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Post Post #7600  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:16 am

The irony in that title would be that it could actually be like the WIFOM scene with the poison.

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Post Post #7601  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:07 am

I still plan to run "Would you like to be my neighbor?" AKA Culdasac but here are some other Ideas I am kicking around

Neighbor's Dilemma

Based on a setup VP Balter once ran
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 24&t=16681

1 Town Neighbor with Town Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Odd SK Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Even SK Neighbor

Odd SK PM
You are an Odd SK Neighbor. You can only kill on odd nights when there are 4 or more people alive in the game. When 3 or less are alive, you can kill on any night. At night you may talk with XXX who is a Town Neighbor. You win when all other players are eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent this


Even SK PM
You are an Even SK Neighbor. You can only kill on even nights when there are 4 or more people alive in the game. When 3 or less are alive, you can kill on any night. At night you may talk with XXX who is a Town Neighbor. You win when all other players are eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent this

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1 Town Neighbor with Mafia Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Mafia Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Town Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Town Neighbor
1 Friendly Neighbor

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Post Post #7602  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:03 am

Actually I think I have the perfect name already :)

Culdasac
9 Town Neighbors
2 Mafia Neighbors

At start of game everyone is assigned a random house number. Player in house 1 is neighbors with player in house 2 and 12. Player in house 2 is neighbors wth player in house 1 and 3. And so on so every player has two people they can talk to at night. Yes it is possible for one mafioso to be neighbors with another mafioso should the dice allow it

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Neighbor's Dilemma

Based on a setup VP Balter once ran
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 24&t=16681

1 Town Neighbor with Town Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Odd SK Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Even SK Neighbor

Odd SK PM
You are an Odd SK Neighbor. You can only kill on odd nights when there are 4 or more people alive in the game. When 3 or less are alive, you can kill on any night. At night you may talk with XXX who is a Town Neighbor. You win when all other players are eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent this


Even SK PM
You are an Even SK Neighbor. You can only kill on even nights when there are 4 or more people alive in the game. When 3 or less are alive, you can kill on any night. At night you may talk with XXX who is a Town Neighbor. You win when all other players are eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent this

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Would You Like to be my Neighbor Mafia

1 Town Neighbor with Mafia Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Mafia Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Town Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Town Neighbor
1 Friendly Neighbor


BBmolla you are welcome to backup me on any of these
I technically have modded 1 mini and 9RITP will be my first micro on site
So me modding the two micros here too, should qualify me to run the 11 player theme Culdasac

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Post Post #7603  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:06 am

neighbour's dilemma has no informed minority though. makes it pretty hard on town.

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Post Post #7604  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:52 am

Depends on if consider the SK's an informed minority or not

If not, then you are right. The other setups are likely better in hindsight

I might not run Neighbors Dilemma in normal micro queue as I doubt its considered normal. Might run on a marathon day though
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Post Post #7605  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:17 pm

...I'm confused

Did you forget to include some town neighbors in Neighbor's Dilemma?

And yeah, not mafia.

Would you like to be my neighbor looks really fun.

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Post Post #7606  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:25 pm

1 Town Neighbor with Town Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Odd SK Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Even SK Neighbor


may be easier to look at it as:
4 town neighbors
1 odd SK neighbor
1 even sk neighbor

1 Town Neighbor with Odd SK Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Even SK Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with another Town Neighbor

But yes I can see why you guys say its not mafia. Part of me still wants to think it is as I came up with the setup and WITP recently got deemed not mafia but I guess on the bright side, they can both be run in mishmash or on marathon day
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Post Post #7607  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:34 pm

Parallel Poison

11 Players
2 Mafia Goons
9 Vanilla Townies


  • Mafia do not have factional nightkill, instead a two target factional poison which causes both players to die the next night.
  • Mafia may no poison, or choose to only poison one.
  • Poisoned players are informed they are poisoned.
  • Town have a normal vote along with a HEAL: player vote. The heal vote removes any poison from the target player.

Scumsided. Need to think on it.
Last edited by BBmolla on Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:12 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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Post Post #7608  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:10 pm

You should add that players know they are poisoned but ok

I don't think it's too scumsided tbh, it removes scum's ability to remove the strongest town player reliably.

