Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

[Beck]

/confirm

[Beck]

vote: Finn

[Beck]

Hi Beck. You roll town?

Yep

[Beck]

is it weird that I didn't automatically assume that meat eaters were going to be scum?

[Beck]

I mean yeah I see the 3 types of dinosaurs but I don't automatically assume that means 3 factions. I mean maybe if we were in a mini or a large game, but last I checked micros usually don't have more than 2 scum so 3 factions with 9 people don't really make sense unless their are just 2 SKs and no mafia.

i'd rather not go off assumptions like that this early.

[Beck]

has their ever been a micro with 3 scum? if yes i'd love to see that game

[Beck]

wow so I stand corrected

[Beck]

I think I lost a couple of iq points reading this page

[Beck]

I don't really see either as scum ATM.scripten's wait a second post is weird.

[Beck]

why would you ask me to give opinions of players when you quote me giving me opinions of 3 players?

and no, not that much has happened that warranted your post, it reads scummy to me

vote: scripten

[Beck]

well technically 2 players, but it was obvious you had ping'd my scumdar which is why i suspect you voted me, you wanted to make the first strike.

[Beck]

oh and lol at expecting people to have strong reads/opinions on page 3

[Beck]

Grib had role flavor that suggested it, if he's not lying. I'm calling null until later.

interesting because my role pm doesn't suggest my alignment has anything to do with the type of dinosaur I am...

[Beck]

Yup, only seven quotes' worth of content to reply to.

why do you think you needed to reply to everything? that is not how you played in some of your previous games so curious why you did so in this game? To me it looks like you are trying to hard.

"Oh, nothing stood out about those two players." Noncommittal as hell.

Pretty sure saying 2 players are not scum is being committal, it's probably the most committal a person can be...

but how about something a little more substantial?

no,

Btw, I gave you reasons why I switched my vote over.

umm, actually no you didn't. You gave absolutely no reason why you voted me.

Got anything other than "Ooh, that post was scummy because reasons!" and OMGUS to justify the counter-vote?

figure you would try and discredit my vote as omgus. My reason for voting you is because right now you are the most scummy person in the game and I don't see your play 1. mirroring your town play in other games I just read and 2. I don't see any of your posts coming from a town mindset.

[Beck]

Because... I wanted to. Also, are you going to seriously police the way I play each of my games? And call me a tryhard? Wow.

I don't consider what I did policing, I consider it meta diving. I saw you post something that struck me as odd and I wanted to see how you played in other games.

As for the rest, I'll respond later when I get home

[Beck]

1. Am I committed to them? Sure for right now. Doesn't mean as the game progresses they won't say or do something scummy.

2. That's not really true, I was commenting on things going on in the game, they just happened to be about setup, cause somebody brought the setup up.I was trying to show they were wrong. I suggest you read more carefully next time you roll scum and you play with me

3. I'll give you a specific example. The thing I said about my role pm, you said yours was the same yet you are arguing that grib's role pm somehow contained flavor that contradicts your own supposedly town role pm and you didn't question it. That's not a town mindset thing to do imo

[Beck]

I think he has a scum PM.

I think he used the intro flavour to guess that townies would be Herbivores based on the colours used in the intro post.

Meh, that looks like town confusion to me.

[Beck]

Anything in specific you can pick out that suggest this?

Try hard question

[Beck]

Why is this alignment-indicative?

So is this

[Beck]

All I know is that non-Herbivores must die.

More votes on the fleshchewer BBT.

And for the record, I have been in a micro on this site with a scumteam and a Serial Killer.

This post is the one I really dislike Scripten.

It's like 'Well, I'm town and I'm a herbivore, so everyone else needs to die'.

But it seems scum are omnivores, so if he were scum don't you think he would know a town carnivore would speak up?

I will concede bringing up the idea of scum/3rd party does concern me a little but seeing him explain how he got there calmed those concerns

[Beck]

So now you are being dense on purpose, got it. Fine when I get to a computer I'll quote the posts I'm responding to, though iys quite obvious which ones I'm responding to.

[Beck]

I didn't insult you.

[Beck]

What's not really true? What you're saying here says nothing to contradict what I said about your play.

It actually does though, you tried yo imy like I was avoiding talking about the game by instead talking about setups. Thats obviously not true. I would even call it a outright lie.

[Beck]

*You tried to imply that I was avoiding talking about the game*

[Beck]

You took my vote for WAY more than it initially was, then. I said, when I voted you:

I didn't take your vote for anything, cause I'm not concerned about your vote

[Beck]

Up to that point, you had done nothing but talk game setup and make one comment about a couple of players that wasn't very committal at all. Tell me how that's a lie? The way you're reacting makes me feel like you're a lot more threatened by my vote than you should be.

That's because there was nothing else to talk about at the time, it was game relevant content and I was involving myself in the conversation as it was so early in.the game and nobody else was really posting.

If you are town your expectations of early day 1 are unrealistic

[Beck]

I never overreacted, and I voted scum. It wasn't a crossvote.

It must suck to have been caught so early.

[Beck]

Except I never got defensive, and I don't appreciate you insulting me. Do it again and ill report you to the mod

[Beck]

Yeah, voting a scummy player is bad play....OK

I never omgus'd you, you can keep saying that if you want but it's just not true.

Don't criticize my play again, I consider it an insult and insulting my play is insulting me and thankfully we have a mod who has rules that strictly forbid this kind of thing.

