NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

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Post Post #4025  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:21 pm

In post 4023, The Fonz wrote:Given that your stated preference for me or TSO (who's requested replacement) over Flub is that 'You'd rather lynch a lurksack like me' that the alternative I'm pressing is more of a 'lurksack' is at least somewhat relevant.

I was actually pointing out that if your ability to defend your lurksackiness is based off saying you're better than another player who isn't saying or doing much - it's not a defense.

In post 4023, The Fonz wrote:Ex-Smurfing scuse me? Why is my wagon useless? It isn't a one-man vanity wagon, and the only clearly more viable counterwagon is Josh.

So it's 3rd wagon - who was the last person to vote for it and when?
That's why it's useless.
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Post Post #4026  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:21 pm

In post 4022, The Fonz wrote:Anyway. People oughta unvote. I'm intrigued as to what Thor can do if he's not holding back the tide of derp.


That might even be alignment indicative yeah?

@Fonz so your not voting garmr and i am not voting Flubber why not?

Where is your best shot at convincing me to vote Flubber?
and my best shot at convincing you is up a few posts. (the @Flubber thing...)

Although I could update the Garmr scummy contradiction when voting Anen, thus.

Garmr did not really push Boonskiies. Go back and read his ISO near/prior to 418.
Was Garmr even seriously trying to get read?

When Garmr was voting Anen did he try and progress the read get better evidence, or explain it clearly in the thread?

It was not Anen that stopped Garmr pushing Boon, it was that Garmr never really did try. Then there was claim.
Then Garmr wanted a new target and someone to blame for his old push being a do nothing fluff piece.
Thus came the vote on Anen.

I mean seriously Garmr asked a question, got an answer from Boon about the RVS. Accepted the answer!
Then a bit later said nah and voted Boon for it anyway? What kind of pressure was that?
and how could Garmr seriously think someone else would chainsaw such a fluffy do nothing push.

Vote Garmr it will make you feel god when he flips scum.

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Post Post #4027  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:25 pm

In post 4022, The Fonz wrote:Anyway. People oughta unvote. I'm intrigued as to what Thor can do if he's not holding back the tide of derp.

Probably the same as he did D1 and mislynch someone else he felt was a threat to him.

It's not going to be me.
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Post Post #4028  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:36 pm

Spoiler: vote counts from last game day
In post 1423, Aegor wrote:Votecount 1.11

[7]PeregrineV: Egg, Thor665, Muffin, Scripten, davesaz, The Fonz, Boonskiies
[4]Thor: goodmorning, Nero Cain, flubbernugget, PeregrineV
[3]Aneninen: T S O, Garmr, Cho
[2]Scripten: Izariael, TierShift
[2]T S O: AxleGreaser, Aneninen
[1]Cho: Grayfoxxxx

[2] Not Voting: Aeronaut, hephaestus

With 21 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline: (expired on 2014-10-18 22:12:03)

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Consider the deadline suspended until replacements are found.

Hephaestus has been prodded. Cho and Aeronaut are still being replaced. Izariael has one or two more days given that he told me he was going to be V/LA until last Friday.

In post 2007, Aegor wrote:Votecount 1.16

[7]PeregrineV: Egg, Thor665, Scripten, davesaz, The Fonz, Boonskiies, T S O
[4]Aneninen: WBOCampfire1104, Muffin, TierShift, Garmr
[4]Thor665: goodmorning, Nero Cain, flubbernugget, Izariael
[1]goodmorning: Slandaar
[1]Scripten: PeregrineV
[1]Slandaar: Aneninen
[1]T S O: AxleGreaser
[1]WBOCampire1104: Grayfoxxxx


[1] Not Voting: hephaestus

With 21 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline: suspended

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Still looking for a replacement.

In post 2110, Aegor wrote:Votecount 1.17

[5]Aneninen: WBOCampfire1104, Muffin, TierShift, Garmr, T S O
[5]PeregrineV: Egg, Thor665, Scripten, The Fonz, Boonskiies
[4]Thor665: goodmorning, Nero Cain, flubbernugget, Izariael
[1]Egg: davesaz
[1]goodmorning: Slandaar
[1]Scripten: PeregrineV
[1]Slandaar: Aneninen
[1]T S O: AxleGreaser
[1]WBOCampire1104: Grayfoxxxx


[1] Not Voting: hephaestus

With 21 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline: suspended

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Still looking for a replacement for WBOCampfire1104.


