NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

[beastcharizard]

So, who is town and who is scum?

[beastcharizard]

Muffin is town. That is the truth.

I plan on reading. Just wanted to see what yall would say.

Also, I am so town I own all the Animal Crossing games.

[beastcharizard]

What is everyone's read on my slot?

[beastcharizard]

He did nothing. And that is the truth.

[beastcharizard]

Spoiler: @beast /noise

What is everyone's read on my slot?

predecessor ISO and vote count says...

He did nothing. And that is the truth.

So everyone is likely to have the read he did nothing...

FYI: I dont remember anybody pushing a lets lynch the/a lurker meme...

A really early D1 kind of read would be, town if I squint really hard... (and am compelled to flip a coin.)
So starting at 25% chance of scum, ,...your predecessor was at 24.?

At some time in the future I will probably give more weight to how you dealt with catching up than the prior read.

Play?

why do you care, even a tiny bit?

It was just a question to gauge how lazy I can be.

[beastcharizard]

I am like halfway done.

[beastcharizard]

Who is sheepable?

[beastcharizard]

Is a town read bad?

Also sorry for not posting. Life has been hectic.

[beastcharizard]

I am really sorry I haven't caught up yet. Stupid math homework and real life.

[beastcharizard]

Life took over. Can someone give me a quick update on the Thor case?

[beastcharizard]

Hephaestus litterally just dissappeared. I had to replace him in my modded game as well. I wouldn't call that lurking.

I am just being a lazy shit. Also, I forget this is a thing sometimes too.

Now kindly unvote me.

[beastcharizard]

Hi Josh.

[beastcharizard]

Please show me the scummy prod-dodges. Also, point out how they are scummy.

[beastcharizard]

It doesn't resemble scum anything. It is at worst anti-town.

Also, how the hell am I supposed to control if I happen to check the thread after someone votes me? That was a coincidence.

Earlier I was going to make a bigger post but then realized I had homework to do.

Next you are going to say I am scummy for going to sleep soon because: "He was avoiding a conversation with me by sleeping."

[beastcharizard]

Also, I am not caught up on the game but I can make shit up for you if you really want.

[beastcharizard]

I didn't know my course load was going to increase and it was an agreement of cross-replace.

[beastcharizard]

Also, I am not signing up for anything new before finishes a couple more games in an attempt to lessen my mafia load.

[beastcharizard]

I thought someone already hammered.

I will be caught up by day tomorrow for sure and then I can be useful. I promise.

[beastcharizard]

I only said game day tomorrow because I thought someone had already hammered.

[beastcharizard]

So no one hammered Thor? I am confused.

[beastcharizard]

I would like to request that if there is a vig they don't kill me. I haven't had a chance to do anything yet and I promise I will be awesome tomorrow.

I don't break promises.

[beastcharizard]

VOTE: davesaz

Sure I won't be awful.

[beastcharizard]

Finally read the game and these are my reads.

Scum:
Reinoe
goodmorning
AxleGreaser
Shiro

Leaning Scum:
Josh_B

Null:
Izariael
Flubbernugget
Boonskiies

Leaning Town:
Thor665
Nero Cain

Town:
TSO
Slandaar

as such

VOTE: Renioe

[beastcharizard]

Reinoe is just scum. Call it gut or whatever you want they just give me no town vibes what so ever.

TSO is how I think TSO acts as town.

Shinobi is based off of the flipped WW. I found them most likely to be partner. It was really the early vote from said flipped WW that made me think that.

Thor is leaning town because of how Reinoe treats them. I don't see them being partners together.

Null reads are null because after reading I don't remember them that much.

Nero is a tough nut to crack. He is a super chill guy though. He is hear because while I am not sure how to read him exactly I am not getting scum vibes from him.

goodmorning is interaction with Reinoe. At least one of the people in Reinoe's big question post around when they first came in has to be scum. We have eliminated Thor by interaction and goodmorning fits the bill greatly.

[beastcharizard]

Slandaar is gut, don't have a reason there.

Axle had a post somewhere that screamed scum to me, I just don't remember which one it was. I will find it in due time.

Josh_B I have played with before and I couldn't read them well. I didn't get town vibes really but I felt like I should have some sort of read on them so they were put in leaning scum. Since I am not town reading them at this point they are probably scum.

[beastcharizard]

@Beast Am I the shinobi person in the why readlist ? Cause otherwise there is ni such person. If it is me then how am I the most likely ww person based on scriptens flip ?Which vote made u think that ? Also your top scumread is based on gut. Ok.

@Reinoi Most likely scum in my hood is nobody. I town read everyone in it.

@Boon it was me pushing beast lynch

Yes that is you. Also I can explain more if you would like when I get home later.

[beastcharizard]

@Boonskiies
Were you really trying to draw a NK by claiming 2-shot bulletproof?

@Thor
Who's scum?

@Flubber
Who's town

@Goodmorning
Why's Thor scum?

Reinoe's intro was just bad. Not bad like me where I did nothing but bad as in scum pretending to put in effort. Their 4th post was them asking questions of specific people. This is also where I get some of my associative scum reads from. They asked someone who is TOWN, not scum. If you know the scum you know the town. That is just not a normal question.
I also don't like their attacks on Thor. I feel like they are just attacking someone who gets upset easily to make it look like it is a scum reaction. Also, they don't shut up about Thor, like ever.
4176 is also scummy. I have known more scum do fake gambits than town and in that instance it was just bad. It wasn't a normally trolly thing either.
The Tier Shift kill makes complete sense from reinoe as well since Tier wasn't eating any of the bullshit that reinoe is putting out.

[beastcharizard]

Now lets lynch scum reinoe and get on with the game.

Also, what do we speculate the setup is with that WW flip? Are there games with only WWs in them?

[beastcharizard]

Are you serious? One of my scum reads is based off of the flip of the WW? Are you reading what I type?

Tier didn't buy into your Thor stuff at all. If you can't convince someone you may as well kill them, am I right?

You don't shut up about Thor and now you are attacking me because I am correctly scum reading you. But I don't mind. Bring it on!

Also, naked votes are a scums best friend so thanks for making me 1000% confident you are scum.

