NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

[Shiro]

Hello all ^_^

Just replaced in and whatnot buuut I am at work with phone soo it will be a tad bit longer till I can make a proper post.

I need a few hours around 4 give or take and then I will post properly.

Also first ever large game soo I dunno how I will do.

unvote[/]
Cause I have no idea what my predessecor(so mispelled this word) has done

[Shiro]

gosh I am still on page 22 sorry people this will take longer than expected :/

and this keep going it was page 88 when I started DX

[Shiro]

Oh it wasnt ???Sorry my bad

UNVOTE:ANEN

Also page 70 finally almost done

[Shiro]

Shiro, I hope we are getting some of your reads before deadline hits. Especially on the leading wagons.

Yea I am on page 92 so almost done but I wont make anything productive till tommrow. It is late here and I have been reading this thread from early morning. My mind cannot do much at this time. It needs rest

A quick thing though.

Both Pere and Thor lynch seems bad to me.

Thors lynch I just cannot see it. Par a small part where he wasn't all that active I cannot see as scum at all like. Why does that wagon exist ?He was the only one trying to get town to do anythimg early on and kept it up. There has been some back and forth but still. Is that me being too newbie to see something here :/

Pere is honestly the same but less regard. He is only off when talking with Thor but most people that argued with thor ended up seeming off after it is that a thing ? I did notice he has a knack for winning argument. The fact that most people on pere wagoon have little reason of their own and just follow thor is off by itself . Especially earlier. Liek using Thor abbility to push well to further a lynch. He pretyt much hold his own when talking to others about the case.

I guess best wagon is Anen. His posts seem off and coming right out of a game that he was town(even if I was maf) his post don't have the same town vibe they had there. I don't really know how to explain this tbh. Has GM noted anything similar to that ? If I recall Tier has and he was in the same game I speak of.

[Shiro]

If you quote somethign and discuss it. You will either realise you are right and convince others or wrong.

I would link to the game itself but he said himself his isn't playing in the same way. I guess understable since that was a newbie game and this is a 21 people thingy

Just going to point out that it's really easy to ask for activity from people.

You can't disagree thought that he has acted pretty town. You said his tone is off but I don't really know how his tone is supposed to be.

It is funny cause about halfway the game I felt really comfortable sheeping his decision it after a bit when he that my view on pere changed a bit xD

Btw since we have 3 neighboorhoods is it the chance of scum in each really high or speculation ?

[Shiro]

Hmmm first of the pigeon jokes felt off I had hard time believing that the person that made a complicated impssible to see crypto message acted that way.

He had many posts that made little sense but screamed screamed town. I don't really see that here either

His approach to being top counterwagon want as defensive.

I get the feeling he is more laid back here but that might be cause of his TSO interaction which would have made most people go fuck it.

Tier has a point though half a newbie game isn't sufficient meta to cross check.

That is on top of my head. Will read his and Pere ISOs when I get home to try and make a better conclusion .

[Shiro]

Thor can I ask you something ? I think I understand your reason behind Pere wagoon but why wouldnt scum pere back off when he had the chance ? I mean he had a few chances biggest being the one where it was pointed that there was a misundersating with what multball meant. Why wouldn't he step away and spare himself all this trouble ? He was clearly losing the argument anyway.

[Shiro]

Ok after reading Anen ISO a few times I don't see him as scummy as I initialy though maybe TSO constant "He is scum" rubbed on me as I was reading through everything in one go.

Axl

1. Well when pressured and your response is pooping it did make me raise an eyebrow but then again he was pressured with pretty much nothing. Soo..

2. Well for one when in L-1 he stopped caring about not getting lynched and tried to show what should be looked at if he is lynched.

3. No which is why I said it is probably because of TSO action.

4. Yes actually. I mean why respond defensivly to empty stuff ?

5. Well as I mentioned a bit above after re reading it like 2 times I am left with a better impression. *Sigh*

Also not sure if that what you asked but:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=58764
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=58767


Eh I dunno I am not going ot vote for Thor wagoon cause it makes absolutly no sense, and now after the re reads I feel relucant to vote for Anen. He does seem like a nicely placed mislynch. God damn it...Dx

@Dave if that makes any diifference back in the game she was IC with me everyone did say that her day 1 play is evassive and vague as town. Litteraly everyone that knew her said so. It drove a person mad xD

[Shiro]

@Axl I meant anen not you xD

It was posts:

1969 and 424 also one to you that I forgot number

But in any case I do feel much less inclinted to vote anen now anyway.

@Tier Isn't GM always evassive and vague during day 1 ?

[Shiro]

VOTE:PERE

I thought Anen was best but eh now I dont want it and Thor is still a really horrible wagon imo so yea

[Shiro]

Vote: Shiro

<3 ya too

Any questions associated with that vote :3

[Shiro]

I can attest that Boon is over the top. It is kinda terrible but Anen did say he was planning something that he couldnt say in the thread and his death took it with him.

It can be unrelated though and the plan was rushed that I didnt quite realise what it was all about to begin with.

All in all I left the night thread townreading everyone in it. I dunno I think I am way too noob for those big game.

I guess you could connect Anen death to Iz but it is a thin line that had more cons that pros

[Shiro]

Got to love myself some naked votes on me

[Shiro]

@Boon

I can attest that Boon is over the top. It is kinda terrible but Anen did say he was planning something that he couldnt say in the thread and his death took it with him.

It can be unrelated though and the plan was rushed that I didnt quite realise what it was all about to begin with.

All in all I left the night thread townreading everyone in it. I dunno I think I am way too noob for those big game.

I guess you could connect Anen death to Iz but it is a thin line that had more cons that pros

^

[Shiro]

Yea but like what happens when Shiro flips town?

[Shiro]

Everyone gets mad at me and I die horribly probably but meh I am confident.

[Shiro]

But what happens when Iz flips scum, Shiro?

I never said it not possible. I mean I can see him panicking over anen having a plan he was not saying in the hood thus leading to anen demise but with us knowing about it, it kinda make him seem even worse than fighting off whatever Anen had planned.

[Shiro]

@Shiro can you comment on the current accusation Boons has on Iz?

I can attest that Boon is over the top. It is kinda terrible but Anen did say he was planning something that he couldnt say in the thread and his death took it with him.

It can be unrelated though and the plan was rushed that I didnt quite realise what it was all about to begin with.

All in all I left the night thread townreading everyone in it. I dunno I think I am way too noob for those big game.

I guess you could connect Anen death to Iz but it is a thin line that had more cons that pros

[Shiro]

What boon is saying is not impossible. It makes sense but it is far fetched so to speak

[Shiro]

I didn't even realize Shiro is WBO yesterday when I voted. Too perfect. I hated WBO's entrance what there was of one; it read completely fake.

Join the revolution and lynch scum today - vote Shiro.

^Sheep this guy. He knows his scum when he sees it.

[Shiro]

Shiro what do you think about IZ's 'slip'?

Well it did seem terrible at the time but Boon does blow it out of proportion.

It could be a slip that he knows every hood has scum thus being scum but I cannot really make logic of the kills if that is the case.

If it was a slip that mean each hood has scum. Thor is last in his hood. If it is indeed a slip killing egg was the worst move scum could make.

