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Post Post #4451 (isolation #200) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:01 am

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In post 4449, Shiro wrote:@Slandar-sempai I do not think anyone is interested in a Boon lynch today

What do u think of the current situation ?

Town is going to hit an iceberg any second but luckily I am a very good captain and will save the day. :]
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Post Post #4457 (isolation #201) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:50 am

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You got him Nero! High five!

Lets lynch Boon.
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Post Post #4460 (isolation #202) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:52 am

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In post 4455, AxleGreaser wrote:Errr you first?

Well thats a plan but my list was GM/GarmrDave/Nero

I am following the plan. I am voting Boon, his name is listed, I shall move votes if I have to tomorrow.
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Post Post #4463 (isolation #203) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:03 am

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I would love to debate which names should or shouldn't be on the list with you and everyone else but unfortunately time is short. It's so very very unfortunate I hate having to make the choice myself but I have made the executive decision. My list is the definitive version.
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Post Post #4468 (isolation #204) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:37 am

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I feel like giving Beast another day is wise.

If I had a lack of scumreads then, yes, lynching him is more appealing but that isn't the issue.
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Post Post #4471 (isolation #205) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:20 am

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In post 4469, beastcharizard wrote:I thought someone already hammered.

I will be caught up by day tomorrow for sure and then I can be useful. I promise.

Be useful today don't wait till tomorrow. Vote Boon.
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Post Post #4472 (isolation #206) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:22 am

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In post 4470, davesaz wrote:I get the feeling that Axle uses a triple standard for contradictions.
A really hair trigger one for people he's attacking, a who cares one for people he finds townish, and a gosh I never did that for ones he's accused of.

Dave are you voting one of the candidates for lynch today? or are you rebelling against the system because you are a cool kid?
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Post Post #4477 (isolation #207) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:50 am

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Current VC:

[3]
davesaz
: Thor665, Josh_B, Axle
[2]Boonskiies: Slandaar, The Fonz
[1]Josh_B: Scripten
[0]GM : No-one is currently voting for some reason.

Only 6 people are voting. Ridiculous.
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Post Post #4486 (isolation #208) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:55 am

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Hi Reinoe. Are you having a good day today? I hope you are. I am having a magnificent day myself. I think you should sheep me.
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Post Post #4488 (isolation #209) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:07 am

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Post Post #4489 (isolation #210) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:08 am

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In post 4487, davesaz wrote:I'm voting Thor.

Who?

I cannot see his name on the list of lynch candidates. Please move immediately.
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Post Post #4491 (isolation #211) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:12 am

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You don't need to plan; just do. Your Thor wagon is bad.
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Post Post #4494 (isolation #212) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:17 am

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Well I mean we could debate the merits of the claim; surely if he were scum he would claim full JK instead of 1-shot as 1-shot which has used it's shot is useless and really is no better than claiming VT.

Not a good survival tactic hm?
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Post Post #4500 (isolation #213) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:24 am

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In post 4496, Shiro wrote:Yea but we could debate he did so on purpuse so you will think it is not a good survival tactic making you think he is legit while infact he isnt.

More wine?

Who actually does that? no-one. It sounds good but in actual practice doesn't happen.
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Post Post #4581 (isolation #214) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:53 pm

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I know most of you don't want to have who you can and can't lynch dictated to you but the facts are this town cannot agree on anything. There is no organisation it's just chaos.

At this rate, Beast will be lynched. Think about that. I suggest we all follow the plan.

GM is now an invalid vote as the day has passed.

The only valid votes now are:
Dave
Josh
Boon

I am going to say in 12 hours will be the final 2 wagons. The smallest wagon of the three currently Josh will be invalid after that point.
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Post Post #4590 (isolation #215) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:07 am

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In post 4588, goodmorning wrote:WE ARE LYNCHING THOR

Thor you say?

Hrm, I don't think this is correct, let me check this with the official documentation about valid lynches for Day 2 in NY178...

OFFICIAL LYNCH CANDIDATES FOR NY178 D2

1. Boon
2. Dave
3. Josh
4. GM

No, I am sorry, I do not see his name on the list, you must be mistaken. Please note that due to circumstances GM is also no longer a valid choice. I know what you're thinking, you wanted to vote GM, I'm sorry about that but please do not vote yourself today :]
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Post Post #4591 (isolation #216) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:11 am

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In post 4582, Shiro wrote:Slander-sempai so is Boon. He isn't getting lynched.

Boonakins is a completely valid lynch at present. All Boonakin votes are legitimate.
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Post Post #4612 (isolation #217) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:08 pm

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VOTE: Dave

I'll be around tomorrow. This does technically mean the official lynch list is now: Dave/Josh although realistically it's just dave...
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Post Post #4638 (isolation #218) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:05 am

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Reinoe can you vote dave with me please?
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Post Post #4640 (isolation #219) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:08 am

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He's town?
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Post Post #4661 (isolation #220) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:04 am

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Reinoe can you respond to my very important question please.
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Post Post #4666 (isolation #221) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:11 am

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In post 4662, reinoe wrote:No, not voting dave.

Forget who it is and what you think of him.

Would you like to vote the same person I am?
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Post Post #4683 (isolation #222) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:56 am

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In post 4669, reinoe wrote:Sure if we agree on who's scum. That's not happening right now though.

Yes, this is the problem, no-one can agree on anything. Instead I am asking you to vote with me today. Lynching NC is just going to end badly.
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Post Post #4691 (isolation #223) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:18 am

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Yes, I have seen that, I am under the assumption he is going to vote someone and not just leave his vote nowhere though.

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Post Post #4710 (isolation #224) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:06 am

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In post 4706, beastcharizard wrote:I would like to request that if there is a vig they don't kill me. I haven't had a chance to do anything yet and I promise I will be awesome tomorrow.

I don't break promises.

I believe in you Beast.

Please can you vote Dave today.
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Post Post #4724 (isolation #225) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:37 am

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2 hours till deadline
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Post Post #4725 (isolation #226) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:41 am

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Yeah I am fairly sure that VC is right, I was 6th vote, Nero then Beast makes 8.

Dave is at L-1 then.
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Post Post #4727 (isolation #227) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:54 am

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You just gotta have faith Axle :]
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Post Post #4763 (isolation #228) » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:43 am

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In post 4757, T S O wrote:Nero is in my 4-man neighbourhood, and Scripten was in it too. Do you think there are 2 scum among 4?

This is terrible honestly.

Theoretically there could be 4 scum in the same hood.
In post 4742, Izariael wrote:Thor, given that Scripten was voting beast at end of day yesterday, why are you still pointing at beast? What about the night events points to beast as scum?

In post 4749, Izariael wrote:
Hence why I asked Thor if it was night events or resulta that made him think scum-beast. It's possible it wasn't based on Scripten's flip at all.

:]

I really don't think that is what you were asking. It reads like you were implying he shouldn't think Beast is scum due to the Script flip.

Anyways remember how Boon was like 'hey guys I saw this thing once hammer Thor!' and it turned out the thing he saw town actually did. Yeah....

VOTE: Boon
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Post Post #4790 (isolation #229) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:43 am

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In post 4769, T S O wrote:show me where this has ever happened

I can show 3 in a 5 man hood. They are very uncommon at least in my experience. That is literally the only 5 man hood I have seen bar this one from what I can recall.

Does this mean that I should be thinking there will be 3 scum in a 5 man hood TSO?

Axle worded it well.
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Post Post #4791 (isolation #230) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:46 am

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In post 4764, Boonskiies wrote:@Slandaar - still being too stubborn to read the rest of the posts in the conversation? Whatever, your tunnel vision, not mine.

No, I did read those posts.

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You unvoted!!!!! This is true. I don't see how it makes a difference though as I would expect you as scum to unvote also... I do think it was a genuine mistake. I do. I don't believe you make it as town.
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Post Post #4792 (isolation #231) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:08 am

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In post 4785, Boonskiies wrote:Also, Slandaar is creeping his way up for me. Scared you aren't going to be able to get rid of me because I'm bulletproof, huh?

According to GM scum would never try to lynch claimed PR's therefore I am confirmed town at this point.

Right GM???

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Post Post #4794 (isolation #232) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:14 am

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OK I will do that after you tell me why the N1 and N2 events affect anything in terms of Boons alignment?
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Post Post #4796 (isolation #233) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:41 am

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Shinobi;
Boon BP scum shot n1 by a vig. Seems plausible to me.
Boon BP scum shot n1 by opposing scum. This is just as plausible as town Boon being shot by scum.
Boon BP SK shot by scum or vig. Plausible too.
etc.

Even if he was shot n1 it doesn't mean anything in terms of his alignment.
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Post Post #4814 (isolation #234) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:08 am

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In post 4804, Izariael wrote:See? That wasn't so hard...

That was not an answer to your question. You asked me what I thought happened I was simply explaining to Shinobi If Boon is BP and was shot n1 then this has no relevance on his alignment.
In post 4804, Izariael wrote:
So your thought is that Boon was not lying about bulletproof, just his alignment. Do you think he lied about being X-Shot? 2-shot BP scum seems unusual...

I think he is probably telling the truth about being BP, yes, he might have lied about being 2 shot more likely 1 shot who claimed 2 shot in case he was shot n1.

I tell you what I will answer your terrible question and there better be a point to all of this.

I think there are too many possibilities which are all plausible especially n1 but also on n2 in other words I don't really have an opinion on what happened and thinking about it is a complete waste of time.

I suspect you have a most likely scenario about what happened though which somehow has some relevance to Boon's alignment?
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Post Post #4815 (isolation #235) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:24 am

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In post 4807, beastcharizard wrote:The Tier Shift kill makes complete sense from reinoe as well

It's very possible Tier wasn't the shot and he protected someone else especially considering he obviously didn't commute.

In post 4807, beastcharizard wrote:They asked someone who is TOWN, not scum.

I really love this. (serious - not sarcastic or anything else)
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Post Post #4817 (isolation #236) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:04 am

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Post Post #4819 (isolation #237) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:16 am

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GM lets be honest the Thor lynch isn't happening and is just becoming a HUGE distraction.

Would you like to vote Boonakins with me?
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Post Post #4821 (isolation #238) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:17 am

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Like we can have a repeat of D1 and D2 OR we could lynch Boon who is scum.

You decide.
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Post Post #4822 (isolation #239) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:18 am

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VOTE: Reinoe

I loved your point btw Beast.

I just felt bad if I voted Reinoe after yesterday... but now it's OK.
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Post Post #4827 (isolation #240) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:16 am

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There is no way Beast is scum here.

You are being lynched I am afraid Reinoe.
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Post Post #4876 (isolation #241) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:12 am

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In post 4868, reinoe wrote:What do you think about his "point" now Slandaar?

It's genius.

I don't think he even knows how good it is.

He asked 'who is town and who is scum?' to everyone. That is fine, no problem, he is in effect asking for a reads list from people.

You asked Flubber specifically;
Who is town?

Why you asked Flubber specifically doesn't matter but what are you asking him who is town for? what is the point to it? Why not ask him his scumreads? You then later made this a big deal when Flubber didn't respond by bolding it as if this was some super important question which has huge relevance. Guess what?

This is the response you got:
In post 3260, Flubbernugget wrote:Anyone that isn't a scum read of mine and isn't a lurker gets to be town for my sanity.

That was it. Question answered. That one line.

Guess you should have asked him who is scum if you actually wanted an answer to this very important question, hm?

Also, I just found this;
In post 3098, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 3078, reinoe wrote:
@Flubber
Who's town

Nero, teir, and maaaaaybe gm. everyone else that isn't scum is null.

In post 2264, Flubbernugget wrote:Egg is hard town for keeping up with the game, and for overall strong scumhunting.

Muffin is town for his scumhunting.

2 of his strongest Townreads (he only had 3 the other being GM who is now a maybe) vanish over the 800 posts it's possible but... It is some serious read changing. The whole thing of answering Reinoe twice in different ways as he did is bad though. Town generally just say they already answered etc.
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Post Post #4877 (isolation #242) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:23 am

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In post 4875, goodmorning wrote:COPS GET GUILTIES ON MAFIA. THERE IS A WEREWOLF FLIP.

WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

@Izariael: That's true, but in multiball games you 99.9999999999% of the time will get Mafia/Not Mafia, especially in a Normal.

You greatly exaggerate.

Cops can get guilties on wolves provided the pm is worded to accommodate all anti town factions turning up guilty.

Lets assume it's multiball as it most likely is. If we have a cop who only finds Mafia then he is a lot weaker than a cop who can find all anti-town factions the limited versions are very swingy as you can investigate a WW and get a 'Not Mafia' which just is terrible. It is much better to have a catch-all at least in my opinion - an even night one so he isn't too powerful? seems really good to me.
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Post Post #4878 (isolation #243) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:26 am

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Even night is also good in this sense because it gives the scum a couple chances to kill them.

A couple chances to kill an even night cop who only finds mafia? what? make him a 1-shot or odd night etc. Even night just makes the PR so weak.
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Post Post #4879 (isolation #244) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:37 am

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Because technically a Mafia/Not Mafia cop is half the strength of one which can find both Wolves and Mafia.

The role is already limited to a fair degree with the even night thing and having to avoid 3 night kills and 2 lynches to actually have a result. You cripple the role if you make it mafia/not mafia the Cop is rewarded for playing well. The scum are rewarded for finding the cop. It's good, it makes sense. Imagine the cop who only gets Mafia/Not and investigates a wolf after avoiding 6 nk's and 2 lynches/not claiming for 2 days.

Lynch Reinoe.
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Post Post #4883 (isolation #245) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:56 am

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In post 4880, reinoe wrote:a question he asked to everyone. Again you haven't refuted that point at all, you've just added a bunch of words.

It's a different question.

In post 4880, reinoe wrote:I asked thor who is scum. Remember? And guess what, I asked him a second time too in big bold letters. Again, why are you ignoring this? Oh yeah, I also asked nero and TSO questions about what Scripten talked about in the neighborhood in big bold letters. Do you think the significance is that I'd like answers or do you want to make up something out of thin air like you're doing now?

You asked Flubber a 3rd time.

Let's move to the conclusion though.

Flubber said 'anyone who isn't scum'

Why didn't you ask who he thinks is scum if you wanted an answer to your questions so badly you repeated it 3 times?

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Post Post #4884 (isolation #246) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:59 am

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In post 4880, reinoe wrote:Are you not paying attention? His EGG read is a joke because Egg was dead at the time and confirmed town. His Muffin stance is an addition to the previous read. Herp a derp are you even reading? Instead of conjuring up fantasy explanations why don't you just re-read everything.

Well that was off the cuff, maybe it was a joke, I was just getting the response to you from his ISO and noticed it.

It doesn't matter too much I can check it later the main point was the interaction with you obviously :]
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Post Post #4886 (isolation #247) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:05 am

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In post 4881, reinoe wrote:Or there's a similar odd-night role like...a seer or
another cop
or a gunsmith or jailkeeper...I could go on but some people don't need PR to win in a game of wits.

Yes, OK.

So, is an odd night seer balanced with an even night cop? nope odd>>>even. Gunsmith doesn't work as wolves don't use guns, right? jailkeeper is... Thor.

Enlarged text: :cool:

Wasn't your argument cops can only find mafia?
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Post Post #4888 (isolation #248) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:27 am

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An odd night cop to find mafia? You then need an odd and even night seer...

That is a lot of power.

Multiball generally doesn't have much from my experience (it's generally incredibly low power levels for town considering the numbers of scum)
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Post Post #4889 (isolation #249) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:29 am

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The reason that is so powerful btw is the 4 can confirm each other as town.
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Post Post #4890 (isolation #250) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:30 am

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So, you have 4 guys who can get results while also confirming each other as town. Way too much especially with Tier's role and then we have Thor and a vig presumably and that isn't even everyone claimed...
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Post Post #4912 (isolation #251) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:43 am

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In post 4901, AxleGreaser wrote:Townies are actually playing the game and looking for scum (well they are meant to be doing that as they signed up to play, and playing to wincon is meant to be a thing)
Townies can answer questions about what they were thinking and doing, because they were thinking and doing.
It may depending on the player be wrong, bad, or other things, but they were doing that.
Scum have to make stuff up.
That is risky, they naturally resist, and if they dont they get caught.
Catch 22.
Self awareness of that meta does not matter. (hence axles exception to Muffins law)

Yeah but this doesn't apply to multiball because scum can hunt scum legitimately. Which is why I don't like multiball as the game is completely different but I digress...
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Post Post #4913 (isolation #252) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:50 am

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In post 4908, Izariael wrote:Perhaps it was poor phrasing of the original question

Perhaps.

So, you have my answer and we will go along with Boon's alignment not being important. What have you gained from my answer? what were you looking for? what do you think happened during the nights?
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Post Post #4914 (isolation #253) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:57 am

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In post 4911, goodmorning wrote:That would be even better play.

Yeah, because it is working so well.

Do you realize the good play from Beastscum would have been to just... read the thread and start posting? which he has done to some degree. I know, mind blown, that is just insane, good play is to kamikaze someone.
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Post Post #4916 (isolation #254) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:55 am

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It depends on the individual. I think someone who, as town, doesn't do much/like to do much scumhunting then they won't do much as scum in multiball. Conversely someone who likes scumhunting as town/does a lot will do it a lot as scum in multiball.
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Post Post #4917 (isolation #255) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:56 am

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(in otherwords I don't think the amount someone scumhunts is relevant to anything in multiball)
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Post Post #4938 (isolation #256) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:49 am

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In post 4922, AxleGreaser wrote:yes good play for me in that situation would have been to just play. I am pretty sure i could have got enough done to achieve wait and see status. However did beast think that Beast could just play and get out of the problem?

Personally I didn't think he was in much of a problem. The problem was lack of participation if he caught up and started posting then issue resolved and his content is what will be assessed. Whether he felt the same as me is obviously hard(impossible) to know but I really don't think he was in a bad situation. His play as scum is very kamikaze which just seems bad to me.
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If beast is WW(who are now one behind scum in MB), and he thinks reinoe is mafiascum, then fake claiming a red check to get the lynch could be a pretty sweet outcome(if hes right about reinoe).

Well, it could end wellish, the issue being that if this were the case he paints a target on his back for N4 when he gets his second 'result' so even in this situation the chances are that he dies. This of course ignores that if Reinoe is town he dies.

His survival in both situations seems bad honestly and I don't see scum doing that. Sure there are situations he can survive N4 but they are very situational (such as a doc protecting him etc) But then scum can shoot him tonight as they will need to kill him anyways etc etc.
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Post Post #4939 (isolation #257) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:01 am

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Beast is awesome.

Lynch Reinoe.
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Post Post #4940 (isolation #258) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:07 am

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In post 4931, reinoe wrote:So you misrepped the Amished tell, but not only that you tried to misrep the person who coined the phrase. It's right there.

Get out of here.

There is nothing scummy about saying your predecessor did nothing when they did nothing. He didn't criticize his predecessor as the word is meant in the quotes you are using. Saying they did nothing is not a criticism in terms of alignment which is how the Amished tell is applied.
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Post Post #4941 (isolation #259) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:09 am

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In post 4933, Izariael wrote:I do think there were only 2 kill shots made on night 1, while 3 were made on night 2.

You.

I will see you tomorrow.
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Post Post #4954 (isolation #260) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:00 am

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In post 4949, reinoe wrote:But my result plus the events of n2 clarified things for me. Three kills+"not mafia" result suggests it's not Sk+scum. Because BP werewolf defeats the purpose of cross-kills.

I kind of understand what you are saying.

So, you think that the 3 kills and your result of not mafia on Boon means that he isn't an SK. This is because a BP WW would defeat the purpose of crosskills. Leading on from there then, if the later statement is true 'BP WW would defeat the purpose of crosskills' then this is true for MAFIA also.

Therefore you would not investigate someone who you believe is not going to be mafia when the results are given as mafia/not mafia.

:cool:

(important post all should read)
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Post Post #5059 (isolation #261) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:43 am

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In post 4955, Thor665 wrote:@Slandaar - I'm reading that and I don't think it's as clever as you seem to think it is - he would have done the investigation prior to knowing about the three kills - so how is that any sort of catch?

Yes, OK, I see.

It still requires him to think there is a high probability the game is singlescum/vig which seems ... unlikely to say the least.
In post 4956, Thor665 wrote:
If Reinoe flips scum would you help me lulz lynch GM immediately thereafter?

Yes.
In post 5007, goodmorning wrote:he's been 20000% useless this game and therefore pretty utterly unbelievable.

What has him doing nothing till today got to do with the believability of his claim?
In post 5052, Thor665 wrote:BP WW?

Uh... why not?
In post 5050, reinoe wrote:Slandaar has been chainsaw defending Beast's claim and even inferring arguments that beast made that beast has never actually made.

Some people call it chainsawing some people call it helping the cop lynch their guilty result.

:]
(technically it wouldn't be a chainsaw anyways)

He made said argument he just didn't explain it aswell as I did.
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Post Post #5060 (isolation #262) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:48 am

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Beast is town because his play makes sense it's a bit derpish but it does make sense. He came into today made a bunch of arguments on Reinoe, didn't work, so he claimed.

His claim makes sense, the story makes sense, the whole 'Oh he's a rolecop!' is terrible. Reinoe clearly claimed the same as Beast to try to get that angle it's obvious because he didn't immediately accuse him of being/having a rolecop to instill in others this idea. When you think you think of something you believe it more.
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Post Post #5061 (isolation #263) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:51 am

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In post 4841, reinoe wrote:Beast is a rolecop guys.

Reinoe GETS FOUR VOTES before saying this.

Get it? Reread. Seriously.
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Post Post #5076 (isolation #264) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:00 am

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Lets be real.

For Reinoe to be town:
Beast or his team must have a rolecop and investigated Reinoe N1/N2.
Beast was either told to or decided to fake a guilty on Reinoe on discovery of his role.
Beast and/or his team decided his life was in such a perilous position that sacrificing Beast to Lynch Reinoe is good play instead of just ... shooting Reinoe tonight?

Points against Reinoe:
Reinoe had not crumbed his result or even hinted it. He even delayed (by 4 mins) his result after he claimed.
Reinoe entered today with the old 'Oh there is a WW flips let's look for interactions' which is a scumtell in itself.
He delayed the mention of Rolecop.

Points against Beast:
Well... uh... He hasn't been very active until today.
Hasn't completely clarified how his role works although I assume this will be clarified when he receives a mod response to his question.

Points for Beast:
Came into the day with an agenda: to lynch Reinoe
This is a form of crumbing. His result is clear.
Was 'losing the battle' so claimed his result.

:]
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Post Post #5077 (isolation #265) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:02 am

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In post 5071, goodmorning wrote:While effort is not indicative of alignment, doing nothing at all does not make one likely to be Town.

While true I don't think it makes the chance of him being scum incredibly high either.

He was slightly below the nullish line but nothing too bad.
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Post Post #5078 (isolation #266) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:04 am

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In post 5072, Flubbernugget wrote:What's the point in all the excess discussion when both are as good as dead?

Flub I have a secret to tell you.

We're going for the longest D3 ever.

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Post Post #5079 (isolation #267) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:08 am

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Also Beasts super duper PR lurking strategy while kind of derpy makes sense from town. You might think it's bad but it does completely make sense.
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Post Post #5089 (isolation #268) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:54 am

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In post 5080, Shiro wrote:How exactly does it make sense ? It makes him the perfect vig target, let alone a good lynch bait in case a compromise needed to be made

He basically begged not to be vigged yesterday.

It's paranoia. Irrational but that is why he did what he did.
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Post Post #5090 (isolation #269) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:00 am

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In post 5082, reinoe wrote:Slandaar completely ignoring the "points for reinoe" section is indicative of him approaching this fairly in his analysis?

I would argue the points against Beast are technically in favor of you. I just had the added section for Beast because I wanted to put how his play completely makes sense but it didn't fit in the against bit so added the additional section.

