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Post Post #2075 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:42 am

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In post 2070, Scripten wrote:Fine, question extends to the rest of you lot, then. Boon fakeclaim more likely to be town- or scum-motivated?

If it's fake? Scum.
Don't want to bother lynching him now anyway.
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Post Post #2076 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:47 am

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In post 2054, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2049, T S O wrote:Because the way the argument inevitably goes is I make my case on Axle, you say I'm wasting my time, we back-and-forth, I lose the argument and end up sheepishly voting Peregrine.

I, as I've said before, am both too highly-strung and too busy to do that.

That is meaningless - the only issue is whether or not you think I'm right about the wagon states and the needs of town.
If I am, you should join me.
If not, you should tell me to sod off.
The only way there is a middle point is if you have no idea - and if you have no idea you shouldn't get pissy about it.


It's not as black and white as that.

I'm scumreading Pere, but not as strongly as others, who I'd prefer dead.
But I'm not articulate enough to argue what I believe. Maybe that's because what I believe is intrinsically flawed. I'm not sure.
This conversation has already happened once this game - I'm willing to vote Pere, as shown when I did.
My personal viewpoint is that vanity wagon votes are acceptable at this point in the game (or were.) Yours is that they're not.
I don't think I can win that argument, so I irritably didn't bother.

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"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #2077 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:49 am

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No.
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Post Post #2078 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:57 am

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I hate this game so much.

What's your problem?
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #2079 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:03 am

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Egg stop walling pls
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Post Post #2080 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:05 am

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I think those were his ketchup posts.

They were a little daunting, but I mustard up the courage to tackle them.
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Post Post #2081 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:11 am

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In post 2052, Egg wrote:It just feels like you've had a lot of "Thor is scum because <Insert Weak Jab>" where weak jab turns out to be a joke. What are your serious and strong reasons for scum reading Thor?

Where have I said I have strong reasons for scumreading Thor? I think his tone is off.

I thought I'd made all that pretty clear.

In post 2063, Egg wrote:
Goodmorning wrote:Almost never. I find I get lost in them.
Of all my games, I've played 5 Larges. This is only the second one I've started and the first one I've begun as a single player.
Graveyard Shift (replaced in fairly late because interesting mechanic)
NY 169 (replaced in because Cabd asked nicely)
Shadows and Lights (inned as hydra because Noctan needed a partner and I felt bad)
Lord of the Rings (replaced in about halfway through because I like the source and lots of people were dead)
Author Mafia (replaced in because big names and TS ELIOT WHAT)
This is my 6th Large in 2 years. Make of that what you will.

What made you join this one?

Aegor asked nicely.

In post 2064, Egg wrote:Oh, and I debated a little on whether I should do this, but I see a lot of discussion on it and it's already out there and I kind of want to squash it.

I DOUBT VERY VERY SERIOUSLY THAT BOON IS A COP. I HAVE A REASON. I WILL NOT ELABORATE. I WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANYTHING ANYONE SAYS IN RESPONSE TO THIS.

lolololololololololololololol

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In post 2047, goodmorning wrote:There's a reason that we call transparency of thought process pro-Town.

really do tell
/sarcasm not @you well maybe but not.

Seeing how people are thinking means you can see if there are places where the logic is fuzzed or self-serving in any way. To say exactly what you're thinking and exactly why you think it, clearly and concisely, is far more convincing of others that you're Town than any argument, self-meta, or murky scumhunting.
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Post Post #2082 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:21 am

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VOTE: PeregrineV
UNVOTE: PeregrineV
..
VOTE: TSO
VOTE: TSO

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Post Post #2083 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:22 am

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no-one gives a fuck if you vote me
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #2084 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:24 am

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Why are you so certain in your townread on me gm?
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Post Post #2085 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:28 am

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In post 2084, TierShift wrote:Why are you so certain in your townread on me gm?