Same for anen since that is what brought all the attention cause of the plan thus incriminating the two man hood badly. (presuming oher mafia team,sk or vig killed egg)

It just doesnt make sense with the people that died n1.

Then again it might have been a slip and they werent fast enought to change kills since all that happened few hour before night deadline.

[Shiro]

@Boon

If you think the slip is legit and Iz is scum how can you town read thor ? In theory if the slip is legit thor being the lone survivor has to be scum in your mind since Iz slip implies 1 scum in its hood.

[Shiro]

Shiro's awfully fencesitty.

Shiro was ill :/

@Slander where is the third point ?I was ill with my tv tuned but I think I missed it :/

@Boon So you town read Thor but you are curious about the slot and think u will gain information even though u admit u didn't read day 1 to know what is up with it ...

[Shiro]

Shiro's awfully fencesitty.

Shiro was ill :/

Shiro has been fencesitty all along.

Ok I admit but it isn't a fence it is a corner and I find it cozy

@Slander the day ends for me in half an hour where is point 3 D:

@thor Hey since axl bored you and you didn't answer him mind answering to Shiro why the placement on the Pere wagon was scummy ?

[Shiro]

@Slander No problem xD

My point was that Scum Iz would be in a horrible place with both kills. Anen cause it attacts attention to him(like it did) Egg cause it makes Thor look horrible. if we assume it was a slip and Thor and Iz are scum buddies both kills attract attention to mafia

[Shiro]

@Thor

Well I don't know. I never really anylised a wagon before to know how to classify the placements in it. Let alone in a big game.l with 12 people voting the person.

[Shiro]

@Thor
Oh I know that don't worry xD I wont be entering a large game for some time after this. It is all kinda overwhelming.

Which brings us back to why do you think it is scummy ?

[Shiro]

Ook is anyone interested in asking that question ?

Axl is boring so he wasn't worty of an answer

And I am too Inexperienced to understand the answet.

Any one that is experienced enough and not Axl that may wants to know why Thor thinks my placement in the Pere wagon was scummy ?

[Shiro]

Thor....I replaced in 23/10 caught up at 25/10 Deadline was at 27/10 whichs weeks of day 1 do you speak of that I stayed silent ???

[Shiro]

@Thor....I caught up at 25/10 I started posting at 25/10

Wall of text about Anen at 26/10

If that is awfully long then I am sorry for not meeting your replace in on 92page long game timing standars.

As for the vote on Pere. Axl and re read on Anen ISO made me stop feeling off about Anen thus I found Pere the best option between You,Anen and Pere.

[Shiro]

Who did u even mix me up with ?

[Shiro]

@Slandar As the other person who supports my lynch what do you think of Thor's case ?

[Shiro]

@Slandar As the other person who supports my lynch what do you think of Thor's case ?

do you have thoughts about anything other than why people are voting you.

Is anything else of interest?

Boons sudden disappearance after such a burst of activity. Is kinda odd I was expecting him to stick around.

I am stll waiting for him to say what kind of info thor flip will give him since he admitted that he didnt read day 1.
I would have been more concerned about that though if I wasnt leaning town on him

[Shiro]

His claim makes sense

He claim a pr that confirms multiball
^A strech of an assumption but not an impossible one from 2 shot bp

He says his role will be main point of Discussion day 2
^He was convinced he was going to be NKed. If he was shot as 2 shot BP wouldnt that make him main point of dusscussion.

His I am protective role in our Hood.
^Still lines up. He was convinced that we have scum in our hood cause we are the biggest one. It does seem like the final nail in the coffin to seal the nk on him.

It does take a lot of assuming from his part but his words do connect so
If it was a fake claim it certenly seems to be a pre planned one which as you can see I do not think is the case

[Shiro]

Yes him saying he never been nked before is off does that mean as a 2 shot bp he wasnt supposed to try ? Assuming it the way he did was a strech which makes me tjink it is why he claimed protective role in our hood in hopes of sealung it.
^About blue point

The purple one lines up he kind of claimed doc in our hood to draw it. Or I am failing to see your point.

[Shiro]

I guess he believed his action would draw it. True convinced is a heavy word. High hopes would be more appropriate.

Still his actions and words with some wishful thinking on his part on how successful he would be at drawing the nk line up with his 2 shot bp claim.

[Shiro]

It not impossible to assume he said with certenity that his role will be a main focus today as means to draw the kill as well asthe fact he was 2 shot bp

[Shiro]

@Slander Dx Dont ruin the format you are supposed to say Day 4's point :/ And where am I ? I don't like the lack of spotlight on Shiro this episode ;~;

Regardless of that you didn't answer me. What are your thoughts on Thor's case about me ?

[Shiro]

Okay, look, it is OBVIOUS that I was talking about the amount of the relative conversation about each person. i literally said as much.

Soo you are saying the fact that I had more relative conversations about Anen(specificaly with Axl) that made me view him in a better light thus conclude that Pere is the better wagon at the time scummy.....

How?

[Shiro]

I think that actually explains why I dislike 2462 so much. Anen get's all these thoughts about him and PV gets a 'Thor wouldn't PV do x as scum??'

Okay, look, it is OBVIOUS that I was talking about the amount of the relative conversation about each person. i literally said as much.

Soo you are saying the fact that I had more relative conversations about Anen(specificaly with Axl) that made me view him in a better light thus conclude that Pere is the better wagon at the time scummy.....

How?

What I just posted to Thor.

[Shiro]

You voted a town read off deadline while not justifying the action while unvoting a mild not scum/town read while very much justifying the action.

But there wasn't anybody else to vote at the time. After re-reading Anen ISO I really didn't want to lynch him. Pere was the only other person since you wagon was horrible

[Shiro]

You voted a town read off deadline while not justifying the action while unvoting a mild not scum/town read while very much justifying the action.

But there wasn't anybody else to vote at the time. After re-reading Anen ISO I really didn't want to lynch him. Pere was the only other person since you wagon was horrible

You called Pere's wagon also horrible.
What changed?

I saw Anen in a better light. That's what changed and that is the point.

I didn't strongly like any of the wagon but I had some off feeling about Anen which was why I was thinking of voting him out of the 3 picks. After speaking with axl and re-reading Anen ISO I saw him in a better light and decided that from the 3 it might as well be Pere.

Btw you wanted reason to find who you mixed me up with. Well you brought what he said as an argument for Tier to vote me, doesn't that mean the person who exhibited the behaviour you accused me for is scummy ? Why aren't you interested into seeing why he did and potentially caught scum ?

[Shiro]

I didn't strongly like any of the wagon but I had some off feeling about Anen which was why I was thinking of voting him out of the 3 picks. After speaking with axl and re-reading Anen ISO I saw him in a better light and decided that from the 3 it might as well be Pere.

But you found the Pere wagon to be bad? Why support it at all?

You didn't exactly see me pushing it now did you ?

[Shiro]

I saw you vote it - that's kind of a big part of supporting it.

Was I supposed to abstain from voting ? A lynch had to happen regardless of how much I liked the wagons. Do you disagree with that ?

[Shiro]

Actually yes, especially on Day 1 - you don't vote town reads.
You chose to.
You chose to do it with no explanation at all.
That is screwy.

......really? I was under the impression you had to if necessarry cause you need the flips info in order to see how people handled said person

[Shiro]

@Iz whose vote do u think is the most suspicious ?