Thank you

[Beck]

I will play as I feel is necessary. If you have a problem with that, then either replace out, blacklist me, or what-have-you. You can stop trying to bully me, however. It will not work.

Yeah about that

3) Don't attack or insult your fellow player

[Beck]

Beck is being way too self-defensive and his vote on Scripten is super weak. If BBT flips scum, Beck dies next.

Beck hasn't been defensive at all, unless you consider me saying I'm not being defensive as being defensive.

[Beck]

My reason for voting you is because right now you are the most scummy person in the game and I don't see your play 1. mirroring your town play in other games I just read and 2. I don't see any of your posts coming from a town mindset.

I didn't respond because I had already gave reasons why I voted you. Reading is fundamental

[Beck]

I'm not creating a straw man, and calling a spade a spade isn't insulting him. If he got offended then I'm sorry but I said I would respond to the rest of his post later. He had 3 other parts of his post left to respond to, and I numbered by posts 1, 2, 3 to corelate with his 3 remaining posts in order. He even acknowledged he knew what posts I was responding to in a future post, so he had no reason to ask me to quote his posts, he did that for effect.

Now maybe dense is the wrong word, difficult fits better. He was being difficult on purpose.

I could quote more, but quoting his entire ISO seems like a waste of time so I won't bother. I don't see a single protown thought or action in any of his posts.

Better now?

[Beck]

you want some highlights? I'll give you some highlights.

In the below quote he is saying that he believes grib had role related info that suggests herbivores = town and carnivores = scum

Grib had role flavor that suggested it,

if he's not lying

. I'm calling null until later.

1. the mod already confirmed that isn't true. The mod confirmed that flavor is flavor and herbivore doesn't mean one alignment or another.
2. I stated that in my role pm there is nothing that suggests what type of dinosaur has any correlation to my alignment and Scripten said his was the same.

In post 60, Beck wrote:
In post 55, Scripten wrote:
Grib had role flavor that suggested it, if he's not lying. I'm calling null until later.

interesting because my role pm doesn't suggest my alignment has anything to do with the type of dinosaur I am...


Neither did mine, but Grib's summary of the role flavor seemed reasonable. Didn't feel too alignment-indicative.

Town scrip, if he honestly thought grib was telling the truth about his role pm would think grib was full of shit because that contradicts what his own role PM says.

So that leaves me to draw 1 of 2 conclusions. 1. that scrip is scum and inadvertently slipped or 2. scrip is actually town and he is really naive.

I don't see naivety coming from scrip so i'm content hedging my bets on #1.

Not to mention post 51 still comes off as fake and his subsequent post 55 appears like he's scrambling to do something to make himself look town. Not to mention he said I was non-committal when I clearly stated I though 2 players were town which directly contradicts that statement. Town would not see a player make such a statement and then accuse them of being noncommittal in my opinion..

[Beck]

Is this what we're talking about?

no I meant this

Beck: Could you quote the parts of my posts you are replying to, please? It makes it easier to follow the flow of conversation

and I don't care if you dismiss my vote, just know that when he flips scum you owe me an apology or something, assuming you aren't his scum buddy which is still possible but not likely. I don't typically see scum buddies defending themselves this early in a game.

[Beck]

The whole Herbivores = town thing was a mistake. I happened to get a town role (green) and an Herbivore (also green in this game) and the flavor suggests I hate Omnivores and Carnivores

Which flavor suggests this, role pm or game?

[Beck]

PM. Obviously.

vote: grin

[Beck]

Dumb autocorrect

vote: grib

[Beck]

I'm surprised his overreaction, cross-vote, and attempts to coerce my play weren't scumread harder by the rest of the town.

Still never overreacted, tbh I didn't even react but please 1. since you keep saying I've overreacted, link it for me.
2. Cross votes aren't scummy, especially when the person had already called you out first
3. I never tried to coerce anything, why do you insist on lying?

[Beck]

OH I GET IT NOW... Because I voted you, that is me overreacting and flailing?

yes I did call you out -

scripten's wait a second post is weird.

trying to get you to follow the game and site rules is not coercion but nice try...

The part about me using meta to push you to play this game a certain way is such a fucking stretch, all I did was point out that your play isn't how you normally play. That isn't forcing you to play a certain way, that's showing that you have committed what I consider as a pretty reliable scumtell.



I know you are going to keep saying I cross voted you, and of course that is what it looks like and you are going to continue to harp on that like it actually means something (which it doesn't) but let me explain how I arrived at my decision to vote you.

After you made post 51 and I called that post weird, I quickly opened up all your completed games and started reading your posts in iso. It was then that i determined that your entrance into this game is nothing like the entrances into your other town games. So I came back to the tab and posted my vote. During the time I did my research you voted me but I didn't see your vote at the time, I didn't actually see your vote until I hit post and I got the preview edit notifying me that a new post had been made.

I don't expect you to believe me because you are scum, but that's the truth so now people know that when you say I OMGUS'd you or I cross voted you they will know it's a lie.

I do agree that this back and forth is unproductive. Scum is you and grib. This was a pretty easy game to figure out.

GG everyone

[Beck]

and in case anyone wonders, grib is scum because I do not believe him about his role pm. It contradicts what the mod has said and what my role pm says. So he's scum

[Beck]

Oh he's so obvious scum. None of his posts come from a town mindset.

