NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER
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Boonskiies That's Not All, Folks!
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If I was a SK, why the hell would I try to draw the NK's? I'd want other people to die."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Muffin Mafia Scum
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In post 3200, Boonskiies wrote:If I was a SK, why the hell would I try to draw the NK's? I'd want other people to die.
Since you admit you no longer think Thor is town, I would like you to vote him please.One's self-meta cannot be known without invalidating it.-
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Thor665 Papa Smurf
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In post 3198, Muffin wrote:I tried twice to look at quantity. You shot it down both times. Flimsily. So if it's not the two ways I've tried to show it quantitatively, and it's not qualitatively, then why can't you show evidence to back up your statements about Shiro?
Why not?
Stop dicking around with me.
I made a statement about amount.
You translated that to "number of times a name is mentioned"
Which - c'mon, dude, are you serious? No - tthat is obvious bull-hookey on your part.
Then, when I point that out - you shift to "percentage of posts...but I'll just count posts where the name is mentioned and pay no attention to the amount that each is actually discussed"
Again - what the heck? Why are you playing word games? You know that's not what I meant and are dicking around.
When I call you on THAT we go into this game where you claim I changed the goalposts to "quality".
Except I never did.
STOP PLAYING SMURF FACED GAMES.
Why are you doing this?
It is scummy, stupid, and annoying.-
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Thor665 Papa Smurf
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Vote: muffin
I'll invote when you start talking like town and not like a word game scum feeb.-
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In post 3203, Thor665 wrote:I got called out when I tried to push a completely weak-ass case on a newbie obvtown lurker, and now I'm feeling cornered so I'm voting the guy who called me on my bully tactics
okOne's self-meta cannot be known without invalidating it.-
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Thor665 Papa Smurf
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No - don't dodge that gak.
Respond to me with an actual response.
You can call me scum, but talk straight to me if you can.-
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Thor665 Papa Smurf
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It's funny that you're accussing me of dodging yet are unable to talk to me.
And by funny I mean stupid.-
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Thor665 Papa Smurf
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I'm not stuttering here - I expressed my issue and thoughts VERY clearly.
Yet you can't handle them?
BullSmurf.
You're faking.-
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T S O Survivor
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In post 3185, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 3155, Slandaar wrote:I mean the suspicion comes from the idea that scum can have a nervous/awkward entrance to the game hence both my argument there and TSO's being very similar in nature. Is it more likely from scum? yes I think so, is there any scum motivation? no.
and Id have been happier if TSO said that.
muffin you're really not winning this argument whatsoever.
dave go ahead and fucking vote me instead of softing that you're up for it. it's really scummy and it bugs the shit out of me too. cool? cool."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I don't believe in replacing out of games due to apathy unless utterly unavoidable, but my god have I considered it here."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Any timeline on that Goodmorning case yet, TSO?-
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Muffin Mafia Scum
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Okay, to recap:
Thor parks the vote on shiro for "mostly gut and wagon placement", doesn't elaborate on "wagon placement" and then sits on the vote for something like 15 pages
Spoiler: write him a citation
Shiro calls him on it and he goes with the "I was mistaken" defense
Spoiler: oops lol i was thinking of someone else
Shiro then posts the relevant dates to show that Thor was talking out his ass when he said Shiro was "taking forever". I decide to look into Thor's "case" against Shiro
Spoiler: Factual Stretch Armstrong
Thor claims "oh yeah it was someone else nameless" but can't say who he allegedly mixed shiro up with. Thor then says "look how many posts about Anen/Pere" which I took to mean quantity.
Spoiler: No it was the other other guy
So I go back and look at mentions
Spoiler: I just did a quick CTRL+F and found roughly equal number of mentions
Thor decides that's not good enough
Spoiler: Can anything appease him?
So I go back again and look at the number of posts as a whole that mention Pere or Anen (or both). Remember kids, all this is because Thor is asserting that Shiro disproportionately mentioned one over the other prior to voting Pere.
Spoiler: Why isn't he showing us this himself if he thinks my analysis is wrong?
Thor decides that no, this isn't good enough either:
Spoiler: Perfectionist my ass
And despite repeated prompts for him to just do his own analysis if he thinks mine is so bad....
Spoiler: He just won't. Like a stubborn child
So, dear town:
- I don't see any town motivation in refusing to post a summary of Shiro's posts, with his own analysis
- I don't see any town motivation in arguing semantics while refusing to do the above
- I do see scum motivation for both
Please vote Thor. It is a quality wagon and you should all sheep it for great justiceOne's self-meta cannot be known without invalidating it.-
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Muffin Mafia Scum
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In post 3207, Thor665 wrote:It's funny that you're accussing me of dodging yet are unable to talk to me.
