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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:22 pm

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First!

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Post Post #56 (isolation #1) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:28 am

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In post 9, eyestott wrote:Guille, why get rid of cop?

Pointless power is pointless. It also can generate lots of reactions when others freak out about a cop getting discarded. Did you vote for RVS or for the Cop card?
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Post Post #65 (isolation #2) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:48 am

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So, Diego is scum.

Let me check the vote counts.

2 reasons.

The discard is crappy, but could have used it as alignment. Esp pointed it out.

His reaction to my "Cop" discard was Meh. Not like Eystott or Esp. Christmas didn't even noticed. Diego understood it as an actual cop power (By the manner of his response) and dismissed it casually as if I had a better reason to picking something else.
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Post Post #67 (isolation #3) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:49 am

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In post 61, Diego1487 wrote:I'm really not following. I didn't want the evangelistic power role, and I already had a card for town alignment.

What card did you use for town alignment?
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Post Post #68 (isolation #4) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:53 am

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Vote Diego


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Post Post #73 (isolation #5) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:54 am

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discarding a Cop is a huge deal.

Discarding a Vanilla Cop is the right thing to do.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #6) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:55 am

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In post 70, Espeonage wrote:Not to mention that Alch is 98% completely totally town.

I'd say about 78% but 85% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #7) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:05 am

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In post 82, Diego1487 wrote:Ok, claiming before hammered. I'm town cop. My other two cards were Cop and Mason.

I totally had those cards on my first roll. Mason and Cop.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #8) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:06 am

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There was a lover behind them though.
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Post Post #98 (isolation #9) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:11 am

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So, What are the likelyhoods of that being a good strategy?
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Post Post #100 (isolation #10) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:11 am

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Post Post #101 (isolation #11) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:12 am

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The Crumb is good. Let me think.
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Post Post #105 (isolation #12) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:16 am

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1.4% chance of the two cops cards to show up.

it is a good idea for Scum to crumb that early.

I think its best to let Diego Live for tonight.
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Post Post #109 (isolation #13) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:20 am

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In post 103, Espeonage wrote:Still leaves my original two points unexplained and fits perfectly in timing with those points.

Have you considered that he is a newbie?

Also, if he is scum, then unless there is only one scum team in the game, the other scum would want to take him out asap. They have to split their shot three ways tonight unless your wrong about that 2%.

If he is Town and true, then we got some good things in play.

I want to know who choose non-town last game. I didn't.
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Post Post #113 (isolation #14) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:23 am

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In post 106, Espeonage wrote:And this still doesn't cover;
1. Why he took Cop when he didn't think it was that big of a deal when he also had MASON. and
2. Why he wouldn't just take Mason from those cards in the first place which is the stronger role.

I wold have taken Cop rather than Mason. I actually did take Cop over Mason in my last roll. I don't see how mason is a better role. And Any Newbie would think like that.
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Post Post #114 (isolation #15) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:24 am

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alright you have convinced me.

VOTE: Diego
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Post Post #115 (isolation #16) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:25 am

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But can't we wait for those that haven't posted to voice their opinion. I promise I'll let you hammer!
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Post Post #117 (isolation #17) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:27 am

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yeah, and I just realized the potential of this game being very heavy on scum.
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Post Post #118 (isolation #18) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:28 am

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so Esp, Anybody else that you don't like?
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Post Post #198 (isolation #19) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:26 pm

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I wasn't convinced that he was scum. I thought that all the time, Well maybe I wavered it a bit when I saw the Crumb. I wanted to wait for those that did not show up to post their remarks. But I was convinced that it would have been detrimental to the game if we waited. I don't think that Esp and Eyestott where wrong in thinking like that so I let it be.

ESP is town. Eyestott is Town too, but he could have still been scum. Remember that he could still be a cop but anti-town alignment. However, His v0te test makes me think that he wanted to honestly test Diego, for which makes me think Eyestott is more likely town than not.

Trow is town because he discarded a "SureWin" card. Gets lynched and everyone on his team wins. Not sure if he would have won himself (Maybe selfvoting), but we can ask Micc if there is any doubt.

That leaves Alchemist and TheSlimer.

And since there is nothing better than a Vanillanizer for scum, That leaves Slimer as scum.

The problem is that If Lynching Slimer keeps the game going. Which would mean that either ESP and Eyestott is the last scum.

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Post Post #200 (isolation #20) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:32 pm

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Lynchbait (If you are lynched, any and all Lynchers immediately win)
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Post Post #201 (isolation #21) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:33 pm

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Or those that just mean the Lynching Vote?
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Post Post #205 (isolation #22) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:36 pm

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Oh, Ok, I thought it meant those on the Lynch wagon! Well, then disregard that assertion then.
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Post Post #206 (isolation #23) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:43 pm

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In post 202, Espeonage wrote:My problem guille is that your softclaim fits with the kills, but doesn't fit with the game. Why were there only two kills last night?


mafia and Werewolves or aliens and werewolves, But I think Aliens don't kill at night or something, can't remember. Why wouldn't it fit with the Kills.
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Post Post #274 (isolation #24) » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:57 am

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In post 236, theslimer3 wrote:If we no-lynch and tell Guille not to shoot, then we'll have 5 of us, confirm a non-mafia, and if Guille is dead, we didn't really need him anyway since a vig in mylo is hella dangerous.

