NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

[Thor665]

In post 3045, TierShift wrote:I don't think I want to lynch shiro either today.


Why not?

because I see no reason to and it seems like she is starting to get started on figuring things out
yes I said start twice

So you are townreading Shiro because Shiro is starting to look like she's doing "anything at all"?

[Garmr]

In post 3043, Shiro wrote:Which brings us back to why do you think it is scummy ?

My answer is that I would have to teach a concept before being able to answer that for you - so I choose not to.

Thor I like to learn new things if you explained a part of the method or just the name I'll go look the rest up myself.

[TierShift]

yeah, thor, you got that.

[reinoe]

@Boonskiies
Were you really trying to draw a NK by claiming 2-shot bulletproof?

@Thor
Who's scum?

@Flubber
Who's town

@Goodmorning
Why's Thor scum?

[Thor665]

Thor I like to learn new things if you explained a part of the method or just the name I'll go look the rest up myself.

It's a really deep concept - it's called "there was a wagon on town, I have town reads and not-town reads" and I'm also pretty sure scum liked the idea of deadline.
Do you actually need this explained?
Seriously people.

yeah, thor, you got that.

I would suggest that Shiro's activity can be directly connected to pressure on her.
Do you agree/disagree?
If you agree - why is that still a town read?
If you disagree - what do you see as the trigger for her current activity compared to the last week or two of Day 1?

@Reinoe - I am voting Shiro. Clearly i find her town. React appropriately.

[reinoe]

who ever is shooting from shooting him again.

what makes you think anyone is shooting him?

The way his acting about his claim makes me feel like something made him panic.

It's obviously a fake-claim, I think the panic is coming from people being familiar with him voting him. Although I've never heard of a mod telling someone that they've been shot when BP.

[reinoe]

davesaz might be scum.

[Shiro]

Thor....I replaced in 23/10 caught up at 25/10 Deadline was at 27/10 whichs weeks of day 1 do you speak of that I stayed silent ???

[Thor665]

I'm mixing you up with someone else in my head, clearly.

That said. You did take forever to say anything of worth - and then voted Pere out of the blue with no justification despite making a wall on Anen. That feels wonky to me.

[AxleGreaser]

For a guy complaining that I wasted his time - you seem unable to just assign a basic value to someone.

I wrote reply to your post and tried to squeeze my understanding of mafia into your linear scale.

Then I decided fuck it.

I have posted the reason I dont want to vote your wagon.

You wont even explain to me whether you mean placement as in order (timing)
placement as in which wagon

or something I have not thought of.

I don't have 100% town read on you,

fuck it.
My position on the lynch and reasons is clear.

Its way fucking clearer than yours, or TSOs was on Aneninen

tired of dancing

[AxleGreaser]

I'm mixing you up with someone else in my head, clearly.

WAT

[AxleGreaser]

I'm mixing you up with someone else in my head, clearly.

WAT

Ok I am over it
that is really kinda funny.

[Shiro]

@Thor....I caught up at 25/10 I started posting at 25/10

Wall of text about Anen at 26/10

If that is awfully long then I am sorry for not meeting your replace in on 92page long game timing standars.

As for the vote on Pere. Axl and re read on Anen ISO made me stop feeling off about Anen thus I found Pere the best option between You,Anen and Pere.

[Shiro]

Who did u even mix me up with ?

[Muffin]

I'm mixing you up with someone else in my head, clearly.

That said. You did take forever to say anything of worth - and then voted Pere out of the blue with no justification despite making a wall on Anen. That feels wonky to me.

Cute misrep.

Here's the "wall" in question, about Anen. I note without surprise that the first line explicitly shows Shiro's diminishing scumread on Anen. Given the proximity of deadline I do not see any internal inconsistency there.

Contrarily, you're now stretching the facts to fit your vote.

[Slandaar]

My point was that Scum Iz would be in a horrible place with both kills. Anen cause it attacts attention to him(like it did) Egg cause it makes Thor look horrible. if we assume it was a slip and Thor and Iz are scum buddies both kills attract attention to mafia

Wasn't scum IZ in a horrible place anyways? Who would scum IZ kill theoretically to not be in a horrible place?

The egg kill makes Thor look bad only when people assume there is scum in each of the hoods which no-one should be doing.

