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Post Post #3170 (isolation #200) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:50 am

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In post 3165, Muffin wrote:
In post 3146, TierShift wrote:There's a thing I want to know, though. Yesterday, you were pretty much set for lynching pere and I believe you townread thor (didn't you?).

I think if you go back you'll find I got off the Pere wagon with time to spare, stating that I was no longer confident he would flip scum. With deadline looming and nobody else being a viable lynch candidate I guiltily voted Pere rather than no-lynch which IMO is just as good as a mislynch for scum.

Here is how my townread of Thor went during D1:

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Post Post #3176 (isolation #201) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:10 am

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@gm:
In post 2356, TierShift wrote:I like the pere and gm scumreads

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I feel that responding about townreading thor for not voting boon has little merit, so I'm not going to.
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Post Post #3177 (isolation #202) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:11 am

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In post 3175, reinoe wrote:I don't understand how this works. How could you determine SK/Mafia associations?

Only mafia who know it's not multiball could see boon's 2-shot bulletproof as a SK slip, as I've laid out.
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Post Post #3179 (isolation #203) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:39 am

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so...you're assuming boon truthfully claims his role as SK?
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Post Post #3181 (isolation #204) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:50 am

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right, if I thought boon
would
flip SK, I'd push you. However, I'm not pushing you at all. I think you're slightly town, haven't paid too much attention to you. But should boon somehow flip SK, I'm going to have a thorough look at you.

Why do you think his urge to survive is so strong? He's already softclaiming day 1, that doesn't seem like someone who wants to live long.
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Post Post #3189 (isolation #205) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:58 am

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In post 3183, reinoe wrote:
In post 3179, TierShift wrote:so...you're assuming boon truthfully claims his role as SK?


If he's already pm'ed the mod and know he's immune to cops sure why not? He's immune to gunsmiths. His BP claim will look legit to rolecops. A SK can last a long time in a large by just being UTR and by claiming BP he can avoid scum kills. My concern is that he claims BP in order to draw a NK. That makes 0 sense even from a VI p.o.v. It's all WIFOM but I want Boon to explain it with an excuse besides "oh yeah I'm a VI lolz". Town BP have every incentive to deliberately draw kills. That's literally a town BP's job. Attempt to draw a NK. Now I'm not sure how someone actually does that but "herp a derp I'm VI lolz" is not one of them.

hm...I gotta think about this.

On the one hand, it does not make sense from a town BP indeed. On the other hand, if you're doing this as a SK/scum you have a death wish.

And I believe his town play is far worse than his scum play. So he's probably town.

But. I do see garmr's thought process, to be fair. It's just weird that he went for SK specifically instead of just scum, as if he has extra knowledge.
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Post Post #3214 (isolation #206) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:21 pm

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mostly the 'I'm mixing you up with someone but I'm not telling who' is shit.

But yeah, grand summary.
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Post Post #3216 (isolation #207) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:29 pm

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In post 3209, T S O wrote:muffin you're really not winning this argument whatsoever.

are you even reading
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Post Post #3224 (isolation #208) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:23 pm

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In post 3218, Thor665 wrote:BOTH of you are totally happy with the way Muffin questioned this and how he skewed and turned wacky my statements?

The quotes provided are pretty objective.

I don't think much is wrong with his questioning and even if I did, the ends justify the means.
In post 3218, Thor665 wrote:@Tier - as to your original point. Let's say you're right. Let's say me not doing that is "messed up" in some manner.
How is it messed up in any way that matters?
Because, it's certainly not a scum plan.
So...what's the issue? The issue is that I'm not going back to find the name of a lurker I mistook as being Shiro? I mean, do you think that was an intentional misrep on my part? If so...weirdest scum plan ever. If not...then, as scum *or* town I could have made that mistake. So...yeah, what's your boggle?

The boggle is that you're avoiding to show who you were talking about, with it being asked multiple times and there not being a reason to withhold the information from us.

And now getting all defensive and asserting I said that messing two players up was a scum plan, which I never did.

Ehy is there such a big stick up your butthole?
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Post Post #3276 (isolation #209) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:01 am

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In post 3267, Garmr wrote:I'm giving these tips so people reading will at least be interested and I really don't mind being a wagon.

Why the heck is this disclaimer in your post? It looks forced as shit.
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Post Post #3277 (isolation #210) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:18 am

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Look, thor.
You made the statement about there being many more anen mentions than pere mentions. Muffin tried to show there weren't. You just said he was doing it wrong and you said he was twisting your words. You also suggested there were more anen posts than muffin showed due to pronouns.