@Thor That lurksack that you mixed me up with did sonething that according to you was a reason for Tier to vote me or find a good enough reason to explain it. Isnt that enough of a reason to find who u mixed me up with ? The person might be scum escaping the lynch because he is being a lurksack no ?

[Shiro]

Slandar...but..but.....I thought...I.....I was your .....;~;




In other news can you explain to me as well what's Axl point with the numbers

[Shiro]

@Garmr Axl just pointed a big contradiction. Care to explain why you believe a null read needs out now over people you are certain are scum ?

[Shiro]

Agreed but this is out if the blue. You were null reading him not too long ago.

Let alone that you have said as Axl has pointed out tgat u think he and Boon are almost certain scum.

You are willing to lynch a hunch based on meta over people u scumread from the game itself ?

[Shiro]

@gm I just ignore axle now for my sanities sake.

Tis BS but ok ignore Axl answer to me

What made Thor from Null to above 90% scum certain scum ?

[Shiro]

I'm fine if everyone one shifts their votes on me if they promise to lynch axle after I flip town.

Why not Thor ? Wasnt he on top after your reread ?

Didnt Thor needed out now over Axl ?

[Shiro]

i'm town but I really don't want to play this game and I can't be bothered hunting. SO going to let you guys if you want to mislynch me or for me to replace out.

This...This is pure AtE BS

Vote:Garmr

[Shiro]

okay garmr replaced out we can go back to thor now.

Are you serious ? You think garm can still be town ?

[Shiro]

well, his thought process does make serious sense for town that is replacing out.

How ??? He just a while ago said that he reread the game and concluded Thor is scum and then says he is bored of the game for a while now.

How does that make any sense ?

[Shiro]

Note - Shiro already did move.

I never voted you to move my vote away.

[Shiro]

Can someone give me a brief of the case on thor in one post everything neatly placed.

Cause to me this whole thing people hang him over is well kinda stupid since I kind of did talk more about anen and voted pere afterwards (although I did explain why) Why would he inetentionally be ambigius to stir this whole thing up when he was trying to make people vote me. It makes no sense. None. In fact it apparently made him look horrible. Why would scum do it ?

[Shiro]

By befuddled I mean confused. By confused I mean unsure. By unsure I do *not* mean count up how many times I have used unsure and if it's less than or equal to befuddled it is then an angle on my part to deabte the quality of my confusion rather than the mere existence of it.

By confusion I mean befuddled.

You won the thread xD I am laughing so hard right now xD

[Shiro]

Life took over. Can someone give me a quick update on the Thor case?

My suggestion ? Look at the garmr case and vote him.

The case on thor isn't that good.

[Shiro]

He claimed he had found 3 scums almost certain (Which is solid reason not to be fed up and bored)
He was in good enough mood to reread game and conclude thor is scum which implies he was scumhunting(I mean he found 3 scum,4if we add scripten)
He got cornered
He was contradicting himself
Suddenly bored and in no mood to scumhunt
AtE BS
Replaces out

Break down to me how that progression is town

[Shiro]

Thors null on my reads list at the moment

but I do think that boon is genuinely scum of some kind.

So you finally seeing that shiro is town slaandar that's good. But If you have a look back didn't you notice something if you look back at thors play on a whole. Thors plays here reminds me of that game where me and him were scum buddies. His vote on shiro was bad(so were your reasoning on shiro) and the iza vote is bad.

VOTE: thor

We can deal with boon or axle tomorrow.

Thor needs out first

.

OH look my scum read claimed scum in the thread.

First this which Axl posted

Then about Tier

Garmr is trying so hard to be my new favourite scumread.

I got atleast 1 or 2 scumz on my wagon might as well have them all jump on my wagon.

Meh it was more of a ask for scum to hop on a dare. My read on you null i don't know what the fuck you are.

Though debetable this might have been real intentions but I think it was more I called him scum and had nothing to back it up when asked.

Also

I'm fine if everyone one shifts their votes on me if they promise to lynch axle after I flip town.

After having claimed that Thor needs out and Axl,Boon can be dealt with tommorow. Which came at the end after claiming he had time to totaly scum read thor thus certain about the vote as stated here about the decline in his opinion

I have had 7 hours to think about this shiro to think about this shiro and I have had constantly declining opinion of thor since the start of day 2.

[Shiro]

I'm going to go on record and state that none of those are contradictions.

What are those then ?

[Shiro]

@Slander can you tell me how twas scummy ? I still don't bloody get it

@Tier I read the wall.I only find Axl walls kinda hard to read xD

[Shiro]

The incredibly short version: You never made it clear why you voted PV over Anen.

Didn't I ? Numerous times I've said I didn't like any wagon but a lynch had to happen I was between voting Pere and Anen but I was leaning toward Anen. After my disscussion with Axl and rereading Anen ISO I ended not wanting to lynch anen. Pere was the only other option since it was deadline day.

Can I ask something Slander which was your alternative ? Yea u defended Pere the whole time yet u never really presented any wagon for people to vote how is you abstaining to vote to keep your hands clean any better ?

[Shiro]

Oh and I am saying this because a while ago u said the reason was how I worded it. And how it was made in a way to pass the responsibility to others. Something u did in a much bigger deegre by abstaining to vote.

I guess the reason changed though.

[Shiro]

Would have voted Anen =/= Did anything about him getting lynched over my Pere town read.

Also no those two are not the same. In fact they are oppisite.

If I votes pere with no reason how can the reason be to pass responsibility to Thor ?

You either though My vote was scummy cause it was without a reason
Or
You though it was scummy cause the reason behind it was to pass responsibility to Thor.

You just stated u thought both. How ?

Also I did say how and more than one person said they can see the progression. Muffin who is now confirmed town included.

[Shiro]

Again more than one person can see the reason for the switch. The reason was there you just dont find it reasonable.

So again you either think the reason was BS thus the vote was weak with no reason and scummy
Or
The vote was made in a way to pass responsibility thus scummy. That in itself is a reason

Both cant mutualy exist


And there is none . I was under the impression a lynch had to happen.(since apperently I should have abstained) Pere was the one I felt more comfortable voting because after the progression on Anen read happened my town read on him was stronger.

And again how is it worse than you abstaining from voting. Saying you would have voted is empty since it never happened. You never tried to push an alternative.

[Shiro]

Again you are providing reason behind the vote.

You stated the vote was with no reason.

And again How is it worse from u abstaining to vote or attempting to push any other lynch to protect pere.

You say I am scum for voting while passing responsibility to Thor.
You abstained and passed responsibility for the lynch to others.

So by your logic are u scum ?

[Shiro]

Dave you are not making much sense I hope you realise that.

Can you nicely clarify your thoughts in one post

[Shiro]

@Axl yea you were one of them.

Thing is even from your scum prespective you find reason behind the vote. Slander stated the post was with no reason yet previously he stated that my voted was made in a way to pass responsibility to Thor(which in itself is a reason)

He also still hasnt answered what GM quoted.

Can I ask something Slander which was your alternative ? Yea u defended Pere the whole time yet u never really presented any wagon for people to vote how is you abstaining to vote to keep your hands clean any better ?

[Shiro]

@MOD Didnt TSO say he is staying after all ?

[Shiro]

Has blaze slot been anything but null from predesscesors ?

