NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

goodmorning · Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:08 am

In post 4782, beastcharizard wrote:Thor is leaning town because of how Reinoe treats them. I don't see them being partners together.

OH GREAT I LOVE ASSOCIATIVES BEFORE FLIPS

THEY ARE MY FUCKING FAVOURITES

ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE BASED OFF A GUT READ

THAT IS JUST THE BEST

Hmmmmmm Thor + Scripten scumteam? Would explain Thor's unnecessary D1 townread of Scripten's 4-gut readslist.

goodmorning · Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:02 am

I have no idea and I don't think there's a lot of percentage in speculation. Why is that what you want to talk about rather than trying to scumhunt?

goodmorning · Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:32 am

In post 4811, beastcharizard wrote:You don't shut up about Thor

No,

I

don't shut up about Thor. This is because he's Scum who's outmaneuvered me twice now and

you're helping him do it again

.

goodmorning · Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:13 am

In post 4819, Slandaar wrote:GM lets be honest the Thor lynch isn't happening and is just becoming a HUGE distraction.

Would you like to vote Boonakins with me?

Thor lynch is definitely happening, though probably not today.

Boon could pretty easily be an SK, but I don't really care that much about lynching him at present.

I am, however, totally dtl beast.

In post 4820, beastcharizard wrote:I am even-night cop. Last night i inspected reinoe and got back a guilty.

I don't believe you. Why would a Cop post something like this:

In post 4808, beastcharizard wrote:Also, what do we speculate the setup is with that WW flip?
Are there games with only WWs in them?

In post 4812, beastcharizard wrote:Also, I am curious if we think this is a WW only game or if mafia is in it too. That is a legit question after the freaking WW flip. Your whole post was bad.

Do you know who Cops get guilties on? Mafia. Not Wolves. If you knew you had a guilty there would be no need to ask any questions, especially not the one I bolded and especially given that several people have said they find it slightly more likely to be multiball now.

goodmorning · Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:38 am

In post 4825, reinoe wrote:I'm the even night cop.

I don't believe you either, though if either of you is one it's definitely not beast.

In post 4828, beastcharizard wrote:GM, I didn't want to put myself by calling reinoe mafia so I tried to get someone else to say mafia was in the game first so I didn't look look like a cop.

Several people said they thought it looked multiball-ish. That typically implies Mafia, as Aliens aren't covered in the OP.

In post 4838, Shiro wrote:
In post 4830, T S O wrote:And I don't see anything reinoe has done which means he's gotta be removed.

Yea because beast has done so much the past 2 days

THIS

@TSO: reinoe has made more coherent points than I have this game. Vote beast.

goodmorning · Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:22 am

Eminently possible, given Thor's role.

goodmorning · Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:20 pm

Vote: Thor

goodmorning · Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:55 am

In post 4860, AxleGreaser wrote:@GM I know you claim not to be reading my posts, but if you (
actually are
<OMG maybe he lied too>) are there are questions I would like to ask you.

You can ask them. I may or may not answer depending on what they are.

I will say that, expanding/slightly altering your point

If beast is WW, and WW consensus last night was that Reinoe was in the mafia team, then if under pressure, WW faking red check on guessed scum Reinoe, would be ... cleverish? (not crack?)

If beast is Rolecop, and got an "Even-Night Cop" result on reinoe, it would be very smart play for him to claim first, especially given that he was/is about to be lynched.
Fake guilty on reinoe would be clever regardless given that reinoe has been fairly townread but this game is full of strange people whose opinions will turn on dimes.

In post 4867, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 4826, reinoe wrote:You'll all be happy to know that I got a not-mafia result on boonskies. Because that's how cops in multi-ball get results. Not in the forM of "guilty" "not guilty".

This post can literally only come from scum. Multiball can't be confirmed until a flip of mafia is seen. They know they are mafia so they know it is multiball.

COPS GET GUILTIES ON MAFIA. THERE IS A WEREWOLF FLIP.

WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

@Izariael: That's true, but in multiball games you 99.9999999999% of the time will get Mafia/Not Mafia, especially in a Normal.

goodmorning · Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:10 am

In post 4877, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4875, goodmorning wrote:COPS GET GUILTIES ON MAFIA. THERE IS A WEREWOLF FLIP.

WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

@Izariael: That's true, but in multiball games you 99.9999999999% of the time will get Mafia/Not Mafia, especially in a Normal.

You greatly exaggerate.

Cops can get guilties on wolves provided the pm is worded to accommodate all anti town factions turning up guilty.

Lets assume it's multiball as it most likely is. If we have a cop who only finds Mafia then he is a lot weaker than a cop who can find all anti-town factions the limited versions are very swingy as you can investigate a WW and get a 'Not Mafia' which just is terrible. It is much better to have a catch-all at least in my opinion - an even night one so he isn't too powerful? seems really good to me.

Typically even-night implies odd-night in site meta though not always.
As I've said, Cop implies Mafia-detecting-only in current site meta almost 100% of the time.
There are games that specifically use limited-investigative mechanics like this - Jungle Republic, for instance.