Instead, you could just show that there were more anen mentions than pere mentions.

But now I did a shiro ISO and found that there is about 1 post more on anen (than on pere), in which she calls him scum. In the following post already, she says she was probably wrong. Your previous suggestion that there were more posts because of pronouns is simply wrong.

I don't understand why you're just telling other people that they're wrong when they're trying to understand your arguments, instead of explaining/correcting them? And when your basis is wrong, why do you keep insisting other people are to blame?
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Post Post #3282 (isolation #211) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:06 am

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I've never played with thor before. But you're saying his town MO is discrediting people who are right?
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Post Post #3295 (isolation #212) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:00 am

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Slandaar's focus on proving thor's factual basis right is so wrong
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Post Post #3303 (isolation #213) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:17 am

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In post 3298, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 3282, TierShift wrote:I've never played with thor before. But you're saying his town MO is discrediting people who are right?


I also dont like discredit being in this, when it was not said. (as far as i saw)

I am funny like that.

I do not understand what you're saying here, but if you're suggesting thor is not discrediting, I can show you examples of where he is. If you're not saying that, what are you saying?
In post 3299, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 3295, TierShift wrote:Slandaar's focus on proving thor's factual basis right is so wrong


so was you arguing about it here?

In post 3277, TierShift wrote:Look, thor.
You made the statement about there being many more anen mentions than pere mentions. Muffin tried to show there weren't. You just said he was doing it wrong and you said he was twisting your words. You also suggested there were more anen posts than muffin showed due to pronouns.

Instead, you could just show that there were more anen mentions than pere mentions.


But now I did a shiro ISO and found that there is about 1 post more on anen (than on pere), in which she calls him scum. In the following post already, she says she was probably wrong. Your previous suggestion that there were more posts because of pronouns is simply wrong.

I don't understand why you're just telling other people that they're wrong when they're trying to understand your arguments, instead of explaining/correcting them? And when your basis is wrong, why do you keep insisting other people are to blame?

Yes, I do not understand why THOR is reluctant to share the factual basis of his argument. THOR should share that. I'm attacking him for not doing that.

SLANDAAR sharing the factual basis does not alter the fact that THOR isn't sharing it. Get it?
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Post Post #3307 (isolation #214) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:49 am

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I still have no idea what you meant with the discrediting comment axle
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Post Post #3332 (isolation #215) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:30 pm

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It said forcereplace :(
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Post Post #3334 (isolation #216) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:40 pm

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Bah, I do not agree. But well, this isn't the place.
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Post Post #3342 (isolation #217) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:14 am

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I'll take muffin's spot in the thor push.
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Post Post #3355 (isolation #218) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:19 am

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getrekt slandaar thor scumteam
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Post Post #3413 (isolation #219) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:21 pm

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I have not ever seen someone explain my thought process so clearly as iza's done here.

Really, it is thor's evasive behaviour more than anything else. First there's a non-backed up statement (anen v pere mentions), then muffin goes into the data to prove him wrong, thor says he's doing it wrongly and muffin tries yet AGAIN. Again thor tells him he's wrong, just telling him 'he has the data to back it up'. All while discrediting muffin. Bullshit.
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Post Post #3414 (isolation #220) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:23 pm

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And the hissy fit thor is throwing against anyone who votes him (muffin, now iza) is horrible.
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Post Post #3436 (isolation #221) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:46 am

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Garmr is trying so hard to be my new favourite scumread.
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Post Post #3439 (isolation #222) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:51 am

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In post 3437, Garmr wrote:
In post 3436, TierShift wrote:Garmr is trying so hard to be my new favourite scumread.

I got atleast 1 or 2 scumz on my wagon might as well have them all jump on my wagon.

All right, let's converse. Why am I scum?

Why do you go from 'nullread but dislike his day 2 play' to 'scumread' without thor doing much inbetween?
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Post Post #3443 (isolation #223) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:03 am

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In post 3441, Garmr wrote:
In post 3439, TierShift wrote:
In post 3437, Garmr wrote:
In post 3436, TierShift wrote:Garmr is trying so hard to be my new favourite scumread.

I got atleast 1 or 2 scumz on my wagon might as well have them all jump on my wagon.

All right, let's converse. Why am I scum?

Why do you go from 'nullread but dislike his day 2 play' to 'scumread' without thor doing much inbetween?