[Beck]

I mean he knows grib's role pm directly contradicts the pm he supposedly has, yet he believes grib is telling the truth amd isn't suspicious about it.

Town would be suspicious of that, whenever somebody contradicts a town role pm, that means the person is lying.

The alternative would mean that script is being naive but I dont see that as a possibility.

P.edit - By default yes, not by their play

[Beck]

That is unless we actually do have a 3rd party, but until I see.evidence of that, I'm assuming 2 scum

[Beck]

My role pm says nothing about carnivores or omnivores being a threat. You says yours does. The mod has confirmed that scum can be any type, even a herbivore.

Its a direct contradiction to my own and to what we know about the setup.

Get it now?

[Beck]

It doesn't say they're a threat, it says I hate them. I

perceived

them to be the threats against town, because I'm an Herbivore, and I'm town.

Get it?

Still essentially the same thing

[Beck]

yeah, somebody who is trying to get their scum reads lynched clearly isn't town...

[Beck]

Right and that's all I'm doing. Nothing about my play is bad, nothing about my play warrants the comment you just made about me.

You are the one who has falsely accused me of overreacting/flailing and when asked for an example can't be botherd to come up with one.

You are the same person who sees a player say their role pm directly contradicts what yours says, yet you don't find that suspicious and instead you find the person who's pointed it out suspicious.

Those 2 behaviors don't come from town

[Beck]

post 63, Scripten wrote:
Because... I wanted to. Also, are you going to seriously police the way I play each of my games? And call me a tryhard? Wow.

I mean if you want to accuse someone for overreacting, why not deal with your own overreacting? Somebody decides to meta you and this is your response? A townie doesn't get mad or accuse somebody of "policing their play" because they did their due diligence to determine your alignment.

That is a classic overreaction.

Now humor me and show 1 post where I overreacted, I guarantee you can't find one.

[Beck]

Beck, FFS. You really don't need to respond to every single post personally. Put the smartphone down for a couple hours, then come back and respond to stuff directed at you and stuff you find interesting. I swear, you're half the reason Rolling in the Deep went over 150 pages (the other half was me and Slandaar)

I play how I play, I can't control my frequency, especially since most of my posts are responding to things directed at me

[Beck]

@Pine - 47 and 52 are buddying.

After pine responds, I'll give my .02

[Beck]

@Pine - 47 and 52 are buddying.

After pine responds, I'll give my .02

Those aren't buddying

[Beck]

Sweet, that was easy.

Beck come on over to the town block.

Surprised Scripten didn't reply...I know he worries about his early D1 play being bad. You scared I'll sniff you out Scripten?

I mean if we want to call out posts that look like buddying, one only has to look at this post. This could easily be considered but trying to buddy me. Knowing how I play, its always better to have me on your side anyway

[Beck]

Im not accusing you, I'm just showing how easy it is to accuse someone of it

[Beck]

But asking someone if they are scum isn't an effective way of doing that, people lie. Scripten lied to you, yet you believe him

[Beck]

None of those posts were even remotely defensive or paranoia and lol at the hyperbole.

I can just go back to ignoring you. Its obvious you are scum or the [redacted] person in the history of mafia

[Beck]

Scripten, if you are town, please explain why are we not getting this guy?

My play-style tends toward open logic and honesty, so I will generally give justification for my decisions within the post itself. I will respond to any questions to the best of my ability

[Beck]

1. Not that quickly
2. You were on both scum lynches so your play wasn't that bad obviously
3. It's trying to understand why you arent playing the way you self describe as your playstyle. In case I was somehow wrong about you I want to know why the play style change.

[Beck]

No I'm not only using previous games

[Beck]

How did Beck's mistake that omnivores=scum

wrong assumption =/= mistake

[Beck]

the more Beck is pissing me off, the likelier he is to be Town. Townish

normally I am pissing you off because I am calling you scum

[Beck]

damn, those are the 3 things I said I was going to work on fixing when I returned. I guess it's kind of hard to change your playstyle

[Beck]

vote: scripten

Claim and then somebody hammer please

Good night

[Beck]

Claim and then somebody hammer please

Don't need to claim. I have verifiable proof that I'm town come Day 2, which will appear regardless of whether I die overnight or not. Only a very stupid town will lynch me today.

If I don't produce results tomorrow, lynch me then.

That's not how it works, obvious stalling tactic.

[Beck]

Bold statement.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BBT

Back to our regular program.

Aww cmon, follow through with bussing your partner. He's said nothing that deserves a stay of execution

[Beck]

You realize its ridiculously easy for scum to soft claim right? This wagon shouldn't fall apart just cause you scare people with a soft claim. You got to l-1, you claim at l-1 and we evaluate the claim. Refusing to claim is punishable by death.

Rope this guy please.

BTW, its not role fishing. Its called playing mafia

[Beck]

This is 100% dead on and it certainly applies here. If he was a pr, he wouldn't be soft claiming.

If you're at L-1 and wait until a hammer has been threatened to claim, the odds of me believing anything you say drops drastically. If I'm a town PR, I want to claim as soon as I get to L-1 to avoid any possible quickhammers by someone. Where as if I'm scum, I really don't want to have to claim a PR I don't have, so I'm more likely to wait until the last second.