[Shiro]

Sorry meant beast

[Shiro]

I scumread Haep - but I seem to recall getting some blowback on that point, so I'm thinking some people town read him.
Why, wanna make a sudden rush wagon there?

I tend to dislike excessive lurking and I wanted to see where people stand about the slot.

[Shiro]

Garmr was looking for some nice quiet place to park his vote, and then not really push the lynch.

Hint What slander has been doing as well

Day 1 Gm (Never really pushed)and then joke over hammer
Day 2 Me (Never strongly pushed me since he broke his points to 24 hours gaps,werent all that strong and never truly tried to convince anyone to vote me) and now Gamr ( Not a single push attempt)

Oh fun fact I noticed. Both days he felt the need to protect leading wagons and to add when Thor said he found his defence of him odd slander....stopped cause u know he wanted to save thor.
He also felt the need to announce at the end of day 1 that he tried to save pere yet never really tried to push anyone else in order to create a reasonable alternative

Oh about the contradiction I mentioned
One imples he found the lack of reason scummy
The other says it find the uterior motive of passing responsibility scummy

They contradict because the first implies that he cannot see a reason thus founds the vote off and scummy
The other says he sees a uterior motive and sees that reason as scummy.

[Shiro]

2 People beat me to it

I mean clearly gamr slot feels threatened by your votes presence.

And yea it is when u actually preaent an alternative.

I would also like to say that you have been trying to be thor pal from the start of the day.

Which is why u messed you reason for finding my vote scummy. Instead of recalling what u said to flumber(or Iz I dont remember who perfectly) You rehashed Thor's reason.

[Shiro]

@Gm

Hey How much pressure did u feel when slander pushed u day 1 ?

[Shiro]

Question to everyone.

Do u remember slander pushing wagons ? And hard at that as he claims ?

@Thor In case I am musreading this. Did u feel like slander was trying to be your buddy during day 2 ?

[Shiro]

Yea useless vote is useless gamr wagon reached oblivion

UNVOTE

VOTE:SLANDAR

[Shiro]

Scripten read the air. Nobody is willing to vote the slot so yea it is pretty dead.

Slandar vote is useless right now but as u can see I am trying to make it something.

Did u even read what I posted about Slandar or just expressed wtf ?

[Shiro]

Scripten read the air. Nobody is willing to vote the slot so yea it is pretty dead.

Slandar vote is useless right now but as u can see I am trying to make it something.

Did u even read what I posted about Slandar or just expressed wtf ?

[Shiro]

@Thor if that is the case would u consider a slander wagon ?

[Shiro]

Nah. I am mild town on Slandaar.

Why ?

And if so can u tear my case to pieces so I can consider joining yours instead ?

He claimed a while ago that he has been pushing wagons and hard at that. Do u think that is true ?

Do u think he is being usefull "pushing" the gamr wagon ?

[Shiro]

@Dave

Who did he push ? Gm was his main vote day 1and she doesnt even remember getting pushed.

His vote was parked on me the whole day 2 and his push was weak. He switched to gamr and he didnt even attempt to push that.

@Thor

1 Eh at least direct me as to why it is not telling or at least not better than anything else

2. Your standar are pretty high then. I mean there is a wagon on u and Axl pushed gamr pretty hard

3.Sure but Axl.Scripten and I at least tried to push and although admitidly I was late to switch my vote I pushed Sland. He did nothing of that sorts.

[Shiro]

The Garmr wagon last had life about a week ago - if that doesn't make it dead I don't know what does.

being the largest wagon apart from the one on you.

Still dead

Scripten pushed a bit then lurked and now posted a case
I pushed a bit but switched to slandet
Slander did nothing
You tried but none was seeing your points.

Hey what do u think on my case on slandar ? What do u think of slandar in genrtal Would u be willing to vote him ?

[Shiro]

Hey what do u think on my case on slandar ?

dont like it

kk can you tell me why ? If someone can be nice enough to tell me

"Shiro your case is shit because A,B,C"

Then I am willing to go try and do something else. The problem with gamr case is that gamr is not with us anymore. Pushing someone who wont caught up to the game before deadline is impossible.
The wagon died when Gamr replaced and people town read that replace for w/e reason. If people reconsider that stane I am willing to lynch him


Hey GM you said at some point that you would be willing to lynch slandar as well as Thor. Can you perhaps help me push that ? Cause it appears I am not as succesful as I would have wanted to be. If not can you do what I asked axl above?

[Shiro]

@Scripted I see his replace in as a flat out scum move and expressed so . The majority thinks it is not. Without gamr to push and stuff it is sadly impossible to press the issue.

You said Slander is the least likely person for you to vote from the current people being pressed. Can you tell me why ?

[Shiro]

@Axl I would agree but I am still Slandar top scum read, How does that fit in the way you presented his thoughts ?

[Shiro]

For me to vote Josh, someone other than Axle needs to convince me the slot is scummy, without using the "Garmr contradiction" case as evidence.

Here my two posts about him.
3630
3624

Are they helping ?

[Shiro]

Well I am willing to lynch

Slandar<>Gamr slot>beast>>>Thor(Will if have to)

In that order

I think everyone should list who they are willing to lynch and see if we can find common ground

[Shiro]

You made some fair points which is why my list went from slandar >Gamr to Slandar<>Gamr for a lynch

Although Gm said she doesnt even remember getting pushed by him

His case on me being weak isnt the main problem. The fact I was his certain scum person with such weak reasoning and the fact he never truly tried to push me is. Even his way was weak since it allowed people to forget previous points. He wanted to look as if he is pushing while making sure none would follow.

It is because he was trying to buddy thor. It is because like with pere he defended without actually presenting an alternative
It is because it look like he want to be able to say told u so when thor flipped. Exactly like he did with pere when he anounced how he tried to save him.

[Shiro]

The oppisite is acceptable like you said.

Finding the vote scummy cause no reason >Invedtigate > Trying to pass blame (Scummy reason)

He said he found the trying to pass responsibility scummy and after that he said he found the vote being without reason scummy. How does that make sense ?

Thinks the way the vote is made pases respobsibility > Investigates > The vote is empty with no reason ???

He forgot he said something else some time ago and when I asked he rehashed Thor reason to be appease to him.

[Shiro]

Shiro are you saying the reason you voted PV is because you had passed responsibility to Thor?

No I am saying this is the reason you presented and this is the only thought process I can see. I am not saying I did, I am saying that now that it has been explained I can see how someone could reach that conclusion.

Shiro will be convinced to join the Garmr wagon (I don't really have names)

I need no convincing. I am ready to vote Garmr Slandar-sempai. This is the one thing we agree xD Oh and also the fact your ways made me enjoy myself the most so we also agree that fun > Victory
I made this but forgot to post it :3

[Shiro]

Although Gm said she doesnt even remember getting pushed by him

WAT.

Go read the thread an see if it happened.
Why are you trusting GM
and even if you trust GM as town, why trust the memory go read the thread. (right near the end of the day when I voted GM too.)

Well if the push was strong enough she should have been able to recall it no ?

@Thor - GM is a town read. I'd prefer Josh. Beast has literally no votes. I'm not sure why I should compromise onto a

less

viable wagon. Give me 3 votes, and we'll talk.

