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Post Post #1368 (isolation #0) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:33 pm

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happy birthday thor!
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Post Post #1666 (isolation #1) » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:12 pm

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Oh hey I got several pm's from people inviting me to play but you should also give someone a chance to WOTC me first. fyi.
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Post Post #3072 (isolation #2) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:15 am

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Hi everybody! Didn't read day one. Skimmed day two.
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Post Post #3078 (isolation #3) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:31 am

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@Boonskiies
Were you really trying to draw a NK by claiming 2-shot bulletproof?

@Thor
Who's scum?

@Flubber
Who's town

@Goodmorning
Why's Thor scum?
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Post Post #3080 (isolation #4) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:39 am

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In post 3059, Garmr wrote:
In post 3058, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 3053, Garmr wrote:who ever is shooting from shooting him again.


what makes you think anyone is shooting him?

The way his acting about his claim makes me feel like something made him panic.

It's obviously a fake-claim, I think the panic is coming from people being familiar with him voting him. Although I've never heard of a mod telling someone that they've been shot when BP.
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Post Post #3081 (isolation #5) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:43 am

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davesaz might be scum.
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Post Post #3174 (isolation #6) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:54 am

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In post 3078, reinoe wrote:
@Boonskiies
Were you really trying to draw a NK by claiming 2-shot bulletproof?

@Thor
Who's scum?

@Flubber
Who's town


@Goodmorning
Why's Thor scum?

Thanks Goodmorning!
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Post Post #3175 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:58 am

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In post 3065, TierShift wrote:I'm gonna say this: if boon flips SK, garmr is scum.

I don't understand how this works. How could you determine SK/Mafia associations? If you've successfully done this before can I get a link?


The davesaz scumread I have seems to be similar to the reasons Flubber is being scumread. I haven't ISO'd Flubbernugget yet though.

Also could someone ask me some questions? That'll help me get a better understanding of the game.
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Post Post #3178 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:21 am

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In post 3177, TierShift wrote:
In post 3175, reinoe wrote:I don't understand how this works. How could you determine SK/Mafia associations?

Only mafia who know it's not multiball could see boon's 2-shot bulletproof as a SK slip, as I've laid out.

But it's not uncommon for SK to be 1-shot bulletproof or full bulletproof. 2-shot bulletproof isn't a stretch to be SK at all.
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Post Post #3183 (isolation #9) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:01 am

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In post 3179, TierShift wrote:so...you're assuming boon truthfully claims his role as SK?


If he's already pm'ed the mod and know he's immune to cops sure why not? He's immune to gunsmiths. His BP claim will look legit to rolecops. A SK can last a long time in a large by just being UTR and by claiming BP he can avoid scum kills. My concern is that he claims BP in order to draw a NK. That makes 0 sense even from a VI p.o.v. It's all WIFOM but I want Boon to explain it with an excuse besides "oh yeah I'm a VI lolz". Town BP have every incentive to deliberately draw kills. That's literally a town BP's job. Attempt to draw a NK. Now I'm not sure how someone actually does that but "herp a derp I'm VI lolz" is not one of them.
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Post Post #3220 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:11 pm

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In post 3200, Boonskiies wrote:If I was a SK, why the hell would I try to draw the NK's? I'd want other people to die.

Boonskiies, all I'm asking for is for you to explain why you claimed 2-SHOT BP, with an explanation besides "I'm a VI lolz".

Also,
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who's town and why?
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Post Post #3239 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:02 pm

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In post 3225, Boonskiies wrote:@Reinoe - I claimed town 2 shot bulletproof neighbor because that is what my role pm says. I had like five votes on me for reasons. I was obviously trying to draw a NK. I'm not a good town player, let's be honest. I suck while I'm town and make no logic.

TBH, I'm done pushing the issue. Your answer's not satisfactory but I will hope you eventually get tired of playing the various variants of "hey I'm just no good at this". I hope you realize that...

1)sk is almost always bulletproof

2)scum factions hate shooting someone who's bulletproof. Your claim makes it therefore highly unlikely you'll be nightkilled.

p:edit. what? Is thor really at L-1 already? sigh.
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Post Post #3338 (isolation #12) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:38 pm

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VOTE: Thor
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Post Post #3362 (isolation #13) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:20 am

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In post 2837, Slandaar wrote:If you want a serious response: TSO is town because I liked a couple of his points on Anen even if they were shot down they are town arguments. Town arguments are quite wild and unique a lot of the time. Scum tend to use safe arguments.

Lets take GM her argument on Thor is tone. (I would use Shiro but ha you have to wait) You can't accuse her for her argument it's so safe. And that is her only argument. Then take this scumslip look how safe she is. She is trying to say she wanted input on it as she was unsure. Town just accuse of a scumslip, kind of what Boon is doing with his posting.
GM has taken the safe 'I better not push this without everyone's approval' stance.

Slandaar, the stuff in big bold red text doesn't make sense to me...As exemplified by GM's voting patterns, I don't see here trying to wait for anyone's approval before making a case and voting. "Tone" may not be something you agree with but if it's something that she's faking, couldn't she fake that kind of accusation on literally anyone? But furthermore why would she use it as an excuse to be the first person on a wagon when you say she wants everyone's approval? That doesn't make sense? Wanting everyone's approval and trying to start a wagon are opposite things.

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Egg, Thor665, Muffin, Aneninen, Scripten, davesaz, Tiershift

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It's just that the vote counts don't correspond with your statement about GM that I can see. I wholeheartedly admit that I may have missed some things but can you show me the post or posts where it appears that Goodmorning is waiting for consensus? It looks more like she sees something and has been pushing it for two days, and wants other players to see that thing.
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Post Post #3365 (isolation #14) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:11 am

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In post 3364, Slandaar wrote:Reinoe: that was regarding the IZ slip not the case on Thor.

So you think GM is softpushing Iza?
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Post Post #3489 (isolation #15) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:44 am

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Thor's hop on Iza was gross.

Guys, Muffin was town. Let's not ignore the implications of that. The things he was pointing out had 100% motivation. His stuff on Thor seems true.

Upgrading my read on Dave. He's null.
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Post Post #3491 (isolation #16) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:47 am

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In post 3489, reinoe wrote:Thor's hop on Iza was gross.

Guys, Muffin was town. Let's not ignore the implications of that. The things he was pointing out had
100% motivation
100%
TOWN
motivation. His stuff on Thor seems true.

Upgrading my read on Dave. He's null.

Fixed.
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Post Post #3498 (isolation #17) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:24 am

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In post 2883, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2881, TierShift wrote:Thor, how would you feel about an iza lynch?

The townread in question is boon, right?

1. I would not oppose it and would probably be mildly supportive of it.
.

Only mildy in support of. Ok.

In post 3226, Thor665 wrote:
In post 3223, Izariael wrote:Oh... sorry. I thought you said a simple yes or no response would suffice. I must have misunderstood.

It did suffice - I just thought you would be happy to cram answers into my face in order to help out the guy you agree with in getting the answers he claims to want/need.

No?

An antagonistic interaction instead of inquiry. "It's good enough but I'm also going to sling mud".

In post 3232, Thor665 wrote:
In post 3228, Izariael wrote:VOTE: Thor

Here's the extent of my answer, Thor.

So - further emptiness and inability to discuss my devilishly difficult questions of "I think I never said the things you're saying I said"
Okay.

An attempt to discredit. Again, why all this for someone you're mildly in support of?

In post 3246, Thor665 wrote:
In post 3241, Izariael wrote:
In post 3236, Thor665 wrote:@Iz - make me the offer, force me into the exchange of info. Call me on my bluff.


I see no need to do so. I was merely an observer of the discussion at hand until I indicated that I liked Muffin's stance on it. From my perspective, you were unable to refute Muffin's line of questioning, and
are now resorting to pulling others into the discussion with the intent of straw-manning the entire accusation.

Cool.

I would like to state that I find your actions, vote, and support of the "issue" on me to be empty, weak, and nonsensical.
I feel this response from you proves it as so.
Others may assess as they wish.

I expect similar from Tier and Muffin, honestly.
They can feel free to excite me and prove me wrong.

We now know Muffin is 100% town. Highlighted stuff in bold text is a good observation.

It seems like you're voting for people who may be the most skilled/experienced at noticing you're only trying to discredit/belittle the people presenting arguments towards you. Instead of just clarifying things you're trying to double down on crappy explanations.

With the vote on Muffin and then the vote on Iza it looks like you're just voting people who are rightfully pointing out the errors in your play. But what really is getting me is the way you're trying to discredit instead of clarify. Especially the quantity vs quality argument. That looks like pure goalpost moving.
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Post Post #3512 (isolation #18) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:56 am

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In post 3503, Thor665 wrote:
In post 3498, reinoe wrote:Again, why all this for someone you're mildly in support of?

You do realize that I was "mildly in support of" his lynch - right?
You are basically noting that I attacked someone I did not town read and supported the idea of lynching and then acting like that's weird.

It's bad wording. I tend to do that in the morning. I still didn't get the impression that your read on Izariel was sincere.
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Post Post #3515 (isolation #19) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:09 am

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In post 3513, Thor665 wrote:
In post 3512, reinoe wrote:It's bad wording. I tend to do that in the morning. I still didn't get the impression that your read on Izariel was sincere.

Why do you have that feeling since I just dismantled your entire presented list of reasoning - is it gut, or is there other evidence now that my meaning has been clarified?

Hey phone posting. Thor is scum.

He "dismantled" the part that was a typo and literally ignored everything else.
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Post Post #3599 (isolation #20) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:06 am

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In post 3597, Thor665 wrote:
Wow, the Thor *lynch*? Wooosh, GM, aren't we going with wishful thinking.
In case you didn't notice, the Thor *wagon* (much less the lynch) is dead in the water now. People are starting to notice the reasoning is slim to none (or slim to dumb - hot'cha!) and others are starting to establish that they want to hear and understand the case before voting it, so the wave of derp and scum voters is already over.

Why are you boasting that the wagon on you has stalled? The wagon formed on you totally legitimately. Furthermore there's something like 8 days left in this DP. Totally legit reason for a wagon to stall is because people want to observe interactions and ensure that the day doesn't end unnecessarily quickly. Also if you flip scum, the reason why the wagon could be stalling would be because one or more of your buddies is running interference. Your "this wagon has stalled" excuse is poor.

Also to re-emphasize the point...Muffin is conftown and was highlighting many of the things other players have pointed out and mentioned.

Town/=right...
...however...
Town=genuine/honest/sincere

You've repeatedly tried to denounce or discredit the people voting you but the case on you is solid.
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Post Post #3601 (isolation #21) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:19 am

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In post 3600, Thor665 wrote:
In post 3599, reinoe wrote:Why are you boasting that the wagon on you has stalled?

Well, I'm not boasting about it - but I am stating my belief - and why is it an issue that I am? Why would it be an issue if I was boasting?

In post 3599, reinoe wrote:The wagon formed on you totally legitimately.

Well...sure, all wagons do, because if they are formed illegally the mod should do something about it.

In post 3599, reinoe wrote:Also if you flip scum, the reason why the wagon could be stalling would be because one or more of your buddies is running interference.

There is already interference being run - are they my scumbuddies or no?

In post 3599, reinoe wrote:Your "this wagon has stalled" excuse is poor.

It's not an excuse - it's a statement.

In post 3599, reinoe wrote:Also to re-emphasize the point...Muffin is conftown and was highlighting many of the things other players have pointed out and mentioned.

So?

In post 3599, reinoe wrote:You've repeatedly tried to denounce or discredit the people voting you but the case on you is solid.

No - it is not.
Describe the case on me please. I think that will showcase my point.

1. Because I'm starting to come around to GM's "tone" argument.
2. Another attempt to discredit by wordplay.
3. I'm not doing associatives pre-flip, hence the "if". Stop trying to twist things plz.
4. Ok it's a statement. I still don't like it. And I still don't like how you're trying to manipulate words. You're trying to make some sort of connection between "illegitimate" and "illegal" now? Really?
5. Conftown means that the case can't possibly be as scummy as you're trying to portray it as.
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Post Post #3661 (isolation #22) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:22 pm

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In post 3640, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 3637, Izariael wrote:
In post 3626, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 3601, reinoe wrote:5. Conftown means that the case can't possibly be as scummy as you're trying to portray it as.


@reinoe
First
Please show me where Thor portrayed it as scummy. (He didnt)

Axle, did you miss this?
In post 3202, Thor665 wrote:It is scummy, stupid, and annoying.
In post 3203, Thor665 wrote:
Vote: muffin

Thor is very clearly indicating that he found it scummy.


nah more
didn't think about them
because this statement
In post 3601, reinoe wrote:5. Conftown means that the case can't possibly be as scummy as you're trying to portray it as.

is in the present tense and is a claim about now.

Reinoe appears to me to be appealing to the authority of a flipped towny.
Saying the case cant be scum because a flipped towny agreed with with it ...
Hey flipped PereV thought Thor might be scum too, but thats irrelevant as I didnt like his argument either.