Was talking about scriptian and axle. If you haven't noticed I also have had a scum read on scriptian but i haven't been pushing them. Tbh I started reading his post I kinda been focusing on boon and axle and my town reads flubber and gm.

Right, then why did you quote my post when you talked about scum hopping on? What is your read on me?

And the second question remains unanswered as well.
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Post Post #3451 (isolation #224) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:26 am

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In post 3445, Garmr wrote:I'm fine if everyone one shifts their votes on me if they promise to lynch axle after I flip town.

In post 3447, Garmr wrote:i'm town but I really don't want to play this game and I can't be bothered hunting. SO going to let you guys if you want to mislynch me or for me to replace out.

Cut the AtE crap right now. Replace out if you want to replace out but don't discuss it or threaten us with it. Just gtfo if you want to.

Answer this question now, please:
Why do you go from 'nullread but dislike his day 2 play' to 'scumread' without thor doing much inbetween?
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Post Post #3454 (isolation #225) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:33 am

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okay garmr replaced out we can go back to thor now.
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Post Post #3455 (isolation #226) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:34 am

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@mod: VC?
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Post Post #3457 (isolation #227) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:37 am

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well, his thought process does make serious sense for town that is replacing out.
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Post Post #3460 (isolation #228) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:48 am

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the part where he says where axle should be lynched when he flips town instead of his biggest scumreads makes sense for someone fed up with the game.

I'm not saying he is definitely town, not at all. It's just that his replace-out is okay. I'm still unsure about his thor vote.

And he seems like one of those people who enjoys drawing scum and love to manipulate up to the final moment, which is not replacing out.
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Post Post #3461 (isolation #229) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:02 am

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Saying he is caught scum is quite an overstatement, anyway.

Let's just go for thor.
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Post Post #3462 (isolation #230) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:05 am

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In post 3416, Slandaar wrote:
In post 3391, AxleGreaser wrote:Garmr: has before this point in the game claimed I am 85% likely to flip scum (2788)
swapped his vote onto and even stronger scum read 2941
So according to Garmr, he has found two scum and is > 85% confident both will flip scum (claims Boon > Axle == 85% scum)

The number is arbitrary it is just there to be representative of him being quite confident in each being scum.

Regarding calling your case bad instead of fabricated etc it literally means nothing. I really don't see anything in that at all; I have said my scumread's arguments/cases are bad in the past well I probably use the word terrible mostly but it's the same thing.

The wagon thing is actually really good.

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I didn't really 'get' what you were saying prior. Kinda read it and went ugh nothing wrong with saying that and moved on. Maybe the focus on it made me pay the extra attention... Bite sized chunks work wonders.

You have my axe good sir.

VOTE: Garmr

I will respond to all this GM stuff later...

You seem to have dropped your thor 'guardian angel' act. Why is that?
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Post Post #3463 (isolation #231) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:08 am

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In post 3369, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3146, TierShift wrote:
In post 3116, Nero Cain wrote:but Muffin is prob scum too. Like that whole asking Muffin for his opinion on me 'cause he wanted to understand why we had different opinions on Boons looked really forced and manufactured.

+

neither of them are following up at all.

What are you talking about here? Can you give me post numbers?

Well, in 2990 Flubber asks for opinions on me. At first I thought this a general call out and just asking everyone for their option of but according to him he was just asking Muffin but its not like that really makes it any better 'cause why would you give a shit about others opinions unless you think a slot is scum or you are doubting your read? But no, he continued to call me town so I really really don't understand why he wants an opinion on me. This aslso came across as slightly OMGUSy 'cause here I am starting to doubt Flubber as town and his next post is asking for opinions on me wich again, I don't understand why he'd want opinions on his town read.

Then in 2998 he claims that his reason for asking an opinion on me is 'cause he was interested in why Muffin and I had different reads on Boons. Well ok....but what does that have to do with anything? Does he secretly think that I'm scummy for not wanting a Boons lynch today? Maybe I missed it but why didn't he ask why Muffin was voting Boons, if Muffin had not already claimed why.

So to me it looked like a throwaway argument meant to look like he was doing something but wasn't actually doing anything. So yeah, I thought this was some forced scumbuddy interaction.

Can you explain to me what you think flubber was trying to accomplish here?

Why is it so weird to want opinions on a scumread?

