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Post Post #2875  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:15 pm

Flubber, what did you think of Boon's vote on Thor?
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso" -Marquis

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Post Post #2876  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:30 pm

VOTE: Boonskiies

His last four posts and Flubber's fakeclaim meta () are the tipping points for me. :igmeou:
I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.

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Post Post #2877  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:44 pm

In post 2875, T S O wrote:Flubber, what did you think of Boon's vote on Thor?


It's why I'm willing to do regretful things to be a triple voter.

I like my vote on dave but I'm not going to throw a boring shitfit if nobody else seems to like it.

@Thor a little more detail on why he is town would be nice though.

VOTE: Boonskiies

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Post Post #2878  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:10 pm

In post 2876, Izariael wrote:VOTE: Boonskiies

His last four posts and Flubber's fakeclaim meta () are the tipping points for me. :igmeou:

I haven't caught up yet, but this shit needs lynching.
Flubber"s 2870 should NOT be a reason for you to vote boon. Boon's last 4 posts are not scummy to me. Please explain how they are.

VOTE: iza

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Post Post #2879  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:43 pm

Votecount 2.2

[4]Boonskiies: AxleGreaser, T S O, Izariael, Flubbernugget
[3]AxleGreaser: Garmr, Nero Cain, davesaz
[2]Shiro: Thor665, Slandaar
[2]Thor665: goodmorning, Boonskiies
[1]Garmr: Scripten
[1]Izariael: TierShift

[5] Not Voting: beastcharizard, GrayFoxxxx, Muffin, Shiro, The Fonz

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline: (expired on 2014-11-19 18:27:52)

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Post Post #2880  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:48 pm

In post 2877, Flubbernugget wrote:@Thor a little more detail on why he is town would be nice though.

Put together a scum case on him and maybe I'll bother.

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Post Post #2881  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:51 pm

Thor, how would you feel about an iza lynch?

The townread in question is boon, right?

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Post Post #2882  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:54 pm

In post 2854, T S O wrote:That comment was incredibly obviously about scum-TSO in multiball, given he would have a Cop clear on at least 2 people as his scumbuddies.


nice try
and that would make you no more competent at catching scum, on the other team as they now form a smaller fraction of the remaining players.

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Post Post #2883  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:55 pm

In post 2881, TierShift wrote:Thor, how would you feel about an iza lynch?

The townread in question is boon, right?

1. I would not oppose it and would probably be mildly supportive of it.

2. As far as I'm aware it's Brian - if it's Boon then...well, I would suppose my original answer stands except I have no better town case to offer.

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Post Post #2884  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:57 pm

There's a brian in this game? :o

I should read.

So uh, you townread boon?

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Post Post #2885  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:58 pm

Oh god the axle tso shitstorm is still going strong

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Post Post #2886  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:59 pm

In post 2862, Slandaar wrote:I think TSO always acts. But ignoring that; I don't think the act he is using makes him scum.


The act is why, his reads were based as they were and your tell less relevant than it sometimes is.
The act was to slam at perceived weaker players, never state actually why they were scummy, (as opposed to bad (ergo weaker players)) and never look back.
Lots of bravado
In post 1113, T S O wrote:hardball


No substance. (especially none that can be refuted as it fails to reference specific examples.)

Safe.

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Post Post #2887  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:05 pm

In post 2884, TierShift wrote:There's a brian in this game? :o


He means Dave.

I don't know why.

Don't ask.

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Post Post #2888  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:16 pm

In post 2884, TierShift wrote:So uh, you townread boon?

I do - I have said so a few times and have not changed my opinion.

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Post Post #2889  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:25 pm

I'm warning you, thor. You're getting scarily close to.a townread!

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Post Post #2890  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:26 pm

Is a town read bad?

Also sorry for not posting. Life has been hectic.

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Post Post #2891  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:31 pm

In post 2872, Flubbernugget wrote:implies he's never really played as scum before.

i did not imply that
i have but offsite. see wiki.

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Post Post #2892  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:36 pm

In post 2860, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2855, goodmorning wrote:When I say "concrete," I don't mean running down a list with vague wishy-washiness. Assigning a value to someone is not a concrete stance, it's just a stance. Saying Garmr (for instance) is "Townish" - what does that even mean? Why is he townish? Your ISO mentions him once before that list. Meanwhile you wrote essays on Scripten but don't remember your read on him? Prior to your "Townish" read on Tier you'd fought with him about Izariael and it seemed to leave you cold. Where did that one come from?

So, concrete is "providing reasons" but you also don't like the other players I "provided reasons" on and will call that weak.
Them goalposts - they are a movin'

None of your Scripten essays took a hard stance on him; you mainly repeated "it's gut and I like his [4 gut] reads" a bunch of times.
Meanwhile I'm pointing out that you're being inconsistent and not doing much scumhunting and you're choosing to focus on semantics and attempting to paint my argument as fallacious.