Reinoe needs to justify the argument not the people who supported it when they were alive in the game.

I don't need to justify anything to someone who doesn't think about relevant points of the game and casually dismisses the opinion of other players. But I will so that other players can hurry up and vote near obvscum Thor and we can get a lynch on that shit...

I experienced firsthand the things Muffin described...
1)thor's misleading comments
2)thor's effort to try and discredit the person instead of the argument.
3)thor's weird wordplay

Stuff about Axxle...
3) Axxle's misleading WTFuckery. Muffin made a case. Lot's of people agree with it, myself included. Thor tries to claim the case is scum motivated when we know conftown was pushing it.
4) Axxle claims that Thor never called the case scummy which is a lie at worst and an oversight at best. Instead of acknowledging it he just claims he never even thought of it.

So yes I'm going to "appeal to the authority of a townie" because Thor is trying to claim the push on him is scum motivated when it's clearly not. Axxle is willing to lie/overlook relevant points that contradict what thor says in order to defend Thor. Furthermore, Muffin didn't just agree with the case on Thor...Muffin pushed the case hard. Axxle is trying to make it seem like Muffin was on the sidelines saying "oh yeah I agree" which was not the nature of Muffin's push at all.
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Post Post #3671 (isolation #23) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:59 pm

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In post 3669, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 3661, reinoe wrote:4) Axxle claims that Thor never called the case scummy which is a lie at worst and an oversight at best.


--->Nope i never claimed that,<---


In post 3637, Izariael wrote:
In post 3626, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 3601, reinoe wrote:5. Conftown means that the case can't possibly be as scummy as you're trying to portray it as.


@reinoe
First
Please show me where Thor portrayed it as scummy.
--->(He didnt)<---

Axle, did you miss this?
In post 3202, Thor665 wrote:
--->It is scummy,<---
stupid, and annoying.
In post 3203, Thor665 wrote:
Vote: muffin

Thor is very clearly indicating that he found it scummy.


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Post Post #3774 (isolation #24) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:58 am

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In post 3769, TierShift wrote:flub, it is time.

VOTE: dave

I'll read more throughly tomorrow.

Why leans-town Dave instead of obvscum Thor?
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Post Post #3837 (isolation #25) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:52 am

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In post 3777, TierShift wrote:
In post 3774, reinoe wrote:
In post 3769, TierShift wrote:flub, it is time.

VOTE: dave

I'll read more throughly tomorrow.

Why leans-town Dave instead of obvscum Thor?

because thor is not really scum.

regardless of his alignment,
there's at least 1 sucm on his wagon now.
Who is it, according to you?

1) Why is thor not really scum?
2) Why is Dave somehow scummier than thor?
3) How do you know the stuff in red? Thor's wagon looks towny therefore I can't be sure who's the scum on it.
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Post Post #3940 (isolation #26) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:54 am

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Axle is trying really hard to distract from the thor wagon. And the people saying thor is town have done a rather poor job of explaining how he's town.
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Post Post #4014 (isolation #27) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:23 am

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In post 4004, Scripten wrote: and with Thor's claim, her case on him is just not looking good.

Phone posting. Everyone who Reads the above section of scripten's post should have major major problems with it.

1) Firstly Thor hasn't actually claimed shit. He's comment about being a PR is less than useless.
2)Scripten is using Thor's non-claim to push Gm. He ignored Muffin's 100% confirmed town status and his push on Thor. How are you going to use someone's non-claim to push a case while Ignoring conf-town's case on someone else? That's bullshit.
3) the case on Thor is solid.
4) there's a lot of flurry going on to find a credible counterwagon to Thor. Wtf is this shit.

Ebwop: Josh that Fonz wagon is doa. If you think the Gm push is scum motivated then your vote should be on Thor.
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Post Post #4016 (isolation #28) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:33 am

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In post 4015, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4014, reinoe wrote:3) the case on Thor is solid.

Remind me what it is again - because I'm still pretty sure everything I've heard is 'playstyle'.

You can hear what you want, but what's been said and what you choose to hear are not the same thing.
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Post Post #4038 (isolation #29) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:48 pm

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In post 4006, davesaz wrote:<Dave thinks some in the shower>
CLICK!
:idea: :!: :!:

VOTE: goodmorning

Reason: Gamestate ephiphany

Thor, how certain are you that GM is the right player to wagon at this time? Just a sniff, rock solid, somewhere in between?

Could you go into some details about the game state analysis epiphany.
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Post Post #4086 (isolation #30) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:32 am

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In post 4048, Aegor wrote:
Votecount 2.12


[5]
Thor665:
goodmorning, Izariael, reinoe, Flubbernugget, davesaz
[3]
Josh_B:
Scripten, AxleGreaser, Slandaar
[2]
Flubbernugget:
Nero Cain, The Fonz
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Boonskiies:
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goodmorning:
Thor665
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The Fonz:
Josh_B

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Not Voting:
beastcharizard

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline:
(expired on 2014-11-19 18:27:52)

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TierShift V/LA until Sunday
Boonskies, Nero Cain, T S O prodded.

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Post Post #4089 (isolation #31) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:48 am

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In post 4088, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4086, reinoe wrote:Six vanity wagons!!! What a display of hubris!

There's only five now.
You should be pushing the Thor wagon more.

I already know the agony of trying to bang my head against the wall in the face of unexplained defiance from town. Plus many of the vanity wagons are lurksacks to boot.
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Post Post #4130 (isolation #32) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:04 pm

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May I have a list of the neighborhoods and who's in them?
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Post Post #4143 (isolation #33) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:53 pm

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Boonskiies wrote:I got to the point that I wasn't going to be NK'd for the sheer fact I'd always be an easy mislynch.

This is bullshit. I suggest everyone read Boon's games. He's almost always read as VI town. And hardly ever gets nk'ed or mislynched.
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Post Post #4176 (isolation #34) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:08 am

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@MOD:

ACTIVATE MY DOUBLE VOTE

VOTE: thor
Let's not wait for his fake-claim.
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Post Post #4181 (isolation #35) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:11 am

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In post 4177, Shiro wrote:..............................


Are you fucking serious ?

thor's obvscum. He's been softclaiming all fucking day which is why I totally buy into goodmorning's "tone" arguments. He has a fake-claim all lined up.
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Post Post #4189 (isolation #36) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:06 am

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thor, can we get your final reads before the mod locks the thread.
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Post Post #4190 (isolation #37) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:07 am

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In post 3837, reinoe wrote:
In post 3777, TierShift wrote:
In post 3774, reinoe wrote:
In post 3769, TierShift wrote:flub, it is time.

VOTE: dave

I'll read more throughly tomorrow.

Why leans-town Dave instead of obvscum Thor?

because thor is not really scum.

regardless of his alignment,
there's at least 1 sucm on his wagon now.
Who is it, according to you?

1) Why is thor not really scum?
2) Why is Dave somehow scummier than thor?
3) How do you know the stuff in red? Thor's wagon looks towny therefore I can't be sure who's the scum on it.

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Post Post #4193 (isolation #38) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:41 am

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In post 4192, Thor665 wrote:I don't think I'm hammered and found it comical to watch people acting confused.

If I am I wish you all to have to read my posts for my reads.

I'll claim at hammer intent.

Guys this is a scum claim...

Doesn't know if he's hammered or not but doesn't post final thoughts.
While not explicitly denying town info, saying "my reads are in my other posts" is inconvenient.
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Post Post #4210 (isolation #39) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:13 am

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In post 4203, Slandaar wrote:Yes?

That is an important detail Boon.

Oh is this about that awful minimince I game?
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Post Post #4226 (isolation #40) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:29 am

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In post 4211, Slandaar wrote:No.

The one with Bob/Elyse etc and were lynched D1. That is obviously what he is talking about.

OK...

In that game I was a vanilla townie but fake-claimed nurse when there was three days left...
In that game Boonskiies fake hammered me on D1.
I got pissed off and said fuck it Elyse and Hiplop is scum and boons is also scum for hammering without intent. Then I said I was going to bed.
People said that I should post a full reads list instead of going to be and I said no.
People accused my reaction of being "fake" because a real townie would have given a full reads list instead of going to bed.
Then I came back later and posted a reads list but without reasons.
Then I got hammered because nobody was moving votes even though lots of people were calling hiplop scum (and he was). P.S. Elyse was also scum and Boonskiies, Slandaar and I were all town in that game.



There are some important differences though...
1) I claimed my role without saying "I'll claim if there's intent". I just claimed so that people could discuss etc and not have to worry about deadline.
2) I still posted "final thoughts" on three players, just not a full reads list. thor admits that he might have been hammered but still posted no information for town.

addendum
3) Hiplop claimed Jailkeeper even though he was a scum roleblocker.


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Post Post #4367 (isolation #41) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:58 pm

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goodmorning wrote:Literally though

1-Shot JK is totally a Scum PR for when the Scum investigative finds a Town PR


literally

that shit is not a fucking town pr


In post 4226, reinoe wrote:

addendum
3) Hiplop claimed Jailkeeper even though he was a scum roleblocker.
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Post Post #4368 (isolation #42) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:01 pm

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So I take it this is everyone's first actual mafiascum game besides goodmorning and myself?

Welcome to mafiascum everyone. Now I understand that this is apparently everyone's first mafiascum game so just go ahead and sheep me and GM for great justice.
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Post Post #4377 (isolation #43) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:22 pm

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In post 4371, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4366, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4362, AxleGreaser wrote:It saves you having to actual claim scum intent on anything you read.

This is also false. I have scum reads, I posted them in my last list. I know you know this 'cause you quoted me.
Most
of my reasoning is in thread or in my pt so if you knew I had scum reads why would you lie and claim that I don't? And if you didn't know/understand something. Why not just ask?


and yet with all those scum reads and reasons you claim to have

In post 4356, Nero Cain wrote:Me being willing to
PL Thor 'cause I'm unsure on him
=//=my belief in how hard/easy he is to lynch.


you wan to PL Thor
because
your unsure on him

You may be selling this stuff but i am not buying it.

If Nero was serious about "lulz policy lynch thor" then he could have...

1)declared thor's claim fake and hammered.
2)FAKE cc'ed
3)pretended he wasn't paying attention to the VC and derphammered

Like sometimes townies do things that don't fucking make sense. Boons in every game. Some of the stuff coming from Dave and Flubber. The difference is trying to determine if there's scum motivation or town motivation. The stuff coming from Nero feels townie. Compare that to all the discrediting coming from thor earlier this DP. That shit was not town.
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Post Post #4425 (isolation #44) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:14 pm

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page top for great justice
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Post Post #4483 (isolation #45) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:37 am

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Josh_B wrote:

Also this...
In post 4014, reinoe wrote:If you think the Gm push is scum motivated then your vote should be on Thor.


Reinoe, you didn't mention that Axel has been pushing the GM wagon all game. That's pretty important information to know.

How am I supposed to know that information is relevant to you? How am I supposed to know you didn't know that? What does Axxle pushing GM all day every day (but not putting his vote there) have to do with you thinking the GM push is scum motivated? If you think the GM push is scum motivated and Axle is pushing it then what are your thoughts on Axle?
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Post Post #4484 (isolation #46) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:39 am

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In post 4483, reinoe wrote:
Josh_B wrote:

Also this...
In post 4014, reinoe wrote:If you think the Gm push is scum motivated then your vote should be on Thor.


Reinoe, you didn't mention that Axel has been pushing the GM wagon all game. That's pretty important information to know.

How am I supposed to know that information is relevant to you? How am I supposed to know you didn't know that? What does Axxle pushing GM all day every day (but not putting his vote there) have to do with you thinking the GM push is scum motivated? If you think the GM push is scum motivated and Axle is pushing it then what are your thoughts on Axle?

EBWOP: Also thor was also pushing GM at the time. Again, if you think the GM push is scum motivated am I wrong in thinking that you should be putting your vote on thor? After all...

thor was pushing GM+JOSH thinks the GM Push is scum motivate=josh' vote should be on thor who doing things scum motivated.

Is the above equation wrong? Are you saying you think thor is town but axle is not? Please elaborate.
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Post Post #4485 (isolation #47) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:41 am

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In post 4391, Thor665 wrote:

In post 4377, reinoe wrote:Compare that to all the discrediting coming from thor earlier this DP. That Smurf was not town.

You kind of keep latching on to this.
We have played gams where I was town.
Are you honestly claiming I don't "discredit" like that when town? I don't think there's even remote support for that stance.

TBH, I don't think I've ever played with you as town. I'll have to check later.
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Post Post #4527 (isolation #48) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:41 am

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Josh_B wrote:
In post 4514, AxleGreaser wrote:@Josh B
Please clarify what pointing fingers means, and whether or not it is under the assumption ... if GM flips town/scum (or is independent of that).


pointing fingers=FOS. I am scum hunting off the Invisible GM wagon. I just came out of a GM scum game, and even though I got hosed by town reading her in that game, I can already see huge differences in her playstyle from that one to this and I'm giving it a solid town read.
I'm including the fact that the wagon itself is made up largely of indirect claims and very little direct votes, which is also indicative of town slot.