[beastcharizard]

Also, I am curious if we think this is a WW only game or if mafia is in it too. That is a legit question after the freaking WW flip. Your whole post was bad.

[beastcharizard]

Thanks for letting me know I was right about you too GM.

Since I have no credibility I should just claim.

I am even-night cop. Last night i inspected reinoe and got back a guilty.

Now for the love of all that is good can we lynch them?

My play from yesterday was me being under the scum kill radar so that I could inspect someone. I crumbed my target by saying reinoe was scum and I came into today with reinoe as my top scum read and only pushing them so that if I were to be killed in some fashion after today you all would know what I did last night.

[beastcharizard]

Beast again explain how scriptens ww flips makes me scum
Also

Vote:Beast

Till u do and the reason makes sense.

Their first non-Rvs vote on you looks like bussing to me. I am not trying to lynch you today so you can be a little more calm about it. You can go down in a couple days after reinoe and good morning.

[beastcharizard]

Wow, how convenient that you just happen to be the same role that i claimed.

GM, I didn't want to put myself by calling reinoe mafia so I tried to get someone else to say mafia was in the game first so I didn't look look like a cop.

[beastcharizard]

I was at work when I claimed thank you very much. You are scum and everyone knows it. Also, I explain why I played the way I did. I have mad a lurky doing nothing meta for myself as town lately so I thought this would be the perfect time to see if I could do that and survive as a PR. So yesterday I pretended to be behind and be useless.

If yall need to lynch me first to see that reinoe is scum then so be it. Not like I am going to get another chance to inspect someone anyway.

[beastcharizard]

This is town Reinoe.

VOTE: Beast

How is this town Reinoe when I have a scum guilty on them? This is clearly SCUM Reinoe.

[beastcharizard]

You'll all be happy to know that I got a not-mafia result on boonskies. Because that's how cops in multi-ball get results. Not in the forM of "guilty" "not guilty".

This post can literally only come from scum. Multiball can't be confirmed until a flip of mafia is seen. They know they are mafia so they know it is multiball.

Also, lynch me first. IDGAF. I found scum and I got the town rolling.

rephrase:
@GM: I only asked about setup spec so that someone else would introduce the idea of mafia being in the game. I felt like if I just out and said I thought reinoe was mafia that the mafia would realize I was some sort of investigative role because they only people who would know that mafia is in the game is: 1. Mafia, 2. Power roles who are searching for mafia.

[beastcharizard]

As I've said, I don't believe either of them.

Then you have to believe both of us are scum in some fashion. Why would town lie in this situation?

[beastcharizard]

Reinoe, I am not active lurking. It is freaking thanksgiving week so I am busier than normal. I will get to stuff when I get to it.

[beastcharizard]

What is everyone's read on my slot?

I can't even remember what heph did and I'm too tired to check

He did nothing. And that is the truth.

DAT AMISHED TELL THO...

Also, how the hell am I supposed to control if I happen to check the thread after someone votes me? That was a coincidence.

Yeah, it could have been if maybe it only happened once...

My play from yesterday was me being under the scum kill radar so that I could inspect someone.

Why are you active lurking now?

Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:54 pm

Could someone voting me explain how beast's play this game is town?

Ugh can't believe this shit. Somebody who's voting me xplain how beasts play this game is town.

]The above is why you don't phone post between calls.

I'm gonna just scum-hunt when I get home.

--->But I'll point out Beast's remarkable silence after fake-claiming.<---

Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:10 pm

I was at work when I claimed thank you very much. You are scum and everyone knows it. Also, I explain why I played the way I did. I have mad a lurky doing nothing meta for myself as town lately so I thought this would be the perfect time to see if I could do that and survive as a PR. So yesterday I pretended to be behind and be useless.

If yall need to lynch me first to see that reinoe is scum then so be it. Not like I am going to get another chance to inspect someone anyway

.

Total elapsed time 16 minutes after being called out. Not a record but a good hard try. With a little more F5 refreshing you could have had that record for most rapid appearance after being called out for lurking.

Did I call my slot scum? No. That would be an amished tell. Figuring out where I start out in the game is not bad and saying my predecessor did nothing also does not fit into the Amished tell. I also had Hephaestus in my modded game so I knew they disppeared and I knew they would have done nothing in this game.

If Reinoe doesn't flip scum then I will self-vote and park my vote their for the rest of the game. I don't think Redirector counts as normal so that is not an option for why I got a guilty.

REINOE IS SCUM!!! How is this not obvious. There is nothing scummy about how I claimed. The explanation on why reinoe claimed the same thing as me is sub-par. I am apparently a role cop, but why would I choose Reinoe to role cop as scum rather than an actual obviously town person? What would I gain from that? The answer is nothing.

[beastcharizard]

I would like to request that if there is a vig they don't kill me. I haven't had a chance to do anything yet and I promise I will be awesome tomorrow.

I don't break promises.

Reinoe, I am not active lurking. It is freaking thanksgiving week so I am busier than normal. I will get to stuff when I get to it.

That'll be awesome

I found scum. How is that not awesome? If you lynch me I will appreciate you admitting I am awesome for finding scum at the end of the game.

[beastcharizard]

I would like to request that if there is a vig they don't kill me. I haven't had a chance to do anything yet and I promise I will be awesome tomorrow.

I don't break promises.

Reinoe, I am not active lurking. It is freaking thanksgiving week so I am busier than normal. I will get to stuff when I get to it.

That'll be awesome

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meanwhile

VOTE: beastcharizard

I believe he is not a cop.
I believe he has no red check.

Can you give reasons for this?

[beastcharizard]

Have a few minor reads.

TSO seems mildly town. Toby and Tiershift feel town. (Tier feels quite town, in fact.)

Nero Cain looks a little suspicious. Cho feels like scum to me.

UNVOTE: Thor665
VOTE: Cho

This is the vote that I think is a bus. It is the best time to start trying to distance yourself from a teammate while a wagon won't actually start on them.

[beastcharizard]

@Beast

I know this wasn't @ me, but to set a baseline

Are you reading what I type?