Anyway your associative act falls apart now that muffin flipped town.
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Post Post #3466 (isolation #232) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:34 am

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In post 3464, Scripten wrote:Tiershift, why so singleminded for the Thor wagon? I mean, I was starting to like it, but Garmr's recent actions must have been enough to get you onto his wagon. Do you really find his replacing out to be -that- alignment-indicative. I'm all for waiting for his replacement to see if miracles occur, but this makes that Thor wagon look mighty wrong to me.

A thor vote with a nullread and then asking to kill someone he's not voting looks more plausible from someone fed up with the game than from scum.

Note that they're not mutually exclusive, he can be fed up scum.

But it looks a tad more like fed up town.
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Post Post #3467 (isolation #233) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:34 am

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Nvm slander
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Post Post #3479 (isolation #234) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:31 am

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In post 3475, Thor665 wrote:
In post 3460, TierShift wrote:And he seems like one of those people who enjoys drawing scum and love to manipulate up to the final moment, which is not replacing out.

Why do you have this belief?

Because he said so (likes to draw scum) and I believe others have confirmed this.
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Post Post #3504 (isolation #235) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:09 am

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In post 3482, Thor665 wrote:Going by the provided quote - why do you think he'd replace out as either alignment? One he has 'mastered' and the other he is working 'to master'.
Giving up is literally the opposite of both of those.

Right, that's true. I think he could get fed up as either alignment.

Why are you asking this?
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Post Post #3611 (isolation #236) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:21 am

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Thor, .
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Post Post #3614 (isolation #237) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:58 am

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Right.

VOTE: slandaar

Yadda yadda yadda I think thor's not scum.
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Post Post #3615 (isolation #238) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:59 am

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I base that of 3507 and his latest post.
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Post Post #3616 (isolation #239) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:08 am

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Thor I'm totally not interested in either iza or shiro. What do you think of slanderman?
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Post Post #3621 (isolation #240) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:58 am

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In post 3617, Thor665 wrote:Why do you think Iz is a poor lynch choice? If you think I'm town then it's basically assured at least one scum is on my wagon at this stage, and probably more than that. So?

Yeah, there's scum on the wagon, even if you are scum, lol. I townread everyone on the wagon, so I should re-evaluate.

What I liked about iza is that he was showing in a post my EXACT thought process wrt you.

What I remember from slandaar is that his play looked a bit safe at times. I'll read his ISO to see whether I agree with your interpretation that his reads are unique and that he has fought with the bigger names.

What you see as unique reads, I see as a deliberate lack of focus on the major events. Which is scummy as fuck. But I'll reread, as said.

I want to stress that his defence of you was completely out of proportion and had a very awkward focus.
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Post Post #3622 (isolation #241) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:10 pm

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@TSO: yadda yadda yadda

In I thought Thor was trying to shift suspicion onto garmr without explicitly stating it. That's why I asked why he asked. Then, in thor says where it's actually at: just as he is, I'm townreading garmr for the replace-out. However, I wasn't very open about it, basically because everyone was yelling at me it wasn't true. (wait I'm totally noting that I think there is scum in one of those nay-sayers).

3507 made no sense at all for a scum player. Not only was he stating a townread on the (only) counterwagon (which can be done for towncred), he was also actively trying to get other people (me) to townread garmr.

Then in 3613 I see him stating something that looks like final reads, without trying to take credit for doing so. Instead, he is encouraging people to join his wagon, if only to do something with their vote, to show where their intentions lie. Not trying to push counterwagons but trying t get other people to do somethong so he can read them.

Tl;dr: he's close to getting lynched and gives no shit about that, but DOES give a shit about why he's getting lynched. Scumhunting still in the face of getting the noose.
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Post Post #3623 (isolation #242) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:21 pm

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So I just read the part where garmr replaces out and I don't think anyone's reacrion to that is scummy, maybe shiro's. Shiro, why do you think garmr is scummy for his replace-out?

I also noticed missing this post:
In post 3464, Scripten wrote:Tiershift, why so singleminded for the Thor wagon? I mean, I was starting to like it, but Garmr's recent actions must have been enough to get you onto his wagon. Do you really find his replacing out to be -that- alignment-indicative. I'm all for waiting for his replacement to see if miracles occur, but this makes that Thor wagon look mighty wrong to me.

What do
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think of his replace-out? I think it's telling enough to push him to somewhat above null.

I try to have a single focus in a game this big: where my vote resides. When there is such a big amount of data to process for everyone, I'd like them to know where I am going and why they have to vote with me. I also don't have the capability to focus on too many things at once here.