[Beck]

I was at L-1 because of an RVS vote and a sketchy-as-hell quickwagon. Oh, and a tunneler. I already told you that I can present solid proof on Day 2 about my role. Do you REALLY think that I'd be playing a scum gambit that way? That's incredibly short-sighted.

Also, here's the awesome part. If you don't believe my claim tomorrow, you can use this thing called a Day 2 lynch to take me out.

Yes I absolutely thinking you are playing a scum gambit, self preservation will make you do that.

Giving yourself a night phase to plan your exit strategy is 100x better than your partner basically being mathematically screwed and it being near impossible for him to win.

This way you get to convince people to lynch a townie and then you kill one of the most obv town players making your chances manageable.

Full claim your role or die

[Beck]

If it makes no sense, why did you unvote?

P.edit - I know you arent l-1, doesn't matter. People unvoted you cause you soft claimed and it doesn't work like that. Your partner umvoted first, causing insanity to also unvote.

Proper play is a person refuses to claim = death by lynch.

[Beck]

Cause you are the only one voting grib, and you have already committed the cardinal sin

[Beck]

Wait, seriously? Goddamn it. I'm waiting to hear what the mod says, but if that's true, that is majorly irritating. I hate derphammers.

That's why protown power roles don't refuse to claim when they are at l-1

Which is why you aren't a pro town power role.

Rope em

[Beck]

Are you kidding me? He was at l-1, thats plenty of reason if he's scum.

[Beck]

Not to me, cause he didn't act like a real town PR should act but carry on. I'm not changing my vote

[Beck]

Sorry, I'll try to be more active

[Beck]

There is absolutely no reason we should go after Scripten in light of what he said;

So you don't think he's lying? Better yet, You don't think it's POSSIBLE he's lying?

Town PRs are fearful of getting lynched so they claim, scum are fearful of getting lynched so they pretend they have an important role.

This is mafia 101 type shit

[Beck]

Oh ffs, town is.doomed

Go ahead and lynch me, town has no chance to win now

[Beck]

Oh ffs, town is.doomed

Go ahead and lynch me, town has no chance to win now

Dafuq?

You have one vote on you. Relax and detunnel

It has nothing to do with the vote, it has everything to do with ignoring the obviously correct play. Refusal to claim is a scum claim. Using fear of lynching a "possible" PR is also a scum claim.

[Beck]

It could

Look, I've realized he isn't getting lynched today, I'm not Happy with it so town is better off just ignoring me and go have fun mislynching some scummy townie, or better yet whoever has the absolute fewest posts.

[Beck]

The low posters who bug me the most is Finn, nothing but iioa in his posts.

[Beck]

Currently reading up, but its nearly 1 in the morning here so off to bed soon.

But first, while I have found Scripten slightly suspicious his lynch isn't going to happen today and shouldn't happen anymore. I agree with what's been said about his wagon since his soft-claim. Taking a risk on his lynch is unnecessary as it could potentially result in the lynch of a town power role when instead we can look elsewhere to try to the other scum. Come day 2 Scripten can prove he's town and if he doesn't then we lynch him.

UNVOTE: Scripten

Sup beetle juice

[Beck]

Dont worry about it, its nothing

[Beck]

Yungh0mo have been force replaced. He dodged his 3rd prod and vanished again. I will start looking for his replacement.

He just posted on this page though...

[Beck]

Or last page lol

[Beck]

anti town to want to go ahead with the Scripten lynch after his soft claim even if you think he is lying.

100% wrong, thanks for playing

[Beck]

A PR at l-1 is always going to claim for fear of getting deep hammered.

[Beck]

Derp hammered that is.

[Beck]

OK so in the meantime we lose 2 townies before we Lynch scum, that's not a trade off I'm on with

[Beck]

Finding 2 scum on day 1 rarely happens, odds say we will Lynch town now we let scum off the hook

[Beck]

Stop trying to insult my intelligence, yes I read what I'm writing.

I'm not voting grib cause nobody else is voting grib. He gets to l-1, I'll hammer him but I'm keeping my vote where its at thanks

P.edit- I can't pretend something that isn't possible, cause he's confirmed scum already.

[Beck]

I'm good

[Beck]

Either way my vote is wasted. Only other person I would be OK lynching is you for beetlejuicing, its a classic tell for active lurking.

No other lynch is acceptable imo

[Beck]

Beck, you think I'm scum but won't vote for me? Is that your final answer?

Because I know at least three people who'd be happy to wagon me with you.

I'm not voting anyone else but scripten, final answer

[Beck]

Beck is anti-town at the very, very best and scummy at worst.

I just don't understand his approach in this game and I've had enough now.

No I'm trying to lynch scum. Nice try though

[Beck]

Let's look at what's happening Scripten. Let's strip it down to the basics.

Beck wants to lynch you. He knows there is a chance you're a PR. He decides to go ahead and keep pushing your lynch anyway.

No matter how you look at that, it's scummy behaviour and it's scum-motivated.

Yeah cause scum would go against the grain of ever single player and alienate himself right? Nope, im 100% convinced bases on his play and his handling of him being at l-1, he's scum. If he had claimed a PR I would have probably acted differently but using fear of a PR without actually claming to be one is a scum tactic.

I had no idea this was the newbie game area, i thought this was experienced people. My bad

[Beck]

A scum who is a possible town PR...

Do you see the problem with that?