Well I cant be sure about anyone else, but as I signed up to play the game, you can take that as sign on "

good faith

" that I did in fact sign up to play the game, and thus I am playing the game (not having a fit of pique) and i am reading every one of your posts several times.

Hence I have actual, mafia playing related questions....

You made these two posts (the first with no reasons at all) and yeah now you say that flags your red check in case you flipped later.

Finally read the game and these are my reads.

Scum:
Reinoe
goodmorning
AxleGreaser
Shiro

Leaning Scum:
Josh_B
[....]

You explain Reinoe thus (Which is consistent) and there dont have to reasons(scum hunting behind a red check)

Reinoe is just scum. Call it gut or whatever you want they just give me no town vibes what so ever.

However these were you playing mafia (not flagging checks).

This one is about me (please dont worry about OMGUS) I really like (often town read) townies scum reading me then explaining why.
What I don't like is scum, making up crap, then refusing to explain it.
So which do you want to be?

Axle had a post somewhere that screamed scum to me, I just don't remember which one it was. I will find it in due time.

Which post?
Where?
and how did it scream scum?

I also want you to explain this read/reason.

Shinobi is based off of the flipped WW. I found them most likely to be partner. It was really the early vote from said flipped WW that made me think that.

Confirm this referred to Shiro? Which vote and why?

There will very likely be more questions. When I get those answers.

Please note This: I wont really care if Reinoe flips scum, and you claimed cop and you claim you have a red check. While that will be some evidence that you are town, it is also true that(a maf flip) will mean the game is then (mod conf) MB, and that will then mean you really ought be in different team (WW,Town and SK?) are then still possible. So yes please don't look at your claimed blue PM and say OMGUS Axle is asking me questions to work out my alignment, that means he must be ...

because the answer you are looking for is, that means he must be ... conscious and playing the damn game.

Going to number quotes.

1. no reply needed
2. no reply needed
3. I was playing mafia there. I wasn't planning on claiming today but rather getting reinoe lynched by making it look like I had a really good case. I realized that my play yesterday probably took all credit away from myself and I didn't want to go a day or two more without a scum lynch. We are dropping quickly and I didn't expect but to get 2 inspects off before I died or game was over. I decided to claim after this post because we need the scum flip
4. I will find it for you.
5. Posted already

[beastcharizard]

V/LA until Monday the 1st of December

meant to post that already.

@Axel:

I totally lied about finding that post. At least for now. You have too freaking many posts for me to find it at this time. For now I will move you to null since I don't have said post to have a read off of. Also, your posts are really long. Like mastin long and I don't read 3/4 of mastin's posts in games.

[beastcharizard]

[..deletia..]
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meanwhile

VOTE: beastcharizard

I believe he is not a cop.
I believe he has no red check.

Can you give reasons for this?

Well given there are two reasons in the post, what is the question?

however here are new reasons

I totally lied about finding that post. At least for now. [...]

Well its a reason for now.

@Beast

Wow, how convenient that you just happen to be the same role that i claimed.

GM, I didn't want to put myself by calling reinoe mafia so I tried to get someone else to say mafia was in the game first so I didn't look look like a cop.

also please re write the bold above using more words.
(I guess about 3 times as many or more in at leats 3 sentences.) Ta.

@Beast

Do note I am also still waiting, for you to write in clearer way what you were thinking when you wrote the quoted (bolded above) "GM, I didnt..."

I understand real life gets in the way at times, I even understand that you were not going to find something in my filter that was unimportant enough that you forgot where it was and also have failed to even vaguely describe it... hmmm.

However not having found the time to even clarify what a single sentence that you recently said meant... that is more troubling. Smells like stalling.

I did rephrase in 4867.

@reinoe: I didn't have to look to know he did nothing. He literally was in my game for a long time and did nothing so it was a safe bet to know he did nothing. but I did go and look. I looked to see if I was a claimed role and to see if I could find any crumbs.

@guy who said my promise was antitown:

I need to get people to understand I am not lying and to lunch the scum. I am trying everything I can think of and yet we are still not lunging reinoe.

[beastcharizard]

So you misrepped the Amished tell, but not only that you tried to misrep the person who coined the phrase. It's right there.

Get out of here.

There is nothing scummy about saying your predecessor did nothing when they did nothing. He didn't criticize his predecessor as the word is meant in the quotes you are using. Saying they did nothing is not a criticism in terms of alignment which is how the Amished tell is applied.

Beast constantly complains about how he doesn't have time to get caught up, but why did he take the time to check on the status of his slot? How did he know his predescessor did nothing unless he checked first? Also why is Beast actively lurking and selectively choosing not to answer some questions and then choosing to answer others?

Did you not read the whole thing where I was pretending to not read?

[beastcharizard]

Eminently possible, given Thor's role.

So what I'm doing is a bus then, yeah?

@Beast
@Reinoe

Can both of you tell me why you opted not to target Boon with your investigation?

Because I thought i would have a better chance of a guilty on Reinoe rather than Boon. I like being the hero rather than clearing things up.

[beastcharizard]

Also why is Beast actively lurking and selectively choosing not to answer some questions and then choosing to answer others?

Which ones have a missed?

[beastcharizard]

are you saying out of the 4 claims, including 2 even night cops, you think that ...boon is the liar

TSO, you know I am town. You are one of like 5 people who I am afraid of reading me when I am scum. Please just vote Reinoe so we get a scum lynch.

[beastcharizard]

There is no way that Reinoe, as scum, would claim to have investigated me as 'not mafia', and get rid of a mislynch on me in that variety.

You are being blinded right now because Reinoe is calling you town. You are so excited that people might not lynch you. I understand the feeling and everything but you are being blinded.

Maybe it is obvious to me since I have the guilty result.

@everyone:
If I am lynched for some dumb reason, yall are going to flash lynch Reinoe tomorrow right?

[beastcharizard]

If I am lynched for some dumb reason, yall are going to flash lynch Reinoe tomorrow right?

If you flip even night cop - clearly yes.
If not - clearly no.

Why even ask this?

Because I am upset that reinoe isn't lynched yet. I don't care if I am taken down first, I just need a guarantee that reinoe is going down with me.