As I've said, I don't believe either of them.

In post 4894, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4740, goodmorning wrote:Oh, and also dave was obvtown so everyone really really needs to stop being in thor's cult of personality or joindate awe or hero worship or whatever the fuck it is.

this seems like a strange thing to say about your scumread.

It probably would be, if I'd been scumreading him.

Oh, you meant Thor? I don't know what else can explain people voting for the wagons he wants them to vote for and ignoring how 20000% scummy he is.

goodmorning · Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:34 am

In post 4897, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 4896, goodmorning wrote:As I've said, I don't believe either of them.

Then you have to believe both of us are scum in some fashion. Why would town lie in this situation?

Plenty of reasons, like stupid gambits etc. I'm quite certain you're Scum, at any rate, and that's enough for right now.

In post 4909, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4875, goodmorning wrote:
I will say that, expanding/slightly altering your point

If beast is WW, and WW consensus last night was that Reinoe was in the mafia team, then if under pressure, WW faking red check on guessed scum Reinoe, would be ... cleverish? (not crack?)

If
beast is Rolecop
, and got an "Even-Night Cop" result on reinoe, it would be very smart play for him to claim first, especially given that he was/is about to be lynched.

Fake guilty on reinoe would be clever regardless given that reinoe has been fairly townread but this game is full of strange people whose opinions will turn on dimes.

Just to clarify

If
beast's

is a

team has a

Rolecop
, and got an "Even-Night Cop" result on reinoe, it would be very smart play for him to claim first, especially given that he was/is about to be lynched.

That would be even better play.

Did you ask me those questions yet?

goodmorning · Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:07 am

In post 4914, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4911, goodmorning wrote:That would be even better play.

Yeah, because it is working so well.

He seems to have succeeded so far, got reinoe pushed up quite quickly even though he's been 20000% useless this game and therefore pretty utterly unbelievable.

Given that he's been a likely compromise lynch for a while (and likely would remain so) and this strategy both
1. brings him down with the possibility of someone (not his team) getting lynched first and
2. brings him down in a loud distracting way that doesn't out any of his teammates

I'd say it's excellent play.

@reinoe: Amished isn't even a good tell.

In post 4943, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4842, goodmorning wrote:Eminently possible, given Thor's role.

So what I'm doing is a bus then, yeah?

reinoe could be yours, you could be doing a bus, beast could be truthing (super incredible unlikely), probably other things I can't think of.

In post 4957, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4839, goodmorning wrote:I don't believe you either, though if either of you is one it's definitely not beast.

I think this should be expanded on.
Wow us GM.

I've said both of these sentences before:
beast has been utterly useless.
reinoe has made more good points this game than I have.

In post 4960, Thor665 wrote:Please describe why, as scum, he would claim a false result on you at a point where he didn't even really look to be in that much risk of being lynched and at a point in the game where any non-Werewolf faction (which, by definition you claim to know exists) would have just been given a leg up on the wolves, or, if he's a wolf, had just lost a member and was down on the scorecards.

The scum plan literally is 'I'mma screw over my slot to deal with the threat of Reinoe!'
And the only way that works is if he's a two shot role cop or something. I dunno, if they have daytalk maybe he's the chosen sacrifice - but, still - it's a sacrifice play. Why do you think he did it?

GM can try to field that one too from within her cloud of wonders.

Well, you can see my above response to Slandaar for this, but I think he was in much more danger of being today's lynch than you apparently do. Given that this Town is utterly shitty at everything, today would have been another lynch that was just ok, and the most just ok lynch is the lurker who contributed nothing.

@Iz: Well, technically it's possible to have two of a role in any given game (I had 2 Gunsmiths last time I modded a Large) but it's unlikely, and given the exclusive nature of the results they've claimed it's even less likely, and given that beast has done nothing...

ugh this game is why i don't larges

goodmorning · Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:21 pm

In post 5043, Thor665 wrote:You being town gives us confirmed BP town in Boonderp though - which is at least amusing as scum lose that easy as pie mislynch.

...nooooo, it would be confirmed not-Mafia Boon who could still be SK or WW or whatever.

@Axle: Have you asked me those questions yet?

goodmorning · Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:37 am

In post 5052, Thor665 wrote:
In post 5051, goodmorning wrote:...nooooo, it would be confirmed not-Mafia Boon who could still be SK or WW or whatever.

BP WW? Tell me more about how you think that makes sense.

Why assume he's telling the truth about being BP?

In post 5053, AxleGreaser wrote:have you stopped, pretending for effect, to be not reading my posts?

It's not impossible.

In post 5059, Slandaar wrote:
In post 5007, goodmorning wrote:he's been 20000% useless this game and therefore pretty utterly unbelievable.

What has him doing nothing till today got to do with the believability of his claim?

While effort is not indicative of alignment, doing

nothing at all

does not make one likely to be Town.

goodmorning · Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:25 pm

In post 5106, Boonskiies wrote:If Beast had known that Reinoe was an even night cop, of course he's going to go balls deep and try and mislynch him.
Especially if he thought that Reinoe was going to get a successful guilty on someone.
Beast probably thought he was going down today because of interest towards lynching him yesterDay, making it an even more obvious choice as scum toDay. Him 'losing the battle' is his way of one last hurrah to get a PR lynched. He's trying to get out of it now by doing whatever he's doing with the gunsmith thing.

