NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

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Post Post #6300  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:21 pm

I am debating in my head whether Nero is Mafia and our hood was 2 town 1 wolf 1 mafia - I was clearing Nero before on the neighbourhood, but I'm not doing that anymore.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso" -Marquis

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Post Post #6301  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:22 pm

Pine and I are on Thor, Nero is on Boon, Boon is on Pine, Thor and Slandaar are on no-one.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso" -Marquis

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Post Post #6302  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:30 pm

In post 6299, T S O wrote:One of Thor or Boon has to be scum, and here's why:

There are 3 Neighbourhoods -
5 player - Anen, goodmorning, Izariael, Shiro, Boon
4p - Scripten, dave, TSO, Nero
3p - Egg, Thor, Pere

I don't think that both the 5 -and- the 3 player hoods were all town. One of Thor and Boon is scum.

:neutral:

Here's a more interesting thought and why I am currently thinking Pine is not Mafia.

There are 2 flipped Mafia - 0 neighbors.
There is 1 flipped Wolf - 1 neighbor.

I am currently suggesting that the unflipped mafia (who is likely a Goon as is the flipped Wolf) is a Neighbor - as Mafia currently lacks a neighbor.
Ergo - people who are not neighbors are not the last Mafia.

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Post Post #6303  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:31 pm

boon-town
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pine-wolf
slandaar/thor-wolf
slandaar/nero-mafia
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Post Post #6304  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:31 pm

Thor, I agree. Meaning we lynch Pine toDay.
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Post Post #6305  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:32 pm

@TSO - Hint: it is also supporting evidence on my Pine/Slandaar = Wolves theory.

@Boon - why not lynch Slandaar? Why do you not suspect him?

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Post Post #6306  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:32 pm

In post 6302, Thor665 wrote:
In post 6299, T S O wrote:One of Thor or Boon has to be scum, and here's why:

There are 3 Neighbourhoods -
5 player - Anen, goodmorning, Izariael, Shiro, Boon
4p - Scripten, dave, TSO, Nero
3p - Egg, Thor, Pere

I don't think that both the 5 -and- the 3 player hoods were all town. One of Thor and Boon is scum.

:neutral:

Here's a more interesting thought and why I am currently thinking Pine is not Mafia.

There are 2 flipped Mafia - 0 neighbors.
There is 1 flipped Wolf - 1 neighbor.

I am currently suggesting that the unflipped mafia (who is likely a Goon as is the flipped Wolf) is a Neighbor - as Mafia currently lacks a neighbor.
Ergo - people who are not neighbors are not the last Mafia.

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Yeah, probably true. So Slandaar and Pine aren't Mafia.

What a pity it is Pine didn't stick with that claim of his.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso" -Marquis

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Post Post #6307  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:35 pm

I still felt that he could be mafia, but you gave a good argument, I guess. I did suspect him, as I said either you or him were the last wolf. If that's the case, we should just lynch Pine. We all universally agree pretty much that he is the wolf. Actually, you make a good point about mafia probably being in one of the neighborhoods. I don't think you'd bring it up if you were mafia, which helps me have even more confidence in my Nero mafia read.

Pine/Slandaar, Nero. = scum. let's lynch Pine.
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Post Post #6308  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:36 pm

In post 6306, T S O wrote:What a pity it is Pine didn't stick with that claim of his.

I actually agree - if he was town it was an idiot gambit that does nothing. If he's scum, then he sure as hell shouldn't have backed off of it - it was good Wolf play.

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Post Post #6309  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:37 pm

My working theory could also explain why Slandaar got a burr up his backside when I kept pointing out how badly scum chose their shots.

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Post Post #6310  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:37 pm

It doesn't justify Nero's power fail game avoidance though.

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Post Post #6311  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:37 pm

There can only be max one Mafia neighbour, so it makes sense there can only be one Wolf neighbour. And that was Scripten.

So. everyone in the hoods are now clean ...?
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Post Post #6312  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:38 pm

Well, that would make it Pine/Slandaar.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso" -Marquis

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Post Post #6313  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:38 pm

We agree that he's the lynch? Have to convince Slandaar or Nero to vote him, though...ugh.