[beastcharizard]

I like being the hero rather than clearing things up.

Day killing mafia is the only way to be a true hero though

I am unfortunately just a even night cop so I can't daykill. Trust me if I could I would have shot reinoe yesterday.

[beastcharizard]

I claimed because my strategy wasn't working. I tried something new. I totally caught scum though so it wasn't a complete failure.

[beastcharizard]

Did you not read the whole thing where I was pretending to not read?

Wait, if you were pretending you weren't reading but you actually were then why did you ask about the position your slot was in...

What is everyone's read on my slot?

He did nothing. And that is the truth.

So then you didn't accidentally engage in Amished tell, you deliberately set it up. Like C'mon guys this is getting really obvious.

That was within the first day of me joining so now I hadn't read the whole game at that point. I was actually focused on my modded game then. When people were calling me out for not reading I was caught up though. Nice try though. Why are you fighting so hard for just 1 more night? You are obviously some sort of Scum PR with the fight you are putting up.

[beastcharizard]

@Beast - I will say I'm curious why you haven't engaged on this guilty/not guilty v. mafia/not mafia matrix.

Why doun't you clarify your role for us as specifically as you can?
What was your specific result?
What does your role say/not say as regards your ability to detect Werewolf v. Mafia?

I'm mildly confused why I'm the first one pushing for this clarification.

Everytime someone brings this up I just want to ask the mod to clarify but that would be a dick move because it would force the mod to tell everyone Reinoe is lying.

I can choose one person to investigate and get the results: "Your target is not guilty", "Your target is guilty" or "No Result"

My result was: "Your target is guilty"

It doesn't say anything about detecting mafia or werewolves it just says I choose someone to investigate and get back said results.

[beastcharizard]

This weekend is my birthday as yall will see sunday. I am just staying up super late tonight. I should already be sleeping.

There is no way to push the debate on results until one of us flips.

[beastcharizard]

If that is the case why were you in this post earlier fishing for someone else to say there is a mafia faction in the game?

I am under the assumption cops only find mafia.

[beastcharizard]

There is no way to prove the guilty/not guilty vs mafia/not-mafia result debate without a flip though. That is what I am saying.

And yes my plans did change.

[beastcharizard]

On the presumption that you are town - it was only not a complete failure because you drew a PR and pegged your shot right - and even then you were still obligated to claim to even get traction on your wagon because you had no ability to drive a wagon without said claim.

And this even ignores other ways you could have played it - but, meh, I think you could have done a lot better sans 'yay lurkage!' as an intentional plan, yes.

Forgot to address this. I only played this way BECAUSE I am a PR. I was trying to preserve my life as long as possible to be able to use my ability.

[beastcharizard]

Also why is Beast actively lurking and selectively choosing not to answer some questions and then choosing to answer others?

Which ones have a missed?

Reinoe is just scum. Call it gut or whatever you want they just give me no town vibes what so ever.

Thor is leaning town because of how Reinoe treats them. I don't see them being partners together.

goodmorning is interaction with Reinoe. At least one of the people in Reinoe's big question post around when they first came in has to be scum. We have eliminated Thor by interaction and goodmorning fits the bill greatly.

So you've scumread reinoe from gutfeels, then felt comfortable listing Thor and goodmorning as leaning town and scum respectively because of their interactions with said scumread? There's nothing at all from either of them that you felt was alignment-indicative?

They've both been far more active than reinoe, seeing as reinoe was a slot replacement. What about Day 1 stuff from gm/Thor?

This post was before I claimed I believe so after outing I have a guilty on you, all my associative things make sense. Activity means nothing to me if you can't already tell. What about Day 1 stuff? I feel I have a better chance of reading someone off the interaction with the known scum than I do individually.

So beast, if you have such a huge problem with asking "who is town"...

1) why did you do it?

2) why didn't you interrogate me about it?

I have already explained how what I did was different than what you did and so have others. Second I didn't interrogate you since I was going to be investigating you. I knew I would have my answer at night. I also needed you to think I was some incompotent fool so you wouldn't kill me and keep me around as a PL or Mislynch bait.

I'm conflicted about this, even though I normally just go with the first claim and really want to do so here as well.

There are things to be conflicted about.
Beast not answering my questions is one.
That looks shifty to me.

Best is avoiding answering anything really.(still hasnt explained how scripten vote on cho make me scum) (or post the post for that matter axl did)
Beast since you apparenly were faking being behind why did u vote dave? why was reinoe a scum read at the time in order to make him worth investigating over other people ?

The above doesn't directly involve you ignoring questions but I would like to point out it's been very noticable by the players who have been trying to engage with you.

I thought dave had a chance of being scum so I voted him. I have totally explained my reinoe scum read already. It doesn't change that much from end of day to when I claim.

I hope my replies are obvious in that quote.

Anything else I have missed?

[beastcharizard]

If that is the case why were you in this post earlier fishing for someone else to say there is a mafia faction in the game?

I am under the assumption cops only find mafia.

Thats funny (peculiar scummy)

earlier you thought this made reinoe scum

That is incorrect. Reinoe was getting onto me for asking if people thought there was mafia in the game even though I was a cop that finds mafia. They said that it was confirmed multi-ball now. They said their result was how someone in multiball gets results yet I don't ever remember them saying anything about how the game was multiball until after I claimed. They should have known their result type the whole game thus by their logic telling them it was multiball the whole game. So since they are a "cop" with that type of result they shouldn't have ever questioned multiball. That is using their logic not mine.

You'll all be happy to know that I got a not-mafia result on boonskies. Because that's how cops in multi-ball get results. Not in the forM of "guilty" "not guilty".

This post can literally only come from scum. Multiball can't be confirmed until a flip of mafia is seen. They know they are mafia so they know it is multiball.

and yet you were fishing for someone else to suggest there was mafia in the game? due to you being a cop?

[beastcharizard]

If I am lynched for some dumb reason, yall are going to flash lynch Reinoe tomorrow right?

If you flip even night cop - clearly yes.
If not - clearly no.

Why even ask this?

Err becuase he is not.

If he was it would not be a question he would even think about?
if he was a cop he could be smug in knowledge it would happen not be looking to make deals.