Phone posting...
Josh is already leaning town and making that shitty and obvious wagon on garmr look even worse.
Could someone be a dear and cross-reference the players who voted Josh with the players who are scumreading GM?

I can do it when I get home in like 8 hours but I could really use the assist.
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Post Post #4528 (isolation #49) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:51 am

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@thor...
I played with you when you were scum more recently in mini 1584. You were scum in that game. You'll forgive me for having a better memory of that game since it was more recent. Also I ended my participation in that game with dramatic flair.
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Post Post #4538 (isolation #50) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:45 pm

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In post 4529, T S O wrote:that sounds like you were modkilled which really would not surprise me

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Post Post #4544 (isolation #51) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:34 pm

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In post 4533, Scripten wrote:
In post 4531, goodmorning wrote:
Given that I was your second strongest scumread and you never called me Scum, one scumread is the most accurate truth.


This is pedantic. It does not help your case on Thor.

Josh_B:
Where do you stand on Garmr's reads/play? You're a more coherent player and that, in and of itself, makes my read on your slot wiggle a bit, but I want to know what you think about your slot's play so far.

Why are you asking one player to judge the actions of the previous slot holder? What sort of information can be gleaned from this?
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Post Post #4596 (isolation #52) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:20 am

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In post 4595, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4585, AxleGreaser wrote:To my way of thinking that should still be troubling to you.
Yet now somehow this is not problem, Now. When Josh does not to me actually look like he will get lynched, now you vote him?

So....you are saying that I am scummy 'cause I didn't vote Josh with my scum reads and that I'm also scummy for ignoring that now.

In post 4586, AxleGreaser wrote:because it is PLing a player that just wont play.

So? You should NEVER do that (as town) its one thing if you are being suspicious of him for not playing but to just lynch him for not playing is a horrible reason.
In post 4586, AxleGreaser wrote:You have no policy for the people you say you want PL, you just have a list. A long list.

I think if you were actually reading instead of skimming/posting random things just to which to call me scum you'd find this untrue.

If the Dave lynch goes through and he flips town that will now be two mislynches you've been on. Why should we believe you are town?

Calls Thor scum on d1.
downgrades Thor but is still suspicious of him.
votes scumread Flubber.
doesn't get any traction on Flubber so I move my vote to a viable lynch (Thor)

Sorry but that makes perfect sense. And you fussing about it doesn't. *shrugz* I still think you are being upset over the fact that I attacked you.

In post 4593, AxleGreaser wrote:There is still a chance for me that you are town and are right and Thor is scum

^^^^^
this very much looks like him setting up for a potential Thor lynch.

In post 4592, Thor665 wrote:What do you think I am doing that is 'bad play' specifically?

misreading me for 1!!! We had 3 days to deadline. Getting you to claim and move the game along was the correct play. If you want to OMGUS attack me like you did in Inyusa then fine but you are wrong and should stop doing that.

Nero, did you believe Thor's claim?
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Post Post #4617 (isolation #53) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:12 pm

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In post 4616, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4596, reinoe wrote:Nero, did you believe Thor's claim?

I neither believe nor disbelieve his claim. (its null and wifom.) I know that JK is a common scum rb claim. So what specifically makes you disbelieve his claim?

I most certainly don't believe his claim. As you've already mentioned JK is a common scum RB claim. Here's where all of a sudden I'm finding you dicey...

1)You scum read thor
2)you think thor is PL worthy
3)you think JK is a common scum RB claim.

4)You don't hammer thor? WTF is this?


5)If thor is telling the truth then he's now nothing more than a named townie. Is it worth running up someone else who may be a PR?

6)thor would have been a HUGE information lynch. Look at how divisive everything around him is/was. From the way the wagon formed to how he was defended. Huge amounts of information that we could have looked over. There were counter-wagons and everything.

7)Basically it looks like you didn't hammer thor because you wanted to "look townie" even though you had multiple completely justified reason to do so. I admit I definitely wanted thor hammered and lynched because I think he's scum. The question is why DIDN'T you want thor hammered?
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Post Post #4618 (isolation #54) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:22 pm

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thor's not getting lynched today unfortunately and to hell with that davewagon...
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Post Post #4622 (isolation #55) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:49 pm

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In post 4621, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4620, Thor665 wrote:2. I do not see what players hopping off of my wagon due to a claim has to do with rolefishing.

anyone else that gets wagoned and is looking at the lynch is being forced to claim. Its the same the Ren is arguing but he's accusing me of running others up when I didn't.

misrep.
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Post Post #4634 (isolation #56) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:51 am

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In post 4624, AxleGreaser wrote:Right now you are interpreting those events as scummy
In post 4617, reinoe wrote:7)Basically it looks like you didn't hammer thor
because you wanted to "look townie"
even though you had multiple completely justified reason to do so. I admit I definitely wanted thor hammered and lynched because I think he's scum. The question is why DIDN'T you want thor hammered?


Not very long ago you said
In post 4377, reinoe wrote:If Nero was serious about "lulz policy lynch thor" then he could have...

1)declared thor's claim fake and hammered.
2)FAKE cc'ed
3)pretended he wasn't paying attention to the VC and derphammered

Like sometimes townies do things that don't fucking make sense. Boons in every game. Some of the stuff coming from Dave and Flubber. The difference is trying to determine if there's scum motivation or town motivation.
The stuff coming from Nero feels townie.
Compare that to all the discrediting coming from thor earlier this DP. That shit was not town.


I would be be a lot happier if it was easier or even possible to make those two posts line up and agree with one another.

Wow, it's almost as if a shift in the game state caused a shift in opinion. Remarkable huh? Strange how something like that happened. It's like Nero Cain did something that did not have a townie feel to it at all and I made a 7 point post explaining it...
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Post Post #4653 (isolation #57) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:53 am

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In post 4645, AxleGreaser wrote:
@Flubber
@Scripten
@GM
@beast


@anyone else voting for Nero.


If reinoe has not clarified it before you get here

You really ought have look at open the spoiler to see reinoes change (reversal) of position that he has since said is due to changed "game state"

It may by the time you get here all be a storm in tea cup as Reinoe may have explained what I cant see.

But have a look Ok?

No I am not trying to speed wagon Reinoe, but it makes the nero lynch look quite unsafe to me.


In post 4626, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4625, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4623, Thor665 wrote:it was a really gakked up progression and makes no sense.

and I agree I saw gakked up stuff.


I have realised this unclear, this ^^^ was me agreeing with Thors post to the extent that I saw gakked up stuff in Neros read progression.

You understand it but you want to throw suspicion my way anyway.

"sometimes townies do things that don't make sense".

"sometimes scum do things that don't make sense".

You've got to differentiate between scum motivation and town motivation. Yo, Axle this isn't hard to understand and I think you're feigning confusion to throw suspicion.

Your scum-buddy thor understands it so I'm sure he'll explain it to you in your scum QT tonight.

@IZARIAL

Hey remember that one time Axle lied/overlooked the "thor never called the wagon scummy" comments? Yeah, I'm seeing the same inauthentic push here like I saw there.
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Post Post #4659 (isolation #58) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:02 am

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In post 4655, AxleGreaser wrote:You have not answered the question and explained what chnaged about the game state, and how that effected your interpretation of events but somehow was not
(as far as i cant tell contained in the 7 points)

Please explain that.

A player claimed a PR. This isn't hard to understand. Are you really always this bad?

"My interpretation of events" is that Nero Cain's behavior towards thor at L-1 did not have a town motivation. It's not confusing unless you're awful.
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Post Post #4662 (isolation #59) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:06 am

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Slandaar wrote:Reinoe can you respond to my very important question please.
In post 4638, Slandaar wrote:Reinoe can you vote dave with me please?

No, not voting dave.
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Post Post #4663 (isolation #60) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:06 am

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In post 4660, Nero Cain wrote:So it would have been pro-town of me to hammer right after he claimed?

based on this...
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2)you think thor is PL worthy
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4)You don't hammer thor? WTF is this?

It would have been consistent with your internal logic.
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Post Post #4669 (isolation #61) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:14 am

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In post 4666, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4662, reinoe wrote:No, not voting dave.

Forget who it is and what you think of him.

Would you like to vote the same person I am?

Sure if we agree on who's scum. That's not happening right now though.
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Post Post #4671 (isolation #62) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:17 am

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In post 4665, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4663, reinoe wrote:
In post 4660, Nero Cain wrote:So it would have been pro-town of me to hammer right after he claimed?

based on this...
1)You scum read thor
2)you think thor is PL worthy
3)you think JK is a common scum RB claim.

4)You don't hammer thor? WTF is this?

It would have been consistent with your internal logic.

I see. You agree that it isn't pro-town play to lynch right away but I should have done it just I'm "consistent". Wich is still ignoring all those players that unvoted...


I never said it isn't pro town to lynch right away. Where did that impression come from? I don't see why you didn't hammer unless you wanted to "look town".

As for other people unvoting...I have to admit I haven't analyzed their motivations as heavily as yours. Is there someone who shouldn't have unvoted that I need to take a look at?
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Post Post #4672 (isolation #63) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:22 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #4673 (isolation #64) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:24 am

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blegh maybe I was just pissed that Nero didn't hammer.
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Post Post #4681 (isolation #65) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:36 am

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In post 4677, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4659, reinoe wrote:Are you really always this bad?

Earlier you said to me.... I didnt bite you.

In post 4673, reinoe wrote:blegh maybe I was just pissed that Nero didn't hammer.


So ok maybe you were just pissed. (its a possibility to consider, but there is also the scum story that fits)

Now explain how you became more pissed, as time went on.

Your first read was just after he didn't hammer. (and you read him town)

later you are somehow more pissed?

How come you are more pissed later?

Like I said originally walk me through how you got there.

How come I'm more pissed later? The thor lynch is slipped away. thor lynch was still a better lynch than this scrambling around bullshit.
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Post Post #4726 (isolation #66) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:45 am

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VOTE: Davesez

This is awful but Dave didn't even post final thoughts.
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Post Post #4728 (isolation #67) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:59 am

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In post 4722, davesaz wrote:
In post 4720, AxleGreaser wrote:I mean like where the F is dave?


Watching you try to mislynch me. Not like I'm going to convince anyone that derp is not scum. My play has been totally honest.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the wagon, other than Thor, are town. Scum
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keep me as future mislynch bait or a weak link in lylo.
Nero not hammering is a big question mark. Maybe even scum on Thor's team. Possibly scum on another team or SK that plans to NK Thor, if it is MB.


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Post Post #4738 (isolation #68) » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:49 pm

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Time to ISO scripten...
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Post Post #4779 (isolation #69) » Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:40 pm

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In post 4738, reinoe wrote:Time to ISO scripten...

I have sad news. Looking at Scripten's ISO I didn't see any interactions that could reliably link me to any of his buddies.

However GM is not Scripten's buddy and is more likely town than opposing faction. Scripten was buddying thor awkwardly but didn't seem alignment indicative either way.

@Nero and TSO...
Did Scripten discuss anyone a lot or refuse to discuss anyone in the game?

@Shiro...
Um hi. We haven't spoken at all. Who's the scum in your neighborhood? Who's the scum on the Davewagon?
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Post Post #4799 (isolation #70) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:12 am

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Shiro wrote:@Reinoi Most likely scum in my hood is nobody. I town read everyone in it.


@Shiro

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Post Post #4806 (isolation #71) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:35 pm

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@Nero and TSO...

Did Scripten discuss anyone a lot or refuse to discuss anyone in the game?
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Post Post #4809 (isolation #72) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:49 pm

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In post 4807, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 3078, reinoe wrote:@Boonskiies
Were you really trying to draw a NK by claiming 2-shot bulletproof?

@Thor
Who's scum?

@Flubber
Who's town

@Goodmorning
Why's Thor scum?

Reinoe's intro was just bad. Not bad like me where I did nothing but bad as in scum pretending to put in effort. Their 4th post was them asking questions of specific people. This is also where I get some of my associative scum reads from. They asked someone who is TOWN, not scum. If you know the scum you know the town. That is just not a normal question.
I also don't like their attacks on Thor. I feel like they are just attacking someone who gets upset easily to make it look like it is a scum reaction. Also, they don't shut up about Thor, like ever.
is also scummy. I have known more scum do fake gambits than town and in that instance it was just bad. It wasn't a normally trolly thing either.
The Tier Shift kill makes complete sense from reinoe as well since Tier wasn't eating any of the bullshit that reinoe is putting out.

His every sentence is a contradiction to what happened in the game.

