick moves.

[Grib]

Shh, Pine. I know you're scum. No need to rub it in.

[Grib]

Well, at the very least, a townflip from me will make it even more clear to you that BBT is town. So. There's that.

[Grib]

Well, at the very least, a townflip from me will make it even more clear to you that BBT is town. So. There's that.

If you flip town, that doesn't make bbt town

Do you think he's scum independent of me? How does that explain our D1 flavor clash?

[Grib]

Beck, let's put the self-absorbed sarcasm to the side for a second and actually try to figure the game out. Hm?

Pretend I get lynched, flip town, and BBT gets shot. What do you do?

fake edit: in one of my first games offsite, it was explicitly stated that roleplaying makes it harder for people to get a read on you, so I don't do it. Unless it's a really small, casual game to pass the time. Just tossing that out there.

[Grib]

That's because he's town.

Pine/fferyllt. That's my final answer. Mathdino could be slowrolling for maximum towncred since he knows I'll flip town, but if that's the case then I'm just impressed.

[Grib]

That's because he's town.

Pine/fferyllt. That's my final answer. Mathdino could be slowrolling for maximum towncred since he knows I'll flip town, but if that's the case then I'm just impressed.

No way bbt is town, nothing in his play suggests that

Beck, he suddenly backed off of me and nearly got himself lynched for it. He didn't flail or anything, so he's likely town.

[Grib]

But it did lead to more negative attention being focused on him, which scum generally wish to avoid.

He gave intent to hammer one of my scumreads so I don't really care.

[Grib]

There's no way we're going to get through this before Day ends.

[Grib]

Pteranodon.

That is my favorite dinosaur and I hate you for taking it from me. </3

[Grib]

Shh, they were in the movie and they were part of the revived prehistoric creatures and that makes them dinosaurs.

[Grib]

twiddles thumbs and waits to be deadline!lynched

[Grib]

Hey. Hey BBT. Guess what I've been doing all Day?

There is nothing to fight if nobody posts when the deadline is approaching and I have the most votes. Like. There is nothing left for me to do. Either people believe my claim or they don't, although it doesn't even matter at this point because people don't want to risk a No Lynch.

[Grib]

Like, I'm voting scum. I've been telling people to vote scum. I have given reasons for my reads and my vote. I volunteered to be lynched several times and it STILL HASN'T HAPPENED because scum are already on my wagon, waiting for town to do their dirty work. I claimed and wasn't immediately lynched because I am town, I have been town all game, and everyone is just going to sit here and let me rot until deadline. Then someone's gonna jump in with a "hurr durr we're out of time sucks to be you!" and the scumteam will be that much closer to a perfect victory.

I am beyond frustrated and fuck you for insinuating I haven't been trying.

[Grib]

Seriously, everyone has wanted to lynch me since the crack of Dawn, I volunteered myself to be lynched, I've been brought to L-1, I've claimed, and I'm still alive. Doesn't anyone see the problem here?

[Grib]

Mathdino, if you're scum, have all my hatred. This Day has been exhausting enough without you dragging it out to the last goddamn minute.

As a result, I'm calling the scumteam as Pine/fferyllt.

gg no re

[Grib]

Finally.

I am not.

[Grib]

Seriously, if the scumteam isn't Pine/fferllt, way to fuckin' go.

[Grib]

Also, since I can stop giving a fuck, here's a video that's been shared on offsite mafia forums:

goo.gl/R21rf3

enjoy the lulz