[Thor665]

@Axle - so you cannot state a read on Shiro then?

@Shiro - some other lurksack.

@Muffin - no, actually, there isn't a misrep there. Look at how many thoughts were posted about Anen. Then look at the same for Pere. Then look at the vote. That reads legit to you?

[AxleGreaser]

My point was that Scum Iz would be in a horrible place with both kills. Anen cause it attacts attention to him(like it did) Egg cause it makes Thor look horrible. if we assume it was a slip and Thor and Iz are scum buddies both kills attract attention to mafia

Wasn't scum IZ in a horrible place anyways? Who would scum IZ kill theoretically to not be in a horrible place?

The egg kill makes Thor look bad only when people assume there is scum in each of the hoods which no-one should be doing.

however interestingly a number of people have mentioned the idea, but far fewer join that dot.

[Boonskiies]

I claimed my role at not even at L-2, how is that a panic claim? Also, it's not similar to the one I did my tracker fake claim, as I claimed that one day 1, in a game where I was

much

more active than I was here. If I was scum for one of my first times, don't you think I'd be far more interested in this game than I was day 1? Also, it got to the point where I wasn't going to draw a NK anymore , so me claiming does nothing to change that.

Also, Gamr is sprouting fluff. We should lynch him. Or Iz.

VOTE: Gamr

[Nero Cain]

Yeah, I never said anything about a false dichotomy.

@town flubber is caught scum and continues to reply to me yet his replies have NOTHING to do with whats being said. town cred to the next 8 voters.

also I am not scum reading boons

You'll have to spell out why exactly this makes flubber scum. Be explicit.

Well, I think its a somewhat common scumtactic for scum to reply to a post but give answer that avoids the question. I felt as if his 2998 didn't make much sense as a reply to "why are you asking for thoughts about me?" If he, as he later states, concerned over the fact that we disagree over Boons why is he not asking for our cases against Boon and instead asking you about your thoughts on me? Maybe it does make sense and I am just not getting it. Maybe you can explain it to me.

How is 3011 holding up?

^^^^
taunting me.

I found flubs asking for opinions on me(his town read) to be strange. Explain what you think the town motivation is in that?

What is the scum motivation for that?

Its avoiding the question.

[Boonskiies]

The way Gamr is talking makes me feel he knows that I am actually telling the truth, and his role has some extra information. Who knows, maybe I was shot last night, and we have 3 kills a night in this game.

[AxleGreaser]

@Axle - so you cannot state a read on Shiro then?

Sure I can I just got it mixed up with someone else for a bit.
either that I or I accidentally swapped the words 'cannot' with 'don’t want to (out of spite/pique)'.

Shiro: Lean town.

(but with better than average chance of changing on not much)

However since when you asked
the recent observation of pops up when pressured mentioned but not looking for scum might be interesting.
I have not thought hard about that and its still in play. (this will now be part of that)

There is also feel read on a post I haven't sorted out.

[Garmr]

I claimed my role at not even at L-2, how is that a panic claim? Also, it's not similar to the one I did my tracker fake claim, as I claimed that one day 1, in a game where I was

much

more active than I was here. If I was scum for one of my first times, don't you think I'd be far more interested in this game than I was day 1? Also, it got to the point where I wasn't going to draw a NK anymore , so me claiming does nothing to change that.

Also, Gamr is sprouting fluff. We should lynch him. Or Iz.

VOTE: Gamr

No spouting fluff would be irrelevant to the current game state. What you meant to say is you don't agree with my points and think i'm saying them because you think that's what a scum me would say.

[Flubbernugget]

@Flubber
Who's town

Nero, teir, and maaaaaybe gm. everyone else that isn't scum is null.

[Muffin]

Who did u even mix me up with ?

@Shiro - some other lurksack.

In other words, you can't think of someone you can pin it on?

@Muffin - no, actually, there isn't a misrep there. Look at how many thoughts were posted about Anen. Then look at the same for Pere. Then look at the vote. That reads legit to you?

Prior to #2558, instances of "pere" in Shiro's ISO: 8
instances of "anen" in Shiro's ISO for the same period: 7

Seems like a misrep to me, bud. Flow of Shiro's thoughts are evident to me, and seem reasonable for someone w a town mindset.

You're doing a really bad job selling Shiroscum.