1)How was I pretending to put in effort while admitting I didn't read day one?
2)Asking questions of specific people is like something everyone had done in the game.
3)Why are you persuing unflipped associatives when there's a dead werewolf right there in scripten.
4)Why is my attack on thor an attempt to get him angry when nobody else's was?
5)I'm trying to get thor upset? I think you're confused about which player is known for being cool as a cucumber and which player posts images of tables flipping over and rage-quitting.
6)no
7)It was Nero Cain who was calling me scum at the end of day 2 and not Tiershift.

beastcharizard wrote:Now lets lynch scum reinoe and get on with the game.

Also, what do we speculate the setup is with that WW flip? Are there games with only WWs in them?

Beastcharizard is definitely interested in wasting time with setup speculation based on the werewolf flip but has no interest in researching interactions with the werewolf. Okay then...
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Post Post #4810 (isolation #73) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:00 pm

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VOTE: beastcharizard
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Post Post #4825 (isolation #74) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:51 am

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In post 4807, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 3078, reinoe wrote:@Boonskiies
Were you really trying to draw a NK by claiming 2-shot bulletproof?

@Thor
Who's scum?

@Flubber
Who's town

@Goodmorning
Why's Thor scum?

Reinoe's intro was just bad. Not bad like me where I did nothing but bad as in scum pretending to put in effort. Their 4th post was them asking questions of specific people. This is also where I get some of my associative scum reads from. They asked someone who is TOWN, not scum. If you know the scum you know the town. That is just not a normal question.
I also don't like their attacks on Thor. I feel like they are just attacking someone who gets upset easily to make it look like it is a scum reaction. Also, they don't shut up about Thor, like ever.
is also scummy. I have known more scum do fake gambits than town and in that instance it was just bad. It wasn't a normally trolly thing either.
The Tier Shift kill makes complete sense from reinoe as well since Tier wasn't eating any of the bullshit that reinoe is putting out.

Phone posting.

Beast is lying. He went from gut scum. To case full of contradictions. Now he says cop guilty. But that's impossible. For two reasons: the first is because I'm town and the second is because I'm the even night cop.
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Post Post #4826 (isolation #75) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:55 am

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You'll all be happy to know that I got a not-mafia result on boonskies. Because that's how cops in multi-ball get results. Not in the forM of "guilty" "not guilty".
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Post Post #4832 (isolation #76) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:08 am

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beastcharizard wrote:Wow, how convenient that you just happen to be the same role that i claimed.

GM, I didn't want to put myself by calling reinoe mafia so I tried to get someone else to say mafia was in the game first so I didn't look look like a cop.
actually it's not a coincidence at all since I know that my role is even night it's how I knew that thor claim was probably fake because a one shot in a game full of even and odd night rolls would Not make sense that's why I suspect that either Thor was lying about his claim or that he was an odd night role.
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Post Post #4835 (isolation #77) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:13 am

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In post 4812, beastcharizard wrote:Also, I am curious if we think this is a WW only game or if mafia is in it too. That is a legit question after the freaking WW flip. Your whole post was bad.

Three kills in one night and Beast is pretending we don't all know it's multiball +vig.
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Post Post #4836 (isolation #78) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:24 am

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In post 4815, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4807, beastcharizard wrote:The Tier Shift kill makes complete sense from reinoe as well

It's very possible Tier wasn't the shot and he protected someone else especially considering he obviously didn't commute.

Tier kill makes 0 sense from reinoe since tier was towneading me. It's clear that beast is Maf or WW and killed tier to push this angle. Again it was Nero who was scumreading me and Nero is alive. It was axle who was pressuring me and he's also still alive.

Look at Beast's apathy yesterday. It's clear that he was having a lot of trouble keeping up. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's faking the guilty to out the cop while being able to help his team on the way out.
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Post Post #4841 (isolation #79) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:52 am

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Beast is a rolecop guys.
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Post Post #4844 (isolation #80) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:54 am

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In post 4840, Josh_B wrote:I believe beast.

Why? How can anyone look at Beast's posts and say that he's telling the truth? The manner of his claim has bs all over it. He didn't even claim his result the way cops get results.
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Post Post #4851 (isolation #81) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:50 pm

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Could someone voting me explain how beast's play this game is town?

Ugh can't believe this shit. Somebody who's voting me xplain how beasts play this game is town.
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Post Post #4853 (isolation #82) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:54 pm

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In post 4851, reinoe wrote:Could someone voting me explain how beast's play this game is town?

Ugh can't believe this shit. Somebody who's voting me xplain how beasts play this game is town.

The above is why you don't phone post between calls.

I'm gonna just scum-hunt when I get home. But I'll point out Beast's remarkable silence after fake-claiming.
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Post Post #4859 (isolation #83) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:14 pm

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OK I'M HOME!!! TIME TO PROVE BEAST IS SCUM ROLE-COP...
In post 2170, beastcharizard wrote:So,
who is town
and who is scum?


In post 4807, beastcharizard wrote:They(reinoe) asked someone who is TOWN, not scum. If you know the scum you know the town. That is just not a normal question.

Image

In post 4854, beastcharizard wrote:I have mad a lurky doing nothing meta for myself as town lately so I thought this would be the perfect time to see if I could do that and survive as a PR. So yesterday I pretended to be behind and be useless.

Self meta to the max!
In post 4854, beastcharizard wrote:If yall need to lynch me first to see that reinoe is scum then so be it. Not like I am going to get another chance to inspect someone anyway.

Well I think we need to lynch you.
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Post Post #4861 (isolation #84) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:26 pm

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Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:54 pm

In post 4853, reinoe wrote:
In post 4851, reinoe wrote:
Could someone voting me explain how beast's play this game is town?

Ugh can't believe this shit. Somebody who's voting me xplain how beasts play this game is town.

]The above is why you don't phone post between calls.

I'm gonna just scum-hunt when I get home.
--->But I'll point out Beast's remarkable silence after fake-claiming.<---

Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:10 pm

In post 4854, beastcharizard wrote:
I was at work when I claimed thank you very much. You are scum and everyone knows it. Also, I explain why I played the way I did. I have mad a lurky doing nothing meta for myself as town lately so I thought this would be the perfect time to see if I could do that and survive as a PR. So yesterday I pretended to be behind and be useless.

If yall need to lynch me first to see that reinoe is scum then so be it. Not like I am going to get another chance to inspect someone anyway
.

Total elapsed time 16 minutes after being called out. Not a record but a good hard try. With a little more F5 refreshing you could have had that record for most rapid appearance after being called out for lurking.
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Post Post #4862 (isolation #85) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:27 pm

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So beast, if you have such a huge problem with asking "who is town"...

1) why did you do it?

2) why didn't you interrogate me about it?
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Post Post #4863 (isolation #86) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:32 pm

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I had a problem with Boonskiies play...

In post 3183, reinoe wrote:
In post 3179, TierShift wrote:so...you're assuming boon truthfully claims his role as SK?


If he's already pm'ed the mod and know he's immune to cops sure why not? He's immune to gunsmiths. His BP claim will look legit to rolecops. A SK can last a long time in a large by just being UTR and by claiming BP he can avoid scum kills. My concern is that he claims BP in order to draw a NK. That makes 0 sense even from a VI p.o.v. It's all WIFOM but I want Boon to explain it with an excuse besides "oh yeah I'm a VI lolz". Town BP have every incentive to deliberately draw kills. That's literally a town BP's job. Attempt to draw a NK. Now I'm not sure how someone actually does that but "herp a derp I'm VI lolz" is not one of them.

And I'm pressuring someone I have a problem with...
In post 3239, reinoe wrote:
In post 3225, Boonskiies wrote:@Reinoe - I claimed town 2 shot bulletproof neighbor because that is what my role pm says. I had like five votes on me for reasons. I was obviously trying to draw a NK. I'm not a good town player, let's be honest. I suck while I'm town and make no logic.

TBH, I'm done pushing the issue. Your answer's not satisfactory but I will hope you eventually get tired of playing the various variants of "hey I'm just no good at this". I hope you realize that...

1)sk is almost always bulletproof

2)scum factions hate shooting someone who's bulletproof. Your claim makes it therefore highly unlikely you'll be nightkilled.

p:edit. what? Is thor really at L-1 already? sigh.

And a conclusion...

In post 4826, reinoe wrote:You'll all be happy to know that I got a not-mafia result on boonskies. Because that's how cops in multi-ball get results. Not in the forM of "guilty" "not guilty".


Somebody show me the trajectory of beast's being suspicious of me and why he would investigate.
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Post Post #4864 (isolation #87) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:39 pm

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Last post for the night...
In post 4806, reinoe wrote:
@Nero and TSO...

Did Scripten discuss anyone a lot or refuse to discuss anyone in the game?

:roll:
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Post Post #4865 (isolation #88) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:00 pm

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In post 4864, reinoe wrote:Last post for the night...
In post 4806, reinoe wrote:
@Nero and TSO...

Did Scripten discuss anyone a lot or refuse to discuss anyone in the game?

:roll:

Oh, this is in regards to neighborhood talk during Night 2.
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Post Post #4868 (isolation #89) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:43 pm

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In post 4822, Slandaar wrote:VOTE: Reinoe

I loved your point btw Beast.


I just felt bad if I voted Reinoe after yesterday... but now it's OK.

In post 2170, beastcharizard wrote:So,
who is town
and who is scum?


In post 4807, beastcharizard wrote:They(reinoe) asked someone who is TOWN, not scum. If you know the scum you know the town. That is just not a normal question.

What do you think about his "point" now Slandaar?
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Post Post #4870 (isolation #90) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:08 pm

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could someone unvote at least before thor gets back from V/LA and quickhammers. G'night.
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Post Post #4880 (isolation #91) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:45 am

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In post 4876, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4868, reinoe wrote:What do you think about his "point" now Slandaar?

It's genius.

I don't think he even knows how good it is.

He asked 'who is town and who is scum?' to everyone. That is fine, no problem, he is in effect asking for a reads list from people.

And I have found that asking a generic question like that to the entire town is less likely to get answered. Secondly, his whole point about the question was that the question was asked. He makes that very clear that it's the question he has a problem with...a question he asked to everyone. Again you haven't refuted that point at all, you've just added a bunch of words.
In post 4876, Slandaar wrote:
You asked Flubber specifically;
Who is town?

Why you asked Flubber specifically doesn't matter but what are you asking him who is town for? what is the point to it? Why not ask him his scumreads? You then later made this a big deal when Flubber didn't respond by bolding it as if this was some super important question which has huge relevance. Guess what?

Yeah so? I didn't see his answer and I bolded it because I asked him a question. Why are you ignoring the fact that I did the same to BOONKIIES AND THOR? Because it had to do with the fact that the question wasn't answered. Again, I also put my questions to Boonskiies and Thor in big bold letters as well. Also that question to Nero and TSO is in big bold letter too...

In post 4876, Slandaar wrote:
This is the response you got:
In post 3260, Flubbernugget wrote:Anyone that isn't a scum read of mine and isn't a lurker gets to be town for my sanity.

That was it. Question answered. That one line.

Guess you should have asked him who is scum if you actually wanted an answer to this very important question, hm?

I asked thor who is scum. Remember? And guess what, I asked him a second time too in big bold letters. Again, why are you ignoring this? Oh yeah, I also asked nero and TSO questions about what Scripten talked about in the neighborhood in big bold letters. Do you think the significance is that I'd like answers or do you want to make up something out of thin air like you're doing now?

In post 4876, Slandaar wrote:
Also, I just found this;
In post 3098, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 3078, reinoe wrote:
@Flubber
Who's town

Nero, teir, and maaaaaybe gm. everyone else that isn't scum is null.

In post 2264, Flubbernugget wrote:Egg is hard town for keeping up with the game, and for overall strong scumhunting.

Muffin is town for his scumhunting.

2 of his strongest Townreads (he only had 3 the other being GM who is now a maybe) vanish over the 800 posts it's possible but... It is some serious read changing. The whole thing of answering Reinoe twice in different ways as he did is bad though. Town generally just say they already answered etc.

Are you not paying attention? His EGG read is a joke because Egg was dead at the time and confirmed town. His Muffin stance is an addition to the previous read. Herp a derp are you even reading? Instead of conjuring up fantasy explanations why don't you just re-read everything.
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Post Post #4881 (isolation #92) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:50 am

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In post 4878, Slandaar wrote:Even night is also good in this sense because it gives the scum a couple chances to kill them.

A couple chances to kill an even night cop who only finds mafia? what? make him a 1-shot or odd night etc. Even night just makes the PR so weak.

Or there's a similar odd-night role like...a seer or another cop or a gunsmith or jailkeeper...I could go on but some people don't need PR to win in a game of wits.
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Post Post #4882 (isolation #93) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:54 am

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In post 4851, reinoe wrote:Could someone voting me explain how beast's play this game is town
--->without the PR<---

Like if Beast didn't have a PR was anyone townreading him?
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Post Post #4885 (isolation #94) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:01 am

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In post 4884, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4880, reinoe wrote:Are you not paying attention? His EGG read is a joke because Egg was dead at the time and confirmed town. His Muffin stance is an addition to the previous read. Herp a derp are you even reading? Instead of conjuring up fantasy explanations why don't you just re-read everything.

