—Mini 1635— Curse of the Werewolves: Game Over

[Titus]

@All can someone explain the vc to me?

[Titus]

Ok just skimmed Andrius's ISO. Why is he wagoned? Who is/was the counter wagon and why?

[Titus]

So difficult to get into this.

[Titus]

Link?

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What does it mean to be a suicidal day cop? Is that a desperado?

[Titus]

Why doesn't pine just day cop our lynch of choice? If it's scum we lynch. If not we get a lot of information for the next lynch.

[Titus]

Why can't we force him to wagon our lynch wagon that isn't him? If he's full of shit, he still has to confirm said players alignment. If he's telling the truth, we get more information. So what's the harm if we dictate the second use?

[Titus]

@ABR/PV, that's obviously wrong game. I have 0 votes here.

[Titus]

VOTE: Who

Pine you better check FourTrouble. He looks town to me. We can verify you and FT at the same time.

[Titus]

I do not like an FT lynch until Pine cops him. If Pine gets a guilty, I will move. He's a day cop so I don't see why a result has not occurred.

[Titus]

VOTE: FourTrouble

7 hours.

[Titus]

Four Trouble is at L minus one.

[Titus]

Victor and Titus votes are scummy as anything I've ever seen. I have a real bad feeling.

WE HAVE SEVEN HOURS LEFT!

Hammer.

[Titus]

Read the thread during night phase. A proper wall takes longer than 7 hours.

[Titus]

Plus I have to fucking babysit this thread to get a lynch.

[Titus]

farside you're going to be around all day?

Yea, I'm around all day.
I'm giving him 1 more hour.
Not happy with this lynch.

Nor am I but this ending gave me a pretty strong ABR scum read due to his passively pushing no lynch. This flip should tell me a lot more about the rest.

[Titus]

I waited to see if you were going to express any kind of read of FT. Now that he's hammered, nice comment about how you're not happy about his lynch, daftly done, Titus.

I already said I did not want to lynch FT. Hence why I voted Who.

[Titus]

I'm not sure whether I'm going to target anyone tonight, but I may, so I'm going to go ahead and crumb my hypo-target.

e: Southern Gothic (pirate mollie + telltaleheart hydra)
i: All is Who (Who + Jingle hydra)
a: PeregrineV
o: Gilgamesh King Of Heroes Flames682
n: farside22
L: Andrius
s: VictorDeAngelo
h: Albert B. Rampage
d: Iecerint
r: Nachomamma8
t: Pine
c: Titus Konowa
u: FourTrouble

The second letter of my flavor name given a flip will correspond to my target, should I choose to target anyone.

Good idea. We should all do this.

[Titus]

n. Southern Gothic (pirate mollie + telltaleheart hydra)
F. All is Who (Who + Jingle hydra)
E. PeregrineV
d.Gilgamesh King Of Heroes Flames682
V. farside22
A. Andrius
Y. VictorDeAngelo
r. Albert B. Rampage
S. Iecrint
O. Nacho
T. Pine
A. Titus Konowa

Look at the second letter of the second word of my flavor. capitalization is irrelevant.

[Titus]

^^ Flavor name

[Titus]

We can piece together night actions post flip. We can also hide PRs. Pretty good actually. It also prevents fake guiltiest by scum for the most part.

[Titus]

I think Pine's

fakeclaim

is maybe a good place to start if you want an "event."

There's also this post that motivated her to ask for the link. Bold added.

I guess she could have thought I meant it rhetorically.

I thought you were being snide when calling it a fake claim. :facepalm. I almost never read when I sub in. Reactions and flips work better.

[Titus]

I don't get the encryption.

The only innocents are bodies.

Titus is scummy for not not reading the thread - if she actually read she would know that the daycop was fake. Also not providing reads. No Lynch is a horrible idea.

It is pretty evident you do not.

The idea is if we have a PR flip, we know exactly what they did.

[Titus]

I'm not doing the silly crumbing targets thing because I'm not going to look at my role PM to figure out letters or anything. And I think it's dumb.

If I have targets, you can go ahead and work them out based on my behavior in thread. If I don't have targets it's a goddamned waste of time, and the process of thinking up realistic targets would take too much effort. I'm not scum this game, so I don't care to exercise my scum talents.

~BooKitty.

I am terrible with crumbs and the whole thing takes like two minutes. I used a random letter generator for mine.

[Titus]

I never read to catch up. Period. Nine tenths of it is garbage. I use VCA. I want to lynch on the day one wagon on FourTrouble ATM.

[Titus]

Andrius, Southern Gothic, PeregrineV, Iecerint, Pine, All is Who, VictorDeAngelo, Titus, Albert B. Rampage

^ We should lynch in there. While I suspect there's probably scum on and off the wagon, wagon analysis is more helpful.

[Titus]

So many claims to process...

[Titus]

So many claims to process...

Do you have an opinion based on what's been put forth in thread so far, or...?