Heck, get me 1 on Garmr and we'll talk. I'm working GM, not Beast - I thought that was obvious.

If I vote Garmr again would you consider voting him as well ?

[Shiro]

@Thor

Actually I never put much thought on dave cause I never felt strong on him either way

Why is he better than beast though ? I mean beast came in coincidentaly when mentioned voted and coincidentally right before he had to leave in order to sleep. I guess he also coincidentaly has come back.

[Shiro]

Hey, SHIRO -you're on a vanity wagon yet active. Rank in terms of lynch desirability:

Thor
Flub
Josh

Thanks.

Wait weren't you townreading Thor a few moment ago ???

He is now your top canditate for a lynch ?

[Shiro]

Thor- Eh only if need be
Flub-Nah
Josh(Gamr slot) Yeap I am all for it

[Shiro]

You know ? Yea true

UNVOTE

VOTE:JOSH

The only other wagon that can go anywhere

@Thor You are voting people on the premise that they are better targets than you. That can apply to josh and too add to that you yourself admitted that you found his thought process un-towny

@The Fonz You seemed ok with the idea of lynching this slot and you asked my opinion on it. Perhaps join the cause ?

@Dave I gave you a few more opinions as to why to vote this slot apart from Axls point. I would also tell you to read at the posts before his replace. Do you really think that was town ?

@Flubber Would you consider the gamr slot lynch ?

@GM ^

@Iz you didnt have the slot in your list of potential people you might want to vote. Can you tell me why ? Maybe I can change your opinion

[Shiro]

For me to vote Josh, someone other than Axle needs to convince me the slot is scummy, without using the "Garmr contradiction" case as evidence.

Here my two posts about him.
3630
3624

Are they helping ?

3630 rehashes one of Axle's points, and a couple of really thin "contradictions" which Thor (the king of seeing contradictions) doesn't even agree with.

My reading of the events summarized in 3624 is: Frustrated by Axle, can't get him to go away, tries to start a counter, realizes it won't work, gets pissed off beyond redemption, leaves. I don't see it as alignment indicative.

Thor does agree that it is untowny thought process

How is that not alignment indicative ? He realised he entered a situation he couldn't talk himself out of so he replaced out in hopes that people will leave the slot alone. It is kinda frustrating that it has worked wonders

[Shiro]

For me to vote Josh, someone other than Axle needs to convince me the slot is scummy, without using the "Garmr contradiction" case as evidence.

Here my two posts about him.
3630
3624

Are they helping ?

3630 rehashes one of Axle's points, and a couple of really thin "contradictions" which Thor (the king of seeing contradictions) doesn't even agree with.

My reading of the events summarized in 3624 is: Frustrated by Axle, can't get him to go away, tries to start a counter, realizes it won't work, gets pissed off beyond redemption, leaves. I don't see it as alignment indicative.

Thor does agree that it is untowny thought process

How is that not alignment indicative ? He realised he entered a situation he couldn't talk himself out of so he replaced out in hopes that people will leave the slot alone. It is kinda frustrating that it has worked wonders

There are reasons a town player might think it is better for town to replace out in that position. It's not an exclusively scum thing to do.

Liiiike ? Cause it seems pretty selfish thing to do. Let alone that person that replaces in might not even give a fuck since the game is so big making it a horrible move for town

[Shiro]

We are not going to agree to anything here are we ?

@Thor Dave wagon is going to oblivion and it is going there fast. Like u said to us either sell the wagon so people sheep it or vote someone that might go anywhere other than nowhere.

You accusse people for not pushing yada yada but the last couple days your pushes have been pretty weak to none existant.
Have u even pushed any wagon past 3 votes ?

@Boon can u do anything other than nothing ? If you think iz is scum and u still think that thing in our hood was a slip then vote Thor and be productive.

[Shiro]

Can someone give a recap on the last ~300 posts because I'm not likely readong them soon.

A bunch of nothing put into 300 posts. We are in the exact same position we were when you left unable to agree in anything

[Shiro]

And yet it is tied for third largest wagon in the game right now.
It is not going to oblivion, it has gotten stronger within the past 24 hours.

Yea it stands in it's L-7 Glory. How did I miss that

[Shiro]

Meh claim

Vote:Thor

L-1

Maybe this way something will happen

[Shiro]

..............................


Are you fucking serious ?

[Shiro]

H

[Shiro]

Um. What.

I put L-1 Thor to fucking get the claim in order for something to happen

An REINO fucking bloody hammered with a double vote ......... before anything

SERIOSLY WTF MATE >.>

..............................


Are you fucking serious ?

thor's obvscum. He's been softclaiming all fucking day which is why I totally buy into goodmorning's "tone" arguments. He has a fake-claim all lined up.

I sinserly hope you are right

[Shiro]

ok wait was the hammer fake ???

Thor can you tell exactly what you found scummy on dave ? HIs first conv with you when he voted you was shitty and made no sense whatsoever is that the reason ?

Unvote

Also Slandar just made a good point there about Boon. Slandar were u suspicious of him from before or just this? Cause apart from this mistake I had a pretty good town read on Boon dunno if that alone is enough to shake it

[Shiro]

@Shiro - are you not fucking reading either? I thought Reinoe was scum in the game I referenced, and thought Thor was in the same position. Which would make Thor scum. I was wrong about Reinoe being scum there, so I unvoted. HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS?

Cause apart from this mistake I had a pretty good town read on Boon dunno if that alone is enough to shake it

^Are you reading ? As I said apart from this mistake. I have a solid town read on you so I am willing to believe it was an honest mistake and not shake that read

[Shiro]

Yes, I am reading. And that's exactly why I'm mad. It should make me seem MORE town that I made the mistake.

I do not find the mistake all that scummy but the fact you pushed a hammer based on it while you yourself vaguely remembered it is odd. I mean you vaguely remembered it so why push it for hammer ?

P.edit
OH MY GOD SLANDAR-SEMPAI are we ....are we teaming up on something ?

[Shiro]

Nero you did kinda defended Boon in more than once occasion before. If I recall correctly. Saying that he is genraly read as VI town and the like.

He wasn't in your lynch canditates either

[Shiro]

Well,

Boon is a claimed VI

. He softclaimed yesterday. He said he'd talk about it today. I think its obvious that his softclaim was going to be and will be for the remainder of the game until he flips (or full claims), a major point of discussion. As I said, he's a claimed Vi (and maybe I'm giving him too much credit here) I don't actually think he's dumb enough to go "hey ya'll are going to talk about me!" and then when you ask him why he thinks that (which was a super dumb questions anways) he talks about the hoods?

Whats wrong with it? I'm not getting it?

He's a derpy VI

-or he atleast pretends like he is-and in this game in a claimed bulletproof townie and thus tried to (though a rather horrible job) draw the nk. Then in a bout of self awareness claims he wasn't going to get nked 'cause he was mislynch bait. Well, scum usually don't nk someone they think they can get lynched and or hedge against so exactly why is that bullshit?

@Nero I am pretty sure you did

[Shiro]

@Shiro - are you not fucking reading either? I thought Reinoe was scum in the game I referenced, and thought Thor was in the same position. Which would make Thor scum. I was wrong about Reinoe being scum there, so I unvoted. HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS?

Alright I will bite Boonsie. If you only vaguely remembered the incident then why didn't you check before pushing for a hammer?