Well that was off the cuff, maybe it was a joke, I was just getting the response to you from his ISO and noticed it.

It doesn't matter too much I can check it later the main point was the interaction with you obviously :]

I was being too harsh because in retrospect I misread your question.
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Post Post #4887 (isolation #95) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:18 am

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In post 4886, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4881, reinoe wrote:Or there's a similar odd-night role like...a seer or
another cop
or a gunsmith or jailkeeper...I could go on but some people don't need PR to win in a game of wits.

Yes, OK.

So, is an odd night seer balanced with an even night cop? nope odd>>>even. Gunsmith doesn't work as wolves don't use guns, right? jailkeeper is... Thor.

Enlarged text: :cool:

Wasn't your argument cops can only find mafia?

In an earlier post yes. In post 4881 my point is that there could be an odd night role similar to cops. It's a short list of roles that could be used for investigation.
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Post Post #4891 (isolation #96) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:43 am

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In post 4890, Slandaar wrote:So, you have 4 guys who can get results while also confirming each other as town. Way too much especially with Tier's role and then we have Thor and a vig presumably and that isn't even everyone claimed...

Uhmm no, I was just going over possibilities. I think it's likely there's a role similar to cop on the odd night. Nothing more nothing less.
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Post Post #4892 (isolation #97) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:52 am

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In post 4844, reinoe wrote:
In post 4840, Josh_B wrote:I believe beast.

Why?

@JOSH
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Post Post #4904 (isolation #98) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:01 pm

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In post 4820, beastcharizard wrote:
My play from yesterday was me being under the scum kill radar so that I could inspect someone.

Why are you active lurking now?

In post 4861, reinoe wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:54 pm

In post 4853, reinoe wrote:
In post 4851, reinoe wrote:
Could someone voting me explain how beast's play this game is town?

Ugh can't believe this shit. Somebody who's voting me xplain how beasts play this game is town.

]The above is why you don't phone post between calls.

I'm gonna just scum-hunt when I get home.
--->But I'll point out Beast's remarkable silence after fake-claiming.<---

Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:10 pm

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I was at work when I claimed thank you very much. You are scum and everyone knows it. Also, I explain why I played the way I did. I have mad a lurky doing nothing meta for myself as town lately so I thought this would be the perfect time to see if I could do that and survive as a PR. So yesterday I pretended to be behind and be useless.

If yall need to lynch me first to see that reinoe is scum then so be it. Not like I am going to get another chance to inspect someone anyway
.

Total elapsed time 16 minutes after being called out. Not a record but a good hard try. With a little more F5 refreshing you could have had that record for most rapid appearance after being called out for lurking.
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Post Post #4923 (isolation #99) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:46 pm

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In post 2256, beastcharizard wrote:What is everyone's read on my slot?

In post 2257, T S O wrote:I can't even remember what heph did and I'm too tired to check

In post 2258, beastcharizard wrote:He did nothing. And that is the truth.

DAT AMISHED TELL THO...

In post 3904, beastcharizard wrote:
Also, how the hell am I supposed to control if I happen to check the thread after someone votes me? That was a coincidence.

Yeah, it could have been if maybe it only happened once...
In post 4904, reinoe wrote:
In post 4820, beastcharizard wrote:
My play from yesterday was me being under the scum kill radar so that I could inspect someone.

Why are you active lurking now?

In post 4861, reinoe wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:54 pm

In post 4853, reinoe wrote:
In post 4851, reinoe wrote:
Could someone voting me explain how beast's play this game is town?

Ugh can't believe this shit. Somebody who's voting me xplain how beasts play this game is town.

]The above is why you don't phone post between calls.

I'm gonna just scum-hunt when I get home.
--->But I'll point out Beast's remarkable silence after fake-claiming.<---

Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:10 pm

In post 4854, beastcharizard wrote:
I was at work when I claimed thank you very much. You are scum and everyone knows it. Also, I explain why I played the way I did. I have mad a lurky doing nothing meta for myself as town lately so I thought this would be the perfect time to see if I could do that and survive as a PR. So yesterday I pretended to be behind and be useless.

If yall need to lynch me first to see that reinoe is scum then so be it. Not like I am going to get another chance to inspect someone anyway
.

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Post Post #4924 (isolation #100) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:55 pm

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BTW, For those who don't know the "AMISHED TELL" let's have AMISHED explain it himself...

Subject: Open 193 - Friends and Enemies: It's over!

Amished wrote:@VP: To clarify; the difference is what happens after the reread that I didn't take into account before. Skimming posts for questions and answers (which was the failure); or criticism.

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That's just ones that I've caught/remembered specifically.

For those of you that don't know what's going on; I've basically come up with a scumtell that if you *criticize* who you replaced in; you're scum. This is a refinement from what I had it (if you read your replacement at all you were scum); but this seems to cover all the instances where I've seen/remember it. If you're town, you really don't have to worry about your predecessor as you know they're town; but if you think that they're scummy; then you're scum. As town, you know that you're not scummy and don't deserve criticism at all.


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In post 148, ThursdayAngel wrote:@BB: What is this "amished tell" you mentioned in the graveyard QT?

It's based off of people replacing into a game and getting a scum PM. What's the first thing you do? Reread your predecessor to see how screwed you are. Town, however, has no reason to reread their predeccesor(generally) as they know they were town so who cares.

The amish tell is whenever someone insults their predecessor, they are scum. This only works when:
A. They've never heard of the amish.
B. It's not part of their playstyle.

Examples:
LGC wrote:Gah. 17 pages in one sitting wasn't great. Should've put this up earlier, guys, apologies for that; got caught by some jobs... From reading the thread, it looks like I'm in deep shit because of Fathom's lurkiness and not adding content.

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See here, then here.

Here's an explanation from Amished himself.

Voided can say whatever he wants, I've had pretty good success with it.
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Post Post #4931 (isolation #101) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:09 pm

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In post 4925, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 4923, reinoe wrote:
In post 2256, beastcharizard wrote:What is everyone's read on my slot?

In post 2257, T S O wrote:I can't even remember what heph did and I'm too tired to check

In post 2258, beastcharizard wrote:He did nothing. And that is the truth.

DAT AMISHED TELL THO...


Did I call my slot scum? No. That would be an amished tell. Figuring out where I start out in the game is not bad and saying my predecessor did nothing also does not fit into the Amished tell. I also had Hephaestus in my modded game so I knew they disppeared and I knew they would have done nothing in this game.

If Reinoe doesn't flip scum then I will self-vote and park my vote their for the rest of the game. I don't think Redirector counts as normal so that is not an option for why I got a guilty.

REINOE IS SCUM!!! How is this not obvious. There is nothing scummy about how I claimed. The explanation on why reinoe claimed the same thing as me is sub-par. I am apparently a role cop, but why would I choose Reinoe to role cop as scum rather than an actual obviously town person? What would I gain from that? The answer is nothing.


Did I call my slot scum? No. That would be an amished tell.

For those of you that don't know what's going on; I've basically come up with a scumtell that if you *criticize* who you replaced in; you're scum.

So you misrepped the Amished tell, but not only that you tried to misrep the person who coined the phrase. It's right there.
Figuring out where I start out in the game is not bad

Actually it is. How did you know the previous slot did nothing unless you looked? Also why would you look at the status of your own slot instead of checking out the status of the game overall? It's remarkable what you DIDN'T have time to do.

If Reinoe doesn't flip scum then I will self-vote and park my vote their for the rest of the game.
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In post 551, Matsumi Sisters wrote:Sorry, i've been skimming the thread mostly and decided to just wing it from there.
@Reinoe: That's interesting wanna make a bet about what randomiget will flip? If he flips town then i'll self-vote all day tomorrow, if he flips scum then you will sheep my every vote.

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In post 606, reinoe wrote:
In post 602, Matsumi Sisters wrote:Oh wow I was at L-1? i didnt realize.
My previous post, I had planned on claiming but i left it as a breadcrumb instead.
And since people insist
Unvote
Vote: Flames

This is why matsu Needed to be at l-1. Look at that lack of claim. Shows how insincere the "oh I'll self vote "comment was.

I'm gonna be pissed if we waste another fucking 10 days Farting around not lynching this shit.


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Post Post #4942 (isolation #102) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:02 am

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In post 4940, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4931, reinoe wrote:So you misrepped the Amished tell, but not only that you tried to misrep the person who coined the phrase. It's right there.

Get out of here.

There is nothing scummy about saying your predecessor did nothing when they did nothing. He didn't criticize his predecessor as the word is meant in the quotes you are using. Saying they did nothing is not a criticism in terms of alignment which is how the Amished tell is applied.

Beast constantly complains about how he doesn't have time to get caught up, but why did he take the time to check on the status of his slot? How did he know his predescessor did nothing unless he checked first? Also why is Beast actively lurking and selectively choosing not to answer some questions and then choosing to answer others?
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Post Post #4945 (isolation #103) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:14 am

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In post 4943, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4842, goodmorning wrote:Eminently possible, given Thor's role.

So what I'm doing is a bus then, yeah?

@Beast
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Can both of you tell me why you opted not to target Boon with your investigation?

I did nvestigate boon. I got a not-mafia result. Cuz you know his claim was dicey and that's what a good cop would do.
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Post Post #4949 (isolation #104) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:10 am

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In post 4947, Thor665 wrote:
In post 3183, reinoe wrote:
In post 3179, TierShift wrote:so...you're assuming boon truthfully claims his role as SK?


If he's already pm'ed the mod and know he's immune to cops sure why not? He's immune to gunsmiths. His BP claim will look legit to rolecops. A SK can last a long time in a large by just being UTR and by claiming BP he can avoid scum kills. My concern is that he claims BP in order to draw a NK. That makes 0 sense even from a VI p.o.v. It's all WIFOM but I want Boon to explain it with an excuse besides "oh yeah I'm a VI lolz". Town BP have every incentive to deliberately draw kills. That's literally a town BP's job. Attempt to draw a NK. Now I'm not sure how someone actually does that but "herp a derp I'm VI lolz" is not one of them.

@Reinoe - what changed your opinion from this point vis-a-vi investigating Boon?

Because boon's if he's scum he's not an easy lynch. His play may look very VI but it looks town.

But my result plus the events of n2 clarified things for me. Three kills+"not mafia" result suggests it's not Sk+scum. Because BP werewolf defeats the purpose of cross-kills.
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Post Post #4958 (isolation #105) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:04 pm

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In post 4956, Thor665 wrote:Actually, on re-read Beasts' claim and actions seem to line up better than I had recalled

I find that nothing he's said lines up. For example he's claiming that the reason he found me suspicious is that I asked someone "who's town". However that's a similar question he asked when replaced into the game. And he never followed up and interrogated me about it.

And lately he's been saying that he was only been pretending to lurk to stay under the radar, but he's been caught active lurking and posting right after someone makes an accusation at him.
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Post Post #4962 (isolation #106) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:36 pm

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In post 4960, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4958, reinoe wrote:
In post 4956, Thor665 wrote:Actually, on re-read Beasts' claim and actions seem to line up better than I had recalled

I find that nothing he's said lines up. For example he's claiming that the reason he found me suspicious is that I asked someone "who's town". However that's a similar question he asked when replaced into the game. And he never followed up and interrogated me about it.

And lately he's been saying that he was only been pretending to lurk to stay under the radar, but he's been caught active lurking and posting right after someone makes an accusation at him.

Please describe why, as scum, he would claim a false result on you at a point where he didn't even really look to be in that much risk of being lynched and at a point in the game where any non-Werewolf faction (which, by definition you claim to know exists) would have just been given a leg up on the wolves, or, if he's a wolf, had just lost a member and was down on the scorecards.

The scum plan literally is 'I'mma screw over my slot to deal with the threat of Reinoe!'
And the only way that works is if he's a two shot role cop or something. I dunno, if they have daytalk maybe he's the chosen sacrifice - but, still - it's a sacrifice play. Why do you think he did it?

GM can try to field that one too from within her cloud of wonders.

Addressing when I get home and don't have to phone post.
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Post Post #4986 (isolation #107) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:49 pm

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In post 4952, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 4942, reinoe wrote:Also why is Beast actively lurking and selectively choosing not to answer some questions and then choosing to answer others?


Which ones have a missed?

In post 4788, Izariael wrote:
In post 4782, beastcharizard wrote:Reinoe is just scum. Call it gut or whatever you want they just give me no town vibes what so ever.

Thor is leaning town because of how Reinoe treats them. I don't see them being partners together.

goodmorning is interaction with Reinoe. At least one of the people in Reinoe's big question post around when they first came in has to be scum. We have eliminated Thor by interaction and goodmorning fits the bill greatly.


So you've scumread reinoe from gutfeels, then felt comfortable listing Thor and goodmorning as leaning town and scum respectively because of their interactions with said scumread? There's nothing at all from either of them that you felt was alignment-indicative?
They've both been far more active than reinoe, seeing as reinoe was a slot replacement. What about Day 1 stuff from gm/Thor?