We've just come out of that game in which you were Scum. It's rooted in that.
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Post Post #2086 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:29 am

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In post 2083, T S O wrote:no-one gives a fuck if you vote me


You really dont read well.

no one gives fuck that you voted Pere for 8 seconds
until someone pointed out it was yuk.
and.... (tick tick whir)
Then you remembered Oh yeah I am supposed to be thinking Aneninen is scum for actual reasons....;

Well actually some might, but not much of a fuck.
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Post Post #2087 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:30 am

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still no-one gives a fuck
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #2088 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:33 am

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In post 2085, goodmorning wrote:
In post 2084, TierShift wrote:Why are you so certain in your townread on me gm?

We've just come out of that game in which you were Scum. It's rooted in that.


and you've never seen anyone roll scum twice in row, and think, <hmmm I had better play this one very differently?>

or

<gee I played crap in the last one I did this this and this wrong...>

now thats transparency, I know exactly what your thinking and why GM.
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Post Post #2089 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:34 am

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In post 2085, goodmorning wrote:
In post 2084, TierShift wrote:Why are you so certain in your townread on me gm?

We've just come out of that game in which you were Scum. It's rooted in that.

Well, I don't remember you reading me easily there.
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Post Post #2090 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:43 am

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In post 2039, Thor665 wrote:
As I have specifically said to you - he re-prhased away from the scumtell and into the debate of whether the game is or is not likely to be multiball which has nothing to do with my scumminess existing or not.

Because that is the case - he has said something he doesn't appear to believe and doesn't appear able to back up - yet IS STICKING TO HIS GUNS ON IT.

AND AS I HAVE SAID TO YOU...

I feel you don't understand my point Thor. The conversation diverted when he used the meta to back his argument up, do you disagree? are we talking about a different point? I feel that meta was required and believe you requested it if the argument then gets off track because of it then that happens it is not indicative of scum. Please can you provide quotes of what you are talking about if you think I am wrong as it is hard to know exactly what you are talking about.
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Post Post #2091 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:10 am

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Script, now that my brain feels better, you're right. I completely misunderstood you.

script wrote: Boon fakeclaim more likely to be town- or scum-motivated?


Boon claimed?

TSO, I have a weak scum read on you.

Script wrote:I think those were his ketchup posts.They were a little daunting, but I mustard up the courage to tackle them.


Correct. I mayo may not have to do it again later.

Goodmorning, I had the impression Thor was your biggest scum read, or at least close. And I assumed there would be strong reasons why. Apparently I am mistaken.
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Post Post #2092 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:14 am

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In post 1822, Boonskiies wrote:Do you think it's obvious I'm a cop? I'd like to know how many people think that's obvious.


Somethin' like that.
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Post Post #2093 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:15 pm

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In post 2090, Slandaar wrote:I feel you don't understand my point Thor. The conversation diverted when he used the meta to back his argument up, do you disagree?

Yes. Because my initial issue was 'how is that scummy' and he segued into 'this shows you are wrong' and then hugged onto that like it meant something.
First off, I don't even think he managed to show I was wrong, second off, even if he did it was by a matter of inches, and thirdly - it still didn't show how I was scum in any way at all yet he keeps bringing it up. He wasn't backing up his argument - he was backing up a claim that was immaterial to the scumtell and never making an argument.

Do you think he ever actually supported his argument? Y/N?
If Yes - please quote it.
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Post Post #2094 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:16 pm

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In post 2078, T S O wrote:I hate this game so much.

What's your problem?

The playerlist, apparently.
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Post Post #2095 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:53 pm

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In post 2088, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 2085, goodmorning wrote:
In post 2084, TierShift wrote:Why are you so certain in your townread on me gm?

We've just come out of that game in which you were Scum. It's rooted in that.

and you've never seen anyone roll scum twice in row, and think, <hmmm I had better play this one very differently?>

or

<gee I played crap in the last one I did this this and this wrong...>

now thats transparency, I know exactly what your thinking and why GM.

He was in four scumgames at once at the time. Seeing the foundations of someone's game buckle a bit from exhaustion is sort of illuminating.
I certainly wasn't thinking that it was too improbable to be true, if that's what you meant. Million-to-one chances seem to crop up nine times out of ten.

In post 2089, TierShift wrote:
In post 2085, goodmorning wrote:
In post 2084, TierShift wrote:Why are you so certain in your townread on me gm?

We've just come out of that game in which you were Scum. It's rooted in that.

Well, I don't remember you reading me easily there.

I didn't, but I definitely learnt something from it.