What do you think of the garmr wagon? You've been on there for quite a time, without doing shit. Why aren't you doing more to get your scumread lynched?

Also, why does my singlemindedness mean the thor wagon is mighty wrong?

I'd like you to answer all of these, I'm getfing badfeels from you.
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Post Post #3628 (isolation #243) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:46 pm

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In post 3624, Shiro wrote:He claimed he had found 3 scums almost certain (Which is solid reason not to be fed up and bored)
He was in good enough mood to reread game and conclude thor is scum which implies he was scumhunting(I mean he found 3 scum,4if we add scripten)
He got cornered
He was contradicting himself
Suddenly bored and in no mood to scumhunt
AtE BS
Replaces out

Break down to me how that progression is town

Your argument falls apart because he wasn't even close to being lynched. No scum is ever gonna freak out and actually replace out over a few votes.

Sudden shifts in interest in a game happen, I've experienced them often enough.

You're suggesting that all of those things are related to each other. I don't think so. The decision to replace out came right before he announced it, I could see that. I don't think it's related to him being voted a few times.

I've already explained how his replacing out makes sense from a town pov so I'm not doing that again.
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Post Post #3629 (isolation #244) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:47 pm

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In post 3627, Scripten wrote:Not your singlemindedness, but the interaction between the Thor wagon and the Garmr wagon.

Right, so what about it is wrong?

I dn't remember you pushing garmr much before his breakdown either.
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Post Post #3634 (isolation #245) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:16 pm

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Ok who was it that said shiro was obvious newbtown?
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Post Post #3638 (isolation #246) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:30 pm

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In post 3635, Izariael wrote:
In post 3634, TierShift wrote:Ok who was it that said shiro was obvious newbtown?


That would be , for whatever it's worth.

Darn I was wanting to tell that person how I disagreed. Oh well.

Scripten, who is scum if not garmr?
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Post Post #3689 (isolation #247) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:32 pm

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In post 3644, goodmorning wrote:@Tier: stop making me flipflop on you

your treatment of shiro looks sort of town but your thor shifts are random as anything

Why do my shifts on thor make me scummy?
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Post Post #3690 (isolation #248) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:36 pm

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Well iza dave is just repeating your argument so that should not really get him townpoints.
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Post Post #3692 (isolation #249) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:47 pm

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Could you give a look at the reasons I posted for townreading thor, mostly ?

Here's a question for you: with no regard to the correctness of your argument, how strong do you think your argument for lynching thor is?

In other words, exactly how alignment-indicative is refusal to back up your statement (while the raw data to do so is present!) and instead discredit?
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Post Post #3694 (isolation #250) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:00 pm

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In post 3686, davesaz wrote:Not just creating miscommunication, but actively fostering it and refusing to fix the problem.
You did that with PereV, where the two of you were clearly using different definitions, and given a chance to find common ground holding steadfast to your point. (Which he did too, but you're still here...)

Just what do you think of this, iza?
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Post Post #3696 (isolation #251) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:10 pm

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Blegh that part is so awful in truth

That link to Pere is bad, because this is a cmpletely different situation.
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Post Post #3697 (isolation #252) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:12 pm

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Thor, scum on your wagon is probably dave.

Flubber, you've been pushing for dave all this time, haven't you? Can you maybe give me a rundown on why you think he's scum?
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Post Post #3699 (isolation #253) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:17 pm

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Right, but Thor's now just being awkward for no reason at all, while yesterday he needed to be so to get pere lynched.

The situations really don't match up. I know scum that bullheadedly push something to get a lynch through and I know scum that are awkward in general, but they do not overlap. You can't really be scum for both.
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Post Post #3706 (isolation #254) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:19 am

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no one actually reads walls, yaknow.
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Post Post #3707 (isolation #255) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:26 am

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iza is town. he is. thor, look elsewhere.
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Post Post #3726 (isolation #256) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:13 am

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Shiro is accusatory

I hope that's a word.
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Post Post #3769 (isolation #257) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:50 am

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flub, it is time.

VOTE: dave

I'll read more throughly tomorrow.
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Post Post #3777 (isolation #258) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:38 pm

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In post 3774, reinoe wrote:
In post 3769, TierShift wrote:flub, it is time.

VOTE: dave

I'll read more throughly tomorrow.