In the previous game day, your PereV wagon stalled (on 7) for 8 days, losing as many votes as it got.
Then went backwards down to 5.
(yeah it was bad)

BUT
That didn't mean it was dead wagon, and should be unvoted. You kept pushing it.

How come today, you call the Garmr wagon dead?

It looks little like convenient logic?

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Post Post #4029  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:38 pm

above ^^^
@Thor and related to the post

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Post Post #4030  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:38 pm

If people were being as aggressive about it as I was about Pere I would not be calling it dead.

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Post Post #4031  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:39 pm

@Mod Could you clean up all the broken quote boxes in my last few posts? Sorry, phone posting is a PITA.


Fixed
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Post Post #4032  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:47 pm

In post 4030, Thor665 wrote:If people were being as aggressive about it as I was about Pere I would not be calling it dead.

Axle's being pretty fucking aggressive about it, is what I would say if I was reading Axle's posts.

Maybe now he'll notice you're just saying what's convenient for you and people are swallowing it.
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Post Post #4033  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:59 pm

Thor, as a result of my epiphany, I was really expecting a different kind of answer.
If you really have no confidence that GM is scum, then kindly pick someone who is actually scummy instead of useless.
Staying on a no confidence and no reason wagon leads me to believe your "power role" is non-town. That impression can still be fixed.

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Post Post #4034  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:14 pm

In post 4030, Thor665 wrote:If people were being as aggressive about it as I was about Pere I would not be calling it dead.


Style. I like people to agree with my wagons for reasons, I probably could try to develop a meta of just aggressively berating people into agreeing, but
(1) I don't want to practice being that kind of person. (I am what I eat and do.)
(2) needing reasons in your town meta makes playing scum when you do from time to time really hard and fun at the same time.
(note was TBMK fairly standard mafia "hardball", but it does not sit well on me. (or i don't want it to) and hey, then the 2nd guy I suspected replaced out :(. == bad Axl? )
(but Thor thinks is pussy cat? odd. out of place. )


I am not aggressive in the same way as you.
But I know
anyone who is not a mini Thor is bad.

@Thor
What if the GM wagon just wont go/fly.
Who would be your second best lynch? (Well get to why if there is any common ground.)

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Post Post #4035  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:28 pm

Spoiler: shhh
In post 4032, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4030, Thor665 wrote:If people were being as aggressive about it as I was about Pere I would not be calling it dead.

Axle's being pretty fucking aggressive about it, is what I would say if I was reading Axle's posts.

Maybe now he'll notice you're just saying what's convenient for you and people are swallowing it.


Yeah LOL
(So inconvenient that your actually needing to reference the aggressive contents of my posts having claimed not to be reading them eh)

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Post Post #4036  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:41 pm

In post 4027, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4022, The Fonz wrote:Anyway. People oughta unvote. I'm intrigued as to what Thor can do if he's not holding back the tide of derp.

Probably the same as he did D1 and mislynch someone else he felt was a threat to him.

It's not going to be me.



Do you honestly think a conditional read based on a to-be-determined setup fact was a real threat to Thor? That seems ridiculous to me. Especially given your protestations about how hard it is to get anyone to vote Thor.

@Axle: Noted, will respond when I have time for a full post. A problem I have with that wagon is that have you as PE#2, though. Not sure enough you're scum that it isn't worth a go mind.

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Post Post #4037  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:47 pm

In post 4036, The Fonz wrote:A problem I have with that wagon is that have you as PE#2, though. Not sure enough you're scum that it isn't worth a go mind.

Axle == parsing error.
PE#2 is Process of Elimination 2 or what? or Piece of Excrement number 2 or ... ?

Also... try talking to me?

What you wanna know?

Probe me on the case see if i am genuine?

Huh?

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Post Post #4038  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:48 pm

In post 4006, davesaz wrote:<Dave thinks some in the shower>
CLICK!
:idea: :!: :!:

VOTE: goodmorning

Reason: Gamestate ephiphany

Thor, how certain are you that GM is the right player to wagon at this time? Just a sniff, rock solid, somewhere in between?

Could you go into some details about the game state analysis epiphany.
Scum typically need to fabricate reasons for scumreads...