What did I miss do you think?
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Post Post #5091 (isolation #270) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:03 am

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In post 5088, reinoe wrote:Yeah I sure did. Because I could not figure out how it was possible for us to have the same role.

I think when someone claims a guilty result on you then you don't need to think about how it is possible to have the same role as them.
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Post Post #5093 (isolation #271) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:09 am

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In post 5088, reinoe wrote:Yep it's so clear that everyone has to constantly ask him for how his result works. He's probably been pm'ing the mod for a proper fake-claim but he can't get one so he's stalling.

Guilty on you.

That is the result. The result is clear.

How it works is a different thing. Which we had in the against column but I am fairly sure it will be clarified.
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Post Post #5094 (isolation #272) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:10 am

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In post 5092, Shiro wrote:As scum it the worst possible claim to make cause it too big of a coincidence.

What else is he going to claim?
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Post Post #5096 (isolation #273) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:21 am

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In post 5092, Shiro wrote:Look at what shitty situation it put him. As scum it the worst possible claim to make cause it too big of a coincidence. I cannot see why scum rei wouldnt claim some other kind of cop which would make it less of a coincidence or heck even something else entirly since in theory we cannot be sure we even have a cop.

Tell me how from scum POV it was optimal(or even sane) to cc a real even night cop with the exact same thing.

I think you seem to forget as scum he had a legitimate cop guilty on him.

This means he was in a 1v1.

He could claim VT, but then he gets lynched. He could claim full cop. Then he has to post more fake results and it's the same situation as now. He could claim odd cop but it's still the same as claiming Even. Even instills the idea Beast is a rolecop that is the whole point it's a kind of gambit because he was in a 1v1.

I defend this by saying the fact he didn't bring up the rolecop until he got votes (the timing is important) shows he was trying to nudge people toward the idea of Beast being a rolecop without saying but decided to say it when he got so many votes so quickly.

I don't see any other claim as better or worse in his position. (Well Miller is worse...)
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Post Post #5097 (isolation #274) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:35 am

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OK

Reinoe you said:
BP should have claimed miller

Get the response:
Also claiming miller after a cop guilty should never work.

You reply:
Well to be fair this town is completely inept, plus if he claimed AFTER Aegor said "I'm not cop" it might have saved him.

I think you realized it was a bad idea.
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Post Post #5132 (isolation #275) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:07 am

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Firstly allow me to offer my actual reaction to this post:
:lol:

Anyways to try to tackle this in a serious manner;
In post 5109, reinoe wrote:SLANDAAR is making a gigantic fuss about getting a result four minutes after I posted my role.

Well I mentioned it once, gigantic fuss = pointed out once? Hrm.

In post 5109, reinoe wrote:
Four minutes=probably fake in slandaar's world but...well I've lost track of how many days it's been since Beast has fake claimed. It's been like a week.

It is obviously different scenarios. I just find it strange you didn't claim your result with your actual claim and had the delay there.
In post 5109, reinoe wrote:
And remember, I have a job. I had to place customer on hold, check my phone, check my pm, and post results while typing on a phone, and did this all while a customer was on hold.

Oh I didn't realize you had a job this changes everything!!!!! So, this poor customer needed you but you were like 'Look customer, I have to post on my forum because it's vitally important otherwise this guy called Slandaar will know I am scum!!!! Please hold for a few minutes!'

In response the customer replied 'Well ok sir, I shall wait while you post on your forum for you to deal with my request!!!!!'

In post 5109, reinoe wrote:
And he's also making a big deal about how I didn't post results until "a wagon formed". He's doing this while ignoring...

Untrue, this is regarding the rolecop stuff not about posting results.

In post 5109, reinoe wrote:
1)Beast claimed his role while getting wagoned and was in a much more dire situation...

Well, he wasn't in that bad a situation at all. As has been said he had posted prior to any real pressure you are scum - his time of claim makes complete sense his claim makes complete sense from town.
In post 5109, reinoe wrote:
2)I was flashwagoned, as in I got a bunch of votes very quickly.

Yeah.

You have a cop guilty claimed on you that is kinda expected to happen???
In post 5109, reinoe wrote:
Slandaar is literally taking me to task for having a job. Not everyone can live in their mom's basement unemployed you fucking loser.

:cry: Reinoe you hurt my feelings I may be unemployed and living in my mom's basement but I am NOT a loser!!!!

Really though this post. This post...
(posted from work :] )
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Post Post #5133 (isolation #276) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:38 am

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In post 5101, Flubbernugget wrote:Like I really don't wanna read any of this.

Come on Flubsy we need you. Help us to inflate the post count!
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Post Post #5134 (isolation #277) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:42 am

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In post 5106, Boonskiies wrote:He's trying to get out of it now by doing whatever he's doing with the gunsmith thing.

:neutral:
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Post Post #5137 (isolation #278) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:16 am

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He didn't change his claim to gunsmith.
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Post Post #5142 (isolation #279) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:07 am

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Beast clearly says

'I think I would be called a gunsmith if I were one though.'

Which can be translated to:
I am not a gunsmith. I am not claiming Gunsmith, this is all hypothetical.
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Post Post #5143 (isolation #280) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:10 am

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In post 5141, reinoe wrote:But then wouldn't his results be "town/not town"? And why didn't he ask about werewolves? That's been one of the questions posed to him.

When should he have asked about werewolves?
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Post Post #5147 (isolation #281) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:08 am

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In post 5144, Shiro wrote:The mere fact he needs clarification as he said in the post right after is fishy

That part of the post is not referring to anything to do with gunsmiths. Sure it's in the same post but he isn't saying that in terms of clarifying a gunsmith role.
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Post Post #5148 (isolation #282) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:08 am

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Reinoe, are you busy with more customers again?
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Post Post #5150 (isolation #283) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:13 am

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In post 5041, Thor665 wrote:
You are clearly the opposite of a pro-Gunsmith, because everyone knows that Gunsmiths get positive results on Cops as well as Mafia - that's how that role works.

In post 5045, beastcharizard wrote:I am 1 for 1 when I am a gunsmith so I am a pro. Gunsmith do see cops which was my mistake.

In post 5041, Thor665 wrote:
I'm still waiting for your clarification from the mod.
I need to know what this theoretical "guilty" equates to.

In post 5045, beastcharizard wrote:
As soon as I get my clarification I will let you know.

There you go. That is how that conversation went. It's completely fine Beast didn't format his post well that is all this issue is.
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Post Post #5151 (isolation #284) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:16 am

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Alright I have to work now. Hopefully Reinoe will stop playing shop's with his sister for five minutes so he can respond to my question.
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Post Post #5157 (isolation #285) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:28 am

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You have time to post that nonsense but not answer my question?

I see.
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Post Post #5165 (isolation #286) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:43 am

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In post 5162, goodmorning wrote:
In post 5157, Slandaar wrote:You have time to post that nonsense but not answer my question?

I see.

Who are you speaking to?

Reinoe - the post above yours sorry if it wasn't clear.
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Post Post #5194 (isolation #287) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:35 pm

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It doesn't.

Beast did you get clarification from the mod?
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Post Post #5195 (isolation #288) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:05 am

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While I think about it;
I think scum are very likely to do two things in a situation like this.
1. Bus
2. Go quiet

1 and 2 can happen in unison. Obviously need flips first but that will happen. I tend to think 2 is more likely than 1 but still 2 and 1 together seems like a good place to find scum.
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Post Post #5203 (isolation #289) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:23 am

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In post 5091, Slandaar wrote:
In post 5088, reinoe wrote:Yeah I sure did. Because I could not figure out how it was possible for us to have the same role.

I think when someone claims a guilty result on you then you don't need to think about how it is possible to have the same role as them.

I feel this amazing point got lost in the wilderness so allow me to highlight it by reposting.
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Post Post #5253 (isolation #290) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:09 am

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In post 5229, goodmorning wrote:
Like, the kitchen is a room, and the bathroom is a room, but the kitchen is not the bathroom and what i am trying to say is
what the fuck

In theory you are right but in practice you are wrong and Practice > Theory.

Mafia can be used as a catch-all term. If you have Team Mafia A and Team Mafia B and say 'the Mafia' you are referring to both teams. It's a bit different with Wolves here but wolves are still scum and scum are usually (a huge % of the time in normals) mafia. Combined with the preconceived notion which someone brought up that cop's find mafia and seer's find wolves and you can understand Beast using the term mafia while claiming cop and unsure of how his role works -> Cop + Usually Mafia.
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Post Post #5254 (isolation #291) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:13 am

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Beast's new claim :]

Still think he's town but, whatever, I am sure we will see shortly.
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Post Post #5260 (isolation #292) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:27 am

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@ REINOE

In post 5090, Slandaar wrote:
What did I miss do you think?

In post 5143, Slandaar wrote:
In post 5141, reinoe wrote:But then wouldn't his results be "town/not town"? And why didn't he ask about werewolves? That's been one of the questions posed to him.

When should he have asked about werewolves?

This enlarge the unanswered question game is kinda fun...
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Post Post #5264 (isolation #293) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:04 am

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That is true for all cop claims with guilties but you don't (I assume) lynch the cop first every-time do you?

Besides, what does it say about Reinoe when Beast flips non-rolecop scum? Not a lot in actual fact.
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Post Post #5266 (isolation #294) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:05 am

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And also if Reinoe flips town it tells us about Beast so uh... what?
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Post Post #5325 (isolation #295) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:16 am

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Izariael I believe Reinoe asked you a question a while back which you failed to answer. He also forgot to make it big and bold like he did with the other questions people didn't answer.

:]

Please do so as I ignored responding to it myself in anticipation of your response.
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Post Post #5344 (isolation #296) » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:03 am

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Valiant effort Reinoe.

VOTE: BoonBoon
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Post Post #5346 (isolation #297) » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:47 am

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He acted like a PR? He is very likely telling the truth about BP. It's just something to do to try and look town and there wasn't any risk involved.
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Post Post #5347 (isolation #298) » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:05 am

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While I remember

GM:
In post 5336, Shiro wrote:Also most people on your wagon are probably mafia tbh

Use of mafia to mean scum.

Ridiculous indeed. :cool:
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Post Post #5356 (isolation #299) » Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:17 am

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Wrong team.
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Post Post #5371 (isolation #300) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:02 am

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The only thing that does suggest she had a result is she was voting him yesterday over everyone else (Beast/Reinoe) as if to make a point. It's not enough though if we consider how she was tunnelling him the whole game anyway so it's not unreasonable to assume it was just a continuation of this.

Axle in terms of Boon I think you are giving him too much credit for thinking through his actions.

I don't really know what you mean by what the other team knows... if Boon claims PR and then BP what do they know? The BP claim is legit?

There is no way for them to decipher if that is a town, SK or scum claim. IF they had no PR's then yes, there is something in that, but evidently this isn't the case. Take for example the mafia with their Even night RB and compare to 1shot BP? seems fine to me but at the same time it could be a town PR there is no way to know. Obviously its also possible they have both of those PR's and wolves have 2 PR's and again there wouldn't be a way to know if the claim was Town/Scum/SK.
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Post Post #5373 (isolation #301) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:32 am

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No-one is debating GM's stance on Thor.

Did she have a result which implicates him or was it purely a read? I am not just going to assume because she was a town PR she was right.

I think it is very likely she did not have a result on D2 due to Thor's claim, I believe even as scum Thor would have RB'ed her n1 and claimed his target honestly when he did. So, we have 2 days of GM tunnel where it is very likely she had no result. Even when she tunnels the 3rd day at this point as I have said you can't just say she must have had a result when it can easily just be a continuation of the tunnel.
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Post Post #5374 (isolation #302) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:34 am

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If you want to paraphrase what was said in the hood if you think something there implies she had a result then that would be useful.
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Post Post #5381 (isolation #303) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:50 am

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In post 5375, AxleGreaser wrote:I think you are claiming that asymmetric scum teams

This is pretty standard.