It's not just the mistake it's the lack of thought shown into your read when someone is L-1. It looks like you didn't care and just wanted to push the lynch through. I do find it hard to imagine forgetting Reinoe is town when you yourself performed the gambit too...

Did you think I cared about the game enough to make sure? This is also a response to your statement made. Also, I have now grown a little more interest in this game, as I believe it has shown.

Well it seemed you were super into the game early day 2 but you kinda MIA on us

[Shiro]

I don't think I ever said anything about him being read as a VI

Well,

Boon is a claimed VI

. He softclaimed yesterday. He said he'd talk about it today. I think its obvious that his softclaim was going to be and will be for the remainder of the game until he flips (or full claims), a major point of discussion. As I said, he's a claimed Vi (and maybe I'm giving him too much credit here) I don't actually think he's dumb enough to go "hey ya'll are going to talk about me!" and then when you ask him why he thinks that (which was a super dumb questions anways) he talks about the hoods?

Whats wrong with it? I'm not getting it?

He's a derpy VI

-or he atleast pretends like he is-and in this game in a claimed bulletproof townie and thus tried to (though a rather horrible job) draw the nk. Then in a bout of self awareness claims he wasn't going to get nked 'cause he was mislynch bait. Well, scum usually don't nk someone they think they can get lynched and or hedge against so exactly why is that bullshit?

@Nero I am pretty sure you did

So any comments on that ?

[Shiro]

@Nero wasn't it kinda your bases on your defence of him against Axl ? At least that is the idea I got

@Axl What up with the naked vote ?

[Shiro]

Well excuse me but when you say

He is a claimed VI
and
He is derpy-VI

It kind of does imply you town read him cause of it

[Shiro]

which does by definition of
"Contradiction: the statement of a position opposite to one already made"
This

I don't think I ever said anything about him being read as a VI.

Heck the argument you had with Axl was the fact that Axl was saying Boon shouldnt take a free pass because of VI meta

[Shiro]

So the fact you see him as a VI didn't infulence your read ? Cause what I am saying is your posts gave the assumption(at least to me) that the fact you see him as a VI infulenced your read on him not that you see him as undoubtedly town cause of it.

[Shiro]

Also, Iz, I know I should have. I just fell behind, and never caught up. I tried to stay caught up D2 beginning, but eh. I'll be fine from now on. I've gotten the basis on the player list now.

Does that mean we will be seeing some Boon action from now on ?

[Shiro]

ok wait was the hammer fake ???

Unvote

Err yeah ..duh. (it would be suicide as any alignment to do that without the claim, unless you hit scum, and he hadnt been certain thor was scum before so whered the certainty come from. AKA non-sense)

Ok.
next step. Thor will still get lynched at dead line unless there is another wagon.
So vote some one, like dunno...., maybe the guy you are scum reading?

Well I got fooled >.>

Well We tried Gamr slot ->Didnt work out
I tried Slandar->Didnt work out

Next is Beast Tier is voting for him could go for that but I am not seeing light there either

Might as well give it a shot though lucky number 3 ?

VOTE:BEAST

[Shiro]

Next is Beast Tier is voting for him could go for that but I am not seeing light there either

Might as well give it a shot though lucky number 3 ?

but why that wagon?

He was always my third pick. He lurked the whole game and the little he spoke coincidentaly when mentioned/votes was meh
Btw it seems I was remembering right that he defended Boon. He did defend him when you said town shouldn't give him a free pass on the VI meta right ? Cause if so we do have a contradiction here.


@Thor Yea I remember you saying that scum is unlikly to admit mistake in such manner or something along those lines. He then voted GM and then revoted you. It was kinda odd

[Shiro]

@Thor Yea I remember you saying that scum is unlikly to admit mistake in such manner or something along those lines. He then voted GM and then revoted you. It was kinda odd

Expand on what you mean by 'odd'.

Because I am calling it straight up scummy.
What's your read?

Ehhh... I'll get behind this. He's had enough grace period to pull something together and has procured nothing.

VOTE: beastcharizard

Sure by odd I mean the fact that he claimed he suppodly voted GM to make you push a case and test you to see how legit you were. It seemed like a fake reason to put his vote back on you without having to explain how bad his case was(since he had a new reason now)

[Shiro]

He(

?)

was always my third pick. He(

?

) lurked the whole game and the little he spoke coincidentaly when mentioned/votes was meh
Btw it seems I was remembering right that he defended Boon. He(

?

) did defend him when you(axle) said town shouldn't give him(boon) a free pass on the VI meta right ? Cause if so we do have a contradiction here.

I am confused.

Who do you claim did that

?

(name please)
then who are you voting?

Beast did that.

And I am voting beast right now

[Shiro]

Oh the second He is Nero

First and second He are Beast third is Nero

[Shiro]

^And I meant third on the first sentence

[Shiro]

You seemed unfocused and fuzzy...

I am a little unfocused and fuzzy it is 3am I am not sure why I am still here tbh xD



P.Edit Did I just see someone willing to vote Garmr slot? Is this happening ?

[Shiro]

So Nero u are lynching Thor not for being scum but for hurting town...

Please enlighten as to how you have been more productive and helpful than Thor.

[Shiro]

@Slandar-sempai I do not think anyone is interested in a Boon lynch today

What do u think of the current situation ?

[Shiro]

I dont get it nobody thinks beast is a bad lynch. Most see him at worst as average So why not ? Nobody agrees af anything othrr than beast isnt such a bsd choice. So why not ?

@Thor If beast wagon does go anywhere I am voting Dave. Why beast first ? Cause that how I feel. Both lean scum for me

@Slandar-sempai would u consider beast ?

P.Edit

I see kk slander if none. I am giving beast wagon a day before leaving it though.

[Shiro]

I do have a why. I mean look at the small interaction he had. Does it look town ?

He went from sorry life is hectic I am trying to catch up
To
Coincidentaly popping up right when mentioned/voted with a lol forgot abot game excuse just to defend self and then he went to sleep when discussion was about to start.
Mind you he said he coincidentally happened to talk when mentioned (which implies he entered to catch up) yet it just so happened to be a little before having to go to sleep.

[Shiro]

Is anyone else ok with lynching beast if he doesn't come tommorow with at least a read lsit ?

[Shiro]

I don't get it. How will more beast votes justify you voting for Dave?

I obviously missclicked. I meant if Beast wagon doesn't go anywhere

[Shiro]

Well I mean we could debate the merits of the claim; surely if he were scum he would claim full JK instead of 1-shot as 1-shot which has used it's shot is useless and really is no better than claiming VT.

Not a good survival tactic hm?

Yea but we could debate he did so on purpuse so you will think it is not a good survival tactic making you think he is legit while infact he isnt.

More wine?

[Shiro]

Yea but we could debate he did so on purpuse so you will think it is not a good survival tactic making you think he is legit while infact he isnt.

More wine?

Who actually does that? no-one. It sounds good but in actual practice doesn't happen.

I meant it as a joke xD

[Shiro]

UNVOTE
VOTE:DAVE

Slander-sempai so is Boon. He isn't getting lynched.
None is voting Beast so he is invalid
Gamr slot lost all heat and is invalid
And I am not all that against Nero but I do not think there is enough oumf to make it happen nor do I feel as comfortable with it

[Shiro]

I am ok with Beast.Dave and Nero right now.