Did he claim a PR? No. A REAL PR would have claimed, not relied on fear. Fear is scums best weapon

[Beck]

Tell me why a town PR would have to use fear to stop a Lynch on them? Give me a good reason and maybe I'll change my mind.

It's a trick question though, cause there is no good reason

[Beck]

It's scummy to try and lynch a potential town PR.

No its not

[Beck]

It's scummy to try and lynch a potential town PR.

No its not

What! I think your alone in that thought Beck.

well then you guys are a bunch of n00bs who are ignorant to the fact that SCUM HAVE TO LIE TO LIVE LONGER...

[Beck]

If Scripten doesn't deliver toMorrow, we quicklynch him before he can try to weasel out of his promise. It's only D1, we are not going to lose if we mislynch toDay.

Stop it.

so go ahead and lynch somebody else. There are plenty of other people in this game that can be used to lynch somebody. Arguing with me isn't going to change my mind. Threatening to lynch me won't change my mind either.

[Beck]

yes I am a hypocrite, sue me

[Beck]

You realize there is literally no way he can confirm himself right? There was is only truly confirmable role, and that role could be confirmed now if he had it.

[Beck]

Single minded? No
Speaking the truth? Yes

Cop/tracker/watcher/role blocker/doc/gunsmith/bodyguard/big

None of those are confirmable. Some would argue big could be bu that could be SK.

There's not a single role that is ACTUALLY confirmable, that can't be confirmed today.

[Beck]

Big = vig

[Beck]

Oh and claiming your role isn't against the rules

[Beck]

Im not trying to guess your role, I'm pointing out to the people who think you will somehow prove yourself tomorrow that its impossible to do.

[Beck]

But regurgitating what other people are saying with little to no original ideas is just as bad as sitting on a fence giving no opinion at all. Scum have to take scum hunt and the best way to do that is what he did. Not to mention he started being active after specifically being called out for being inactive

[Beck]

Fake scum hunt*

[Beck]

it's easy to lurk and say the reason why is because you are having trouble getting into the game. I mean he could be telling the truth but he could easily be lying. He has done nothing yet to warrant anyone town reading him, let alone defending him like you are doing.

[Beck]

Especially with the way you have jumped on him now after the discussion between Insanity and myself, there is no way Finn gets lynched today.

yeah nice try

Spoiler:

The low posters who bug me the most is Finn, nothing but iioa in his posts.

Currently reading up, but its nearly 1 in the morning here so off to bed soon.

But first, while I have found Scripten slightly suspicious his lynch isn't going to happen today and shouldn't happen anymore. I agree with what's been said about his wagon since his soft-claim. Taking a risk on his lynch is unnecessary as it could potentially result in the lynch of a town power role when instead we can look elsewhere to try to the other scum. Come day 2 Scripten can prove he's town and if he doesn't then we lynch him.

UNVOTE: Scripten

Sup beetle juice

Either way my vote is wasted. Only other person I would be OK lynching is you for beetlejuicing, its a classic tell for active lurking.

No other lynch is acceptable imo

[Beck]

Beck showed slight suspicion towards Finn, mostly due to his lurking though, not his actual post content

I just posted a quote that disproves this statement

[Beck]

Not to mention he started being active after specifically being called out for being inactive

So should I have instead not got involved in the game? Scum if I do scum if I dont.

You started posting content after I called you out for your content then you vote me for it hiding behind bad reasons

[Beck]

The low posters who bug me the most is Finn,

nothing but iioa in his posts.

Yep, here. Reading is fundamental

[Beck]

You said I never mentioned his content... You fail

[Beck]

The point is that he hasn't really done this.

Qft

[Beck]

But that's a false statement cause I did mention his content. Its me calling him out that caused him to start posting more. That's scummy

[Beck]

Especially when we have someone trying to lynch a claimed town PR

Technically he didn't claim a PR

I'm not scummy in the least bit for trying to lynch scripten, nice try though

[Beck]

And actually when a person starts posting more after getting called out for their lack of posting, that is actually a really good reason to Lynch somebody

[Beck]

VOTE: Yung

This guy is lurking pretty hard. I want him to do something.

So let me get this straight, lurking is an OK reason to lynch someone but lynching a lurker who only started posting after getting called out for it is s bad reason?

That makes no sense...

[Beck]

And actually when a person starts posting more after getting called out for their lack of posting, that is actually a really good reason to Lynch somebody

So then you would rather I didn't start posting? You would of found that scummy to.

Your timing was suspect. You voting me makes you look scared.

maybe if you posted something original, but you didn't even do that

[Beck]

Why does my voting you, make me look scared?

Vote the person who called you out and using bad reasons, it does make you look scared.

[Beck]

It sucks I have no recent games to use but those who are afraid yo lynch a claimed PR (even though nobody has claimed a PR this game ) if we just blindly believe claims instead of evaluating the persons play, things like this wouldn't happen.

Scum claimed watcher - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3332237

He flipped mafia godfather.

See you don't give people free rides cause "they can prove themselves day 2"

[Beck]

Why does my voting you, make me look scared?

Vote the person who called you out and using bad reasons, it does make you look scared.

I didn't say it was a strong read, but it was a scum read. While it may have been a weak read, what come at of it with your attitude is pretty suprising.

My attitude comes off as a person who's been playing really well and making plenty of sense and who is being voted for trying to play properly.