In post 2091, Egg wrote:Goodmorning, I had the impression Thor was your biggest scum read, or at least close. And I assumed there would be strong reasons why. Apparently I am mistaken.

He definitely is, and the reason is strong to me, but as I said, I don't expect it to convince anyone else. Apparently you are forgetting what I've posted. (not surprisingly, considering the amount of WORDS that have taken place thus far).
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Post Post #2096 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:14 pm

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Seems like you'd want to convince us to lynch your top scum read. That's kind of townplay101.
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Post Post #2097 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:39 pm

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@GARMR

In post 1908, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 1856, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 1851, Garmr wrote:Because Tso is being Tso.


also I am a little intrigued.

When Aneninen said that is just Bonnskies being Boonskies he was referring to a thing that happened.

Your statement seems to be more open ended. (aka:
Do you think the whole TSO filter is TSO being TSO?
)

Is that an unequivocal town read by you on TSO as, TSO is being TSO
?
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Post Post #2098 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:08 pm

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In post 2096, Egg wrote:Seems like you'd want to convince us to lynch your top scum read. That's kind of townplay101.

Are you suggesting that Scum-me would not want my top scumread lynched? Because that's not really a very good argument.

No, I can wait. Someone like Cabd will eventually replace in and agree with me if I'm right, and then we can watch the cults of personality duelling which will be super interesting.

Well, that's vaguely how 169 worked anyway. Nobody had much of a case on him there either beyond the fact that he was hiding behind their hydra dissonance. And badfeels. Glorious feelings.

Come to think of it, I should go back and see how Thor reacted to me in that game, though I suspect I mightn't get much out of it given that the outing as Mason wasn't too subtle.

Man I was obsessed with them.
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In post 1290, goodmorning wrote:I could go through it and explain why I find [Fonz's singular content post] underwhelming but 1. WORDS and 2. Thor would probably butt in afterwards.

Spoiler: the post in question
In post 1227, The Fonz wrote:
In post 810, Egg wrote:Alright, one more short burst. Getting tired though.

Muffin's attack on Pere reads fake. Doesn't mean Pere is town if muffin is scum though. There's always the chance of tow scum groups, SK, or distancing/bussing.


I'd really like you to unpack this, because Muffin's PerV push feels like the best push I've seen in this game. It rubs me up the wrong way that you attack another player's vote on the wagon you're on in a way that explicitly calls the attacking player scum, but then bend over backwards to point out this doesn't weaken your vote on the wagon in any way.

On that note, think PerV is scummy, mostly on the basis of the muffin case, not the Thor case. Thor needs to stop arguing with scum reads, and OH MY GOD when PerV said 'Let's re-start' I thought he meant move past that argument, not bloody well let's have the same argument all over again. It is mildly suspicious that PerV pointed out the potential 'slip' in Thor then admitted he didn't think slipping is something Thor would do as soon as he's challenged on it.

Scripten's gut town. I think Izariael is town who genuinely believes a 'strong null read' is a thing (LOL). Davesaz is really glaringly posting lots of IIoA. Newbie though. Consider this a warning to be more proactive. Nero's playing a very safe game, wouldn't have a problem lynching him, but PerV is better.

In post 861, T S O wrote:that readslist is realllly surface deep, goes through just about every cliche there is and fencesits on some people

in other words, Aneninen is still scum.


Do you expect a readlist on day one of a large to have non-fencesitty opinions on everyone? I mean, LOATPs are kinda generally bad unless doing PoE. But still.

On Boon, the point is that if he's town, scum now knows he's not vanilla anyway. But there's the risk that if he's scum, he's sliding by on a non-specific power claim. I'd lean no claim, just because I think he seems like a bad enough player that not knowing whether he has a major or minor PR if he's town is a significant problem for scum. Bullets to the face of people who have hinted power are bad. *Cough*Thor*Cough*

In post 1121, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 1119, The Fonz wrote:At p20. Two things.

Csareo was scumhunting derpily. One of those last two words is alignment relevant.

My predecessor's Nero vote was decent, but I'm going to
Vote: PeregrineV
because holy shit was #385 bad.

Why/how was it bad?