@TSO - No, everyone in the hoods are not clean. We don't have that mafia neighbor flip yet.
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Post Post #6314  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:39 pm

for today's lynch, you meant. My bad. Yes, they are clean.
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Post Post #6315  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:39 pm

This is EXACTLY like Completely Ridiculous where I fucked up in LyLo when I was the only town player posting and after days of Cephrir and AngryPidgeon posting I finally lost it and voted town.

But it all seems so clean and logical.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso" -Marquis

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Post Post #6316  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:40 pm

I would bet there is a Mafia neighbour. If there's a Wolf neighbour, there's a Mafia neighbour.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso" -Marquis

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Post Post #6317  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:40 pm

In post 6307, Boonskiies wrote:I still felt that he could be mafia, but you gave a good argument, I guess. I did suspect him, as I said either you or him were the last wolf. If that's the case, we should just lynch Pine. We all universally agree pretty much that he is the wolf. Actually, you make a good point about mafia probably being in one of the neighborhoods. I don't think you'd bring it up if you were mafia, which helps me have even more confidence in my Nero mafia read.

I reversed a wagon on Pine to lynch Flubber and also reversed a semi wagon on Beast to lynch Reinoe - my chance of being Mafia is immensely minimal at this stage. Even DGB could see it, and when DGB clears thor os something you might as well mint it as pure obvious.

In post 6307, Boonskiies wrote:Pine/Slandaar, Nero. = scum. let's lynch Pine.

Explain the Nero = Mafia thing.
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Post Post #6318  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:41 pm

I was, at one stage, thinking 4 scum in the neighbourhoods - so Scripten ww, Nero Mafia, Boon and Thor one or the other, but no.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso" -Marquis

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Post Post #6319  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:41 pm

In post 6315, T S O wrote:This is EXACTLY like Completely Ridiculous where I fucked up in LyLo when I was the only town player posting and after days of Cephrir and AngryPidgeon posting I finally lost it and voted town.

But it all seems so clean and logical.

I will admit my paranoia is looking the gift horse in the mouth right now.
It feels too clean.

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Post Post #6320  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:41 pm

WAITT!!!! PINE CAN'T BE A VT LIKE HE CLAIMS!!!

there are 8 spots not in the neighborhoods.

2 are VT, 2 are town PR's, 2 are mafia slots that have flipped. The final two are werewolf slots. Pine/Slandaar are the werewolf team. no doubt about it.
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Post Post #6321  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:42 pm

Let's get derp Slandaar to at least full claim - I'd like to be looking at all the cards on the table now rather than tomorrow. This is functional lylo for town so all claims should be in.

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Post Post #6322  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:43 pm

In post 6319, Thor665 wrote:
In post 6315, T S O wrote:This is EXACTLY like Completely Ridiculous where I fucked up in LyLo when I was the only town player posting and after days of Cephrir and AngryPidgeon posting I finally lost it and voted town.

But it all seems so clean and logical.

I will admit my paranoia is looking the gift horse in the mouth right now.
It feels too clean.


Do you think Aegor would make the set-up symmetrical like that?
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso" -Marquis

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Post Post #6323  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:43 pm

In post 6320, Boonskiies wrote:WAITT!!!! PINE CAN'T BE A VT LIKE HE CLAIMS!!!

there are 8 spots not in the neighborhoods.

2 are VT, 2 are town PR's, 2 are mafia slots that have flipped. The final two are werewolf slots. Pine/Slandaar are the werewolf team. no doubt about it.

Welcome to the conversation already in progress?

I'd like your Nero case now - unless you're dropping it to sheep my game analysis.
Heck - even if you're dropping it I'd like to hear it.

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Post Post #6324  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:43 pm

In post 6322, T S O wrote:
In post 6319, Thor665 wrote:
In post 6315, T S O wrote:This is EXACTLY like Completely Ridiculous where I fucked up in LyLo when I was the only town player posting and after days of Cephrir and AngryPidgeon posting I finally lost it and voted town.

But it all seems so clean and logical.

I will admit my paranoia is looking the gift horse in the mouth right now.
It feels too clean.


Do you think Aegor would make the set-up symmetrical like that?

I have no mod meta awareness of him - do you?

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