I have never seen otherwise on MS except maybe no PR vs no PR but I can't remember seeing that either.
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Post Post #5382 (isolation #304) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:53 am

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(I assume the reason for this is because it prevents what you are saying that scum PR cannot claim without the other team knowing they are scum)
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Post Post #5383 (isolation #305) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:57 am

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In post 5378, AxleGreaser wrote:
Reinoe was not retrospectively lynched the previous day. k thx.

Calm Axle. Calm and composed.
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Post Post #5384 (isolation #306) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:59 am

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In post 5380, Flubbernugget wrote:Also I don't see any evidence that Thor didn't fakeclaim.

I don't see any evidence that he did fakeclaim.

We can all do that. I have looked earlier to see if GM ever called his claim fake and she didn't maybe she used a different word but what I saw she never argued his claim. This indicates she was RB'ed n1.
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Post Post #5385 (isolation #307) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:01 am

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In post 5379, AxleGreaser wrote:Someone else probably RB'd GM N2

That does fit with Reinoe being even night. It actually makes a lot of sense if they had a feeling GM was a PR because then it kind of sets up Thor too (who is obviously wolf/town not mafia)
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Post Post #5409 (isolation #308) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:27 am

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In post 5401, Shiro wrote:@Flub Slandar-sempai says hi

:]
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Post Post #5444 (isolation #309) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:45 am

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In post 5433, Boonskiies wrote:Also, claiming BP as scum would have been stupid on my part.

Why?
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Post Post #5451 (isolation #310) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:20 pm

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In post 5444, Slandaar wrote:
In post 5433, Boonskiies wrote:Also, claiming BP as scum would have been stupid on my part.

Why?

Boonsie?
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Post Post #5467 (isolation #311) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:33 am

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In post 5453, Boonskiies wrote:@sland - everytime I see a BP claim, I usually see them get lynched.

So, then, it would be rather silly to claim BP as town wouldn't it?
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Post Post #5481 (isolation #312) » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:26 am

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Activity has decreased a lot... Josh hasn't posted in forever, Izariael has proddodged, Shiro has done nothing today, TSO hardly exists.

The two most active players currently are both town and trying to lynch each other... ughh.

I have no idea how we lynched Reinoe over Beast yesterday, Thor switched team using some magical logic, Boon then hammered from nowhere based on actually a very good argument which he had come across only very late in the day (coincidental timing) Flubber and Josh voted him and sat there doing nothing, they are both good lynches based on this alone.

Scum;
Boon
Iz
Flubber
Josh

Maybe Shiro as an outside chance but lynching any of the first 4 today is going to be a good lynch.
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Post Post #5505 (isolation #313) » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:12 am

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In post 5498, Thor665 wrote:This has become a mild pet-peeve scumtell for me.
Do me a favor and show me a link to you, as town, typing out frustration sound effects please.

I vocalize this sort of thing all the time...

Bout half way down the post
That is the last multiball game I played before this one.

Pretty clear
The multiball game prior to the above.

It could well be a multiball towntell for me :]
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Post Post #5506 (isolation #314) » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:13 am

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In post 5482, Flubbernugget wrote:Are you sure axle is town

I am sure.
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Post Post #5509 (isolation #315) » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:33 am

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In post 4793, Izariael wrote:Slandaar, if Boon is scum, could you walk me through your interpretation of night 1 and night 2 events? Also, how do his day 1 softclaims play into this? Is it a gambit?

In post 4794, Slandaar wrote:OK I will do that after you tell me why the N1 and N2 events affect anything in terms of Boons alignment?

So, to me it's evident that the question Iz asks here has no real scumhunting purpose. Which is why I respond in this way. It is clear this questioning won't go anywhere so I flip it onto him.

Long story short IZ eventually explains the purpose and his thoughts on the night events.
In post 4933, Izariael wrote:I was looking for some insight on what you felt were the events of night 1/2. Obviously scum-Boon would need to fit in there somewhere, so I was curious to see how your speculation differed from mine and if it was having any bearing on your read of him.

Personally, I think Boon likely wasn't shot on night one.

Clearly Iz's speculation fits with my read on Boon absolutely fine. Iz's speculation does not in anyway indicate Boon isn't scum.

Look at his initial question again. Why ask it when you think the above? there isn't a point. There is no point.
In post 4933, Izariael wrote:where we have two scumteams that are smaller in numbers but balanced power-wise (possibly asymmetrical scumteams since werewolf flip was a goon)

This is just. Well. It's something. Speculating on asymmetrical scumteams because wolf was a goon? That makes no sense at all.

A brief case on Iz which I had wanted to post for a while.

VOTE: Iz

I lend you my support Nero the Hero! :]
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Post Post #5547 (isolation #316) » Sun Dec 21, 2014 4:27 am

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In post 5524, Boonskiies wrote:@Slandaar - I feel Iz talks in a way that he knows more than we do.

The asymmetrical scumteam stuff smells a bit like this, yes.
In post 5540, Shiro wrote:he kind of stayed at the sidelines yesterday

Yes, somewhat, as I recall he mostly was arguing with me.

Here is an extract from one of his posts where he is being useful;
In post 4933, Izariael wrote:For claimed PRs, we have the following:

2-shot bulletproof (claimed; Boon)
1-shot jailkeeper (claimed; Thor)
Even-night cop (claimed by both beast and reinoe)

I doubt all of the above claims are town (and certainly one between beast/reinoe is lying, right?)

It's just pointless noise.
In post 5545, Shiro wrote:Does this answer your question flub?

:]
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Post Post #5564 (isolation #317) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:47 am

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Look, Thor, the reason my activity is lower than normal is because I have this customer to deal with as I have a job!!! I have a jobbbbbbbbbbb!!!!!!!!!

I have been told I am good at impersonating people. (That was my Reinoe impression)

I just don't have the time I normally do due to, yes, Christmas.

Wagons are good, probably should extend/suspend deadline for a couple days over Christmas. TSO must be due replacement, Iz must be due something too, Pineage needs to post something of worth.
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Post Post #5589 (isolation #318) » Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:33 am

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In post 5571, Thor665 wrote:What is your current read on those three slots?

Do you really need me to answer this?
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Post Post #5596 (isolation #319) » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:35 am

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In post 5591, Thor665 wrote:Yes.

T/S/S in that order.

I assume you have obtained something useful from this?
In post 5591, Thor665 wrote:
Also, your opinion on my Iz = not Wolf thing would be nice as well.

They can be buddies; Scripts lack of vote can easily be distancing. That said I linked Iz to Reinoe yesterday and I do expect that connection to prove correct.
In post 5591, Thor665 wrote:
Your connection to the game is starting to feel very tenuous. I do not like it.

My connection to the game doesn't really exist currently as I don't have the time. I have tried to keep somewhat active though. Dislike it, but what has it got to do with anything?
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Post Post #5627 (isolation #320) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:54 am

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In post 5598, Thor665 wrote:Oh dear gawd, I'm sorry - is asking you to express your reads troublesome? Very shocking, so sorry - didn't realize that was a faux pas in the game of mafia...which is...y'know, based on reads. Crazy talk, just me, sorry.

Well as long as you are sorry for asking then that's OK. I forgive you for asking an already answered question.
In post 5598, Thor665 wrote:
Why do you scum read Pine?

Garmr had a contradiction in his mentality where he was acting survivalistic but then decided to act like he isn't.
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Post Post #5709 (isolation #321) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:24 pm

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I will have time from tomorrow onwards again...
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Post Post #5764 (isolation #322) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:01 am

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In post 5598, Thor665 wrote:Well...it has to do with the game - another crazy thought. Why the hell is that remotely unexpected to you? Of *course* I don't like it when someone playing the game is disconnected from it - derp?

It's not like I had been quiet the previous X days I was in the game. If you felt it had anything to do with alignment you should have waited until the Christmas period ended and seen how I acted then. It's 'unexpected' because it has no purpose and timed badly, what is it you find suspicious about these circumstances?
In post 5628, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 5627, Slandaar wrote:Garmr had a contradiction in his mentality where he was acting survivalistic but then decided to act like he isn't.


That's really not super convincing.

I find it convincing.
In post 5629, Thor665 wrote:What was that? I don't recall it at all.
Apologies in advance for asking you something that (maybe?) you already stated.

You will also need to apologize to Axle for not reading all his posts too Thorsie as he was the one originally to point it out :]


In post 5644, DrippingGoofball wrote:Fluber's thoughts seem honest.

That's really not super convincing. :cool:

So, DGB, why do you think Pine and Flubber are scum?
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Post Post #5766 (isolation #323) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:19 am

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Who have we completely eliminated based on dead scum interactions?
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Post Post #5840 (isolation #324) » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:11 am

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In post 5769, Thor665 wrote:Show me where I called it suspicious and I'll answer.

What's your take on the current Pine push?

If you don't find it suspicious why are you pestering me specifically about it?

I find the Pine push to be fine. What were you looking for?
In post 5770, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 5766, Slandaar wrote:Who have we completely eliminated based on dead scum interactions?


Read my posts?

I just wanted you to restate for clarification but OK.

So, we have by POE eliminated NC;
In post 5765, DrippingGoofball wrote:A combination of Scumputer & it's not Nero
& POE, eliminating some candidates based on the dead scum's interactions.

Scumputer doesn't mean anything; you are going to need to explain.
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Post Post #5856 (isolation #325) » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:09 am

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In post 5851, Thor665 wrote:Actually I really wasn't - you're the one who has turned it into a conversation topic due to how prickly you got about it. I find the prickliness strange and was content to explore it.

I found it suspicious you were making an argument against me due to my activity drop. If you did not find it suspicious what was the point saying it in the first place?
In post 5851, Thor665 wrote:
So you now admit that you have been prickly and defensive about something I never called scummy?
Why is that?

Call it what you want but actually I was exploring your terrible accusation against me which turns out as you claim not to be an accusation but simply a passing comment posted in a misleading way for no real purpose.

You are very manipulative the way you twist things. I don't like it.
In post 5851, Thor665 wrote:I was hoping for thoughts on whether you consider him scum, and who on his wagon you considered scum almost regardless of him being or not being scum - because they're probably there.

Y'know - looking for you to play the game now that Christmas has passed?

Do you have no thoughts at all besides 'fine'?

Not really.

It is a fine wagon. There is no point worrying about who is voting who in multiball. My reads are easily found if you want to see who I think is scum voting him.
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Post Post #5857 (isolation #326) » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:14 am

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Deadline in 17 hours

To be honest I didn't really read last couple pages but will do that in a bit.
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Post Post #5925 (isolation #327) » Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:14 am

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I will claim after Pine.

Pine/Thor/Boon. Pine maf, Thor, Boon wolf.

Seems really good.
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Post Post #5926 (isolation #328) » Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:21 am

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In post 5920, T S O wrote:
DGB felt Pine was Mafia and and Flubber was a Wolf - trying to decide whether she was wrong on Pine being scum or simply got their alignments the wrong way around.

Or she just got Flubs team wrong?
In post 5921, T S O wrote:wait a minute didn't Nero claim Gunsmith

In post 5916, Nero Cain wrote:massclaim first. I'll even go first. Town Neighbor


Will wait for pinesy to claim before I post some of my other thoughts on how I got to my previous conclusion.
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Post Post #5959 (isolation #329) » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:12 am

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I'm a VT.
In post 5929, Thor665 wrote:What is boggling my mind is the kills. Shiro has to be the DGB shot, as if she shot Axle that is just annoying and though I'm not surprised by SHiro's flip i could see being suspect of Shiro. But that means scum teams shot Axle and DGB fishing for other scum? What the heck, lackwits?

I agree, DGB shot Shiro, she said something like 'I know Axle is town' so I doubt she shot there.

Why do you think they were 'fishing for other scum' kills? especially Axle.

In post 5930, Thor665 wrote:thanks to the way Scripten interacted with me

In post 5939, Thor665 wrote:
In post 5936, T S O wrote:I'm trying to figure out if Scripten's interactions with Thor clear Thor - I've been reading through his ISO for the last 10-15 mins and it's pretty good scum theatre if it -is- scum theatre.