I have to process and see how it works with mine.

FYI, I did not act lastnight.

[Titus]

Not really. There is still exactly one claim, plus softclaims, many of which were already soft during D1.

I cannot find sodtclaims.

[Titus]

I cannot find Farside's claim.

I have no issue with SG's claim beyond the hypertechnical "the" issue. My pm is formatted Food + Something so FoodTracker makes sense to me.

[Titus]

I have no issue with SG's claim beyond the hypertechnical "the" issue. My pm is formatted Food + Something so FoodTracker makes sense to me.

Food + [classic], as explained in Iecerint's post?
Or Food + something you wouldn't find on the wiki?

Food + Not Wiki

[Titus]

I'm also surprised you didn't comment at all on mollie's reaction to the push on her.
You didn't find it odd at all...?

I am working from what we know with roles first then to actions.

[Titus]

I have no issue with SG's claim beyond the hypertechnical "the" issue. My pm is formatted Food + Something so FoodTracker makes sense to me.

Food + [classic], as explained in Iecerint's post?
Or Food + something you wouldn't find on the wiki?

Food + Not Wiki

Mollie's claimed role is Food + Wiki.
Every other softed's role is Food + NotWiki.

What do you think of that?

Nothing. I doubt the mod gives a fakeclaim that stands out.

I am more concerned that I have not dug out what she did.

[Titus]

VOTE: ABR

I am seeing an ABR and Farside team here. Not sure how to articulate it though.

My role is sorta similar to a less common wiki role.

I see the point on checking the dead guy for his reads.

[Titus]

Keeping mine the same unless I have time to update.

[Titus]

Who's claim gives me bad vibes...

[Titus]

Who's claim gives me bad vibes...

Titus, <3 But... You're gonna lynch me about 3 days after hell freezes over, so, good luck with that. I'd suggest shooting me, it's far easier.

~Chevre

I am more a catch and release kinda gal.

[Titus]

Icerint, I know who you targeted. I wound up blocking you. My role is a bit of a gamble. It blocks either the target or the first person who visited said target. I was hoping to block your target (which I can say if you think I'm bluffing), or the target. I was thinking no one in their right mind would actually visit the target, so this was very very bad. There's a downside, you likely cannot act tonight either. It's very powerful but risky.

The target does match my flavor.

@Andrius, how convienent, you look as if you went digging for that the night before the flip.

[Titus]

Derp that came out awkward...

Either I block my target or someone who visited them. The person who is blocked then cannot act on that night or the following night while they recover.

[Titus]

I'm a Food Trapper. I targeted ABR.

It would either block ABR or whoever targeted him. It's a one shot ability, hence why I didn't use it last night.

I didn't think anyone would target ABR, so it was a safebet as any. I can't just run around and ask, "Hey who are you going to target?". That's precisely why I knew ABR was Iecrint's target. I placed a trap onto ABR's front door.

The flavor is a bear trap designed to catch werewolves. As of last night, I thought ABR was the general misread of the group, reading him as town when he's scum, so blocking him was ideal.

[Titus]

Besides, if scum deliberately blocked you Iecrint, claiming it is pretty fucking stupid.

[Titus]

My role is essentially like a roleblocker or rolestopper so when Mollie claimed a regular role, I figured it made a lot of sense. *shrug* I was wrong, so I'm re-evaluating a bit.

[Titus]

@Mod, Please just accept his forfeit.

@ABR, my role is very swingy. I hit our cop role with my only shot. That being said, you weren't as good as you thought you were. I did indeed catch you. Plus, knowing that Iec was blocked, you could have deliberately no killed. That buys you a mislynch. Given his flip wasn't fully revealed, you argue the game is lowvpower and Iec was self-aggeandizing. That fits more with an OP town and gets Pine on board most likely.

There were ways to win. A scumteam also benefits from having just one face.

[Titus]

Well I guess that's the ability of town!Titus make scum go nuts.

[Titus]

Vote: ABR

Your roles were designed to fuck with PoE. Do not blame us for you not being a good setup speccer.

[Titus]

I guess it is okay to post here now since the mod called the game.

also

@ mod - it is okay with this head if you our pt.

I think it was swingy too. If you randomized the role allocation again, I'm sure it would be fine, but the scum team was weak. I hate playing scum and my partners didn't seem to have any interest in it either.

I am sorry abr I truly am. I don't think I made it clear how nacho can read me like a book and vice versa the difference being that he can actually get me lynched while I 99% of the time can't on him.

sometimes

i can somehow manage to sneak past him but not for very long and only if he is in a hydra. main on main, hell no. we are good friends and know each other inside and out and mebbe I shld have stressed that. throw in andy whom I adore and was excited to see back and a hydra partner who went awol due to the holidays family activities which is understandable but it spelt a recipe for molliescum disaster. throw in iceyrent whom i also adore and who as well and ffs lemme just out that I am scum and be done with it already.