In post 2861, Thor665 wrote:@GM - actually, go to a town game I'm in. Show me how I supplied "concrete" reads there per your current definition.
If you can I'll self-vote.

I'm not doing this for several reasons.
1. I don't hate myself that much.
2. You post SO MANY POSTS.
3. I don't want to.
4. It's not that relevant.
5. It's a waste of time and energy.
6. You wouldn't selfvote even if I did.
7. I wouldn't want you to selfvote even if I did.
8. You're going to waste time responding to this list instead of to my accusations because I've caught you and you think you can get out of it.

In post 2863, Slandaar wrote:
In post 2852, goodmorning wrote:I'm not interested in anyone else's opinion on what may or may not have been a slip. I am interested in clarifying Izariael's possible slip with Izariael only.

I will respond properly to this post at some point.
I find this line very very sly.

I found the line about you not having seen what I said very sly, considering you didn't see what Izariael said either.

In post 2864, Muffin wrote:I'm slowly but surely looking at the Pere wagon.

Maybe when you look at Thor you'll notice the utter lack of anything useful.

In post 2867, T S O wrote:I don't know if me "always acting" is a good thing or a bad thing.

Vote: Boonskiies

Your awful jump is, quite certainly, a bad thing.

TSO is Town and this post is a good thing.

In post 2870, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1511, Boonskiies wrote:God damn it. I'm not going to be able to keep checking up on this.

I'm at L-3 now. If I'm dead when I check up on this late tonight, whatever. I'm a PR. Do with it what you will. This town's helpless regardless, and this wagon is probably epicly scum driven.

At least in this game there's only one player I'm terrified of making it to lylo.

Hmmmm. That's not as similar as I was imagining it was, though there are some elements that match up.

In post 2878, TierShift wrote:
In post 2876, Izariael wrote:VOTE: Boonskiies

His last four posts and Flubber's fakeclaim meta () are the tipping points for me. :igmeou:

I haven't caught up yet, but this shit needs lynching.
Flubber"s 2870 should NOT be a reason for you to vote boon. Boon's last 4 posts are not scummy to me. Please explain how they are.

VOTE: iza

Tier. Tier I can't. Tier no. Tier don't do this shit. Not now.

In post 2889, TierShift wrote:I'm warning you, thor. You're getting scarily close to.a townread!

tier ffs why

why
EFFORT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENT
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Post Post #2893  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:46 pm

READSLIST UPDATE:
Players who are Town: GrayFoxxx, Garmr, TSO
Players who are not Town: Thor, Slandaar
Players who may be Town: Shiro, dave, Flubbernugget, Muffin
Players who may not be Town: Axle, Nero, Fonz, Tier
Players who may or may not be Town: Boonskiies, beastcharizard, Izariael, Scripten

As always, if you'd like an explanation of one of these and I haven't already given it, you're welcome to ask.
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Post Post #2894  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:09 pm

In post 2892, goodmorning wrote:I found the line about you not having seen what I said very sly, considering you didn't see what Izariael said either.

How would I see it in your hood qt?

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Post Post #2895  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:23 pm

In post 2876, Izariael wrote:VOTE: Boonskiies
His last four posts and Flubber's fakeclaim meta () are the tipping points for me. :igmeou:

The other three are... (also :( )
but
In post 2858, Boonskiies wrote:Alright then, let's vote Thor.
VOTE: Thor
Thor is the slot where I'm most curious about right now. Egg/Pere were town, and Egg was killed for a reason. A Thor lynch will tell us why.

vs
In post 2619, Boonskiies wrote:Thor's town. And it's multiball...


A towny player cant just be making unequivocal statements, and then later going "I am most curious about", lets lynch thor for information that then wont mean anything as the whole neighbour hood will be dead.

looks like ritual suicide...?

It is not a town way to play...of that I am sure.

but its sooooooo bad. To call it scum I have to say he's trying for too bad(boonskie) to be scum?


@Boonskie
Yo Boonskie. You may have claimed you didnt need to answer my earlier questions
Spoiler: outstanding questions
Question 1
In I pointed out: You exhibited implicit trust of what Gm says
In post 2752, Boonskiies wrote:Good morning thinks you scum slipped also.

yet had just recently FoS'd GM in
Explain why you cite the opinion of people you FoS, as if they are authority
TLDR: (You appealed to authority of person you FoS)

Question 2
Also asks you about your D1 claim about main subject of D2, and yet on D2 the details all change?

For me at minimum, you have renegged on the details of your D1 claim hinting,

your original soft claim hinty stuff is now of the form
"Boonskie claims he has a power role" other than that it is 100% open ended...
it may be investigative, protecive, killing or survival role, hell it could be masons, or scum
(things it cant be are limited to 3 shot self reviver... I hope)

but but you claimed its protective overnight... and yesterday you claimed your play to be the major topic of D2.
So that inconsistency could do with explaining too.