[Beck]

But beck, you seem to be ignoring the possibility that he might actually be telling the truth and we could lynch a town PR if we went ahead with his lynch.

But see that is exactly the fear I'm talking about. By refusing to claim he's using fear to give himself 1 extra day

Also his play hasn't been very protown. Seeking approval, not playing towards his Town meta, opportunist voting, limited scum hunting.

Not to mention I've already said I realize he isn't getting lynched. I just don't really want to lynch anyone else, I'm not stopping town from lynching someone else. Basically you all want me lynched for being stubborn.

I'm not going go stop being stubborn.

You will learn over time that scum lie to protect themselves and eventually you can't believe every PR claim. That will come with experience.

[Beck]

Your playing a one man game, you are narrow minded to the opinions of other people. You should never be 100% certain in a game of mafia unless something is confirmed.

1. Because I'm the only one I know is 100% town
2. I will always be certain of my scum reads, my first game back I was 100% certain, people ignored me and I was right. I know what scummy play looks like, I know what a BS soft claim looks like.

[Beck]

If I move my vote, it's going on you. You sure you want that?

[Beck]

I'm not joining any wagon you endorse.

[Beck]

How on earth am I scummy?

[Beck]

VOTE: Yung

This guy is lurking pretty hard. I want him to do something.

So let me get this straight, lurking is an OK reason to lynch someone but lynching a lurker who only started posting after getting called out for it is s bad reason?

That makes no sense...

Response to this also please.

[Beck]

so since you didn't answer that question, I went over your posts to see why exactly you are voting me.

"Beck is anti-town at the very, very best and scummy at worst. "

- This came right after you voted me, it also doesn't really say anything other than you want to policy lynch me because you don't really say what is scummy and a few posts previous you called myself and scripten Town v Town and the only thing that happened is my continued stance that i didn't want to change my vote.

"Beck wants to lynch you. He knows there is a chance you're a PR. He decides to go ahead and keep pushing your lynch anyway.

No matter how you look at that, it's scummy behaviour and it's scum-motivated."

- You say "no matter how you look at it" that is factually wrong. I have proved it is wrong with that game link I provided. Town saw a scummy player claim a PR on day 1 and instead of giving him time to prove himself, they lynched him and he flipped scum. So their are circumstances where what i am doing is considered acceptable play.

There's nothing town about what he's doing.

False - see above response

"Yeah, can you imagine that? Scum just tunnelling on someone who they know full well will not be getting lynched. Then whatever other wagons form you can just stay away from them, use the reasoning that you had 'found scum' and not come under any pressure or VCA.

Yeah. What a crazy thought."

This is wrong on so many levels


So basically your reasons are shit and your biggest reason was proved wrong. You think town would never push a claimed PR when he can prove himself and I have shown town lynching a claimed PR when he could have proven himself.


Later today I will go find the 10 more games like I promised to prove to you even more that my continued push on scripten is not scummy. Pushing to lynch your top scum read and ignoring a BS soft claim is not scummy

[Beck]

ok that may take longer than expected. I just looked at 14 games where scum was lynched day 1 and almost none of the scum claimed. I saw 1 where the SK was lynched and he claimed SK 1 game where scum claimed bomb, and another claimed VT. The rest no claims at all.

[Beck]

It

is

fucking scummy because he claims he can prove it.

Why don't you get this.

Its not though, it town believes every soft claim, scum would never get lynched.

I get you don't share my opinion, just like I don't share yours but scum HAVE gotten lynched while fake claiming that means town players exsist that share my opinion. Saying my opinion is scummy is factually wrong cause I have proved it wrong

[Beck]

It changes nothing for me, but carry on

[Beck]

You are wasting everyone's time with your bullshit.

So stop talking to me, stop trying to change my mind.

Focus on the other 7 players in the game and convince them to vote bbt

[Beck]

You are wasting everyone's time with your bullshit.

You just said I was wasting peoples time with my bullshit, but my bullshit has come from people trying to change my mind.

You can't make that comment above and then make then one you just made...

[Beck]

Jiffy, what does the flowchart say about a guy you are scum reading soft claiming but not full claiming a pr? Lynch him or let him live?

[Beck]

when that's really the only solid thing the case is built around

Obviously this isnt true

[Beck]

Day 1? Let 'em live.

[Beck]

Page 11

{Beck, Insanity, FinnLaw}
Scum, in order of strength

{Grib, Scripten, BBT, Pine}
Town, no order.

No read on the Mathdino yet. Gut tells me to read him as town but

ehhhhhhhhhh

These are horrible reads

[Beck]

Whatever, I'm over this game. Town is going to lose.

Scripten/grib/Flinn your scum lie in here.

[Beck]

I have done nothing wrong, lynching scripten is still the right play.

Lynch him tomorrow cause he's confirmed scum already. Other scum is in grib/finn

I claim vt, corythosaurus

[Beck]

It's in the spoiler in 290.

Why wouldn't I quote myself when it's literally the answer you're looking for.

FYI, don't put important stuff in spoilers. Those are a pain on my phone, not that it matters anyway

[Beck]

Seriously, though, Scripten has a point. Why him over me if you think we're buddies?

Because I'm less sure of you, plus he wants to Lynch you and that's a sign I could be wrong about you

[Beck]

But pushing a possible PR lynch like this is plain anti-town.

1. Its really not
2. Antitown =/= scum

Just be honest and say you want to policy lynch me, cause that's all this is.