I see
skating over stuff (not deep thoughts for PereV)
What was the intent?
Too much is funny? (more room for fun when you know alignments?)


Primarily, calling Aneninen's voting reason 'fake' yet doing jack shit about this. Questions TSO's obviously not-serious vote. The only other part of that post that is in any way content is in saying Csareo's posts are 'refreshingly direct' when he kind of hints that he might have a problem with Thor but asks an empty question instead, the obvious answer to which is 'because he's fucking terrible.' It's a glaring filler post.

Other reasons why I'm happy with this: 385 is followed by a post taking issue with Garmr calling Csareo 'town with high chance of idiocy.' Note, not saying anything about the actual read, but objecting to the characterisation as a derp. This is while, as Muffin points out, he's voting Scrip. #501 is a list of all the players far too early to actually have a read on everyone. Combine the LOATP with the silent vote, and he's trying to look like he's posting a decent amount of content, but doing nothing to advance the game. Basically Muffin's #521 is excellent. Then he spends basically the rest of the game to date arguing with Thor but not voting him. His vote has been parked for 35 pages.

Note also PerV calling Boonskies "Probably scum" in #501 and doing
precisely jack shit
about this before and since. Explanation in #501 of Scripten suspicion also doesn't tally with it being just a sheep (it's also semantics). If the reasoning in #501 was real, why didn't he provide it when previously asked instead of going 'it was a sheep?' This is particularly bad since he attacked Thor by accusing him of doing exactly that in #571.

So let's break this up. We'll start with the reads thing.

Spoiler: Fonz's 'reads' extrapolated and discussed
? = read not explicitly stated

Muffin - Town? "Muffin's PerV push feels like the best push I've seen in this game."
Did Muffin even push Pere? I was under the impression that Muffin was sheeping Thor on that.

Went and looked; is "these are scumposts"; is "why are you scumhunting in places other than where your vote is" which is not a good argument at all imo; is "your vote sucks"; and is "you sheeped Izariael and then didn't bother backing it up after you read the game" which is fine but a bit lacking given that this is Pere we're talking about. Then some semantic arguments which no.
Better than my "case" and Thor's by far, but by no means would I say it's "the best."
Muffin is bussing Anen anyways based on but whatever.

Pere - scummy. (note that this is not quite the same thing as "Scum") "On that note, think PerV is scummy, mostly on the basis of the muffin case, not the Thor case."
See above for that discussion. There's lots of Pere stuff at the end too but I'll touch on that a little later.

Egg - Scum/Lean Scum? paraphrasing: Egg: Muffin's Pere stuff looks fake. Fonz: don't call it fake, modified chainsaw omg.
Fonz doesn't really discuss why finding another player's argument/vote on a wagon you're on bad "rubs [him] up the wrong way." I really don't think it makes sense. It's like those people who get weirded out when their scumreads vote for each other, only that doesn't make sense either.

Scripten - Town. "Scripten's gut town."
It's a gut read. That hardly counts.

Izariael - Town.
There's no real reason given here.

Dave - iffy? "Davesaz is really glaringly posting lots of IIoA. Newbie though. Consider this a warning to be more proactive."
ugh gross
take a fucking stance

Nero - iffy? "Nero's playing a very safe game, wouldn't have a problem lynching him"
BUT IS HE SCUM TO YOU???

So there are some reads expressed and some reads one can extrapolate, but how many of them are actually
useful
?
Muffin and Pere. That's it.
He gave 3 reads. We can extrapolate 4 more. That's 1/3 of the playerlist. Only 2 of those reads are useful, and only 1 of those 2 is a read he actually stated.
Now, the Pere read is incredibly detailed. But there are no details provided on others. 13 people are ignored whilst more than half a wallpost is dedicated to making a thorough case on the leading wagon. Why? (Hint: it's ass-covering)

Now to discuss the middle section: he asks TSO "did you expect a D1 readslist in a large to not be fencesitty?"
This question is later characterised as "question[ing] TSO over Anen"
That looks like an exaggeration to me. Why exaggerate?

He also takes a paragraph to talk about whether or not Boon should fullclaim and I can't even.

Who was it that was calling this post contentful? Because all I see is ass-covering, wishywashiness, and WORDS.
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