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Post Post #4039  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:03 pm

In post 4036, The Fonz wrote:Do you honestly think a conditional read based on a to-be-determined setup fact was a real threat to Thor? That seems ridiculous to me. Especially given your protestations about how hard it is to get anyone to vote Thor.

Pere is fairly familiar with Thor, probably the most so of the players in this game. That means his existence was a potential threat. The longer he was left alive, the likelier he'd be to come up with a correct read, one that would be listened to. Thor happened to come up with a trumped-up semantic case on Pere and not only forced his lynch through but also did so in a way that would make Pere look a fool.
Is that necessarily the only possible way of things? No. Is it still interesting? Very.
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Post Post #4040  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:10 pm

In post 4033, davesaz wrote:Thor, as a result of my epiphany, I was really expecting a different kind of answer.
If you really have no confidence that GM is scum, then kindly pick someone who is actually scummy instead of useless.
Staying on a no confidence and no reason wagon leads me to believe your "power role" is non-town. That impression can still be fixed.

:neutral:

In post 4034, AxleGreaser wrote:@Thor
What if the GM wagon just wont go/fly.
Who would be your second best lynch? (Well get to why if there is any common ground.)

Dave - since he ducked backing up the AtE.

In post 4039, goodmorning wrote:Thor happened to come up with a trumped-up semantic case on Pere and not only forced his lynch through but also did so in a way that would make Pere look a fool.

:neutral:

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Post Post #4041  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:48 pm

In post 4033, davesaz wrote:Thor, as a result of my epiphany, I was really expecting a different kind of answer.
If you really have no confidence that GM is scum, then kindly pick someone who is actually scummy instead of useless.
Staying on a no confidence and no reason wagon leads me to believe your "power role" is non-town. That impression can still be fixed.


Are you saying your gm vote was a reaction test? Or was it genuine?
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Post Post #4042  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:58 pm

In post 4040, Thor665 wrote:Dave - since he ducked backing up the AtE.


Do you have reasons in the thread?
(Someone was scum reading him earlier i forget who?)

or we need to fly with my reasons?
My reasons would be thin as I spent some time this game town reading dave.

perhaps if i went back and reread his whole game with my recent understanding of his technical/mafia capabilities,

is valid as far as it goes. is a concise to the point summary.
(these set a benchmark for the (literary and mafia)skills Dave ought be able to use if he is trying)

yet

is padded at the end with pointless trivial pedantic questions ,that he then demands answers too and then does nothing with the obvious answers in
then he runs away into mind numbing propositional calculus for no functional purpose blah blah....
and then at the end of it...all tries to accuse me of the mess he made ((but distancing self) ). (seemingly deliberately)

That doesn't look good to me, but it would look whole lot worse if garmr flips scum.
How bad it would look if Garmr flips scum has me wondering where the game is at.
For that maatter how is dave so sure garmr is town. That seems like very black and white view of how scum will definitely play.

Are there so many linkages to a scum!garmr flip that scum is going all in? or ....
Hmmm.

Also those technical/mafia capabilities (above) seem in my mind quite at odds with he kind of player that gets confused by mere technicalities
Spoiler: such as
In post 3896, davesaz wrote:I'm claiming I don't know what he really meant to say because it does not parse correctly as English, or at least there is not a single unambiguous parse for it.

yes it true that computer program would get confused by it, but human with skill, actually trying should find it clear what garmr meant.
To get bogged down in the technical imperfections, smells of a ploy.
similarly this, does not feel like a genuine misunderstanding of Garmrs post.
In post 3896, davesaz wrote:Which case do you think Garmr is referring to here? Garmr's case on Boon? At this point in time, Garmr is not pursuing a case on Boon, and hasn't for about 1000 posts IIRC.

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Post Post #4043  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:02 pm

In post 4012, Josh_B wrote:I would still easily support a Thor lynch if fonz wagon doesn't pick up in the next couple of days.

Vote me now then you lackwit.
That Fonz wagon is assuredly going nowhere with you hemming and hawing like that.
Also, people should, theoretically, have forced my claim about two days ago.

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Post Post #4044  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:05 pm

Axle I'm not voting garmr because I want to wait for a better catch up and because a vote for Thor is a vote for lollipops and rainbows and if you don't like lollipops and rainbows you're a communist.