Cant really do much without dave here to defend himself.

I still prefer Beast if people are for it. That ladt excuse was BS I think he is scum trying to buy as much time as he can but alas he only reached as far as 3 votes

[Shiro]

Oh btw another coincidence he talked to say he will contribute when he reached 3 votes and I was trying to convince people to vote him and when wagon went nowhere and tier left it he pops to say "oh by tommorow I meant next day phase cause I thought Thor was hammered"

That is suspicious .

[Shiro]

Iz why ? How was his push on Thor then vote on GM and the back to Thor cause test town like ?
^Gm same question cause u said u aren't voting him.

Axl I get what u are saying but we are going there anyway cause people here cant agree.

[Shiro]

@Iz I mean his way in general. He admitted he didnt quite know why he was pushing thor and unvoted. Didnt the gm thing seem like an excuse reason to revote thor without having to explain the previous stuff ?

[Shiro]

if anything the most likely bus was gamr'slot

Voted it first even before Axl(if memory serves right) when the wagon finally got traction he vanished and didn't push at all and after it died he came to give a case that obviously at that time went nowhere cause the wagon was dead.

[Shiro]

I find it unlikely that beast vote was a bus vote, if that wasn't made clear already.

Though Iz that doesnt mean Beast cannot be maf. They can be opposing faction.

[Shiro]

Thor, given that Scripten was voting beast at end of day yesterday, why are you still pointing at beast? What about the night events points to beast as scum?

Scripten.
Fonz.
Tier.

I can easily see Tier as a scum shot.
Both Fonz and Scripten strike me as slightly unusual scum shots considering the pushes they made and the attention they had.

Do you think we have a Vig or no?

Also, I am totally interested in your thoughts about Goodmorning - considering I claimed a JK on her Night 1 and we are missing a kill from that night with three tonight. So either we have some limited Vig/limited SK action, or a chance that an unclaimed protective role did something or a chance that I saved GM/prevented her kill action.

Thoughts?

or a chance that Boon was shot. Why neglet to mention that option ? Especially with the little thing garmr said about it

[Shiro]

@Beast Am I the shinobi person in the why readlist ? Cause otherwise there is ni such person. If it is me then how am I the most likely ww person based on scriptens flip ?Which vote made u think that ? Also your top scumread is based on gut. Ok.

@Reinoi Most likely scum in my hood is nobody. I town read everyone in it.

@Boon it was me pushing beast lynch

[Shiro]

Slandar we are missing a kill n1
He claimed pr and day2 said he is bp. It not impossible to assume he was shot thus the missing kill n1

[Shiro]

@Rei
Beast.
I scumread him and his posts now do nothing to lessen that.
Slandar is a second

[Shiro]

@Beast Am I the shinobi person in the why readlist ? Cause otherwise there is ni such person. If it is me then how am I the most likely ww person based on scriptens flip ?Which vote made u think that ? Also your top scumread is based on gut. Ok.

@Reinoi Most likely scum in my hood is nobody. I town read everyone in it.

@Boon it was me pushing beast lynch

Yes that is you. Also I can explain more if you would like when I get home later.

please do so

[Shiro]

Beast again explain how scriptens ww flips makes me scum
Also

Vote:Beast

Till u do and the reason makes sense.

[Shiro]

@Slandar-sempai do not call me shinobi as well it doesn't even make sense as a nickname Dx

[Shiro]

Beast scripten never voted mate wth?

[Shiro]

And I don't see anything reinoe has done which means he's gotta be removed.

Yea because beast has done so much the past 2 days

[Shiro]

Best is avoiding answering anything really.(still hasnt explained how scripten vote on cho make me scum) (or post the post for that matter axl did)
Beast since you apparenly were faking being behind why did u vote dave? why was reinoe a scum read at the time in order to make him worth investigating over other people ?

[Shiro]

Yeah, because it is working so well.

I dunno he almost got rei lynched and put him in a horrible spot. It not working that bad

[Shiro]

Scum kill anen to leave Thor as last living wagon player from day 1 to makeThor look more appealing. With both counterwagond flipped town it does make u think.

Funnily enough I've also used as scum the lynch me if I am wrong card xD I said something similar to beast xD

[Shiro]

So you misrepped the Amished tell, but not only that you tried to misrep the person who coined the phrase. It's right there.

Get out of here.

There is nothing scummy about saying your predecessor did nothing when they did nothing. He didn't criticize his predecessor as the word is meant in the quotes you are using. Saying they did nothing is not a criticism in terms of alignment which is how the Amished tell is applied.

Beast constantly complains about how he doesn't have time to get caught up, but why did he take the time to check on the status of his slot? How did he know his predescessor did nothing unless he checked first? Also why is Beast actively lurking and selectively choosing not to answer some questions and then choosing to answer others?

apparently he was always caught up. It is his new meta of lurking to avid nks

Also, I explain why I played the way I did. I have mad a lurky doing nothing meta for myself as town lately so I thought this would be the perfect time to see if I could do that and survive as a PR. So yesterday I pretended to be behind and be useless.

[Shiro]

I like being the hero rather than clearing things up.

Day killing mafia is the only way to be a true hero though

[Shiro]

Also Beasts super duper PR lurking strategy while kind of derpy makes sense from town. You might think it's bad but it does completely make sense.

How exactly does it make sense ? It makes him the perfect vig target, let alone a good lynch bait in case a compromise needed to be made

[Shiro]

Yeah, because it is working so well.

Again btw. Look at the VC clearly it not working well at all

[Shiro]

Yeah I sure did. Because I could not figure out how it was possible for us to have the same role.

I think when someone claims a guilty result on you then you don't need to think about how it is possible to have the same role as them.

Really though wouldnt scum rei claim anything else but the exact same thing. Think about it. Beast claims even cop and rei cc as the exact same thing. Doesn't it strike you as odd ? Look at what shitty situation it put him. As scum it the worst possible claim to make cause it too big of a coincidence. I cannot see why scum rei wouldnt claim some other kind of cop which would make it less of a coincidence or heck even something else entirly since in theory we cannot be sure we even have a cop.

Tell me how from scum POV it was optimal(or even sane) to cc a real even night cop with the exact same thing.

[Shiro]

@Axl I've wanted to lynch beast from yesterday. I do infact want to lynch him over Rei and I probably wont change my mind.

@Slander
Because why the face ? THat precisly what he is doing he went from even night cop to maybe even night gunsmith(supposdly waiting for clarification now) Are you seriosuly doubting that the pm would have not be explicite about being a gunsmith or a cop ? Or what he is founding people guilty of ?

[Shiro]

He didn't change his claim to gunsmith.

I am a pro-gunsmith btw.

I think I would be called a gunsmith if I were one though.

Also, if I got a guilty on reinoe and I am a gunsmith that means...THEY HAVE A FREAKING GUN! What COP has a gun in mafia? Gun = can kill.

I am 1 for 1 when I am a gunsmith so I am a pro. Gunsmith do see cops which was my mistake.

As soon as I get my clarification I will let you know.

[Shiro]

no.

[Shiro]

The mere fact he needs clarification as he said in the post right after is fishy

[Shiro]

Disprove what ? U just said scripten vote on cho looked like s bus aaaand.....how do I disprove that ? Scripten vote wasnt even directed at me.