What prompted that specific readthrough?
This reads as a lie to me.

In post 5940, T S O wrote:I think it was the bit where Scripten had flipped Werewolf, so I was checking his ISO for associatives.

:]

I mean you have to smile right?
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In post 4150, Aegor wrote:
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D2 Thor/Josh before Daves deadline lynch.

Both times Script is on the counter wagon and no mafia visit Josh.

Thor is obviously not mafia, but a wolf, I think so.

Pine makes most sense as mafia, wolf not so much (see VC's), then Boon being BP seems very unlikely on mafia as it would require a lot of wolf power to balance in their last 2.

I will look at some interactions later, need to check how Boon and Pine + Predecessors interacted with the flipped scum particularly Flubber.

I am quite confident in my reads though.
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Post Post #6083 (isolation #330) » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:18 am

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In post 5970, T S O wrote:I don't think it's Nero because me and him were in the same Neighbourhood as Scripten and it seems pretty bastard to put 2 WW's in a 4-man hood (or if Nero's Mafia, even worse).

It's not.
In post 5978, T S O wrote:I want to hear what Slandaar has to say.

I think Boon is lying and is probably just 1-shot BP then it looks better. 2 1 shot PR's on wolves is kinda interestingly balanced vs the odd/even on Maf. I think it looks fine balance wise though.
In post 5988, Boonskiies wrote:Thor and Pine changed that wagon. Thor was bussing Pine early, and when the Pine wagon picked up steam he jumped to the next wagon. He pushed it hard.

You are greatly exaggerating how hard Thor pushed the Flubber wagon (also Pine is obviously going to vote the counter wagon to him regardless of alignment)

In post 6004, Boonskiies wrote:Well, the remaining wolves are out of you, Pine, and Thor, and there is no way that you and Thor are partners with each other. I guess I'm forgetting about Slandaar potentially being a wolf...fuck. Still. Pine is a wolf. I'll iso him later.

Why not Nero? (other than hes maf)
In post 6043, Nero Cain wrote:I've defended all the players at one point or another and there's scum in here somewhere and I feel bad for it.

So, basically everyone except me...

Nero :(
In post 6054, Pine wrote:Also, I'm not Mafia

Thank you for letting me know.
In post 6064, Nero Cain wrote:3/2/1

we no lynch

even if both factions kill a townie its a 1/2/1 game. Wich is still a town loss.

If we were to lynch a wolf today then we'd go into night as 3/1/1 but town would still lose unless there is atleast one crosskill.

So either way we rely on crosskills.

3/1/1 is better because it can go 1/1/1 and have a round 2 where 1/2/1 is impossible for town to win. 3/2/1 can also go to 2/2/0 where 3/1/1 town can never just lose whatever happens during the night.
In post 6078, Thor665 wrote:@Slandaar - to answer your question; the only way half intelligent scum should have been shooting last night was to hit other scum. Scum who spent last night shooting at town are playing badly.

I see. You are applying a theory of 'what you would do' to the kills and not looking at the kills individually and assessing them on their own merits which seems sub-optimal to me but not to you?
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Post Post #6084 (isolation #331) » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:24 am

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In post 5451, Slandaar wrote:
In post 5444, Slandaar wrote:
In post 5433, Boonskiies wrote:Also, claiming BP as scum would have been stupid on my part.

Why?

Boonsie?

In post 5453, Boonskiies wrote:
@sland - everytime I see a BP claim, I usually see them get lynched.

In post 5467, Slandaar wrote:
So, then, it would be rather silly to claim BP as town wouldn't it?

I am just going to highlight this as I never really did previously.

Does anyone think Boon isn't scum?
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Post Post #6085 (isolation #332) » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:30 am

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In post 6080, Thor665 wrote:Looking over it again my current working theory is Pine = wolf and Boon = Mafia.

I'm not sure about a Pine partner yet.

The problem with Boon Mafia is for him to be Mafia either;
1. Wolves have to be packing some serious power in their final 2 members or;
2. Boon isn't BP.

I think both are unlikely personally.

Which do you think?
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Post Post #6088 (isolation #333) » Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:13 am

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In post 6086, Pine wrote:I think that you're Mafia zeroing in on the one you can't crosskill, and I can respect that. From a Mafia perspective, their only vague chance is to lynch Wolf, crosskill Wolf, not get shot

OR I am town who thinks Boon is a wolf.

Why do you think I am scum Pine?
In post 6087, Thor665 wrote:I am looking at the kills and surmising that scum shot for town and then calling scum raging lackwits who play badly.
I don't see what is confusing about that statement nor what mental blocks I am putting onto my scumhunting with that as an idea that will lead to sub-optimal play.
Clarify?

Clarify What?

I thought you were suggesting they aimed at scum and felt that was a strange assumption to make.
In post 5929, Thor665 wrote:But
that means scum teams shot Axle and DGB fishing for other scum?
What the heck, lackwits?

Strongly implies you think they were fishing for other scum shots (and felt they were bad choices)
In post 5959, Slandaar wrote:Why do you think they were 'fishing for other scum' kills? especially Axle.

I ask why you think this
In post 6078, Thor665 wrote:@Slandaar - to answer your question; the only way half intelligent scum should have been shooting last night was to hit other scum. Scum who spent last night shooting at town are playing badly.

You explain that is what scum should do. Implying that you think scum were trying to cross kill by answering in this vein.
In post 6083, Slandaar wrote:I see. You are applying a theory of 'what you would do' to the kills and not looking at the kills individually and assessing them on their own merits which seems sub-optimal to me but not to you?

Read the above in context.
In post 6087, Thor665 wrote:I am looking at the kills and surmising that scum shot for town

Really?

I very much dislike that weird twist you have tried to pull. I don't think that is what you were saying at all.
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Post Post #6089 (isolation #334) » Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:15 am

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In post 6087, Thor665 wrote:I think he's probably not BP.

It's quite risky to claim BP into a full game when it's a fairly common role and can be CC'ed safely.

No?
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Post Post #6129 (isolation #335) » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:54 am

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In post 6090, Thor665 wrote:Yes, and thus when I call them lackwits I am suggesting their decision was poor.

Yes.

The issue is you were assuming they aimed for scum and saying those were poor choices for that purpose. When I am saying that they could have just been shooting town and find your assumption bad.
In post 6090, Thor665 wrote:
And then you said that could lead to sub-optimal thinking - I am askign what sub-optimal thinking I am headed towards and wish you to clarify that.

I think it is sub-optimal to just assume they were attempted cross kills. It's not about where you are heading but why you would assume that in the first place.
In post 6090, Thor665 wrote:Okay?
So what was I saying - I was saying that they shit for scum poorly or that they shot for town wisely? In both cases my core point is that they chose poorly. Either way, what difference in mindset do you think it will make that will lead to sub-optimal scumhunting from my end?

You didn't say OR anything and it was not implied. Please show we where you did this or where you feel it was if you wish to debate it.

If this were the case you would have answered my original question completely differently. The answer you gave does not line up with what you are saying currently Thor.
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Post Post #6130 (isolation #336) » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:26 am

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In post 6091, Thor665 wrote:Maybe - but with the concept that he's town - what the heck were Mafia doing Day 1 with their votes?

I have no idea what you are saying/suggesting.
In post 6116, T S O wrote:At this stage, scum tend to hang back and not toss the game. That points to Slandaar

Where/How am I 'hanging back'?
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Post Post #6131 (isolation #337) » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:35 am

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In post 6128, Pine wrote::facepalm:

No

Thor and Boon are our Wolves, we need to lynch Boon so Thor has a chance of being crosskilled

I agree.

Pinesy, I am not mafia. With this new information who is?
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Post Post #6133 (isolation #338) » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:46 am

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In post 6132, Thor665 wrote:I am suggesting that if he is town or wolf that the votes in Day 1 don't make a lot of sense - I'm not sure how to say that any simpler.
Have you gone and looked at the vote counts from Day 1 and done so with the mental idea that Boon is Town/Wolf - how do those vote counts look to you? DO they make sense and seem likely to have happened?

Yes?

Enlighten me then. Use the VC's to show me Boon is mafia and not a wolf.
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Post Post #6134 (isolation #339) » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:50 am

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In post 6132, Thor665 wrote:So?
You're still not putting into words how that becomes sub-optimal. What was the bad path I was traveling down mentally?

What do you mean?

If you are assuming X happened when there is no reason to assume X other than 'that is what I would do' X is sub-optimal.

The bad path is not a path. I am looking at the point of view of the game you must have to think about things in that way in the first place (or you are just being really derpy but I don't associate you with that).
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Post Post #6135 (isolation #340) » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:54 am

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In post 6132, Thor665 wrote:Read my answer again - you're brutally misreading it right now

All roads lead to my reply.
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Post Post #6161 (isolation #341) » Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:38 am

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In post 6142, Thor665 wrote:Just a few pages back Boon already did some colorcoding of Day 1 with his name in green.
You think all of those look great?

Well, I think they look fantastic if you colour him a Wolf colour, but sure, Green looks fine.
In post 6142, Thor665 wrote:
Tell me - who do you think is mafia if not Boon? I want to see how you make sense of mafia's actions there.

I have not changed my opinion - I think it's Pine.

Show what it is which you think makes my opinion so unlikely.
(use the VC's to demonstrate)
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Post Post #6162 (isolation #342) » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:01 am

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In post 6142, Thor665 wrote:That is not true and I reject your narrow logic for thinking so.
The concept of the game is based around trying to figure out why scum would or would not do what they do or don't do.
That's scumhunting.

Your 'trying to figure out why scum would or would not do' is 'what Thor would do'?

Do you think that is sensible?

You have not assessed the kills individually you have just blanketed them with 'they were bad cross kill attempts'

To use this for scum hunting purposes you would need to decide who is most likely to shoot those players for that purpose when the purpose can be completely wrong.

Clearly that IS sub-optimal.

Let me give you my assessment of the kills:
Axle looks like an obvTown kill. It may also be a 'Axle suspected the scum' type kill, likely a bit of both. It does not look like a cross kill attempt.
DGB was a Vig so you need to cross this off as a PR kill. There is no way to know if scum shot her for PR reasons or other reasons thus not assuming PR is bad.

I look forward to seeing how you use your assessment's for scum-hunting purposes though... :]
(I want you to explain how you are planning to do so as you consider it scum hunting)
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Post Post #6163 (isolation #343) » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:26 am

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In post 6142, Thor665 wrote:No they don't because your reply is based on a false premise of what I'm saying and then asks me to defend the premise.
My rebuttal was 'no matter which you think i said what is the different mindset' you replied with 'you didn't say both, why do you want me to believe you did' to which I say 'buh?'
Read the reply again.

All roads Thor. ALL roads.

My point Y stems from Z. You are making a pointless argument X wherein your meaning of Z is different to the one I am using.

Either you accept your meaning of Z was as I have used it or you argue that I am wrong.

Why does it matter when X and Y both lead to A? How you got to A is what matters not that you get to A because checking how people get to their conclusion is scumhunting.

Rewind the conversation
Thor
Crosskills!
Sland
Why do you think they were crosskills?
Thor
It's what I would do
Sland
Your analysis seems sub-optimal.

Thor then changes argument:
In post 6090, Thor665 wrote:So what was I saying -
I was saying that they shot for scum poorly or that they shot for town wisely?
In both cases my core point is that they chose poorly. Either way, what difference in mindset do you think it will make that will lead to sub-optimal scumhunting from my end?

Not actually what Thor said and if he had said that then the previous line of questioning is completely different ie: Well which do you think?

Instead Thor takes you down this ridiculous path then tries twisting it.
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Post Post #6169 (isolation #344) » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:06 am

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I read your hilarious posts Thor... Oh dear. I will reply later but this
'Such are all value calls in the game - value calls are still made. You are making one, and I am making one - the opinions differ but the core reality of a value call being made has not changed. Therefore, if I am sub optimal so are you.
Clarify?'

gave me a good minute long laugh so I thank you for that.