And by funny I mean stupid.
In post 3208, Thor665 wrote:I'm not stuttering here - I expressed my issue and thoughts VERY clearly.
Yet you can't handle them?
BullSmurf.
You're faking.
Sweetheart, if you think the way I've interpreted Shiro's posts is wrong, then you should show an analysis of Shiro's posts that points to scum.
You can't. Why not?One's self-meta cannot be known without invalidating it.-
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TierShift Jack of All Trades
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In post 3211, Thor665 wrote:Any timeline on that Goodmorning case yet, TSO?
I thought he was still promising an Aneninen case? (aka the reasons he had yesterday that never materialised)-
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TierShift Jack of All Trades
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In post 3209, T S O wrote:muffin you're really not winning this argument whatsoever.
are you even reading-
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Izariael Goon
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In post 3216, TierShift wrote:In post 3209, T S O wrote:muffin you're really not winning this argument whatsoever.
are you even reading
This.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
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Thor665 Papa Smurf
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In post 3213, Muffin wrote:Sweetheart, if you think the way I've interpreted Shiro's posts is wrong, then you should show an analysis of Shiro's posts that points to scum.
You can't. Why not?
I've said I can.
That said - what I've ALSO said - is that I want you to explain the quality schtick.
Tell you what - you explain that (and, maybe, if I'm really lucky, toss in why you EVER thought I meant 'number of times a name was mentioned') and I'll explain my reasoning.
Deal?
Good.
Rock on. Blow me away.
In post 3214, TierShift wrote:mostly the 'I'm mixing you up with someone but I'm not telling who' is Smurf.
But yeah, grand summary.
Wait, so Tier
also;
@Iz
BOTH of you are totally happy with the way Muffin questioned this and how he skewed and turned wacky my statements?
Or - even funner - both of you think he didn't make any of my statements wacky and it's totally correct to think I meant 'number of times a name was mentioned' or that I also changed my story to quality over quantity when asked?
Both of you agree with that?
A simple y/n response is all I really want here.
@Tier - as to your original point. Let's say you're right. Let's say me not doing that is "messed up" in some manner.
How is it messed up in any way that matters?
Because, it's certainly not a scum plan.
So...what's the issue? The issue is that I'm not going back to find the name of a lurker I mistook as being Shiro? I mean, do you think that was an intentional misrep on my part? If so...weirdest scum plan ever. If not...then, as scum *or* town I could have made that mistake. So...yeah, what's your boggle?-
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In post 3200, Boonskiies wrote:If I was a SK, why the hell would I try to draw the NK's? I'd want other people to die.
Boonskiies, all I'm asking for is for you to explain why you claimed 2-SHOT BP, with an explanation besides "I'm a VI lolz".
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Thor665 Papa Smurf
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In post 3219, Izariael wrote:Yes.
Sweet - can you answer either of my questions to Muffin for him?
Show why he got that I had said quality over quantity?
Or show how it was reasonable for him to think that I meant "number of times a name was mentioned" as *any way sensible* as a means of measuring a metric of 'how much attention was paid a given slot'?
Since you agree with both, you clearly already understand both, yeah?-
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Thor665 Papa Smurf
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I'll even promise to answer Muffin's question to me in exchange for you answering for him.
Tier can also hop on this wagon - heck, if you answer first and Tier wants to sally in I'll even offer up a guess as to what Lurker I meant. It's an answer extravaganza!-
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TierShift Jack of All Trades
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In post 3218, Thor665 wrote:BOTH of you are totally happy with the way Muffin questioned this and how he skewed and turned wacky my statements?
The quotes provided are pretty objective.
I don't think much is wrong with his questioning and even if I did, the ends justify the means.
In post 3218, Thor665 wrote:@Tier - as to your original point. Let's say you're right. Let's say me not doing that is "messed up" in some manner.
How is it messed up in any way that matters?
Because, it's certainly not a scum plan.
So...what's the issue? The issue is that I'm not going back to find the name of a lurker I mistook as being Shiro? I mean, do you think that was an intentional misrep on my part? If so...weirdest scum plan ever. If not...then, as scum *or* town I could have made that mistake. So...yeah, what's your boggle?
The boggle is that you're avoiding to show who you were talking about, with it being asked multiple times and there not being a reason to withhold the information from us.
And now getting all defensive and asserting I said that messing two players up was a scum plan, which I never did.
Ehy is there such a big stick up your butthole?
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