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Post Post #4045  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:53 pm

In post 4044, Flubbernugget wrote:Axle I'm not voting garmr because I want to wait for a better catch up and because a vote for Thor is a vote for lollipops and rainbows and if you don't like lollipops and rainbows you're a communist.


That must be why you insist on Stalin the game.

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Post Post #4046  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:56 pm

In post 4042, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4040, Thor665 wrote:Dave - since he ducked backing up the AtE.


Do you have reasons in the thread?
(Someone was scum reading him earlier i forget who?)

or we need to fly with my reasons?
My reasons would be thin as I spent some time this game town reading dave.

perhaps if i went back and reread his whole game with my recent understanding of his technical/mafia capabilities,

is valid as far as it goes. is a concise to the point summary.
(these set a benchmark for the (literary and mafia)skills Dave ought be able to use if he is trying)

yet

is padded at the end with pointless trivial pedantic questions ,that he then demands answers too and then does nothing with the obvious answers in
then he runs away into mind numbing propositional calculus for no functional purpose blah blah....
and then at the end of it...all tries to accuse me of the mess he made ((but distancing self) ). (seemingly deliberately)

That doesn't look good to me, but it would look whole lot worse if garmr flips scum.
How bad it would look if Garmr flips scum has me wondering where the game is at.
For that maatter how is dave so sure garmr is town. That seems like very black and white view of how scum will definitely play.

Are there so many linkages to a scum!garmr flip that scum is going all in? or ....
Hmmm.

Also those technical/mafia capabilities (above) seem in my mind quite at odds with he kind of player that gets confused by mere technicalities
Spoiler: such as
In post 3896, davesaz wrote:I'm claiming I don't know what he really meant to say because it does not parse correctly as English, or at least there is not a single unambiguous parse for it.

yes it true that computer program would get confused by it, but human with skill, actually trying should find it clear what garmr meant.
To get bogged down in the technical imperfections, smells of a ploy.
similarly this, does not feel like a genuine misunderstanding of Garmrs post.
In post 3896, davesaz wrote:Which case do you think Garmr is referring to here? Garmr's case on Boon? At this point in time, Garmr is not pursuing a case on Boon, and hasn't for about 1000 posts IIRC.


Yo, dimwit!

Ever think I might be reading YOU with all of this?
I was trying to figure out if I needed to go all-out on getting YOU lynched for making a case with such horrible logic.
The reason I don't give your case weight is the way you are making it and the way you are pursuing it.
So much confirmation bias, so much unwillingness to accept that someone might make a mistake and not be scummy.

The Garmr slot might be scum, but not for the reason you are pushing. I am not town reading that slot. I might even be scum reading that slot.
But I'm not going to vote for it based on your case.

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Post Post #4047  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:04 am

In post 4041, Izariael wrote:
In post 4033, davesaz wrote:Thor, as a result of my epiphany, I was really expecting a different kind of answer.
If you really have no confidence that GM is scum, then kindly pick someone who is actually scummy instead of useless.
Staying on a no confidence and no reason wagon leads me to believe your "power role" is non-town. That impression can still be fixed.


Are you saying your gm vote was a reaction test? Or was it genuine?


A claimed unspecified power role is pushing and voting a wagon, but admitting the only reason he's doing it is because the player is "useless".
Consider reasons someone looking at this might want to know if the read is genuine or not.
Prove to the PR I'm willing to vote my town read, but ask for some kind of confidence factor.
Consider not really wanting to vote for one's town read, solely on the word of a PR.
Is the PR confident that this is the right move? Apparently not.
Is the PR willing to preserve my town read and go for someone we both feel is a better lynch? Apparently not.

Mafia roles are also power roles. I guess our PR isn't town.

VOTE: Thor

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Post Post #4048  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:11 am

Votecount 2.12

[5]Thor665: goodmorning, Izariael, reinoe, Flubbernugget, davesaz
[3]Josh_B: Scripten, AxleGreaser, Slandaar
[2]Flubbernugget: Nero Cain, The Fonz
[1]Boonskiies: T S O
[1]davesaz: TierShift
[1]goodmorning: Thor665
[1]reinoe: Boonskiies
[1]Slandaar: Shiro
[1]The Fonz: Josh_B

[1] Not Voting: beastcharizard

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline: (expired on 2014-11-19 18:27:52)

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Post Post #4049  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:13 am

@Axl I would agree but I am still Slandar top scum read, How does that fit in the way you presented his thoughts ?

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