So, you are basically lynching me in this scenario. Let's do nothing, so that Guille can't do nothing and gets killed. Also, you are asumming that There is still one Scum team out there. Were there could still be two.
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Post Post #275 (isolation #25) » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:12 am

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Does the oneshot Dayvig end the day?
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Post Post #276 (isolation #26) » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:13 am

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I mean, the wayyou guys are talking means that it wont, but I want to make sure.
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Post Post #277 (isolation #27) » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:37 am

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I want to hear Trow's claim before Alch has his way with either Istott or Slimer. Then I want to say something that might clear up something that is worrying me.
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Post Post #282 (isolation #28) » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:09 am

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In post 279, MrTrow wrote:@guille:

why were you convinced a short (as in '3 non rvs-votes' short D1 would be helpful to town)? especially to the point you were willing to lynch someone you weren't convinced was scum
any remarks on my breakdown of how the D1-quicklynch went down?
why do you want Alch to 'have his way with either Istott or Slimer' before you clear something up? (this might just be a misread of your post, but that is what it says
speaking of eye and slimer: do you have a preference?

1) I wouldn't have lynched Diego, if I didn't think he was scum. "Also, my last completed scum game had me fakebreadcrumbing flavour cop for the first two days." quote from issot reminded me that just because he crumbed doesn't guaranty town, especially in this game.
2) I think it's accurate for the most part when I read it back then. Only thing I saw somewhat wrong is: "guille dismisses crumbs as newbie-useless" And I feel that you have a bit of a bias against me.
3) next post.
4) Slimer, but I agree that issott gives us more answers.
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Post Post #283 (isolation #29) » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:12 am

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Anyways, I can guarantee that Last night there were two killing parties. Werewolves and Something else (mafia likely). That may have changed if the werewolves were only one.

That said, I think that Issott should not be the daykill.
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Post Post #284 (isolation #30) » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:38 am

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Since I am leaving soon, I might not respond for a while. So before you guys ask, let me explain. I did not Kill Christmas, or better explained, my action did not result in Christmas's death. Had it been, Christmas would be a Treestump rather than dead. I did not explicitly confirm being a vig because I am not a vig (I'm a Bloodsucker), although I consider myself a vig as in the end results are the same.

So, the current plan by esp is good, and assumes that ESP and Alch are both town. It also assumes that one of Issott and slimer is town and the other is not. Am I correct in thinking this?

Daykill Slimer, and If town, we Lynch Issot, if scum we Lynch Trow or we can discuss it a bit more.

I treestump Trow, I should be Killed this night cause It would be hard for Scum to leave me alive.

Then If the original assumptions are right, then that Should give us the win.
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Post Post #289 (isolation #31) » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:56 am

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In post 285, MrTrow wrote:
So you feel

Is not a correct representation of the posts linked?


i am still curious though: how are you so sure of esp?
as for eyestott and slimer: no, there is no guarantee at least 1 of them is town(they aren't in the same scumteam though)


my post addresses Diego's previous post about having the cop target him. Has nothing to do with me dismissing his crumb.

As for Esp.Well, there is no guarantee that he is town, much less in this game, where the potential for there being lots of scum is high. and his admitted preference for picking SKs in the first Roll, however, his general play is overwelmingly town oriented and he knew I was a Vig Day 1 and did nothing about it. I am most inclined to think he is town.
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Post Post #293 (isolation #32) » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:08 am

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Day voting esp is incorrect. But Alch's suggestion is ideal. I approve of that. I can't see how Istott gives us more information than slimer.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #33) » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:27 am

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Sorry I meant Day vigging as that is what you implied with your vote Trow, I pressum. And I think killing Esp with the day Vig is incorrect as that would not yield as much information as killing issott or slimer.
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Post Post #312 (isolation #34) » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:46 am

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Yes, of course, that Alchemist could have drawn a scum card, other than the one he discarded.

And the current plan assumes that Alchemist is town.

If you think we shouldn't run under said assumption, then feel free to suggest a different strategy.
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Post Post #329 (isolation #35) » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:51 am

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I wasn't expecting a Lyncher, but in retrospect, it was obvious.

Anyways, Lynching Trow, and if the game doesn't end there I would have to Treestump Esp. That would kill me, but I should be able to take out Scum ESP.

The No Lynch plan would only work if there is only one scum party alive. If there are two, then the party we don't treestump wins.

We have agreed then that Eyestott and Alch are town, cause that means that regardless of what we due, if we are wrong about that, then we lose. I am up for that risk.

If Trow is town or scum and the game carries on, that would mean that either I or ESP is scum. Me treestumping ESP would clear that off completely. There is no way that I know of for a PGO to outlive a vig.

Is this the plan we are running with?
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Post Post #343 (isolation #36) » Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:23 am

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Half a day left. Ill log on later to vote. I think Trow is unlynchable but can be killed at night.

I'm ok with lynching Esp. If would have procededed with what he proposed then we would have had Issot dead, and him alive tomorrow.
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Post Post #345 (isolation #37) » Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:55 am

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And between Istott and Trow?
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Post Post #347 (isolation #38) » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:43 am

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VOTE: Espionage


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Post Post #359 (isolation #39) » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:33 am

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its a good thing I didn't noticed that Trow claimed the same thing Christmas flipped.

Weird game. 2 cops and 2 governors.
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Post Post #362 (isolation #40) » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:38 am

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Night 1 was not what I expected.
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Post Post #363 (isolation #41) » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:40 am

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In post 361, Espeonage wrote:
In post 359, guille2015 wrote:its a good thing I didn't noticed that Trow claimed the same thing Christmas flipped.

Weird game. 2 cops and 2 governors.


Actually had no bearing on aligment because the alignment could have been picked up from elsewhere.

When I saw it last night, I incorrectly thought it was a botched claim.
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Post Post #368 (isolation #42) » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:13 pm

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In post 364, MrTrow wrote:@guille, how was that a good thing?
p-edit: so what would you have done if you read it?

I would have advocated for your Lynch rather than Esp. You'd govern yourself and I would have targeted ESP during the night.
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