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Post Post #7609  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:52 pm

In post 7608, TierShift wrote:You should add that players know they are poisoned but ok

I don't think it's too scumsided tbh, it removes scum's ability to remove the strongest town player reliably.

That's actually a really good point. What do you think ideal numbers are then? Is 2:7 fine?

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Post Post #7610  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:10 pm

Well, town usually has no fucking clue who their strongest town player is...so I don't think it will change town winrate by much. 9v2 looks okay, not really sure why you went for 10v2.

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Post Post #7611  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:13 pm

k changed

now just get reinoe or one of the three other people who actually like mountainous to run it

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Post Post #7612  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:00 pm

Been playing around with a C9++ variant...

Unusual Roles

Police Chief - Gets "Is a Cop" or "Is not a Cop". Result is not alignment determinant
Dirty Cop - No power. Checks as a cop to Police Chief

six coinflips are done, setup varies per results:

0 Heads: 2x Town One Shot Cop, 2x Mafia Goon, 1x Mafia Dirty Cop
1 Heads: 1x Town Cop, 1x Town One Shot Cop, 1 Mafia Godfather, 2x Mafia Goon
2 Heads: 1x Town Cop, 1x Town One Shot Cop, 1x Town Police Chief, 1 Mafia Dirty Cop, 1x Mafia Framer, 1x Mafia Goon
3 Heads: 2x Town Cop, 1x Town Police Chief, 1x Town Miller, 1 Mafia Role Cop, 1 Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
4 Heads: 1x Town Cop, 2x Town One Shot Cop, 1x Town Miller, 1x Mafia Godfather, 1x Mafia Role Cop, 1x Mafia Dirty Cop
5 Heads: 2x Town Cop, 2x Town Police Chief, 1x Mafia Police Chief, 1x Mafia Framer, 1x Mafia Goon
6 Heads: 1x Town Cop, 1x Town One Shot Cop, 1x Town Police Chief, 2x Mafia Dirty Cop, 1x Mafia Role Cop

Needs work, but could be interesting.
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Post Post #7613  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:03 pm

In post 7596, wgeurts wrote:
Anarchy16 player
Mafia Vigilante
Mafia Arsonist
Mafia Poisoner

Bulletproof Doctor
Poisonproof Poison-Doctor
Fireproof Fire Fighter
Tracker
Fruit Vendor
8 VT's


  • Doctor only stops vigilante kills.
  • Poison-Doctor and fire fighter can also stop the kill on the night of the death.
  • Poison kills the night after it is given.
  • Arsonist can set alight all players as many time per game as he wants but can't douse on the same night.
  • Players aren't informed that they are doused/poisoned.
  • Mafia have no faction kill.

Debating wether to make the immunities x-shot.


This could be interesting but I think it may be a little better if you just make all kills happen overnight (just flavored) because there is really no good reason for scum to use anything but "vig" kill. Just basically three mafia members and a doctor that protects against each kill type instead.

Fruit Vendor is just a named townie, seems out of place. Tracker is strong, but fine.
A child believes a lie because they know no better
A grown adult sees the lie because it fails to line up with experience
In this way a child's story can be so many different experiences
With enough subtext, a thing made for a child becomes an entirely different world to an adult.

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Post Post #7614  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:44 pm

In post 7612, LlamaFluff wrote:Been playing around with a C9++ variant...

Unusual Roles

Police Chief - Gets "Is a Cop" or "Is not a Cop". Result is not alignment determinant
Dirty Cop - No power. Checks as a cop to Police Chief

six coinflips are done, setup varies per results:

0 Heads: 2x Town One Shot Cop, 2x Mafia Goon, 1x Mafia Dirty Cop
1 Heads: 1x Town Cop, 1x Town One Shot Cop, 1 Mafia Godfather, 2x Mafia Goon
2 Heads: 1x Town Cop, 1x Town One Shot Cop, 1x Town Police Chief, 1 Mafia Dirty Cop, 1x Mafia Framer, 1x Mafia Goon
3 Heads: 2x Town Cop, 1x Town Police Chief, 1x Town Miller, 1 Mafia Role Cop, 1 Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
4 Heads: 1x Town Cop, 2x Town One Shot Cop, 1x Town Miller, 1x Mafia Godfather, 1x Mafia Role Cop, 1x Mafia Dirty Cop
5 Heads: 2x Town Cop, 2x Town Police Chief, 1x Mafia Police Chief, 1x Mafia Framer, 1x Mafia Goon
6 Heads: 1x Town Cop, 1x Town One Shot Cop, 1x Town Police Chief, 2x Mafia Dirty Cop, 1x Mafia Role Cop

Needs work, but could be interesting.