In post 4862, reinoe wrote:So beast, if you have such a huge problem with asking "who is town"...

1) why did you do it?

2) why didn't you interrogate me about it?


In post 4901, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4899, T S O wrote:I'm conflicted about this, even though I normally just go with the first claim and really want to do so here as well.


There are things to be conflicted about.
Beast not answering my questions is one.
That looks shifty to me.

In post 4903, Shiro wrote:Best is avoiding answering anything really.(still hasnt explained how scripten vote on cho make me scum) (or post the post for that matter axl did)
Beast since you apparenly were faking being behind why did u vote dave? why was reinoe a scum read at the time in order to make him worth investigating over other people ?

The above doesn't directly involve you ignoring questions but I would like to point out it's been very noticable by the players who have been trying to engage with you.
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Post Post #4988 (isolation #108) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:54 pm

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In post 4985, Josh_B wrote:OK nothing new has really happened. I still believe beast charizard's claim over reinoe's. because...

In post 4945, reinoe wrote:I did nvestigate boon.
I got a
not-mafia
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Cuz you know his claim was dicey and that's what a good cop would do.


doesn't make total sense when there's a
werewolf
faction.

It's the opposite. Something like this directly implies multiball. As opposed to "guilty/not guilty" which wouldn't clue players in that it's multiball. However we didn't find out that there were WW until Night 2, with Scripten getting killed.

Boonskiies surmised based on his role that it was multiball. Once I got results and scripten flipped, I knew it was multiball because herr durr, I as a cop I look for mafia. So I knew there were WW and Mafia.
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Post Post #4989 (isolation #109) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:57 pm

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In post 4950, beastcharizard wrote:

Did you not read the whole thing where I was pretending to not read?

Wait, if you were pretending you weren't reading but you actually were then why did you ask about the position your slot was in...
In post 2256, beastcharizard wrote:What is everyone's read on my slot?

In post 2258, beastcharizard wrote:He did nothing. And that is the truth.

So then you didn't accidentally engage in Amished tell, you deliberately set it up. Like C'mon guys this is getting really obvious.
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Post Post #4991 (isolation #110) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:45 pm

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In post 4960, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4958, reinoe wrote:
In post 4956, Thor665 wrote:Actually, on re-read Beasts' claim and actions seem to line up better than I had recalled

I find that nothing he's said lines up. For example he's claiming that the reason he found me suspicious is that I asked someone "who's town". However that's a similar question he asked when replaced into the game. And he never followed up and interrogated me about it.

And lately he's been saying that he was only been pretending to lurk to stay under the radar, but he's been caught active lurking and posting right after someone makes an accusation at him.

Please describe why, as scum, he would claim a false result on you at a point where he didn't even really look to be in that much risk of being lynched and at a point in the game where any non-Werewolf faction (which, by definition you claim to know exists) would have just been given a leg up on the wolves, or, if he's a wolf, had just lost a member and was down on the scorecards.

The scum plan literally is 'I'mma screw over my slot to deal with the threat of Reinoe!'
And the only way that works is if he's a two shot role cop or something. I dunno, if they have daytalk maybe he's the chosen sacrifice - but, still - it's a sacrifice play. Why do you think he did it?

GM can try to field that one too from within her cloud of wonders.

This all screamS gambit to me...

In post 3907, beastcharizard wrote:I didn't know my course load was going to increase and it was an agreement of cross-replace.

Beast can't keep up with the game. A wagon was starting to develop on him and Beast doesn't have the time to defray the wagon+people are starting to both scumread him and consider him worthy of policy lynch due to lurking. So he gambits to take out the cop for his team, honors the obligations he has to Aegor, and is still playing to his win condition. It's a gambit that could have potentially bought him one more day.

Disclaimer:The above is 100% WIFOM but WIFOM is all you've got when trying to explain gambits.

Thor, you mentioned that Beasts probably wasn't going to get lynched. I don't think anyone started day two thinking Davesez was going to get lynched and the suspicions on him were completely independent of lurking.
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Post Post #5002 (isolation #111) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:56 pm

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beastcharizard wrote:And yes my plans did change.

Can you change your plans again to answer these questions?
In post 4986, reinoe wrote:
In post 4952, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 4942, reinoe wrote:Also why is Beast actively lurking and selectively choosing not to answer some questions and then choosing to answer others?


Which ones have a missed?

In post 4788, Izariael wrote:
In post 4782, beastcharizard wrote:Reinoe is just scum. Call it gut or whatever you want they just give me no town vibes what so ever.

Thor is leaning town because of how Reinoe treats them. I don't see them being partners together.

goodmorning is interaction with Reinoe. At least one of the people in Reinoe's big question post around when they first came in has to be scum. We have eliminated Thor by interaction and goodmorning fits the bill greatly.


So you've scumread reinoe from gutfeels, then felt comfortable listing Thor and goodmorning as leaning town and scum respectively because of their interactions with said scumread? There's nothing at all from either of them that you felt was alignment-indicative?
They've both been far more active than reinoe, seeing as reinoe was a slot replacement. What about Day 1 stuff from gm/Thor?



In post 4862, reinoe wrote:So beast, if you have such a huge problem with asking "who is town"...

1) why did you do it?

2) why didn't you interrogate me about it?
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Post Post #5010 (isolation #112) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:01 am

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In post 4895, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4826, reinoe wrote:You'll all be happy to know that I got a not-mafia result on boonskies. Because that's how cops in multi-ball get results. Not in the forM of "guilty" "not guilty".

I really do not think this is true.

I'll look around later to see if this is true but I think its more about a mods personal choice in language.

In post 4835, reinoe wrote:Three kills in one night and Beast is pretending we don't all know it's multiball +vig.

3 kill=//=mutliball. Other than Boons claiming to know its MB....what makes you think its multiball? Or are you counting sk+ww as multiball?

Werewolf flip+my cop result is
not-mafia
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My cop result+Werewolf flip pretty much confirms multiball. The third kill re-affirms this further.
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Post Post #5011 (isolation #113) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:09 am

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In post 4837, Nero Cain wrote:I guess reinoe scum makes sense 'cause he wasn't playing super anti-town like last game and he has a cop guilty on him.

vote:renoe

Nero, I'm a little saddened by this. I confessed that I was trolling in that "completely ridiculous" game because I was roleplaying being "completely ridiculous". I had been wanting to troll a large game for a long time.

People are voting me for without thinking about whether it's right. Thinking about the game should show that Beast's claim does not make sense.
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Post Post #5017 (isolation #114) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:24 am

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Beast is now moved beyond obfuscation and is now flat out lying...again. I voted him because his post 4807 is the direct opposite of everything that's happened in the game at that point.


Also why is Beast accusing me of being mafia? I thought he got results of guilty-not guilty. If those are his results then he would be accusing me of being scum. Beast has just outed himself as a werewolf making a sacrifice play.
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Post Post #5018 (isolation #115) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:27 am

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In post 5017, reinoe wrote:Beast is now moved beyond obfuscation and is now flat out lying...again. I voted him because his post 4807 is the direct opposite of everything that's happened in the game at that point.


Also why is Beast accusing me of being mafia? I thought he got results of guilty-not guilty. If those are his results then he would be accusing me of being scum. Beast has just outed himself as a werewolf making a sacrifice play.

Well he could just as easily be mafia making a sacrifice play too.
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Post Post #5020 (isolation #116) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:43 am

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In post 5019, beastcharizard wrote:GUILTY is the result a cop gets! Cops inspect for MAFIA.

How is that not obvious?

Cops could just as easily get results on SK (but we don't have one) or WW. It depends on the mod. You're obviously faking.
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Post Post #5028 (isolation #117) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:45 am

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In post 5021, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4991, reinoe wrote:This all screamS gambit to me...

Why pick you though? No offense meant - but of all the available people to choose to 1 v 1 with as a gambit risk - why would you be amongst the top three choices?

Beast is making a sacrifice play. Either someone on his team or beast himself rolecopped me. He immediately tried to discredit our roles as the same. Look at all the credit he's being given for claiming first. Despite the fact that nothing about his play makes sense, getting him to clarify is like pulling teeth, he can't seem to keep track of whether he was not reading the thread or pretending to not read the thread. Finally his v/la activity is the exact same as his non-v/la activity. That's not scummy on its own but it's yet another strange thing on an ever increasing list of strange things about beast's play.
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Post Post #5040 (isolation #118) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:10 am

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In post 5039, beastcharizard wrote:I am a pro-gunsmith btw.

I think I would be called a gunsmith if I were one though.

Also, if I got a guilty on reinoe and I am a gunsmith that means...THEY HAVE A FREAKING GUN! What COP has a gun in mafia? Gun = can kill.

Cops have guns yo. Perhaps you've heard about Ferguson?
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Post Post #5042 (isolation #119) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:14 am

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In post 5030, Thor665 wrote:I will admit to doubt vis-a-vi running a sacrifice play to tag an even night cop.
I would feel bad for his scumbuddies if that was what he was doing - of course I feel sympathy for anyone aligned with him in this game...though that applies to a number of players.

That entire 5 person neighborhood (4 now) does feel town. At least one person who's been on Aneninen and Davesez is scum, but wouldn't be surprised if there's two.

Slaandar definitely fits. His focus on trying to catch me in these false gotcha moments is ugly. It's like he knows Beast is makng up crap but is ignoring all of it so that when I flip town cop he can just chain lynch. And isn't questioning beast about anything.

The amount of leeway being thrown beast's way is very educational about what a town is willing to tolerate when it comes to fake-claiming under pressure.
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Post Post #5050 (isolation #120) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:06 pm

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Ewwww...

In post 5043, Thor665 wrote:
That said - I think Slandaar looks pretty townish and is approaching the situation fairly.

Obviously you and I disagree here. Slandaar has been chainsaw defending Beast's claim and even inferring arguments that beast made that beast has never actually made.

In post 5043, Thor665 wrote:
Your secondary in time claim would be silly to take at face value - the only way it even makes sense is if there is a rolecop in Beast's faction, and, frankly, a lynch of you could work for me just to help learn that.

Yay for beast's fake claim then. While I don't deny that I'm in the unenviable situation of being on the receiving end of a literal "fake guilty" (because Beast refuses to even elaborate on how his cop result works), given the amount questionable behavior surrounding his claim I think it's crap that there are indeed a number of people taking his claim at face value. Like I said, if town mislynches me today then it'll be a case study on what types of behavior town will tolerate when there's a claim. Can I get a link to the time AP faked a guilty on you? Because I'm kinda surprised that given the amount of diceyness surrounding Beast's claim and the fact that you've been on the receiving end of a fake guilty, you're willing to accept this.

On a second note, I hate "information lynches" even more than quicklynches and compromise lynches. I've never seen "information lynch" give information that shouldn't readily be available. For example...we need to know if there's a rolecop. I just said there has to be one. Now of course you can assume I'm lying but you can more justifiably assume that it's the truth because holy crap Beast's play has been legit scummy.

In post 5043, Thor665 wrote:
You being town gives us confirmed BP town in Boonderp though - which is at least amusing as scum lose that easy as pie mislynch.

Boons is not an easy pie lynch, which was a contributing factor to why I investigated him. If he's scum, his play gets townread.
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Post Post #5057 (isolation #121) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:34 pm

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In post 4937, beastcharizard wrote:

@reinoe: I didn't have to look to know he did nothing. He literally was in my game for a long time and did nothing so it was a safe bet to know he did nothing. but I did go and look.
--->I looked to see if I was a claimed role and to see if I could find any crumbs.<---


@guy who said my promise was antitown:

I need to get people to understand I am
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Oh hey, look at what I found while getting drunk. Between admitting that he's not a power role, losing track of whether or not he was paying attention or pretending not to pay attention, and all the scum slips, I'm really not sure what more town could possibly want. Beast has done everything to look scummy except literally claim scum.
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Post Post #5058 (isolation #122) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:43 pm

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Can someone explain why an Even-Night Cop needs to check to see if their predecessor claimed any roles? I know I'm getting kinda drunk and will have to check out soon for the night but like wow, Beast has had a whole lotta scumslips.
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Post Post #5062 (isolation #123) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:28 am

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In post 5061, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4841, reinoe wrote:Beast is a rolecop guys.

Reinoe GETS FOUR VOTES before saying this.

Get it? Reread. Seriously.

BEAST GETS FOUR Votes before claiming!

Get it? Reread. Seriously.

I've been posting from work all week and was getting flashwagoned based on a fake-claim. I had to resort to phone posting in between phone calls. Your push on me is shit.
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Post Post #5073 (isolation #124) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:58 am

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@thor

In post 5050, reinoe wrote:

In post 5043, Thor665 wrote:
That is nothing - you should see AP's fakeclaim he ran on me. it literally made no sense at all and was provably wrong. Town mislynched me anyways because town is dumb and sheeps PRs whenever they get the excuse to shut down their brains and not do that painful "thinking" business.