People have said they believed both our claims and neither of our claims. That means people still think we could both be town or scum. I don't need people going: "Reinoe is just dumb town fake claiming, lets keep him alive." or anything of the sort. Hell someone could suggest I didn't even inspect reinoe and the way this is going yall wouldn't even pursue the lynch tomorrow.

[beastcharizard]

I had a thought over the night which could be wrong:

Would leaving them both alive do anything? It makes scum waste a nightkill on potentially both of them, and only 1 faction can actually shoot the real Cop, which would then get their teammate quicklynched.

Yes it would piss me off. That is what it would do. WE HAVE A GUARANTEED MAFIA LYNCH! Why in your right mind would you want to skip over that?

[beastcharizard]

GUILTY is the result a cop gets! Cops inspect for MAFIA.

How is that not obvious?

[beastcharizard]

Show me all the games you got nightkilled Night 1 by scum for being too functional as town and I'll accept that as a valid move on your part.
Otherwise I do not, and consider it poor play.

I have no examples. I went through a slump as town where I just gave minimal effort but I lasted until almost the end of the game. When I noticed I could get far into the game like this I figured it would be good to test it as a PR. This is the first game I had teh chance to do this in. I think it didn't work as effectively since I replaced in rather than started the game. So it is going to be poor play to you. Everyone tries strategies that don't work out.

[beastcharizard]

Please go, pull up your role PM, re-read the entire thing, and then clarify that this is correct.
What do you detect for? The role PM should say - I am fine if the result is guilty/not guilty but "guilty of what?" should be in the role PM.
Please get me that info.

It doesn't say guilty for what. It just says I can choose someone and get the stated result. I looked at my role PM when I was first asked to clarify.

[beastcharizard]

GUILTY is the result a cop gets! Cops inspect for MAFIA.

How is that not obvious?

Cops could just as easily get results on SK (but we don't have one) or WW. It depends on the mod. You're obviously faking.

Show me a game where cops got results on WW. I didn't consider SK so that is a good point I guess.

[beastcharizard]

This all screamS gambit to me...

Why pick you though? No offense meant - but of all the available people to choose to 1 v 1 with as a gambit risk - why would you be amongst the top three choices?

Beast is making a sacrifice play. Either someone on his team or beast himself rolecopped me. He immediately tried to discredit our roles as the same. Look at all the credit he's being given for claiming first. Despite the fact that nothing about his play makes sense, getting him to clarify is like pulling teeth, he can't seem to keep track of whether he was not reading the thread or pretending to not read the thread. Finally his v/la activity is the exact same as his non-v/la activity. That's not scummy on its own but it's yet another strange thing on an ever increasing list of strange things about beast's play.

Using V/LA as a scum tactic is against the rules is it not? If it isn't then it is at least morally wrong to do. I had plans this weekend, they were changed so I have more time now but less time later.

[beastcharizard]

I had a thought over the night which could be wrong:

Would leaving them both alive do anything? It makes scum waste a nightkill on potentially both of them, and only 1 faction can actually shoot the real Cop, which would then get their teammate quicklynched.

Why would they shoot either in this situation? Able to mislynch on one of them, if I were scum I'd keep em both alive.

With that theory they would leave me open to getting more results which would be dangerous. Lets say we have a vig and they shoot me down the road and I flip but have been pushing only certain people or claiming my results. That would leave the game in a bad situation for scum.

[beastcharizard]

In what universe does guilty mean town?

Let me ask the mod for clarification.

[beastcharizard]

Just waiting on a reply now.

[beastcharizard]

I am a pro-gunsmith btw.

I think I would be called a gunsmith if I were one though.

Also, if I got a guilty on reinoe and I am a gunsmith that means...THEY HAVE A FREAKING GUN! What COP has a gun in mafia? Gun = can kill.

[beastcharizard]

I am 1 for 1 when I am a gunsmith so I am a pro. Gunsmith do see cops which was my mistake.

As soon as I get my clarification I will let you know.

[beastcharizard]

I will. I also won't play with this strategy again. At least not when I replace in.

[beastcharizard]

Can someone explain why an Even-Night Cop needs to check to see if their predecessor claimed any roles? I know I'm getting kinda drunk and will have to check out soon for the night but like wow, Beast has had a whole lotta scumslips.

Well I have seen a slot claim 3 different roles by 3 different people in said slot and it was a town slot. I needed to see if my predecessor left any crumbs to make my claim more meaningful. You can't deny crumbs someone made before I was in the game. Well you can but they are harder to dispute. Lastly if they had claimed after being run up i would have adjusted my play because my plan was to lay low and use my PR as to not get shot but as ah outed PR I should actually do something since i was probably going to die at night anyway.

[beastcharizard]

Also still not message from the mod.

[beastcharizard]

Can someone explain why an Even-Night Cop needs to check to see if their predecessor claimed any roles? I know I'm getting kinda drunk and will have to check out soon for the night but like wow, Beast has had a whole lotta scumslips.

Well I have seen a slot claim 3 different roles by 3 different people in said slot and it was a town slot. I needed to see if my predecessor left any crumbs to make my claim more meaningful. You can't deny crumbs someone made before I was in the game. Well you can but they are harder to dispute. Lastly if they had claimed after being run up i would have adjusted my play because my plan was to lay low and use my PR as to not get shot but as ah outed PR I should actually do something since i was probably going to die at night anyway.

But once again this doesn't make sense. You're saying your play is entirely self-conscience and you care almost exclusively about how your claim would come across. Like why the hell does a cop truly care about how their claim comes across? The only time I have trouble convincing people of a claim is when I'm faking. Seriously...

In MINI 1696 (THE GAME REFERENCED EARLIER) I fake claimed nurse. In mini 1600 I fake claimed cop guilty on someone. Those are the only times I've had trouble convincing people of a claim. I even claimed a customized role recently in NY 177, and even though it was a customized role people believed it because I was telling the truth. If your claim matches you play people believe it.

We all agree my plan yesterday was shit. Only some people are having a hard time believing me which is understandable since I did nothing PR like yesterday. All in all you are being lynched one way or another.