I hate playing scum i am simply not good at it. most people wanna lynch me for playstyle alone regardless of alignment but I have a couple of town markers that are reeeeeaaally hard to fake as scum even tho god knows I keep trying cos I hate being a liability to my team. I DID manage to play 1 decent scumgame in a recent newbie tho so mebbe there is hope. I feel like this was a game where scum wld have benefited from daytalk due to the swinginess but yeah our team was pretty weak mostly due to us not knowing each other and town pretty much did.

also i suck at set up spec. the choices were hard for me to wrap my mind around and i certainly cld not anticipate what fire power town had altho with the 20 billion special tells dropped I figured town were stacked. tth is pretty awsum at set up spec and plus I feel like even tho a newb, her scumgame is much better than my own the timing just sucked and this was our first game as a hydra but hopefully won't be our last. I did ask anti to pester her IRL to get in here cos I knew I was flailing like mad which isn't alignment indicative for me unless you know me.

also I want to say this

and if you read nothing else in this post plz read this

, I was once in a game where the scumteam ratio was 1:5 (offsite) with a sk who was my mafia mentor and I had lost my entire freaking team at d2 daybreak facing a literal wall of town specials. I pretty much felt like giving up at that point but the sk (who obvsly knew I was scum) gave up when a player he was grooming for endgame replaced out and just decided to help me and woo hoo! he had a daykill too! but I remember feeling demoralized on d2 facing a wall of specials (there were 14 town left...yeah) and just wanting to give up and then the gm told me something that I will never ever forget:

even if you know you are going to lose sometimes you just have to decide to give town a good game

and that is what I did (despite fucking up my safeclaim) and against all odds I won! in a 4 player lylo with a vengeful townie. but that was a unique situ where it was a 24 hour day rounds and plurality lynches.

I think you greatly underestimate yourself. I think you cld have either pulled it off or come really damn close. just don't give up next time okay? I think at least for me, it is sometimes better to lose your scummates early (altho with this set up with the info we had, not really) cos i don't know about you but I tend to throw off a shitload of associatives w/o wanting to. I think you are better than that.

@ iceyrent - I spotted the drop altho albert already picked up on it in our pt but he thought you were hiding behind pine cos pine claimed food but in hindsight I shld have given this more attention and probably been assertive with it.

THANK YOU FOR THE GAME SHADOWMOD!

100% agree with this. I play until the final whistle. Always.

[Titus]

If I can anyway, being outed obvscum is fun.

[Titus]

Titus game plan is always to attack me whatever alignment he is, some things never change lol

Titus have you ever townread me, in any game at all?

Titus you're a bad player overall who's sole strategy is to attack me as either alignment.

Be a better sport.

[Titus]

I see it like a chess game. If it's mate in 4 moves, you tip your king over and concede. Playing it out is a waste of everyone's time.

Wrong. If you can convince town they have bishops imstead of knights you win. It is a chess match but resigning never works.

[Titus]

Titus, the fact that you even need to respond to that is pathetic, go see yourself out whenever you're ready.

Look, you have every right to be frustrated but don't act like I cannot scumhunt. Given the amount if bullshit I face every game, I would like people to say good job on catching me rather than insulting me.

[Titus]

ABR, I have gotten better than you give me credit for. I spotted you with practically zero rolerelated knowledge as I had difficulties getting into the game.

Given Iecrint did target ABR, I am pretty sure I could have convinced him I was town.

If I would have targeted you N1, it would have been a different game too. I had you pegged from that point.

[Titus]

Players like you who think you are better than me make me dread role pms.

[Titus]

Dread town role pms sometimes.

[Titus]

*eyeroll* I tunnelled you and BBT in that game.

This game it was you and Andy.

I generally can catch a one scum one town pool based on analysis and PoE the scumteam to a particular group.

Yet, you just be content that Titus is guessing derpy and insane. We all have off games. It is ok.

We will rematch sometime. Just don't assume I am insane or dumb luck. If you're game now, there's a game in Central Park that has the deadline held.

[Titus]

Mod, none of our roles were Food + Wiki Role, Food Inspector would have made SG's fakeclaim 100% better.

That being said, I really enjoyed the game.

[Titus]

Fake claims are not required. I won a game with zero fake claims.

[Titus]

@Shadowmod, I never read upon catching up. Period. I read based on the interactions I have with people. If something feels off, that player gets a scumread until I can get enough hard evidence. That would be VCA. On Day 1, I tend to come off like a crazy loon (but one of my reads will be right). On Day 2, the grip narrows. By day 3, I can have a decent scumpool narrowed. By day 4 (if we have a scum lynch), I can get a pool with all scum in it.

This game didn't last until the point where I looked sane. Then again, I usually get NKed by that point.

Mafia is a game of PoE and deduction. If you can give the town false information, you fool them more often than not. I'd rather have an information fucking role than a fake claim any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[Titus]

I tend to be that way bc I approach the game from a what would scum do perspective.