I think you could make it more interesting by making it like more traditional C9++ with generating numbers and such. Just seems inelegant right now.

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Post Post #7615  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:50 pm

Double Lyncher Nightless 9p

9 Players
2 Mafia Goons
1 Double Lyncher
6 Vanilla Townies


  • Nightless
  • Lyncher targets are always town
  • Double Lyncher has two targets.
  • When one target is lynched, it is publicly announced.
  • When both targets are lynched, the game ends in a lyncher victory.
  • Lyncher and Mafia can not joint win. Lyncher wins in the case of a tie.

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Post Post #7616  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:54 am

Llama they all take a kill simultaneously but your comment got me thinking on another setup.
Elements1 Fire Mafia
1 Water Mafia
1 Earth Mafia

3 Elemental Doctors
1 Tracker
9 VT's


  • Mafia have 2 factional night-kills. If only 1 member remains he then targets 2 targets.
  • An Elemental Doctor protects someone as well as naming one of the three elements. The doctor will only protect kills from that element and is immune to that element that night.
  • Elememts are excluded from the mafia role description when they flip, so only Mafia will be told.

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Post Post #7617  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:02 am

Another version could be:
Elements1 Fire Vigilante
1 Water Vigilante
1 Earth Vigilante

1 Fire Doctor
1 Water Doctor
1 Earth Doctor
1 Macho Tracker
9 VT's


  • The doctors are immune to their element and only protect from their mafia counter-part kills.
  • All mafia take their kill each night.
  • Mafias element is revealed on death

Thoughts?
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Post Post #7618  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:03 am

In post 7613, LlamaFluff wrote:
In post 7596, wgeurts wrote:
Anarchy16 player
Mafia Vigilante
Mafia Arsonist
Mafia Poisoner

Bulletproof Doctor
Poisonproof Poison-Doctor
Fireproof Fire Fighter
Tracker
Fruit Vendor
8 VT's


  • Doctor only stops vigilante kills.
  • Poison-Doctor and fire fighter can also stop the kill on the night of the death.
  • Poison kills the night after it is given.
  • Arsonist can set alight all players as many time per game as he wants but can't douse on the same night.
  • Players aren't informed that they are doused/poisoned.
  • Mafia have no faction kill.

Debating wether to make the immunities x-shot.


This could be interesting but I think it may be a little better if you just make all kills happen overnight (just flavored) because there is really no good reason for scum to use anything but "vig" kill. Just basically three mafia members and a doctor that protects against each kill type instead.

Fruit Vendor is just a named townie, seems out of place. Tracker is strong, but fine.




Penguin_Alien's "one and done" micro worked sort of like this but as oneshots.
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Post Post #7619  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:04 am

This is is large so no one-shots.

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Post Post #7620  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:09 am

It's breakable.

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Post Post #7621  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:25 am

In post 7620, Riddleton wrote:It's breakable.

How?

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Post Post #7622  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:28 am

In post 7617, wgeurts wrote:Another version could be:
Elements1 Fire Vigilante
1 Water Vigilante
1 Earth Vigilante

1 Fire Doctor
1 Water Doctor
1 Earth Doctor
1 Macho Tracker
9 VT's


  • The doctors are immune to their element and only protect from their mafia counter-part kills.
  • All mafia take their kill each night.
  • Mafias element is revealed on death

Thoughts?


Its interesting in theory at least, off the top of my head it could actually balance. Maybe its best to essentially say its same as Doctor + 2 Named Town + Tracker for that purpose against a three goon team as I think its exceedingly unlikely for town to successfully block a scum kill.
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In this way a child's story can be so many different experiences
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Post Post #7623  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:35 am

Ok and thoughts on the first one?
Although it's unlikely to block it is possible.

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Post Post #7624  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:54 am

Because its gg for towm when 1 scu, dies and the three flavour docs remain

2 docs cross protect. So basically BP.

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