[beastcharizard]

because he irrationally thought playing his usual game would get him bulletss

Wouldn't that kind of paranoia come from scum worried about cross-kills?

Sure, if they knew the game was multiball. So there is the flaw in that logic.

[beastcharizard]

@Iza,

we haven't talked at all this game, and because of beast's fake-claim it looks like this could be it...
What do you think about Slandaar's behavior regarding Beast's claim and how he has been pushing this wagon on me?

What do you think about how he pushed the Dave mislynch and the aneninen mislynch?

Look at this ATE right here.

[beastcharizard]

I had to ask the mod another question as to make sure I am not breaking the rules. So yall have to wait until I get another answer.

[beastcharizard]

Well when the mod says I might be breaking the rules I would like clarification on it. I could just get myself modkilled and you get lynched today anyway if that is what you really want. Like this is out of my control.

[beastcharizard]

I am nto going to get myself modkilled that would be stupid.

I only get guiltys on non-town unless the person is a miller. I was not told if it was just mafia or Werewolf though. I guess we will find out when Reinoe flips.

[beastcharizard]

Actually it depends on the power of the Scum team and if there is a SK.

Not to mention, where does it state that there are only 3 people on a scum team? Just show me where it says that.

[beastcharizard]

I never claimed gunsmith.

[beastcharizard]

This is by far one of the most entertaining games I have been a part of on a while. Thank you all for this.

Lynching me is against town win con since I am the town cop but ok.

What I have gathered from all this: GM, reinoe and axle are on the same team. Shiro is likely to be on the same side as the flipped WW because he didn't ever disprove what I said but rather just said I was wrong.

[beastcharizard]

Also I trust Rei over Beast. Rei claims to have a not mafia on Boon. We have a ww flip. Shocking I think we have mafia and ww instead of sk. Why would that be

And when Rei flips something that isn't town even night cop what are you going to think?

[beastcharizard]

I was told about a rule that I could potentially break so I made sure I wasn't going to break it before responding. I don't think I can tell you what rule it was though.

[beastcharizard]

I just can't fathom why all the scum are just giving themselves up for my lynch. I just don't get it. Like the scum are so obvious after I flip or even after Reinoe flips.

[beastcharizard]

I already made a post of whom I know is scum.

Reinoe, Goodmorning and AxleGreaser are all on the same team. Shiro I am pretty sure is WW because of my subpar analysis and the fact that they never really responded to my accusation.

Boonskiis might fit in there somewhere but I like thinking he is just misguided town.

I mean you guys are just lining up like ducks in a row to be flash lynched. While I appreciate it, it kind of makes the game a little less fun. You all are banking on the fact that I am going to flip WW or something not town to save you asses. Well guess what! I am going to flip town so you all are done, toast, finished, finito.

[beastcharizard]

Nero the Hero knows this is town Beast so I doubt he will be switching his vote.

Something you will learn about me: 1. I do stupid shit that I think is brilliant. exibit A is my play here. 2. I don't plan very well by myself. 3. I am awesome

Reinoe, we both know you are going down tomorrow at the latest. If I am lynched I am flipping town so you are out of play time.

[beastcharizard]

I already made a post of whom I know is scum.

Reinoe, Goodmorning and AxleGreaser are all on the same team. Shiro I am pretty sure is WW because of my subpar analysis and the fact that they never really responded to my accusation.

Boonskiis might fit in there somewhere but I like thinking he is just misguided town.

I mean you guys are just lining up like ducks in a row to be flash lynched. While I appreciate it, it kind of makes the game a little less fun. You all are banking on the fact that I am going to flip WW or something not town to save you asses. Well guess what! I am going to flip town so you all are done, toast, finished, finito.

So now you are convinced it is MB?
And you know you know GM who is not voting for you is (on the same team but not WW, as you claim we expect you may flip WW)

also you know we are scum yet Thor who is voting you isnt... (presumably hes just wrong, but you have not clrified why you make the distinctions)

and Shiro is WW due to your sub par analysis? (WTF?)

and even though earlier you claimed this bargaining

You are right, I never once said that Thor was town because of how Reinoe was attacking him. Nope, not me. That was once again that fake beastcharizard that goes around pretending to be me. Damn that guy.

I came into today think I only got guilties on mafia since I was a cop but it was not specified until later that I may have mad a bad assumption with that assumption. And yes I think Shiro is WW based off of that single post. Am I going to persue that right now? Not a chance when I have confirmed scum to lynch first. I will sort out Shiro eventually myself. I may be wrong there, who knows.

@everyone:
If I am lynched for some dumb reason, yall are going to flash lynch Reinoe tomorrow right?

was related to this more realistic understanding of how towns react

People have said they believed both our claims and neither of our claims. That means people still think we could both be town or scum. I don't need people going: "Reinoe is just dumb town fake claiming, lets keep him alive." or anything of the sort. Hell someone could suggest I didn't even inspect reinoe and the way this is going yall wouldn't even pursue the lynch tomorrow.

you now claim

Well guess what! I am going to flip town so you all are done, toast, finished, finito.

and yes i expect, if as i guess you are scum WW, your partner may or may not bus you.
and if I am wrong and you are town, then while some of reinoes team mates may vote you others will hide doing nothing or even vote reinoe.

So you explanation of why is really rather absent.

So fine please explain which ones are which and why?

and what there is is rather incongruous with your earlier statements that understood townies might actually not believe your claim even after you flipped.

False bravado 101.

[beastcharizard]

Who am I scum with reinoe?

[beastcharizard]

When yall have some crazy concept that I am actually a WW then I could see that happening.

[beastcharizard]

Mod has posted since Beast claimed asking of second question.
Continued delay of answer is currently making me fine with my vote where it sits.

I did answer this question a couple times now. I was not told what faction of any o get results on but rather antitown people.

My second question was making sure I wasn't breaking the rules because I was told I could break them on accident.

[beastcharizard]

You are right, I never once said that Thor was town because of how Reinoe was attacking him. Nope, not me. That was once again that fake beastcharizard that goes around pretending to be me. Damn that guy.