I mean I have no idea why you are calling them value calls but fine, allow me to enlighten you on value calling. When you are making a 'value call' the objective of such should be to use as much information as possible to make the best 'value call' you can with the information available - you didn't and thus your 'value call' was sub-optimal I mean really Thorsie... really. :]
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Post Post #6181 (isolation #345) » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:18 am

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In post 6164, Thor665 wrote:
In post 6161, Slandaar wrote:Well, I think they look fantastic if you colour him a Wolf colour, but sure, Green looks fine.

So you think this looks fine?
In post 5997, Boonskiies wrote:GRAY is unflipped who are not mafia.

[7]
PeregrineV
:
Egg
,
Thor665
,
Muffin
,
Scripten
,
davesaz
,
The Fonz
,
Boonskiies

[4]
Thor
:
goodmorning
,
Nero Cain
,
flubbernugget
,
PeregrineV

[3]
Aneninen
:
T S O
,
Pine
,
Shiro

[2]
T S O
:
AxleGreaser
,
Aneninen

[1]
Shiro
:
reinoe

[1]
Scripten
:
DGB

[3] Not Voting:
Slandaar
,
beastcharizard
,
Tiershift

=========================


Yes?

All the main wagons are not mafia so mafia have no real incentive to vote PV (which I assume is the point you are making) Fact is, 2 mafia were not voting PV, the third may or may not have been but there isn't a reason to think the 7th vote on the wagon is likely to be mafia.

You will now explain why I am wrong I assume.
In post 6164, Thor665 wrote:
In post 6163, Slandaar wrote:Either you accept your meaning of Z was as I have used it or you argue that I am wrong.

I already argued that you were wrong.

No, you didn't.
In post 6164, Thor665 wrote:
No, it was like this;

Thor
Those were incredibly bad shots for scum to make.
Sland
Why do you think they were crosskills?
Thor
I never said that.

Ladies and Gentlemen BEHOLD a new way to say 'I never said that!':
In post 6078, Thor665 wrote:the only way half intelligent scum should have been shooting last night was to hit other scum. Scum who spent last night shooting at town are playing badly.
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Post Post #6182 (isolation #346) » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:24 am

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In post 6165, Thor665 wrote:
In post 5929, Thor665 wrote:But that means scum teams shot Axle and DGB fishing for other scum? What the heck, lackwits?

In post 6087, Thor665 wrote:I am looking at the kills and surmising that scum shot for town and then calling scum raging lackwits who play badly.

Such a shocking story change from me.

I know. It's ridiculous.

Doesn't even include the part where I ask you why you think they were aiming for other scum and you reply with 'because scum should only have been shooting for other scum' which by extension means you think they were shooting for other scum and not as you say in the second quote 'shot for town'
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Post Post #6183 (isolation #347) » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:38 am

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In post 6171, Thor665 wrote:I don't even know where you're going and have had no idea for some time. Sure - I await the insight.

What?

My argument was purely: your analysis is sub-optimal in a very obvious way. I find this highly suspicious.

You then took us down this path, this nonsense about value calling and 'how was my argument sub-optimal' is completely down to you Thor. I like how when you see how ridiculous this argument became so you try to act like it has something to do with me though.

1. Do you think your argument was optimal based on the information available? AND based on my interpretation of events not yours (to separate arguments my interpretation is the important and relevant one here)
2. Do you disagree that someone making what 'appears' to be a sub-optimal argument should be examined/questioned?
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Post Post #6184 (isolation #348) » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:55 am

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In post 5175, Aegor wrote:[5]
beastcharizard:
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reinoe
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Shiro, AxleGreaser
, Boonskiies
[5]
reinoe
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beastcharizard
, Slandaar, Nero Cain, Josh_B,
Flubbernugget

[1]Thor665:
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[2] Not Voting:
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, T S O

This is a more interesting VC than the nonsense one you are showing Thor. (Although I would greatly enjoy you showing me more of these VC's)
Where is the mafia?

Bussing?
Voting Beast?
Not Voting?

Balance wise you have to say not voting and in fact sitting there waiting to see what happens makes sense from a mafia perspective that day. But actually I would suggest they would be bussing because either way Reinoe was flipping so getting the bus cred in is more valuable than saving your buddy for the day and then looking like mafia.

I like Josh as mafia for sitting on Reinoe that day doing pretty much nothing then flaking. I find that a huge mafia tell. Take Flubber, he didn't sit there as long but he did exactly the same sort of thing.

Whassup Thor?
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Post Post #6204 (isolation #349) » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:00 am

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Why did you decide to claim?
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Post Post #6284 (isolation #350) » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:48 am

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In post 6185, Thor665 wrote:It's called percentages - when 7 people (1/3 of all voters) are voting someone (an 8th player who is not Mafia) - then, yes, I would expect Mafia to be on that wagon.
So...do you not do wagon analysis or do you do it in some alternate way? Becausse I'm pretty sure my way is the "standard" way or at least close to it. What's your method?

My method is to think about the motivation the scum have at the time to vote the wagons. What is the motivation for mafia to make the seventh vote on PV? if they think PV is town there isn't one.
In post 6185, Thor665 wrote:Yes I did? This is empty.

Show.
In post 6185, Thor665 wrote:Yeah - totally a story change...

Yep. Nice to see you agree.
In post 6185, Thor665 wrote:Scum either shot for town, which was bad play.
Or they shot for scum by shooting fairly town looking slots, which was bad play.
Ergo - scum is playing badly - which is what I somewhat implied when I called them "lackwits" which is not meant as a compliment of their play.
No matter which way you approach it - scum shot dumb last night.

You keep saying this but I don't know why.

As we have covered originally this is not what you said. I asked you about your original post you replied implying everything was fine I called this suboptimal and then you were like "WELL ACTUALLY READ QUOTE ABOVE THAT IS WHAT I MEANT AND ALSO WHAT IS SUBOPTIMAL? VALUE CALLING? LOL".
In post 6185, Thor665 wrote:Well - I have called Boon scum, so he's certainly a slot I'm eyeing. Also, Flubber shows that bussing was happening, so I'm not sure why you have a question mark behind it (again, unless you meant wolves - but then what bussing are you talking about even on a theoretical level?)?

I was asking where the unknown mafia was obviously as the VC was much more interesting than the one you produced as it's a much more high pressure situation.
In post 6185, Thor665 wrote:
You say this like it's owning my face on some point - what point do you think you're owning me on? Calling Pine scum? I've been doing that for a few days now - both real and game, so...?
I don't feel like we're talking with each other here - I feel like I've missed an entire sub conversation/debate of which this is a crowning culmination post to - clarify?

I just thought it was amusing as I found your use of it laughable. It was an Ironic use.
In post 6186, Thor665 wrote:Or is it you're trying to sell me that Josh is Mafia?
Nah - I find that unlikely, his play works fine for Wolf and, in my opinion, moreso than Mafia.

You are not alone in this thought apparently. Perhaps you can help me understand this viewpoint?
In post 6192, Thor665 wrote:@Slandaar - in and amongst your derp debate, talk to me about why you think Pine is Mafia and not Wolf. I am very much of the opposite opinion.

Well a brief summary as time is short: Script didn't look like bus + being quiet during Reinoe wagon + little VCA.
In post 6263, Pine wrote:I'm not Mafia (still VT). I was trying to draw out a Mafia soft-counterclaim while gauging potential Wolf bloodthirstiness

What I will say about this is it is somewhat what I suspected. Mafia can't actually claim and stick to their claim of mafia today. I need to think about it though.

Will be back tomorrow with lots of time.
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Post Post #6372 (isolation #351) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:12 am

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In post 6285, Thor665 wrote:Why is it you can play 20 derp itimized responses to me but can't comment on the gamestate?

What is it about the 'gamestate' I should be commenting on?

The gamestate is town need to lynch a wolf. Town therefore should be scumhunting. You are not mafia. You are very very likely scum ergo a wolf. I am using my time to ensure I am correct before voting.

Why did you decide not to respond to this;
In post 6284, Slandaar wrote:You are not alone in this thought apparently. Perhaps you can help me understand this viewpoint?

? Perhaps you could.
In post 6287, T S O wrote:Slandaar, when you come in here and only continue an argument with Thor and then leave, it doesn't help. At all. It makes me think you are scum happy to watch us tear ourselves apart.

Argument with Thor is/was important.
In post 6302, Thor665 wrote::neutral:

Here's a more interesting thought and why I am currently thinking Pine is not Mafia.

There are 2 flipped Mafia - 0 neighbors.
There is 1 flipped Wolf - 1 neighbor.

I am currently suggesting that the unflipped mafia (who is likely a Goon as is the flipped Wolf) is a Neighbor - as Mafia currently lacks a neighbor.
Ergo - people who are not neighbors are not the last Mafia.

Thoughts?

It looks nice and symmetrical I will give you that but I am town and with this information the symmetry breaks.

It just so happens you can make a nice looking pattern with what has and hasn't flipped but do you actually believe they are useful Thor? I suspect no.
In post 6370, Nero Cain wrote:
vote:Slandaar


join me Boon

Why are you voting me?
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Post Post #6374 (isolation #352) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:33 am

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I would like an answer Nero.
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Post Post #6383 (isolation #353) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:57 am

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In post 6375, T S O wrote:Slandaar, that's a rather weak refutation.

What response did you expect?

If we assume random (as you should) then all these pretty patterns are meaningless.

Making the pretty patterns is bad, considering them as anything but pretty patterns is... bad.
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Post Post #6384 (isolation #354) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:58 am

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In post 6376, Nero Cain wrote:the remaining scum are you, pine and Boons. I believe that Boons is your buddy 'cause he's calling you wolf yet is avoiding lynching you at all costs.

Reasons are required.
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Post Post #6388 (isolation #355) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:09 am

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In post 6385, Boonskiies wrote:Why do the we have to assume the neighborhoods are random? I guess it's really the only argument a wolf has at this point.

OK I am town.

What other argument is there against the pattern?

You should assume they are random because that is what you should always do there is no reason to believe they are not.

Do you actually think the mod would put 4/6 scum outside the hoods in 8 players? clearly that can be broken later. Maybe by random chance it happens but seems terrible to do otherwise and in the situation that did happen via random rolls you are right using wrong methodology. Thus we assume random, we always assume random and we scumhunt ignoring the hoods and flips in them.

Here is a pretty pattern I shall present to you:

Neighbours
Script
Thor
Boon

all wolves 1 in each hood.

Non neighbours
Pine
Flubber
Reinoe

All mafia.

Now we have two pretty patterns.

Present an argument against my pattern Boon.
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Post Post #6397 (isolation #356) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:46 am

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In post 6393, Boonskiies wrote:Is Slandaar still not claiming? :roll:

400 posts ago when we 'all' claimed;
In post 5959, Slandaar wrote:I'm a VT.

What is it I need to claim for again exactly?
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Post Post #6398 (isolation #357) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:47 am

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In post 6389, Thor665 wrote:@Slandaar - if you're intentionally not answering,

Intend to address some of it at some point.
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Post Post #6399 (isolation #358) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:48 am

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In post 6394, Boonskiies wrote:@slandaar - that's great, but Pine's not mafia.

Why?
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Post Post #6401 (isolation #359) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:49 am

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I am interested to hear your response.

When I asked Thor he went 'IM NOT INTERESTED IN TALKING ANYMORE'
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Post Post #6409 (isolation #360) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:16 am

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In post 6405, Thor665 wrote:Your top Mafia suspect currently is...?

Pine->TSO

Why does this really matter?

What does matter is you or Boon explaining to me why you think Pine isn't mafia/is a wolf. Yet both of you have failed to answer this. I assume you can explain why?
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Post Post #6410 (isolation #361) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:18 am

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In post 6400, Thor665 wrote:@Slandaar - if you're intentionally not answering, claiming, and offering thoughts - please let me know. I give you that courtesy and I expect the same.

What wasn't clear in my previous response?
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Post Post #6412 (isolation #362) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:43 am

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I will give them a chance to explain why you are wolf but I assume they will fail to do so to any reasonable degree based on their previous responses.
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Post Post #6416 (isolation #363) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:59 am

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In post 6413, Thor665 wrote:This is the first time you've asked me.