Like I said, if town mislynches me today then it'll be a case study on what types of behavior town will tolerate when there's a claim.
Can I get a link to the time AP faked a guilty on you?
Because I'm kinda surprised that given the amount of diceyness surrounding Beast's claim and the fact that you've been on the receiving end of a fake guilty, you're willing to accept this.
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Post Post #5074 (isolation #125) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:17 am

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In post 5069, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 5058, reinoe wrote:Can someone explain why an Even-Night Cop needs to check to see if their predecessor claimed any roles? I know I'm getting kinda drunk and will have to check out soon for the night but like wow, Beast has had a whole lotta scumslips.


Well I have seen a slot claim 3 different roles by 3 different people in said slot and it was a town slot. I needed to see if my predecessor left any crumbs to make my claim more meaningful. You can't deny crumbs someone made before I was in the game. Well you can but they are harder to dispute. Lastly if they had claimed after being run up i would have adjusted my play because my plan was to lay low and use my PR as to not get shot but as ah outed PR I should actually do something since i was probably going to die at night anyway.

But once again this doesn't make sense. You're saying your play is entirely self-conscience and you care almost exclusively about how your claim would come across. Like why the hell does a cop truly care about how their claim comes across? The only time I have trouble convincing people of a claim is when I'm faking. Seriously...

In MINI 1696 (THE GAME REFERENCED EARLIER) I fake claimed nurse. In mini 1600 I fake claimed cop guilty on someone. Those are the only times I've had trouble convincing people of a claim. I even claimed a customized role recently in NY 177, and even though it was a customized role people believed it because I was telling the truth. If your claim matches you play people believe it.
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Post Post #5075 (isolation #126) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:21 am

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@thor & Nero...


What are your thoughts on it being so difficult to get beast to clearly explain how his role works? Cop should not be difficult to explain.
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Post Post #5082 (isolation #127) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:56 am

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In post 5076, Slandaar wrote:Lets be real.

For Reinoe to be town:
Beast or his team must have a rolecop and investigated Reinoe N1/N2.
Beast was either told to or decided to fake a guilty on Reinoe on discovery of his role.
Beast and/or his team decided his life was in such a perilous position that sacrificing Beast to Lynch Reinoe is good play instead of just ... shooting Reinoe tonight?

Points against Reinoe:
Reinoe had not crumbed his result or even hinted it. He even delayed (by 4 mins) his result after he claimed.
Reinoe entered today with the old 'Oh there is a WW flips let's look for interactions' which is a scumtell in itself.
He delayed the mention of Rolecop.

Points against Beast:
Well... uh... He hasn't been very active until today.
Hasn't completely clarified how his role works although I assume this will be clarified when he receives a mod response to his question.

Points for Beast:
Came into the day with an agenda: to lynch Reinoe
This is a form of crumbing. His result is clear.
Was 'losing the battle' so claimed his result.

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@thor
That said - I think Slandaar looks pretty townish and is approaching the situation fairly.

Do you think Slandaar completely ignoring the "points for reinoe" section is indicative of him approaching this fairly in his analysis? Because from my position it looks like he's a "me too" voter who is ignoring and/or downplaying beast's bullshit.
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Post Post #5085 (isolation #128) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:11 am

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In post 5081, T S O wrote:because he irrationally thought playing his usual game would get him bulletss

Wouldn't that kind of paranoia come from scum worried about cross-kills?
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Post Post #5087 (isolation #129) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:48 am

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In post 5062, reinoe wrote:
In post 5061, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4841, reinoe wrote:Beast is a rolecop guys.

Reinoe GETS FOUR VOTES before saying this.

Get it? Reread. Seriously.

BEAST GETS FOUR Votes before claiming!

Get it? Reread. Seriously.

I've been posting from work all week and was getting flashwagoned based on a fake-claim. I had to resort to phone posting in between phone calls. Your push on me is shit.

The fact that Beast can play like he has and only claimed after a wagon was on him is mindblowing. Simply mindblowing. I'm gonna ignore this thread for a bit because my only other recourse is to start raging and I've been trying really hard to rage less after getting warned.
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Post Post #5088 (isolation #130) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:32 am

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In post 5076, Slandaar wrote:
Points against Reinoe:
Reinoe had not crumbed his result or even hinted it. He even delayed (by 4 mins) his result after he claimed.

Looking for any associations with the WEREWOLF was way more important to me. Hey, that four minute delay was me checking my pm's to make sure I posted my results exactly like the ones I got in my pm. Compare and contrast that with Beast who has to make shit up and so it's taking him all DP to properly get his fake claim right.
In post 5076, Slandaar wrote:
Reinoe entered today with the old 'Oh there is a WW flips let's look for interactions' which is a scumtell in itself.

How the fuck is that a scumtell. Also, you'll forgive me because I look for associations with the scum flip in every game. So you can go fuck off.
In post 5076, Slandaar wrote:He delayed the mention of Rolecop.

Yeah I sure did. Because I could not figure out how it was possible for us to have the same role. That's what town does. Figure out how things make sense and why things don't make sense. Oh yeah and how is that a scumtell?
In post 5076, Slandaar wrote:Points against Beast:
Well... uh... He hasn't been very active until today.

Yeah exactly. It's like the more he posts the more questionable he looks so...he hasn't been very active today.
In post 5076, Slandaar wrote:Hasn't completely clarified how his role works although I assume this will be clarified when he receives a mod response to his question.
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Wait wait wait. You make a big deal about a shocking FOUR MINUTES!!!!!!! of me checking my PM but are making minutiae of how Beast's claim is scummy and fake.

Oh yeah and he refuses to answer questions. And his thought process doesn't make sense. And he had a wagon on him starting to develop which is why he claimed. And he's been caught flat out lying and...Seriously fuck you. There's no other way to say it. Everything about your posts is pissing me off.

In post 5076, Slandaar wrote:Points for Beast:
Came into the day with an agenda: to lynch Reinoe
Yep. He was pretty determined to get that fake guilty out there.

In post 5076, Slandaar wrote:His result is clear.

Yep it's so clear that everyone has to constantly ask him for how his result works. He's probably been pm'ing the mod for a proper fake-claim but he can't get one so he's stalling.

So basically you've decided to just scumread things that are townie and townread things that are scummy. Slandaar is scum even if he isn't the same alignment as Beast. That's a fact and a promise.

Ok now I'm done for a while. Just the act of responding to Slandaar angries up the blood. I don't know if the smiley is an acknowledgement that he's making up this bullshit and knows it or what.
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Post Post #5095 (isolation #131) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:19 am

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In post 5094, Slandaar wrote:
In post 5092, Shiro wrote:As scum it the worst possible claim to make cause it too big of a coincidence.

What else is he going to claim?

Miller...which is what I advocated the last time I was scum...

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In post 95, TheWayItEnds wrote:Haha Reinoe you cant seriously think me bussing BP is wrong.

Its a cop guilty.

If I dont get killed by the SK theres no chance I'm ever lynched, ever.

BP should have claimed miller,
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Post Post #5098 (isolation #132) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:47 am

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@Iza,


we haven't talked at all this game, and because of beast's fake-claim it looks like this could be it...
What do you think about Slandaar's behavior regarding Beast's claim and how he has been pushing this wagon on me?

What do you think about how he pushed the Dave mislynch and the aneninen mislynch?
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Post Post #5100 (isolation #133) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:15 pm

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In post 5098, reinoe wrote:
@Iza,


we haven't talked at all this game, and because of beast's fake-claim it looks like this could be it...
What do you think about Slandaar's behavior regarding Beast's claim and how he has been pushing this wagon on me?

What do you think about how he pushed the Dave mislynch and the
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Post Post #5109 (isolation #134) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:51 pm

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In post 5105, beastcharizard wrote:I had to ask the mod another question as to make sure I am not breaking the rules. So yall have to wait until I get another answer.

Are you fucking kidding me. How complicated is it to understand a cop result? A cop is one of the easiest and straightforward roles in the game.

As a reminder to everyone...

SLANDAAR is making a gigantic fuss about getting a result four minutes after I posted my role. Four minutes=probably fake in slandaar's world but...well I've lost track of how many days it's been since Beast has fake claimed. It's been like a week.

And remember, I have a job. I had to place customer on hold, check my phone, check my pm, and post results while typing on a phone, and did this all while a customer was on hold. And he's also making a big deal about how I didn't post results until "a wagon formed". He's doing this while ignoring...

1)Beast claimed his role while getting wagoned and was in a much more dire situation...

2)I was flashwagoned, as in I got a bunch of votes very quickly.

Slandaar is literally taking me to task for having a job. Not everyone can live in their mom's basement unemployed you fucking loser.
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Post Post #5111 (isolation #135) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:21 pm

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In post 5110, beastcharizard wrote:Well when the mod says I might be breaking the rules I would like clarification on it. I could just get myself modkilled and you get lynched today anyway if that is what you really want.

I dare you. And when you decline, it'll be yet another mark against you in the near endless marks against you. Scum are always making deals that they weasel out of, because at the end of the day scum rely on paranoia, false information, and lies.
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Post Post #5115 (isolation #136) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:09 pm

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@MOD


Since this was the Thanksgiving weekend, is it possible to get a three day extension?
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Post Post #5141 (isolation #137) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:57 am

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In post 5127, Nero Cain wrote: cop.

So to me it looks like Ren is lying here and we should lynch the fuck out of the Beast wagon when Ren flips scum.

In post 4937, beastcharizard wrote:
I looked to see if I was a claimed role and to see if I could find any crumbs.

He needs to check to see if his previous slot holder claimed a role? Sounds like he was preparing his gambit...
In post 4950, beastcharizard wrote:

Did you not read the whole thing where I was pretending to not read?

He was accused of not reading the game, but in reality he was only pretending ok to not read the game. Does that sound legit to you?
In post 4951, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 4943, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4842, goodmorning wrote:Eminently possible, given Thor's role.

So what I'm doing is a bus then, yeah?

@Beast
@Reinoe

Can both of you tell me why you opted not to target Boon with your investigation?


Because I thought i would have a better chance of a guilty on Reinoe rather than Boon. I like being the hero rather than clearing things up.

This doesn't actually answer the question posed to him.

In post 5008, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4971, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4970, beastcharizard wrote:If I am lynched for some dumb reason, yall are going to flash lynch Reinoe tomorrow right?

If you flip even night cop - clearly yes.
If not - clearly no.

Why even ask this?


Err becuase he is not.

If he was it would not be a question he would even think about?
if he was a cop he could be smug in knowledge it would happen not be looking to make deals.

Axxle has the right of it.
In post 5019, beastcharizard wrote:GUILTY is the result a cop gets! Cops inspect for MAFIA.

How is that not obvious?

And here Beast is showing his ignorance. We had a werewolf flip and he has no idea how his investigation interacts with werewolves. Of course, the "mafia/not mafia" result that I got clarifies everything because my role is real and his is fake. Beast doesn't think of this and has been stalling for time ever since.

In post 5039, beastcharizard wrote:I am a pro-gunsmith btw.

I think I would be called a gunsmith if I were one though.

Also, if I got a guilty on reinoe and I am a gunsmith that means...THEY HAVE A FREAKING GUN! What COP has a gun in mafia? Gun = can kill.

Ugh oh, if he's a gunsmith? All of a sudden Beast just isn't so sure what his role is...because he's fake claiming.

In post 5112, beastcharizard wrote:I am nto going to get myself modkilled that would be stupid.

I only get guiltys on non-town unless the person is a miller. I was not told if it was just mafia or Werewolf though. I guess we will find out when Reinoe flips.

But then wouldn't his results be "town/not town"? And why didn't he ask about werewolves? That's been one of the questions posed to him.

Cop is one of the easiest, most straightforward roles in the game. Nobody has had to ask me to clarify my results. mafia/not mafia. Easy, elegant, crystal clear, fits right in with multiball. We've repeatedly asked beast to clarify how he gets results and all he's done is stall and claim he needs to pm the mod repeatedly.
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Post Post #5145 (isolation #138) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:34 am

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In post 5127, Nero Cain wrote:I guess to be fair, in a game with both a WW faction and a mafia faction a cop would be a "faction" cop and get guilties on only mafia but A.) its a leap in logic to assume that we have a mafia faction and B.) Ren did
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1)Why is it a leap in logic to have a mafia faction when I got results of "mafia/not mafia"?
2)I did claim to be Even-night cop though.

So it's confirmed that my wagon consists of people not reading the game at all and are blindly sheeping an obviously fake guilty.
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Post Post #5153 (isolation #139) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:23 am

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In post 5149, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 4945, reinoe wrote:I did nvestigate boon.
I got a not-mafia result
. Cuz you know his claim was dicey and that's what a good cop would do.

pretty sure he claimed even night cop....[/quote]
If you knew I claimed Even-Night Cop why does it matter to you that I did not claim faction cop, which is not even a normal role?
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Post Post #5154 (isolation #140) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:29 am

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In post 5148, Slandaar wrote:Reinoe, are you busy with more customers again?