I came into today think I only got guilties on mafia since I was a cop but it was not specified until later that I may have mad a bad assumption with that assumption. And yes I think Shiro is WW based off of that single post. Am I going to persue that right now? Not a chance when I have confirmed scum to lynch first. I will sort out Shiro eventually myself. I may be wrong there, who knows.

Hint if you break up quotes (by manually

inserting

[

quote] stuff you are quoting

[

/quote] .your stuff outside the slit up quote

[

quote]

rest of stuff you are quoting

[

/quote]
and put your reply outside the quote it is easier to deal with, that is if having a discourse is your aim.

Well id be embarrased to admit the reads you've been making too.

Thor is leaning town because of how Reinoe treats them. I don't see them being partners together.

and thus you claim know that Reinoe is in the only scum team? because you have ruled out Thor being scum on the other team

Spoiler: @thread. / funny ha ha or not

So bearing in mind that I claim beast is probably WW and reinoe is probably (but I think maybe a bit less probably) mafia.

Beasts read on Thor, is that as Beast thinks Thor is not on the same team as Reinoe then Thor must be town.
How could a possibly town Beast know that? (know that Thor is not on a different scum team to Reinoe) ... hint he cant.
How would WW beast know that? he looks at his WW pm and checks to see if Thor is in his team.

really actually funny.

Beast you consider thing outside of who is on your wagon in the case of Thor, yet for the rest of your reads, everyone thinking you are scum WW, is so unbelievable (for as yet unstated reasons) that you claim the rest of the people voting you are all scum?
That is hell of a bizzare basis for a read.

I was scum for one post out of 700+, that you have had no need to find again or verify that your interpretation that you claim screamed scum is in fact valid. Indeed it turned out to be such minor thing that when challenged about it, you wimp out...

I totally lied about finding that post. At least for now. You have too freaking many posts for me to find it at this time. For now I will move you to null since I don't have said post to have a read off of.

really you give me null gee wizz, you do understand i didn't actually give a rats about your read on me, except in the sense of finding out was it genuine misread or a fake expedient scum one.
Guess what offering to reduce it to null means...
especially when it tramps back up to OMGUS youre all scum proportions, when i scum read you.

It isn't like I came into today thinking you were scum of that reinoe was scum or that shiro was scum or that good morning was scum. Those all came after I claimed for sure and after all these vote counts.

Wait I did scum read all this people before that. Like my first post today said that I scum read them. Good case though. Full of good solid points about how I only scum read the people on my wagon. Wait, aren't you the one who pointed out GM isn't on my wagon? Man there goes your own theory.

[beastcharizard]

I can choose one person to investigate and get the results: "Your target is not guilty", "Your target is guilty" or "No Result"

My result was: "Your target is guilty"

It doesn't say anything about detecting mafia or werewolves it just says I choose someone to investigate and get back said results.

and yet after that more loosely again says

Yes it would piss me off. That is what it would do.

WE HAVE A GUARANTEED MAFIA LYNCH! Why in your right mind would you want to skip over that?

I like this find. I think it basically proves him to be scum.

What part of cop equates to mafia assumption doesn't make sense to you? People who find mafia are cops and people who find werewolves are seers. That is what is beat into my head so forgive the assumption.

[beastcharizard]

Why is beast town not in your scenarios axle?

[beastcharizard]

I dont regard Reinoes fake claim as automagically synonymous with scum. What should town with fake red check on them do? Even if that is what you claim town ought do, what do you think Reinoe would do?

@Beast - so you're saying you would get a 'guilty' on a Werewolf?

It is not out of the realm of possibility. From my understanding I am an anti-town cop. Which means I only get not guilty on town. This could still be SB technically.

[beastcharizard]

Because I thought they were scummy. I know everyone apparently thinks I should have targetted Boon but I like being the hero.

[beastcharizard]

He said I got guilties on anti-town entities. Mafia or WW or SK or anything like that was not specified. I do know I get a false guilty on Millers though. Doubt that helps.

The phrasing in which I was going to paraphrase I had checked because I didn't want to break the rules. I know we can paraphrase but I didn't want to use too much of what I had been told or something like that.

I have a guilty on Reinoe and either lynch today proves it. The more beneficial lynch is of course Reinoe because the scum will have to kill me eventually and if there are two factions it seems I am a threat to them both so who is to say they won't both shoot me or they won't both think they other will shoot me and let me have more results?

[beastcharizard]

@Nero So you do not find Beast ambigius way weird ?

Also I did say He did't retract his claim and said he is gs BUT He did let it be implied that it might be possible when he said that he is going to ask the mod for clarification about his role cause he is not sure what he is finding people guilty of.

You are an experienced person right ? Tell me wouldn't a pm be specific about what your role does ?

Also I trust Rei over Beast. Rei claims to have a not mafia on Boon. We have a ww flip. Shocking I think we have mafia and ww instead of sk. Why would that be

no not really.

Yes a WW has flipped so we know there's a WW faction. We have a second unaccounted kill. That kill either came from a mafia or an sk. please explain how you you can tell the difference between a mafia kill and an sk kill. 'Cause to me that seems impossible and this whole "we obviously have a mafia team and not an sk" looks more like an agenda than anything based in sound reasoning.

Beast is fake claiming a "guilty" on me and claims I'm mafia. Why aren't you showing any skepticism towards that?

How many times do I have to say I assumed cop = mafia guilties? It isn't like it was a jump in logic, it was a very good assumption. It just seems it was wrong.

[beastcharizard]

CLAIMING REAL ROLE!!!

I am really sorry I haven't caught up yet. Stupid math homework and real life.

I am not actually an even-night cop. I am actually a prime night cop. I can only investigate people on prime number nights. The best way I could think of to crumb is to say something about math, which I did in the above post.

That means last night was the first night I was able to investigate someone and tonight I can also investigate someone. I claimed Even-night because I figured the scum would keep me alive tonight so I could get a second result and be more useful to town before my inevitable death.

Now can we PLEASE lynch Reinoe.

[beastcharizard]

Look at my change in claim. It makes complete sense and it very logical. You can't deny that I am town anymore.

[beastcharizard]

Explain how it doesn't make sense.