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Post Post #2896  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:40 pm

In post 2895, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 2858, Boonskiies wrote:Alright then, let's vote Thor.
VOTE: Thor
Thor is the slot where I'm most curious about right now. Egg/Pere were town, and Egg was killed for a reason. A Thor lynch will tell us why.

vs
In post 2619, Boonskiies wrote:Thor's town. And it's multiball...


A towny player cant just be making unequivocal statements, and then later going "I am most curious about", lets lynch thor for information that then wont mean anything as the whole neighbour hood will be dead.


This... is actually a fairly good point. Boonskiies, can you walk us through your thoughts or can someone tell me how this is not opportunistic as hell?

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Post Post #2897  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:54 pm

In post 2880, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2877, Flubbernugget wrote:@Thor a little more detail on why he is town would be nice though.

Put together a scum case on him and maybe I'll bother.


If you can't make a case without refuting mine there's a problem.

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Post Post #2898  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:29 pm

In post 2888, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2884, TierShift wrote:So uh, you townread boon?

I do - I have said so a few times and have not changed my opinion.


Well to be precise... (only changed in one direction and begrudgingly) and yes not recently

Earlier
Spoiler: Thor Said: It's obviously scummy though, so work with that
In post 136, Thor665 wrote:
In post 135, TobyLoby wrote:I don't think Boons anything is obvious.

It's obviously scummy though, so work with that.

and even though he had claimed
Spoiler: Thor Said: Boonskies was a fine lynch. && I'm indifferent on the claim && policy
In post 932, Thor665 wrote:I kind of feel I already said Boonskies was a fine lynch.
If I haven't, I'll say it now.
Considering the state of the Pere wagon though I'll simply note a bullet to his face would not leave me sad.

In post 871, Thor665 wrote:I'm indifferent on the claim - I leave it to Boon to make his wn value call. [...]

In post 937, Thor665 wrote:
In post 933, Boonskiies wrote:Are you suggesting that I'm policy lynch that you think I'm a fine lynch? I wasn't (still not completely) caught up with the thread so my posts couldn't have had actual content. There is absolutely no reason to lynch me other than a policy lynch at this point, so I'd like you to expand on your thought of why you feel I'd be a fine lynch please.

I find people consider policy lynch such a dirty little word...yet many of these same people defend themselves as unlynchable because they're not really providing content.

Hint - that makes it scummy. You're playing in a way to make yourself hard to lynch while also not providing help to town. That is scum play.
If it helps you disprove and dismiss my case you can call it 'policy'.
It is my policy to lynch scum.


later however (You claim your position has changed! begrudgingly)
Spoiler: Thor Said: begrudingly shifting to town due to Dave,
In post 1022, Thor665 wrote:Boonskiies - lurksack, begrudingly shifting to town due to Dave, but still a useless slot.


In post 1026, Thor665 wrote:2. Dave's point about theory scum Boon motivations. I agree with it.

In post 1291, Thor665 wrote:Boon - poor play, but don't want to lynch or see dead at this point and concider it worse play for scum (ergo - leaning town to some degree)

In post 2075, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2070, Scripten wrote:Fine, question extends to the rest of you lot, then. Boon fakeclaim more likely to be town- or scum-motivated?

If it's fake? Scum.
Don't want to bother lynching him now anyway.
Carry on.


Scanning daves earlier posts for the letters boon yields
none of those seem to be the reason. (did I miss one)

@Thor please indicate which post by dave made you town read Boon?




Spoiler: me shooting down my own paper tiger
In order to try and go faster, but NOT attribute things to you or dave I cant find.
I will make up problem i had with thinking Boons claim was fake D1.

The claim goes nowhere as a scum plan.
On subsequent days when he doesn't deliver or play consistently with his claims he will get lynched.
Thus as plan it seems dumb.
but its boon so whats the problem?

Also Boon, just successfully claimed D1 and rode it all the way home for the win.
I see no problem with Boon believing fake claiming D1 as scum is a good plan.
(especially if he does it different, superficially changes surrounding meta.)
I especially see no problem with it as he wanted all his focus on the other game he was at the time maybe riding home to an epic victory?
Fake claiming in this game, gave him an easy D1.
From his point of view if he becomes his teams sacrificial goat for later day Bussing action, then he could well have been fine with that.


So if dave or ??? (whatever changed begrudgingly your read) had better argument boon was town (due to "concider it worse play for scum") which post?

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Post Post #2899  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:30 pm

Well, I was basically just trying to see goodmorning's reaction from the vote. I've felt that it's hard to get into for me. A Thor lynch for me would be informational for me. People say he's scummy. They're paying more attention than I am. I'll believe you. I didn't really read like any of day 1. I just want a lynch to happen.
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