U never claimed gs but u implied it might be possible thus the need for clarification from mod.

[Shiro]

its not multiball guys nero wins again

So we've got two vigs and a single scum faction? Or a single vig and the scum team has two nk's. That's your theory?

I think we might have one scum team with 3 nks mate. Seems more likely than multiball to me btw TSO was being sarcastic and so am I

btw rei all the things you listed are obviosly false. He isn't going to understand his resault from that stuff. Ouja board to consoult the prophets of old is the way to go.
Works evri tim.

[Shiro]

@Nero So you do not find Beast ambigius way weird ?

Also I did say He did't retract his claim and said he is gs BUT He did let it be implied that it might be possible when he said that he is going to ask the mod for clarification about his role cause he is not sure what he is finding people guilty of.

You are an experienced person right ? Tell me wouldn't a pm be specific about what your role does ?

Also I trust Rei over Beast. Rei claims to have a not mafia on Boon. We have a ww flip. Shocking I think we have mafia and ww instead of sk. Why would that be

[Shiro]

unvote:Beast

GM here take my spot on the wagon so when it comes to it and axl resees how BS beast is acting and votes him again someone is here with enough will to hammer him.

[Shiro]

Although gm I cannot see town intend from your actions. WTF u not only scum read beast but u said no matter fake or not u think lynching him first is better yet when it came to it twice u didnt pull the trigger.

Can u tell me why ?

[Shiro]

Cause honestly ? Your unwillingness to hammer him is the only thing so far in the game that made me doubt my scum read on him.

[Shiro]

My biggest disappointment is that GM didn't hammer. I know I said the same thing about Nero, but maybe she's scum? It's just a hunch.

That how I felt as well it made no sense. She pushed for his lynch, she said regardless who is faking beast lynch should take priority and is optimal yet twice she bloody negleted to hammer beast >.> Also most people on your wagon are probably mafia tbh. Look at it. Let alone that it was perfect for the team beast isnt on. Not only do they get rid of opposing enemy member but also rid of town cop + perfectly hiding behind the "oh we trusted wrong claim excuse" it just so freaking frustating right now

Also boon great fucking job >> all of my

[Shiro]

@Nero U see all this ^
This is why Axl is town.

Also since u wondered kinda everyone in the hood agreed to it so no specific person saying it.

@Axl Perhaps a positive resault at night 2

[Shiro]

@Flub Slandar-sempai says hi
@Josh hey u voted rei pretty fast last day and just parked there saying nothing. How comes ?

[Shiro]

@Flub Slandar-sempai says hi

＠Flub for someone paranoid about boon it make me curious how you missed slandar push on him AND failed to support it whatsoever. How comes ?

[Shiro]

I have a question if Boon is legit about his 2-shot BP what is the chance of him getting shot n3

I mean I know there is a chance the vigilante is even night or some shit but how high is the chance that someone shot boon n1 and n3 so they can kill him tommorow?

Also I cannot see Iz can someone explain please?

[Shiro]

And I mean other than slandar-senpai

[Shiro]

Also I cannot see Iz can someone explain please?

For me it's all wagon placement.
Do you actually town read him or are you just null?

I was townreading him yes although not as strongly as before.
The recent focus on him made me think and
I think there is a good chance that there is scum in my hood after all. GM made it quite apparent that she was pr there by saying how there is no way beast is flipping cop. I do not think it is a coincidence.

BTW U claimed 1 shot JK that used 1 shot up on her n1.

If say she got a move from you at n2, it would be quite inciminating

[Shiro]

I found your answer regarding Iz unclear - what is your current read on him?

still lean town just not as strong as before.

Would prefer other lynches.

[Shiro]

I would agree - but nothing present in thread supports that hypothesis, so...do you think we should debate something that has no evidence supporting it happened?

Do you see me debating that it is worth lynching you ? Do you see my vote being place on you screaming "guys lynch thor"? I believe the answer it is pretty self explanatory.

Also

vote:Josh

[Shiro]

You're the one who brought it up, not me.
Why bring it up if you had no belief in it and no desire to push it?
Serious question.

Cause you said there was no way for her to ever clear you.

Kinda didn't want to just leave it to that so I added the fact that she could have however found incriminating stuff after day 2 thus coninuing pushing you. It not something I want to push but a consideration since she parked her vote on you even though lynching you was impossible. So I expressed so.

[Shiro]

@Nero it is more along the lines I never saw anything as scummy thus lean town

As for what made me rethink I checked him out and realised he kind of stayed at the sidelines yesterday and although some say she made it apparent here as well I only realised she is investigating PR in our hood and that made me think that our hood has scum. Between Boon and Iz I think it would be Iz.

Regardless of all that I still leab town just weaker.

Josh(now pine) is best choice. I dont think we can go wrong there.

Would go for flub based on the fact he parked his vote yestersay alone. We were discussing cop claim,parking your vote and going MIA not the towniest thing. I also find his push on Thor now based on Muffin horrible.
Still prefer Josh lynch.

[Shiro]

Gosh I dunno flubb maybe getting the mafia so we dont waste a lynch and force a specific kill from scum ?

You do realise had we lynched beaast we would waste this day lynching rei and mafia would have had an extra kill because they wouldn't have been forced to kill beast.

For all we know both scum team could have shot beast and Gm is vig thus averting 2 deaths by getting it right.

Does this answer your question flub?

[Shiro]

Gosh I dunno flubb maybe getting the mafia so we dont waste a lynch and force a specific kill from scum ?

You do realise had we lynched beaast we would waste this day lynching rei and mafia would have had an extra kill because they wouldn't have been forced to kill beast.

For all we know both scum team could have shot beast and Gm is vig thus averting 2 deaths by getting it right.

Does this answer your question flub?

Yes. But why did you answer this now and not when it would have been useful?

Honestly ? I missed your post

[Shiro]

Random observation - Iz and Script don't look like buddies to me.
Discuss.

I do not remember any significant interaction between them to point anywhere. Why do you think so ?

[Shiro]

Have you ISOed Script and looked at his interactions with Iz?

......

eh...no xD I just went by memory xD I will do and get back to you

[Shiro]

@Drip I would say not muffin cause he is confirmed town....cause he is dead(or well mod killed) I think you missed that little fact

[Shiro]

Eh I am not against the flub lynch but isn't pine still better ?

I mean Pine seems to be wishing to let the spotlight shine away from him for some time now and we are kinda giving it to him

[Shiro]

With the clock being on us I dare say

unvote

VOTE:FLUB

And we have ourselves a L-1 still prefer Pine

@Thor if you haven't noticed I had Gamr as scum for reasons, Josh as scummy for reasons and Pine now seems scummy to me.

Sure taken alone Flub vs Pine may seem like Flub is worse but as a whole yea Pine is a much better lynch.

[Shiro]

I honestly do not get why Flub is not doing anything we are in a kind of serious point in the game and honestly I would expect a townie to do his best to defend himself right now, not vanish and go w/e

[Shiro]

Slandaar-senpai what was I doing wrong when I was pushing you D:


This being my first big game I had lots of fun dunno if it was a good game or not cause I lack experience but regardless it was fun glad I read anen message and replaced in xD