[beastcharizard]

I wouldn't call what you did a meltdown reinoe.

[beastcharizard]

prime night cop

how about fucking no, beast

vote: beastcharizard

no idea if I was doing this already but seriously what the fuck

So you are going to lynch me because you don't like my actual role? Tell me how any of what I have done equates to scum me.

Think for a second TSO, I actually tried to crumb some sort of hint to this. Do you think I planned this all along as an elaborate claim change for town credit or is it more likely that what I said is true and that I claimed even night so I could be kept alive and get another result?

Also if I am kept alive scum have to shoot me or run the risk of being copped.

[beastcharizard]

Because your crumbing is shit and your claim magically happens to make you more useful than reinoe tonight.

And I have seen scum pull this shit before a la PA in fe. you were there too, fwiw.

When I have ever been good at crumbing and how the hell would you have liked me to crumb?

Also, would like to point out that I am not PA but rather: "I am me and no one else!"

TSO, you know I am town so why are you voting me?

ALso, I am more useful than reinoe in general because I am freaking TOWN!!!!

[beastcharizard]

What did you want me to do? Keep my real role a secret and get lynched then have the whole game be like: "WHy the hell didn't beast claim his real role? That was stupid. I would have believed him if he said he was a prime night cop." I wasn't going to let that happen. Prime night is an odd role variable so in general it is harder to believe which is why I tried to crumb it. I decided to not truthfully claim my modifier because I thought I would get Reinoe lynched then have another chance to find scum tonight.

I claimed my real role as a last resort so we at least get a scum lynch today and scum HAVE to shoot me tonight.

After we lynch reinoe the chances of me being alive are slim to none. There is a much greater gain from a reinoe lynch and a much greater loss from a me lynch. You should see that this is the case.

If I were scum this would literally be a suicide mission for no damn reason. I know I could have gotten out of being today's lynch as scum.

Also, you not seeing that I am town is going to fuck you over right now today.

If I am not dead tomorrow then we can lynch me for all I care. I just want the reinoe lynch today. I probably won't live to tomorrow anyway because I have caught half the scum team already and they need me to be shut up.

[beastcharizard]

I claimed my real role as a last resort so we at least get a scum lynch today and scum HAVE to shoot me tonight.

If its MB which team would have to shoot you?

If I were scum this would literally be a suicide mission for no damn reason. I know I could have gotten out of being today's lynch as scum.

I dont know that, indeed as you were at L-1 and as you pointed out GM was all up for lynching you, you appeared to be on tic toc time for me.

Also

What the actual fuck.

I know I could have gotten out of being today's lynch as scum.

So as scum you claim you know you could have got out of the lynch and so .... we would have lynched... err Aegor? no wed have lynched Reinoe and you *

know

* you could have done that as scum?

Pray tell.

Why didnt you do that as town?

another scum claim....

My goal as scum would have been to not be lynched. My goal as town is to get scum lynched hence why I claimed when I did and what I did. You wouldn't have lynched Reinoe without me claiming and you know it.

[beastcharizard]

If its MB which team would have to shoot you?

If there are two then it would be both. There might just be one, only flips will tell.

[beastcharizard]

That was to TSO! You can't just choose that my messages are at you.

[beastcharizard]

WIFOM is probably true no matter what.

Lets go with the scenario that we lynch Reinoe. Reinoe flips scum so we at least know I am not on Reinoe's team. I made the assumption reinoe was mafia at first, but lets say that reinoe flips WW. What then?

Lets say I get another guilty tonight. I would have already gotten one scum lynched so a second one would have to confirm that I am at least some type of cop. If they aren't the same team then it is impossible for me to be scum.

If this is SB then I will never be in the clear until we win or I am lynched and flip town.

[beastcharizard]

I have a problem about not addressing posts to people.

[beastcharizard]

What do I have to do to get reinoe lynched?

[beastcharizard]

Ok, so what you are saying is you would rather take out the faction that HAS to shoot for the other team rather than the faction with more people? How does that make any sense in your scenario? You are saying you want to take out someone who is trying to help the town by shooting scum.

Also, I have a guilty. There isn't anything more convincing for a lynch in my book.

[beastcharizard]

Why did you ask for said extension?

[beastcharizard]

Nero the Hero is at it again.

That is my new name for Nero.

[beastcharizard]

And if this isn't multiball?

Also, why is my prime-number cop not part of your explanations? I mean it is my actual role so you should put it in your explanation.

I am at the point where I would give something up for reinoe to get lynched. The only thing they have really said is that if they are lynched it is going to be a study of what all town takes as a fake claim. The thing is, that Reinoe is doing the opposite and seeing how much bs scum can spew in order to get out of a cop guilty lynch.

I have never heard of someone lynching the cop to find out if they guilty is true rather than lynching the guilty to see if the cop is true. How often do people fake guilties?

[beastcharizard]

Derpiest mislynch ever. Very valuable info learned about fake claiming.

I don't understand why you are keeping up the facade. You are already lynched. Just say I got you and be done with it.

[beastcharizard]

I enjoyed this game. GG to all and thanks for Modding Aegor

I am content with how I played but I would appreciate people critiquing things I did. Like how to effective claim a role like mine. I know I fake claimed originally but I didn't want to flip and then everyone scream at me for fakeclaiming. The fear of everyone being mad I fake claimed out-weighed my presumed benefit from said fakeclaim. Also, I know my play annoyed at least 1 person in the game.

[beastcharizard]

One of things I got by kicking your wagon did was make me pretty sure, that if sometime you flipped scum the gambit had not been your idea so Id be looking for an experienced partner...

I am more likely to think of a gambit and do it then to take advice to do a gambit. You aren't the first person to think that I was scum gambiting but that it wasn't my idea.

Also, dont' know if I said this in the dead thread but Aegor made me super paranoid about saying anything about my role because when I asked he mentioned to me not to break any of the rules.

I also know that I didn't do things the orthodox way and that obviously people are going to oppose it. It is part of how I play and people ALWAYS oppose me when I claim a guilty. It is 90% of the time town opposing me as well.

Also, I think I got the gist of what you were saying.