[Beck]

Beck, I'll spoiler when I feel like it.

Calm down kemosabe

[Beck]

I was asking you to not put stuff in spoilers, that is all.

I don't care if you hammer me, I've already accepted I'm getting policy lynched

[Beck]

Not yet, Grib, I want to wait for Majiffy to finish up. He said he had a scumread on Beck, so let him hammer.

Majiffy already caught up and voted me.

@grib - hate to break it.to you but there is nothing antitown with trying to Lynch your scum read and.not believing him when he claims... Oh wait he refused to claim.

Yeah, nothing wrong with not believing a soft claim. He got to l-1 for.being scummy, I get to l-1 cause I still find him scummy.

[Beck]

I'd like people to actually vote people for doing scummy things, but that's not happening either

[Beck]

My skins win, I don't care what happens here anymore.

I know this will probably seal my fate but whatever

vote: grib

Remember what I said, script is scum. Grib/Finn is the other

Deuces Guys

[Beck]

Finn, are you going to start providing some analysis on the game or are you planning on continuing to post about game mechanics/theories?

Oh wait, I thought you liked his contributions?

Also how am I not dead yet? I was ready

[Beck]

That's a weird 180

[Beck]

Because Beck claimed VT.

I am almost certain scum would not claim VT when they could claim pretty much anything they like.

Like soft claiming a PR?

[Beck]

I voted grib so he would hammer me and he didn't. Not ready for any hammers yet

unvote

P.edit - did you miss the post someone made earlier about a non PR doing essentially the same thing in another game?

People lie, this is a game where that happens frequently, but I'll humor everyone

P.edit x 2 - I've already claimed but no, no claims

[Beck]

Bbt looks desperate to me

[Beck]

Hey I post my feelings as they come to me, don't care if it makes sense to me, that's how he is coming off to me

[Beck]

grib actually making very good points here, especially with regards to bbt, especially the last part about bbt and grib both wanting to lynch me for being antitown but somehow when grib does it it's scummy but it's not for bbt...

[Beck]

mod I unvoted

>>Fixed. TY <<

[Beck]

did you know that I am skeptical about dinosaurs

>>this should be a post game discussion. I ll comment to this when game is completed. <<

[Beck]

Yeah, it was a good series of posts

vote: BBT

[Beck]

The part where you said I'm anti town and using that to say I'm scummy. Anti town =/= scummy.

Though I wasnt even being anti town.

You want me lynched cause I wouldn't stop trying to lynch scripten, grib wanted to Lynch me cause I wouldn't shut up about trying to lynch scripten. See its the same reason

[Beck]

You find me "scummy" for something that isn't scummy. You attack grib for basically the same reason

[Beck]

Because Beck claimed VT.

I am almost certain scum would not claim VT when they could claim pretty much anything they like.

This posts also implies you weren't really scum reading me, if you were me claiming VT means nothing cause I dont think you are that naive.

[Beck]

But that means your scum read on me wasn't genuine...

Like I said, I don't think you are naive enough to think scum won't claim VT. I always claim VT as scum, I'm not a good enough liar to pull off fake claims. I have seen plenty other scum claim VT also.

Not to mention your read change on me came completly out of the blue to begin with. You were calling me town and all of a sudden you call me anti town/scummy when I did nothing different.

Its all suspect and your scum read was based on bullshit anyway.

I'm ready to hammer if someone puts you back atbl-1

[Beck]

I'm ready to hammer if someone puts you back atbl-1

ha ha I forgot I was already voting you

[Beck]

I'm surprised pine isn't voting bbt

[Beck]

It means we are about to Lynch scum

[Beck]

There is nothing left for me to say on this. I thought you were town initially, when you continued to push for Scripten's lynch even though he soft-claimed a PR and said he can prove it; that's when you become scummy. You continued to keep pushing, so I voted for you.

except post 288 you are trying to convine me to move my vote off scripten because he can prove himself. At least 3 times after this post I continue to push his lynch and then in post 332 you call me town.

nice try though.

[Beck]

I have already said that I don't fake claim as scum so why do you still think I am town again?

[Beck]

Because you claimed VT.

That literally makes no sense

[Beck]

I'm going to second Mathdino's what post. What? You don't like the wagon but you can get behind it? What?

I told y'all he's scum

[Beck]

But you said you could get behind it...

[Beck]

his reads are all over the place, swinging from town to scum all game. When he's scum, he's much less organic and a lot more consistent. He tunnels pretty hard in either case,

just going off this, I feel like for most of the game he has played like the 2nd one. He was tunneling pretty hard on grib and then tunneling on me. He did hop off to vote a lurker and I think he voted pine at some point, but he's been doing a bit of tunneling this game.

[Beck]

if not one I can get behind

The if implies you can get behind it.

Now my grammar and language usage is pretty bad though

[Beck]

Had you said though not one I could get behind, that would mean something entirely different

[Beck]

Beck looks like scum.

Not even by a mile but nice try

[Beck]

Majiffy might be scum.

He's not following the flowchart so its certainly possible

[Beck]

I don't think anyone tunnels like I do, but he was kind of tunneling

[Beck]

Id be OK with jiffu, but I see no reason to let bbt off the hook

[Beck]

Damn y'all were busy on halloween, got a busy day so won't be able to read up til tonight

[Beck]

Where did the bbt wagon go?