Let me pm the mod and I'll get back to you.
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Post Post #5155 (isolation #141) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:40 am

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In post 5154, reinoe wrote:
In post 5148, Slandaar wrote:Reinoe, are you busy with more customers again?

Let me pm the mod and I'll get back to you.

That's a joke btw mocking Beast's obvious stall tactics. No I'm not working a 14 hr shift today. But I will be leaving soon. Are you asking because you just can't wrap your mind around the notion of people going to work before the sun rises and getting home after the sun sets? Or are you asking because you can't understand the concept of people not being available 24-7 to answer your stupid questions about mafia?
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Post Post #5166 (isolation #142) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:34 am

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In post 5160, beastcharizard wrote:
Lynching me is against town win con since I am the town cop but ok.

A town cop who has to consult the sun the moon and the stars to understand his results. Have you considered tea leaves, palmreading or not lying?
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Post Post #5167 (isolation #143) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:37 am

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In post 5164, T S O wrote:its not multiball guys nero wins again

So we've got two vigs and a single scum faction? Or a single vig and the scum team has two nk's. That's your theory?
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Post Post #5168 (isolation #144) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:39 am

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In post 5157, Slandaar wrote:You have time to post that nonsense but not answer my question?

I see.

Yep and we'll experience the heat death of the universe before I answer it too. You should leave your mm's basement sometime and get some sun.
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Post Post #5169 (isolation #145) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:42 am

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In post 5152, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5145, reinoe wrote:Why is it a leap in logic to have a mafia faction when I got results of "mafia/not mafia"?

'cause I don't know if its true or not.

You should ISO beast and then explain why you believe his claim after doing so. It's a relatively short read.
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Post Post #5184 (isolation #146) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:55 pm

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Hi honey's I'm home!

I'm pretty sure once Nero gives Beast's ISO a look he'll be switching his vote.

The more people think about what does and doesn't make sense the more they realize Beast's play has been fucking shit and how he can't possibly be a cop unless he's a role-cop. Thus the danger of a fake guilty is exposed. You might get a lynch because of a flashwagon but he had to cross his fingers and had to hope that momentum didn't run out of steam.

I asked at the beginning of this whole ordeal how Beast could possibly be town and I notice that nobody has stepped up to that plate except Slandaar who's obviously Beast's partner, and thor and even he's giving Beast's claim the "wtf is this shit" treatment it so obviously deserves.
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Post Post #5188 (isolation #147) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:25 pm

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In post 5178, beastcharizard wrote:I was told about a rule that I could potentially break so I made sure I wasn't going to break it before responding. I don't think I can tell you what rule it was though.

It's ok if you want to discuss what you and your scumbuddies talked about in your scum Quick topic. Just paraphrase for us so you don't get modkilled.
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Post Post #5219 (isolation #148) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:39 am

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In post 5169, reinoe wrote:
In post 5152, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5145, reinoe wrote:Why is it a leap in logic to have a mafia faction when I got results of "mafia/not mafia"?

'cause I don't know if its true or not.

You should ISO beast and then explain why you believe his claim after doing so. It's a relatively short read.
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Post Post #5220 (isolation #149) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:43 am

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In post 5111, reinoe wrote:
In post 5110, beastcharizard wrote:Well when the mod says I might be breaking the rules I would like clarification on it. I could just get myself modkilled and you get lynched today anyway if that is what you really want.

I dare you. And when you decline, it'll be yet another mark against you in the near endless marks against you. Scum are always making deals that they weasel out of, because at the end of the day scum rely on paranoia, false information, and lies.


In post 5112, beastcharizard wrote:I am nto going to get myself modkilled

lulz.
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Post Post #5222 (isolation #150) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:46 am

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In post 5218, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5173, Shiro wrote:@Nero So you do not find Beast ambigius way weird ?

Also I did say He did't retract his claim and said he is gs BUT He did let it be implied that it might be possible when he said that he is going to ask the mod for clarification about his role cause he is not sure what he is finding people guilty of.

You are an experienced person right ? Tell me wouldn't a pm be specific about what your role does ?

Also I trust Rei over Beast. Rei claims to have a not mafia on Boon. We have a ww flip. Shocking I think we have mafia and ww instead of sk. Why would that be

no not really.

Yes a WW has flipped so we know there's a WW faction. We have a second unaccounted kill. That kill either came from a mafia or an sk. please explain how you you can tell the difference between a mafia kill and an sk kill. 'Cause to me that seems impossible and this whole "we obviously have a mafia team and not an sk" looks more like an agenda than anything based in sound reasoning.

Beast is fake claiming a "guilty" on me and claims I'm mafia. Why aren't you showing any skepticism towards that?
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Post Post #5224 (isolation #151) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:50 am

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Like, Nero is expressing all this doubt about there being mafia but doesn't bat an eye at beast fake-Claiming mafia on me, even though his result makes no mention of mafia. Nero' is really bending over backwards to not make this connection.
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Post Post #5250 (isolation #152) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:17 pm

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I've come home to a truly spectacular meltdown.
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Post Post #5257 (isolation #153) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:51 am

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In post 5241, beastcharizard wrote:
CLAIMING REAL ROLE!!!

Scum!

ftfy.

Real question: why do people think "bad claim"=town? Can someone point me to an example of where a claim had more holes in it than swiss cheese turned out to be true cuz I've only ever seen that come from someone faking. While we're at it these recent posts have reminded me...

In post 5073, reinoe wrote:
@thor

In post 5050, reinoe wrote:

In post 5043, Thor665 wrote:
That is nothing - you should see AP's fakeclaim he ran on me. it literally made no sense at all and was provably wrong. Town mislynched me anyways because town is dumb and sheeps PRs whenever they get the excuse to shut down their brains and not do that painful "thinking" business.

Like I said, if town mislynches me today then it'll be a case study on what types of behavior town will tolerate when there's a claim.
Can I get a link to the time AP faked a guilty on you?
Because I'm kinda surprised that given the amount of diceyness surrounding Beast's claim and the fact that you've been on the receiving end of a fake guilty, you're willing to accept this.


In post 5082, reinoe wrote:
In post 5076, Slandaar wrote:Lets be real.

For Reinoe to be town:
Beast or his team must have a rolecop and investigated Reinoe N1/N2.
Beast was either told to or decided to fake a guilty on Reinoe on discovery of his role.
Beast and/or his team decided his life was in such a perilous position that sacrificing Beast to Lynch Reinoe is good play instead of just ... shooting Reinoe tonight?

Points against Reinoe:
Reinoe had not crumbed his result or even hinted it. He even delayed (by 4 mins) his result after he claimed.
Reinoe entered today with the old 'Oh there is a WW flips let's look for interactions' which is a scumtell in itself.
He delayed the mention of Rolecop.

Points against Beast:
Well... uh... He hasn't been very active until today.
Hasn't completely clarified how his role works although I assume this will be clarified when he receives a mod response to his question.

Points for Beast:
Came into the day with an agenda: to lynch Reinoe
This is a form of crumbing. His result is clear.
Was 'losing the battle' so claimed his result.

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@thor

That said - I think Slandaar looks pretty townish and is approaching the situation fairly.

Do you think Slandaar completely ignoring the "points for reinoe" section is indicative of him approaching this fairly in his analysis? Because from my position it looks like he's a "me too" voter who is ignoring and/or downplaying beast's bullshit.
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Post Post #5258 (isolation #154) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:52 am

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In post 5251, beastcharizard wrote:I wouldn't call what you did a meltdown reinoe.

Why stop at one fake-claim when you can have several? If my mislynch goes through then this town will believe anything.
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Post Post #5259 (isolation #155) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:58 am

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It's raining and I'm listening to "Strange Fruit" by Billy Holliday. <Provacative Social Comment Goes Here>
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Post Post #5271 (isolation #156) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:43 am

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In post 5256, Thor665 wrote:
In post 5175, Aegor wrote:Flubbernugget is V/LA indefinitely

As another easy hint to said Vig.
I mean, seriously.

Why do you think someone with an illness in the family and going on v/la in all their games should be vigged?

Other stuff later.
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Post Post #5282 (isolation #157) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:55 pm

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beastcharizard wrote:What did you want me to do? Keep my real role a secret and get lynched then have the whole game be like: "WHy the hell didn't beast claim his real role? That was stupid. I would have believed him if he said he was a prime night cop." I wasn't going to let that happen. Prime night is an odd role variable so in general it is harder to believe which is why I tried to crumb it. I decided to not truthfully claim my modifier because I thought I would get Reinoe lynched then have another chance to find scum tonight.

I claimed my real role as a last resort so we at least get a scum lynch today and scum HAVE to shoot me tonight.

After we lynch reinoe the chances of me being alive are slim to none. There is a much greater gain from a reinoe lynch and a much greater loss from a me lynch. You should see that this is the case.

If I were scum this would literally be a suicide mission for no damn reason. I know I could have gotten out of being today's lynch as scum.

Also, you not seeing that I am town is going to fuck you over right now today.

If I am not dead tomorrow then we can lynch me for all I care. I just want the reinoe lynch today. I probably won't live to tomorrow anyway because I have caught half the scum team already and they need me to be shut up.

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Post Post #5302 (isolation #158) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:29 pm

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In post 5283, Nero Cain wrote:Ren, what do you think of GM *clearly* calling Beast scum and not hammering thus artificially prolonging the game?

The same thing I think after thor spent all that time interrogating Beast, calling his claim shit but saying he would vote me but didn't until beast's awful claim became even worse. The same thing I think about you calling thor scum all the live long day and even advocating his policy lynch but not hammering. It's weird and aggravating but that's all it is, weird and aggravating. Plus she did this in the first game I played on mafia scum when we were in lylo only she did it for nearly 12 days instead of what...24 hrs?

I called for a day extension which also artificially prolonged the game.
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Post Post #5304 (isolation #159) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:51 pm

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In post 5303, beastcharizard wrote:Why did you ask for said extension?

Because Nero, Josh, Flubber, TSO, and Flubber had been pretty much MIA the entire time and the Thanksgiving weekend seemed to be a logical explanation.
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Post Post #5309 (isolation #160) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:36 pm

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In post 5308, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5302, reinoe wrote:
In post 5283, Nero Cain wrote:Ren, what do you think of GM *clearly* calling Beast scum and not hammering thus artificially prolonging the game?

The same thing I think after thor spent all that time interrogating Beast, calling his claim shit but saying he would vote me but didn't until beast's awful claim became even worse. The same thing I think about you calling thor scum all the live long day and even advocating his policy lynch but not hammering. It's weird and aggravating but that's all it is, weird and aggravating. Plus she did this in the first game I played on mafia scum when we were in lylo only she did it for nearly 12 days instead of what...24 hrs?

I called for a day extension which also artificially prolonged the game.

So I was "scummy" for this but somehow Thor and GM aren't. I see selective scumhunting.

I also think there's a HUGE difference in what I did and what GM is doing.

If you recalled I initially said
"The difference is trying to determine if there's scum motivation or town motivation. The stuff coming from Nero feels townie."
Then this happened..."

"1)You scum read thor
2)you think thor is PL worthy
3)you think JK is a common scum RB claim.

4)You don't hammer thor? WTF is this?"


which ended in...

"blegh maybe I was just pissed that Nero didn't hammer."


So I think I've been pretty consistent in finding that behavior aggravating and weird. I don't think there's a huge difference at all.
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Post Post #5311 (isolation #161) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:52 pm

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In post 5310, Nero Cain wrote:Were you pissed at the players that unvoted Thor?

No just you.
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Post Post #5315 (isolation #162) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:27 pm

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In post 5314, beastcharizard wrote: And if this isn't multiball?

I thought you had a cop guilty on me? Are you starting to forget your own fake-claim. :lol:

In post 5314, beastcharizard wrote:
I have never heard of someone lynching the cop to find out if they guilty is true rather than lynching the guilty to see if the cop is true.

Which explains why you didn't expect things to backfire.
In post 5314, beastcharizard wrote:How often do people fake guilties?

Besides yourself, we've got two people in this game who have faked results on other players and a third player who was on the receiving end. That's just off the top of my head.
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Post Post #5330 (isolation #163) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:17 am

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Derpiest mislynch ever. Very valuable info learned about fake claiming.
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Post Post #5334 (isolation #164) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:02 am

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In post 5332, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 5330, reinoe wrote:Derpiest mislynch ever. Very valuable info learned about fake claiming.


I don't understand why you are keeping up the facade. You are already lynched. Just say I got you and be done with it.

Beast has successfully faked a guilty on me despite all the problems with his claim.

Slandaar is still scum.
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Post Post #5335 (isolation #165) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:00 am

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My biggest disappointment is that GM didn't hammer. I know I said the same thing about Nero, but maybe she's scum? It's just a hunch.
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Post Post #5908 (isolation #166) » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:54 pm

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VOTE: Flubber
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