Why leans-town Dave instead of obvscum Thor?

because thor is not really scum.

regardless of his alignment, there's at least 1 sucm on his wagon now. Who is it, according to you?
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Post Post #3859 (isolation #259) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:21 am

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In post 3843, Thor665 wrote:@Tiershift - Dave wagon is dead unless he fails to produce some meta on his liar wail - how about voting GM for a time with me. Or at least moving to help a wagon doing *anything at all*.

Sry, bit disconnected atm.

V/la from tomorrow till sunday
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Post Post #4161 (isolation #260) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:18 am

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Can someone give a recap on the last ~300 posts because I'm not likely readong them soon.
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Post Post #4173 (isolation #261) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:51 am

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Can I get some cred tomorrow for calling thor town pls

Or can we just lynch someone else today thx
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Post Post #4178 (isolation #262) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:09 am

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Lol

Not actually laughing obv
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Post Post #4187 (isolation #263) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:15 am

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I have to say this beats fake dayvig by a tiny margin.
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Post Post #4266 (isolation #264) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:26 am

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So josh is making more sense than he usually is.
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Post Post #4271 (isolation #265) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:29 am

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In post 4190, reinoe wrote:
In post 3837, reinoe wrote:
In post 3777, TierShift wrote:
In post 3774, reinoe wrote:
In post 3769, TierShift wrote:flub, it is time.

VOTE: dave

I'll read more throughly tomorrow.

Why leans-town Dave instead of obvscum Thor?

because thor is not really scum.

regardless of his alignment,
there's at least 1 sucm on his wagon now.
Who is it, according to you?

1) Why is thor not really scum?
2) Why is Dave somehow scummier than thor?
3) How do you know the stuff in red? Thor's wagon looks towny therefore I can't be sure who's the scum on it.

@Also tiershift
:up: :up: :up: :up:

1. He's not scared of being lynched, pushes his beliefs till the last mmemt, doesn't compromise on garmr/josh when presented with the opportunity.
2. Thor is town; therefore anyone who I don't townread is scummier. Also his vote stinked and he parroted.
3.8 (?) man wagon? Definite scum on there, especially when the wagonee is town. When he's scum, scum go for towncred. Basic stuff. Never fails.
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Post Post #4273 (isolation #266) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:31 am

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Here gonna come the great townlist:
Thor
Fonz
Reinoe
Axle
Tso
(Flub)
(Iza)
Between brackets are shaky.
All the other players are game!
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Post Post #4279 (isolation #267) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:37 am

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Let's add josh to the shaky category.

I would be most happy with a beastcharizard lynch right now. He is actively not trying to contribute.
VOTE: beast

I so hope gm somehow confirms thor's claim s we can flashwagon this
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Post Post #4280 (isolation #268) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:38 am

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Boon, my fonz read comes from the tobyloby era and his first posts. Haven't been paying attention to him much, but I do kbow I like his open-mindedness.
Quite a strong read.
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Post Post #4282 (isolation #269) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:39 am

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Also nero is very high on my scum list but I have never taken the effort to ISO him. Everything he says feels wrong though.
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Post Post #4285 (isolation #270) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:40 am

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In post 4281, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4269, Boonskiies wrote:My favored alignment is scum. I have barely put any effort into this game.

Earlier in the day you seemed involved but that wasn't the point I was making. When you were town being wagoned you showed a lot less emotion or care while here... completely different.

This is single game meta or smething with low sample size. Go sit in the faulty meta use corner.
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Post Post #4299 (isolation #271) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:53 am

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In post 4287, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4279, TierShift wrote:I so hope gm somehow confirms thor's claim

:facepalm:

GM won't be able to confirm this. In what game, on this site, have you seen a player been told who targeted them?

Some roles get a result, yaknow

In post 4282, TierShift wrote:Also nero is very high on my scum list but I have never taken the effort to ISO him. Everything he says feels wrong though.

OMGUS much.

HAVE YOU VOTED ME YOU COCKROACH?
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Post Post #4300 (isolation #272) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:53 am

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No boon, not fonzie.
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Post Post #4301 (isolation #273) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:55 am

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Great I just read 30 of nero's posts and I want him to die already.
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Post Post #4313 (isolation #274) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:03 pm

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Fonz what is your nero read?
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Post Post #4431 (isolation #275) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:19 pm

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In post 4325, The Fonz wrote:
In post 4313, TierShift wrote:Fonz what is your nero read?