[Beck]

Beck isnt scum so...

I'm tempted to vote jiffy but I feel that if script isn't happening, bbt should.

If deadline comes i'll hammer jiffy but if what he is saying is true and he gets his head out of his ass, he could be useful.

[Beck]

Hey Majiffy

If you want to look like something other than an active lurker, produce something of value. I've had seriously limited access of late and I've produced way more than you

I was busy corralling town to lynch itself in a mountainous game with 24 hour days and no nightkills or nightphases after Day 4.

I dominated, decimated, and feel like a king. So I don't want to hear your shit.

Nobody gives a shit

[Beck]

So you'd rather flatly refuse to bother?

Did you really accuse someone else of not bothering?

[Beck]

Keep on strengthening that scumread, Beck.

Ooh like I care, if you are town you are playing like shitbwith equally shitty reads. You better hope nobody puts you at l-1

[Beck]

Majiffy is more interested in snarking at people than playing the game.

Lynch it.

Get him to l-1 and I'll happily do it. Town majiffy doesn't play this bad

[Beck]

What are you going to do, quickhammer a townie on D1? Retard.

I'm going to quick hammer scum day 1

mod, this insult is unacceptable.

[Beck]

What are you going to do, quickhammer a townie on D1? Retard.

I'm going to quick hammer scum day 1

mod, this insult is unacceptable.

"Someone insulted me in a mafia game!" - OP

Don't worry, I've also reported you to the site.mods. my mother has cerebral palsy and I grew up with kids calling her retarded. This in completely unacceptable

[Beck]

Majiffy is more interested in snarking at people than playing the game.

Lynch it.

Get him to l-1 and I'll happily do it. Town majiffy doesn't play this bad

Where, exactly, is my play bad?

Provide a case. Because no one has yet.

And then after that, elaborate on your bountiful Majiffy meta to make a statement like that.

Nothing pro town in.your ISO. I've also played.with at least 5 games and have lynched you as scum. This matches that game.

[Beck]

No this majiffy wagon isn't shitty. Vote him for town cred

[Beck]

I just finished up an off-site game that was eating up all my free time. My presence site-wide should return to normal levels.

Making up reasons to lurk

I was busy corralling town to lynch itself in a mountainous game with 24 hour days and no nightkills or nightphases after Day 4.

I dominated, decimated, and feel like a king. So I don't want to hear your shit.

Clogging the thread with non game related content

Produce something to analyze... Like maybe working on building a wagon on my top scumread

Telling people to do things that you aren't doing yourself

{Beck, Insanity, FinnLaw}
Scum, in order of strength

{Grib, Scripten, BBT, Pine}
Town, no order.

No read on the Mathdino yet. Gut tells me to read him as town but ehhhhhhhhhh

Giving reads without any reason for them, can't even explain.your scum reads.

Now let's hang jiffy

[Beck]

Not to mention you have not followed your own flowchart that you are so well known for

[Beck]

I also note that with exception to my reads list, every single quote you just dragged up occurred

long after

you voted me.

Which means you're retroactively trying your hardest to fit a case to your vote where one doesn't exist.

With misrepresentations and out-right untruths as highlighted above.

Where did I vote you exactly?

[Beck]

I just finished up an off-site game that was eating up all my free time. My presence site-wide should return to normal levels.

Making up reasons to lurk

The quote is

literally

the exact opposite.

I was busy corralling town to lynch itself in a mountainous game with 24 hour days and no nightkills or nightphases after Day 4.

I dominated, decimated, and feel like a king. So I don't want to hear your shit.

Clogging the thread with non game related content

One post: Now clogging threads!

Produce something to analyze... Like maybe working on building a wagon on my top scumread

Telling people to do things that you aren't doing yourself

I'm... voting you.

Like, this very moment.

{Beck, Insanity, FinnLaw}
Scum, in order of strength

{Grib, Scripten, BBT, Pine}
Town, no order.

No read on the Mathdino yet. Gut tells me to read him as town but ehhhhhhhhhh

Giving reads without any reason for them, can't even explain.your scum reads.

Can't and won't are two different things.

1. Sorry, making excuses to explain your already lurking
2. You have more than 1 non game related post..
3. I was referring to producing something useful, also build a wagon. 2 things you can't seem to do but town majiffy could
4. Can't/won't are both things that apply to scum, town would never purposefully withhold info, and town will certainly try to provide info.

[Beck]

Also how did I know you were going to use that retroactively bullshit. You ask for a case or quotes and immediately discard it as "retroactive trying to fit a case bullshit" that doesn't come from town either

[Beck]

And since we are talking about retroactivity, why did you scumread Beck

before

he started supporting your lynch?

Chainsaw detected ITT.

Even if I give you an answer, you're not going to accept it anyway, are you? You've already cemented yourself to MajiffyScum.

Ooh jiffy got burned at his own game.

[Beck]

Vote me or jiffy, any other lynch will just make a mess of things

[Beck]

vote: majiffy

That's L-1

[Beck]

Scripten, that's the wrong wagon.

No, you are on a town wagon

[Beck]

Your response to "how is he town" is to ask how is he scum?

[Beck]

Lurking, refsual to explain reads, refusal to scum hunt (showing up and saying so and so are scum isn't scum hunting), slinging mud, grasping as straws.

All why majiffy is scum

[Beck]

And if he's town, he's playing against his win condition.