Uh, No.

Take a guess;
Did Sland ask or didn't Sland ask?

Get your answers in now folks!
In post 6413, Thor665 wrote:
I have provided extensive reasoning for suspecting he is scum - are you utterly unaware of it?

I asked specifically about Wolf/not mafia not about why he is scum.
In post 6413, Thor665 wrote:
My reasoning for thinking he's a Wolf is based on my setup spec - are you unaware of it?

The pattern nonsense?

That is it?

I see.
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Post Post #6417 (isolation #364) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:05 am

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In post 6414, Thor665 wrote:Ah, here it is.

Okay.

When?

Tomorrow probably.

None of it is very important from what I saw. The only good thing is posting why I am town which I absolutely intend to do. I will have to look at some VC's etc but a short version I was on script wagon and Reinoe wagon.
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Post Post #6418 (isolation #365) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:14 am

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In post 6186, Thor665 wrote:Nah - I find that unlikely, his play works fine for Wolf and, in my opinion, moreso than Mafia.

So, it's not just the Setup spec.

Clarify?
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Post Post #6421 (isolation #366) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:39 am

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In post 6419, T S O wrote:Pattern one has symmetry within the scumteams and good set-up design.
Pattern two has no symmetry at all and is terrible set-up design.

A setup doesn't have to be symmetrical to be well designed?
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Post Post #6422 (isolation #367) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:41 am

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In post 6420, Thor665 wrote:Wagon analysis.

:]

Last time you showed me a VC it had 7 votes and you were like 'look no mafia gotta be Boon!'. Do you have any actual 'wagon analysis'?
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Post Post #6427 (isolation #368) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:54 am

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In post 6423, Thor665 wrote:Y'know, you and Pine are really wringing hands about this idea of mine without paying much attention to the actual reactions to it outside of trying to vaguely sell me on being an idiot/scum for thinking I'm right.

I have Boon and TSO bought in to it, and I'm not a likely Mafia, so that really starts to twist what alignments the other two theoretically are at that stage.
Nero (an unlikely Wolf) is also at least buying into the idea that the setup spec has merit though he seems to maybe disagree with my conclusions. So, again, what relational alignment does that bring into the play?

I have literally no idea what it is you are trying to say here but it doesn't really matter.
In post 6424, Thor665 wrote:I still suspect Boon of being Mafia, so...?

He was 7th on a wagon where there are no other mafia present. It's incredibly weak reasoning.

Show me this wagon analysis.
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Post Post #6447 (isolation #369) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:48 am

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In post 6428, T S O wrote:How the hell is this fair to Town?

You are overvaluing townpower in multiball. Town power in multiball always seems low to me I shall provide an example to demonstrate.
Link

This is a good example because it is also a large normal with 2, 3 man, scum teams.

Setup
Town
Doc
Vig

Scum 1
JK/Goon/Goon

Scum 2
BP/1 shot Exe/Goon

It looks low, yes, but it passed review. The multiball aspect balances the setup. The town to scum power ratio is greatly different in multi/non multi games. It's slightly old but I don't play much multiball so eh deal with it, the way people think of balance won't have changed dramatically. If you want to argue that my proposed setup wouldn't pass review provide an example (or two) showing why as my example clearly shows it would.
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Post Post #6448 (isolation #370) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:51 am

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In post 6431, Boonskiies wrote:@TSO - it's not fair to town. By no means do I think there are 4 VT's in this game.

It's a large NORMAL game.

Why wouldn't there be 4 VT's?
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Post Post #6449 (isolation #371) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:54 am

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In post 6442, Nero Cain wrote:he's even calling you a wolf lol

Have been all day.
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Post Post #6450 (isolation #372) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:22 am

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In post 6440, Boonskiies wrote:Slandaar and I as the wolf team?!?!? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

What a joker Nero is.
(See how Boon doesn't react to Boon/Thor implications but does to Me/Him there is a reason)
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Post Post #6502 (isolation #373) » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:53 am

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In post 6476, T S O wrote:I think I want Slandaar dead today, real talk.

Vote: Slandaar

Why?
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Post Post #6503 (isolation #374) » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:36 am

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In post 6471, T S O wrote:Bulletproof Wolf

How balanced is that again?

In post 6447, Slandaar wrote:Scum 2
BP
/1 shot Exe/Goon

Why isn't it?
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Post Post #6504 (isolation #375) » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:41 am

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In post 6497, Boonskiies wrote:I really would prefer a Pine lynch over a Slandaar lynch. I still keep forgetting Nero has possibility of being a wolf.

Pine lynch is the worst possible lynch (for town :wink: )
In post 6498, Boonskiies wrote:Although, the fact that wolves haven't pounced on Slandaar shows that he is not mafia, I believe.

How would the wolves know I am mafia?
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Post Post #6505 (isolation #376) » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:58 am

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I need to work unfortunately but I do have a fantastic case I have put together over the last few days on Thor/Boon to write up this evening. Then we can all sit around and have a nice discussion and finally lynch.
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Post Post #6508 (isolation #377) » Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:04 am

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I have posted my thoughts on the things I find important.
In post 6387, Thor665 wrote:Boon's case logic.

Here is one of the things you want me to post my thoughts on.

Why do I need to post my thoughts on this Thor?

How useful will it be?
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Post Post #6510 (isolation #378) » Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:10 am

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What 'case' is Boon presenting?
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Post Post #6515 (isolation #379) » Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:14 am

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In post 6512, Thor665 wrote:Basically any of them - though I had a lengthy discussion with him earlier today and if you look at his recent iso you'll see a swathe of self-quotes from him with his 'case' such as it exists.

OK well talking generally my answer to your question is: bad.

What exactly is it you expected?
In post 6512, Thor665 wrote:
You could also iso Nero for a conversation with me about how he's reacting to Boon's thought process.

That is a different topic entirely.
In post 6512, Thor665 wrote:
Also, there is some vague sideways attack from Pine out there dinging on the way Boon weak attacked me and then 'followed me to some extent in a way I shouldn't describe as lockstep, but is apparently similar enough for Pine to call scummy - insert your own word choice here'.

Y'know, that stuff.

Again. I am unsure what this has to do with my thoughts on Boon's case logic and/or my thoughts on how he is presenting his case?
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Post Post #6521 (isolation #380) » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:41 am

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In post 6516, Thor665 wrote:I expected that answer or a lie.
What do you now make of the people pushing on him for playing in this manner?

I don't believe in the case of Nero he is doing what you suggest; pushing on him for 'playing in this manner'

Pine eh. He is mafia and needs/thinks he needs the Boon lynch so whatever. Even if we look at this independent of all other thought and we just for arguments sake agree his push is scummy what team tells do you think I should be picking up on?
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Post Post #6523 (isolation #381) » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:14 pm

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In post 6284, Slandaar wrote:
In post 6186, Thor665 wrote:Or is it you're trying to sell me that Josh is Mafia?
Nah - I find that unlikely, his play works fine for Wolf and, in my opinion, moreso than Mafia.

You are not alone in this thought apparently. Perhaps you can help me understand this viewpoint?

In post 6372, Slandaar wrote:
Why did you decide not to respond to this;
In post 6284, Slandaar wrote:You are not alone in this thought apparently. Perhaps you can help me understand this viewpoint?

? Perhaps you could.

Response:
In post 6381, Thor665 wrote:Please consider this an intentional dodge and react accordingly.

It continued.
In post 6399, Slandaar wrote:
In post 6394, Boonskiies wrote:@slandaar - that's great, but Pine's not mafia.

Why?

In post 6409, Slandaar wrote:What does matter is you or Boon explaining to me why you think Pine isn't mafia/is a wolf. Yet both of you have failed to answer this. I assume you can explain why?

In post 6413, Thor665 wrote:My reasoning for thinking he's a Wolf is based on my setup spec - are you unaware of it?

In post 6418, Slandaar wrote:
In post 6186, Thor665 wrote:Nah - I find that unlikely, his play works fine for Wolf and, in my opinion, moreso than Mafia.

So, it's not just the Setup spec.

Clarify?

In post 6420, Thor665 wrote:Wagon analysis.

In post 6422, Slandaar wrote:Last time you showed me a VC it had 7 votes and you were like 'look no mafia gotta be Boon!'. Do you have any actual 'wagon analysis'?

In post 6424, Thor665 wrote:I still suspect Boon of being Mafia, so...?

In post 6427, Slandaar wrote:
He was 7th on a wagon where there are no other mafia present. It's incredibly weak reasoning.

Show me this wagon analysis.

In post 6453, Thor665 wrote:I have already - that's why you're calling it weak over and over, because you saw it and decided it was weak. Why do you want to see it again, have you forgotten why you are calling it weak or something?

So, below is Thor's entire wagon analysis which is the reasoning for Boon as mafia and Pine as wolf in 6186. That is all I could get from him on numerous attempts to do so. It may aswell be nothing, considering Thor talks of reactions and interactions lets call it puzzling that he doesn't have any for his own scumreads - his reasoning is non existant.
In post 6164, Thor665 wrote:
So you think this looks fine?
In post 5997, Boonskiies wrote:GRAY is unflipped who are not mafia.

[7]
PeregrineV
:
Egg
,
Thor665
,
Muffin
,
Scripten
,
davesaz
,
The Fonz
,
Boonskiies

[4]
Thor
:
goodmorning
,
Nero Cain
,
flubbernugget
,
PeregrineV

[3]
Aneninen
:
T S O
,
Pine
,
Shiro

[2]
T S O
:
AxleGreaser
,
Aneninen

[1]
Shiro
:
reinoe

[1]
Scripten
:
DGB

[3] Not Voting:
Slandaar
,
beastcharizard
,
Tiershift

=========================


That is the weakest reasoning I have ever seen.

Here is another 7 man wagon, where is the mafia?
In post 891, Aegor wrote::right: [7]PeregrineV: Egg, Thor665, Muffin, Aneninen, Scripten, davesaz, Tiershift

Is it Thor? eh no...

It's manipulative using one 7 man wagon instead of the final wagon which he posted later but isn't used in the wagon analysis. Why use the 7 man wagon where Boon is conveniently 7th vote and not the full 12 man or any of the other iterations of the PV wagon?
In post 2551, Aegor wrote:[12]PeregrineV: Egg, Thor665, Scripten, The Fonz, davesaz, TierShift, Shiro, T S O, Garmr, AxleGreaser, Muffin, Boonskiies

Leaves TSO, Garmr(Pine) and Boon. Seems much more sensible if you are going to be saying there should be mafia on the PV wagon to use this iteration instead of just choosing a random iteration to suit your needs.

His only other reasoning is the setup spec. I think the easiest way to demonstrate this isn't correct is just to challenge you all to produce a normal game where the setup was solvable as this is essentially what you are attempting with 'setup patterns'. They just don't exist they do not match the point of normal games. Thor should know this.

I would also suggest in a hypothetical situation where you have a solveable setup then this is only protown which leads to much less town power. Claimed roles here would hugely exceed balance of Odd Rolecop/Even RB/Goon vs Goon/X/X this means then that Thor and Boon are scum. Unless one is lying about their role then they are both wolves in said instance even then one is mafia one is wolf. There is no way town gets 6 PR and a solvable setup vs what are two limited PR's and a Goon. 5? no. The 4 flipped including a cop and tracker? (no but this is hypothetical anyways at this point).

I have more to come tomorrow. This was really just one point that Thor's reasoning is completely lacking when it comes to why Boon/Pine are wolf/mafia.
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Post Post #6526 (isolation #382) » Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:39 am

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In post 6524, Boonskiies wrote:Sliiiiiiiiiiip. He thinks I'm mafia, and Pine's a wolf. The actual wolf got caught up.