Weak town read. See the above. I suspected him early D1, but he does get more purposeful, even if I didn't like the direction he took. I see no glaring contradictions or anything.

Because he's purposeful, he's town? And he doesn't contradict, so he's town?

That's not really trying to look at his alignment, is it?
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Post Post #4476 (isolation #276) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:44 am

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In post 4473, Flubbernugget wrote:why is bear

You are sliiiiipppiiiiing

My scumreads stink. I'm not even remotely certain in any of them. However, I feel like I can improve my town list by watching reactions to wagons, but silent players don't help in that.

Also revenge
Revenge

And I need to do nero iso reminding myself.
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Post Post #4526 (isolation #277) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:11 am

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VOTE: nero

Good wagon.
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Post Post #4561 (isolation #278) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:01 pm

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For flub and gm
In post 3622, TierShift wrote:@TSO: yadda yadda yadda

In I thought Thor was trying to shift suspicion onto garmr without explicitly stating it. That's why I asked why he asked. Then, in thor says where it's actually at: just as he is, I'm townreading garmr for the replace-out. However, I wasn't very open about it, basically because everyone was yelling at me it wasn't true. (wait I'm totally noting that I think there is scum in one of those nay-sayers).

3507 made no sense at all for a scum player. Not only was he stating a townread on the (only) counterwagon (which can be done for towncred), he was also actively trying to get other people (me) to townread garmr.

Then in 3613 I see him stating something that looks like final reads, without trying to take credit for doing so. Instead, he is encouraging people to join his wagon, if only to do something with their vote, to show where their intentions lie. Not trying to push counterwagons but trying t get other people to do somethong so he can read them.

Tl;dr: he's close to getting lynched and gives no shit about that, but DOES give a shit about why he's getting lynched. Scumhunting still in the face of getting the noose.
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Post Post #4562 (isolation #279) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:01 pm

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In post 4543, Nero Cain wrote:Whats so good about it?

What's not good about it?
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Post Post #4564 (isolation #280) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:03 pm

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In post 4556, Nero Cain wrote:You should help me lynch Axle or Tier.

Lol

What are your arguments for either?
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Post Post #4607 (isolation #281) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:33 pm

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22 hours to DL.
Hurry up, slandaar, iza and beast. Put those votes to use.
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Post Post #4609 (isolation #282) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:35 pm

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Dave, you're the leading wagon with <1 day to DL. If you've got a big claim, better claim it now.
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Post Post #4627 (isolation #283) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:34 pm

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Why is everyone always so uptight about claiming before L-1 when close to DL?

Anyway, fucking HURRY UP, JESUS.
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Post Post #4635 (isolation #284) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:01 am

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Gogogo nero nero nero votes!

10 hours? Maybe 8?
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Post Post #4639 (isolation #285) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:06 am

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y not nero?
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Post Post #4686 (isolation #286) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:25 am

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In post 4650, AxleGreaser wrote:
@Tier and ONLY at tier.


I am flying blind from memory here and sorry if I am wrong. (If so i got you mixed up with some other stellar player... ok?)
I believe:
You have town read on Thor, and its because of him, hunting scum even when under the pump(L-small), he was going down hunting scum...? yeah

Whats this
In post 4646, Nero Cain wrote:I know or think I know what he's saying but is still fucking stupid.


chopped liver?

unvote nero, while you think.

I don't get this
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Post Post #4692 (isolation #287) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:21 am

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In post 4689, AxleGreaser wrote:and tell me your read on Nero during the exchange.

what exchange?
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Post Post #4697 (isolation #288) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:52 am

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hmm. Nero seems genuinely frustrated but I think that's not alignment-indicative.

I don't see much more in his posts. He's trying to direct town after he dies, which is a mild towntell, but he's not overly doing that.
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Post Post #4698 (isolation #289) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:53 am

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In post 4502, goodmorning wrote:Fonz/Nero/Thor y/y?

prob not fonz

Whát other quesitons?
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Post Post #4701 (isolation #290) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:03 am

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I still have no clue what 4646 means, axle.
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Post Post #4713 (isolation #291) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:52 am

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Gm I'll answer your questions later, maybe.

I still have no clue how nero was trying to stop the fight between you and reinoe.
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Post Post #4716 (isolation #292) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:05 am

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What's the VC at?
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Post Post #4723 (isolation #293) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:21 am

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Scum is trying with all their might to No lynch.
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Post Post #4730 (isolation #294) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:36 am

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VOTE: dave

just to be sure.
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