This is the most rational thing Boon has said this game.

goodmorning · Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:02 pm

In post 5114, beastcharizard wrote:Not to mention, where does it state that there are only 3 people on a scum team? Just show me where it says that.

overly defensive response is overly defensive

goodmorning · Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:25 am

In post 5117, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5101, Flubbernugget wrote:Like I really don't wanna read any of this.

^

someone explain to me why I should doubt Beasts cop claim.

He's been really contradictory.
I mean, ISO me and reinoe and to some extent Axle for the basics on that, but that's the tl;dr.

This game is exhausting.

goodmorning · Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:13 am

In post 5157, Slandaar wrote:You have time to post that nonsense but not answer my question?

I see.

Who are you speaking to?

goodmorning · Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:08 pm

Where is Izariael? I want to talk to Izariael.

goodmorning · Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:14 pm

Spoiler: probably the best thing Axle has posted this game

In post 5183, beastcharizard wrote:I already made a post of whom I know is scum.

Reinoe, Goodmorning and AxleGreaser are all on the same team.

wow this analysis is so insightful

scum obvi like nothing better than to all agree with each other on big issues

goodmorning · Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:46 am

In post 5192, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4782, beastcharizard wrote:Thor is leaning town because of how Reinoe treats them. I don't see them being partners together.

and thus you claim know that Reinoe is in the only scum team? because you have ruled out Thor being scum on the other team

I agree that this looks like a scumslip of some sort.

In post 5199, Thor665 wrote:That's a pretty empty post.

@Iz - your vote isn't in play. Discuss why with me?

guys

guys

why is thor saying things i agree with????

goodmorning · Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:25 pm

It's not even that different from your question; we all know he's going to say he can't/won't answer it again.

goodmorning · Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:30 pm

In post 5225, Nero Cain wrote:I do not think he was. Like scum is a catchall for anything that is anti-town. I and several players use that. A werewolf faction is STILL a mafia faction 'cause its a scum faction. I could see Beast being non specific and calling you mafia.

...what.

a=c
b=c
a=b

is totally correct in math.
But this is not math.

WW=Scum
Mafia=Scum
Alien=Scum
Goo=Scum
WW=/=Mafia
WW=/=Alien
WW=/=Goo

and so forth.

Like, the kitchen is a room, and the bathroom is a room, but the kitchen is not the bathroom and what i am trying to say is

what the fuck

goodmorning · Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:40 pm

Because I like my vanity wagon. I'll get on the beast wagon when I'm good and ready.

goodmorning · Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:07 pm

In post 5247, beastcharizard wrote:Look at my change in claim. It makes no sense and is very illogical. You can't deny that I am Scum anymore.

FTFY

goodmorning · Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:58 am

Um, beast says he has a guilty on reinoe. reinoe does not claim to have a result on beast. beast's claim is flimsier than tissue paper. Shouldn't we lynch beast first?

In other news, Slandaar is incredibly ridiculous if he wants to call WWs Mafia.

goodmorning · Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:21 am

Lynching beast tells us more than lynching reinoe does. Lynching beast tells us about both beast and reinoe. Lynching reinoe only tells us about reinoe.

goodmorning · Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:59 am

In post 5265, Thor665 wrote:Are you advocating a Beast lynch just based on the info differential?

No, I'm advocating a beast lynch because his claim makes absolutely no sense. The info differential is just a nice bonus.

goodmorning · Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:59 am

In post 5275, Thor665 wrote:
In post 5273, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5255, Thor665 wrote:Beast's new claim is so bad he's kind of selling me.

Are you saying that you don't think scum would change their claim like that?

Yes.
Just as paranoia is a town tell, I find sturdy stubborness to be a scum tell.

I wish DGB were here to slap some sense into you.

goodmorning · Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:30 am

You pulled out a good game, TSO. I'm not even mad, Town deserved to lose after the dave lynch.

goodmorning · Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:59 am

In post 7159, Thor665 wrote:Town deserved to lose after a Day 2 lynch of town?
Followed by 4 scum lynches in a row?

dave was obvTown. Lynching obvTown in a multiball game is very very bad of Town.

I agree that lack of crosskills was the main reason Town DID lose. Reason Town DESERVED the loss is a bit of a different thing.

goodmorning · Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:12 pm

In post 7183, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 7178, goodmorning wrote:dave was obvTown. Lynching obvTown in a multiball game is very very bad of Town.

no offense to Dave but I'm a better player. Thor also has a point that a large number of town DID support his wagon.

Hmmmm for some reason I thought Flub was wagon#2 that day. Either way, dave lynch still sucked.

but muffins modkill SHOULD have ended the day.

I agree. Rule of thumb for modkills is that Day continues if Scum modkilled and ends if Town.

goodmorning · Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:37 pm

Thesp maybe?