Yeah you are right actually. I did townslip. I put mafia/wolf the wrong way round. I put them how I think not how Thor thinks... meaning my thoughts are genuine thus I cannot be wolf or mafia (well I could technically be a wolf with you who thinks Pine is mafia but... no)

What was the 'slip' you were suggesting as clearly it wasn't that.
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Post Post #6532 (isolation #383) » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:20 pm

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I forgot to reply to you Thor!
In post 6522, Thor665 wrote:
In post 6521, Slandaar wrote:I don't believe in the case of Nero he is doing what you suggest; pushing on him for 'playing in this manner'

What do you think his case is? Because my understanding is opposite your own.

Setup spec.

What do you think it is?
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Post Post #6534 (isolation #384) » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:21 pm

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In post 6529, Thor665 wrote:
In post 6523, Slandaar wrote:Here is another 7 man wagon, where is the mafia?

For the guy who is talking about the 'final wagon' being worth looking at.
Look at the composition of your 7 man and my 7 man wagons and compare them to the final wagon.

I wasn't suggesting to use that wagon the point was why use one random 7 man wagon and not another? to suit your agenda.

In post 6529, Thor665 wrote:
I look forward to your other responses yet to come.
We've been on hold for around a week waiting for you to comment on anything.

I have commented on the important things.

I don't see a need to comment on every bad post.

----

In post 6085, Slandaar wrote:
In post 6080, Thor665 wrote:Looking over it again my current working theory is Pine = wolf and Boon = Mafia.

I'm not sure about a Pine partner yet.

The problem with Boon Mafia is for him to be Mafia either;
1. Wolves have to be packing some serious power in their final 2 members or;
2. Boon isn't BP.

I think both are unlikely personally.

Which do you think?

In post 6089, Slandaar wrote:
In post 6087, Thor665 wrote:I think he's probably not BP.

It's quite risky to claim BP into a full game when it's a fairly common role and can be CC'ed safely.

No?

In post 6091, Thor665 wrote:
In post 6089, Slandaar wrote:
In post 6087, Thor665 wrote:I think he's probably not BP.

It's quite risky to claim BP into a full game when it's a fairly common role and can be CC'ed safely.

No?

Maybe - but with the concept that he's town - what the heck were Mafia doing Day 1 with their votes?

This is where Thor's wagon analysis comes from. So we have a 7 man wagon which 6 are not Mafia. The 7th vote is Boon.

We know for a fact 2 mafia were not on the PV wagon so Thor is suggesting the 7th vote is Mafia ie Boon. This is the weakest reasoning I have seen.

Thor's entire logic is thus;
Boon is lying about his claim he just claimed into the entire game a fairly common role. He is mafia because he was the 7th vote on a wagon which later hit 12 votes and had two other unknowns but ignoring that information Boon is mafia!

Nonsense.

So, Thor is calling Boon mafia on some invented reasoning then we have Boon who votes Thor a few times today (for a very short period) whom says;
In post 6440, Boonskiies wrote:Slandaar and I as the wolf team?!?!? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

He never reacts to the Thor/Him team in any such way when he has been voting Thor today.
In post 6271, Boonskiies wrote:I think Pine's mafia WOLF. I don't think this setup has more than two VT's. Have TSO/Slandaar/Nero claimed? I think it may be beneficial if they did.

This was also a thing. It's one of those things which adds up to the whole case.

As an aside; His lack of attention to claims is terrible.

So these small things add up. Boon never gave any reasoning for;
In post 6399, Slandaar wrote:
In post 6394, Boonskiies wrote:@slandaar - that's great, but Pine's not mafia.

Why?

In post 6406, Boonskiies wrote:I actually don't think we should talk about mafia anymore, unless we think we'll be lynching mafia toDay.

Which is a professional dodge.

Both Thor and Boon's logic on explaining why Pine is wolf is non existent bar the pattern nonsense which as I have covered can easily be made up. Thor's logic explaining Boon Mafia was non-existant.

Nero could be wolf lurking it but I think Boon works too well with Thor. If anyone has ever seen Thor's logic crumble as it has, you should show it, also maybe if he is often accused of twisting things because he has been doing that a lot here (something I could write about but eh, no-one will even read this)

Boon is scummy individually recent example being that ridiculous slip post he made just jumping on anything. He is also very difficult to engage in any conversation as he constantly dodges questions (one shown above) anyways I am done for now.

Basically what needs to happen is anyone who doesn't think Boon is a wolf give reasoning ie Thor/TSO (and Boon). As Boon must be lynched today assuming hes a wolf due to BP nature.
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Post Post #6544 (isolation #385) » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:07 pm

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In post 6537, Boonskiies wrote:Now Slandaar thinks I'm mafia instead of a wolf. Hilarious.

Uh... no. Nice try.
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Post Post #6545 (isolation #386) » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:24 pm

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In post 6533, Thor665 wrote:Can you describe how his case is setup spec?
I can see the setup spec used to decide the wolf/mafia decision - but his scum case on Boon existed prior to doing any of that.

I think his case is this;
In post 6439, Nero Cain wrote:yes...no...idk. My one game with him his night actions were really bad and he just sorta gave up and stopped defending himself when he got ran up. Part of me wants to say "yes" he'd have better logic as town 'cause I think there's a load of scum motivation to push one person over another.

Get out of here.

That is not a case. That is him responding to your question where he says 'idk' ie he isn't sure.

Even then it is definitely NOT;
In post 6516, Thor665 wrote:What do you now make of the people
pushing on him for playing in this manner
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Post Post #6553 (isolation #387) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:47 am

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In post 6546, T S O wrote:I can't help but feel Thor is winning Thor vs Slandaar. Slandaar and Pine's mutual Mafia read on me also rings alarm bells.

Thor is good at looking good in arguments; he is good at smoke screening.

Which of his actual arguments are good though?
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Post Post #6554 (isolation #388) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:25 am

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In post 6533, Thor665 wrote:Can you describe how his case is setup spec?

- Too much town power for all claims to be town.
- He then looked at Boon and Thor(you) and said well they are going to be wolf if scum (logical based on claim) and then said he found you more town leaving Boon.

In post 6551, Nero Cain wrote:Also still think that Thor is somewhat likely town due to both factions voting him

You mean Scripts RVS vote?
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Post Post #6589 (isolation #389) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:51 am

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Thor/Boon cannot both be town I do agree with that 6PR is going to be too much.

I don't agree with only one being scum ... 1 shot JK is very weak as a town role so there really isn't much difference with or without it setup wise the 4 PR's is completely fine especially considering they were all quite strong roles not 1 shot tracker etc. (Point being if you are arguing 4 PR isn't balanced you are arguing a very minute thing between 4 vs 4 + JK the difference is so minimal arguing it isn't balanced is too thin a line)

2 Inv
2 Protect
Sounds nice
1 Killing

No reason for it not to be 2/1/1 it's just a pretty pattern thing which really doesn't even hold with the killing role (vig)

The JK does make a lot of sense as a wolf role to balance the even RB.

The setup to me looks nice as:
5 man hood
4 man hood
3 man hood

BG/Commuter
2 shot Vig
Tracker
Prime Cop who guilties both factions.
11 VT

Team 1
Goon
1 shot JK
1 shot BP

Team 2
Goon
Even RB
Odd Rolecop

Hoods generated randomly. That looks good.
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Post Post #6590 (isolation #390) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:59 am

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In post 28, Scripten wrote:I have had a lot of beer tonight.

VOTE: ote Thor

He's a thor.

In post 39, Scripten wrote:
In post 36, Thor665 wrote:I now support Csaro's lynch also.

Scripten's drunk post is also a policy lynch.

People should vote one or the other, my RVS stage is over.


Policy lynchers should be policy lynched.

Thor vote is serious.

In post 301, Scripten wrote:Also here. Really busy and currently in the max number of games I want to take on at a time.

Nobody is really pinging hard either way.

TSO vs. Csareo is a lot of reading and not a whole lot of enlightenment.Trying to figure out who's pushing it.

No mention of Thor.
In post 362, Scripten wrote:Have a few minor reads.

TSO seems mildly town. Toby and Tiershift feel town. (Tier feels quite town, in fact.)

Nero Cain looks a little suspicious. Cho feels like scum to me.

UNVOTE: Thor665
VOTE: Cho

No mention of Thor.

Later;
In post 565, Scripten wrote:
In post 559, Thor665 wrote:@Everyone - Pere claimed scum. I caught him. You may sheep me now.


Heh. I like this. Not yet ready to sheep Thor, but this is a good post.
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Post Post #6591 (isolation #391) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:03 am

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In post 6581, Boonskiies wrote:The potential town teams I see are Nero/TSO/Boon, Thor/TSO/Boon, Pine/TSO/Boon, or Nero/Thor/Boon. Slandaar's the only one who doesn't come up ever in that.

In post 6582, Boonskiies wrote:From my perspective, that makes him a wolf. Mafia has to be in one of my potential town teams.

How does that make me wolf and not mafia? (why does mafia have to be in 'potential town teams'?)
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Post Post #6602 (isolation #392) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:53 am

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In post 6594, T S O wrote:Because unless you are, then don't use "maybe im mafia" as an excuse, justification, or anything else.

Hrm

There is no point debating Boon thinks I am scum so I skipped that part and went to how he has used this information to put me as a wolf. We are looking at Boon's thought process I was not using it as a defense or 'excuse'.
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Post Post #6603 (isolation #393) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:54 am

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In post 6593, Nero Cain wrote:So if you think Boons and Thor are scum....which VT do you think is lying and why.

I don't understand what you mean.
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Post Post #6604 (isolation #394) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:55 am

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In post 6600, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 6593, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 6589, Slandaar wrote:Thor/Boon cannot both be town I do agree with that 6PR is going to be too much.


In post 6589, Slandaar wrote:11 VT

So if you think Boons and Thor are scum....which VT do you think is lying and why.



Good catch, nero. So Slandaar legitimately scum slipped this time.

lol

What is the slip you are accusing me of this time?

I see you never explained the previous one why was that?
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Post Post #6605 (isolation #395) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:56 am

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In post 6602, Slandaar wrote:
In post 6594, T S O wrote:Because unless you are, then don't use "maybe im mafia" as an excuse, justification, or anything else.

Hrm

There is no point debating Boon thinks I am scum so I skipped that part and went to how he has used this information to put me as a wolf. We are looking at Boon's thought process I was not using it as a defense or 'excuse'.

And as we can see Boon has failed to explain it. Point being he is just making stuff up to paint me as wolf.
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Post Post #6607 (isolation #396) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:03 am

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12 VT
6 Scum
4 PR
22 players

Game is 21. -1 VT = what I said.

What are you talking about?
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Post Post #6609 (isolation #397) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:24 am

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That isn't quite what you just said is it?
In post 6606, Nero Cain wrote:So either you can't think this is a 11 vt setup or you can't think that both Boon/thor are scum.

How can I not think this?

Why didn't you ask who else I think is scum other than Thor/Boon if you didn't already know? (it's quite clear my answer)
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Post Post #6611 (isolation #398) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:49 am

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I had literally written up a post to vote Boon but your response was absolutely terrible.

You asked which VT is lying. (not 'VT claim')
I asked you to clarify.
You clarified by stating
'either you can't think this is a 11 vt setup or you can't think that both Boon/thor are scum.'
I reply I can.

You are now telling me what you meant by that is one of the VT claims is scum and you were simply asking which I think it is.

Uh no. No. Just no. That is not what you were saying.

I would like you to explain to me where the first response has come from if you were simply asking me who I think the 3rd scum is.

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In the meantime I shall answer you: Pine, I have posted reasons for why I think hes mafia, I found Garmr's contradiction of being survivalistic in terms of OMGUSing a lot but then saying he was OK with being a wagon extremely scummy (an act). Then Josh being quiet during Reinoe/Beast which is absolutely a huge scumtell (mafia tell > Wolf) but still scumtell. Pines reasoning for me being mafia is also extremely poor he is just calling me mafia because I am right about him but there you go.
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Post Post #6616 (isolation #399) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:12 am

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I can accept that is what you were asking if you hadn't posted 6606 but that clearly does not match up. All you had to do if that were the case is simply clarify you were asking me which of the VT claims I think is scum.

It also doesn't back your story up when you should have known already who I thought is the final scum if you had been reading prior.

I see you have taken to dodging also though.
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