NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

[Boonskiies]

I've actually become more comfortable with a Slandaar lynch than a Pine one.

[Slandaar]

Sliiiiiiiiiiip. He thinks I'm mafia, and Pine's a wolf. The actual wolf got caught up.

Yeah you are right actually. I did townslip. I put mafia/wolf the wrong way round. I put them how I think not how Thor thinks... meaning my thoughts are genuine thus I cannot be wolf or mafia (well I could technically be a wolf with you who thinks Pine is mafia but... no)

What was the 'slip' you were suggesting as clearly it wasn't that.

[T S O]

I don't know if you're joking, but I hope you are.

[Pine]

Boon is engaging superflail mode

PE: TSO, where are you on re-evaluating

[Thor665]

Here is another 7 man wagon, where is the mafia?

For the guy who is talking about the 'final wagon' being worth looking at.
Look at the composition of your 7 man and my 7 man wagons and compare them to the final wagon.

I look forward to your other responses yet to come.
We've been on hold for around a week waiting for you to comment on anything.

[Pine]

Thor, you seem to just not understand that people are not as attached to your narrow and insipid questions as you are. See, you ask some stupid or opinion-based shit, we turn our noses up at it, and you use that as an excuse to shut down and not do anything but bitch about people ignoring your questions

[Thor665]

You think the Slandaar read of anyone has not been on hold while he's been posting nothings for this long?
I disagree - mine has.
I am not using it as an excuse to not comment or offer thoughts on anything else that has happened, and if you think there is anything in the game I haven't offered my view on I would be happy to do so for you.
Or is this just an empty attack post?

[Slandaar]

I forgot to reply to you Thor!

I don't believe in the case of Nero he is doing what you suggest; pushing on him for 'playing in this manner'

What do you think his case is? Because my understanding is opposite your own.

Setup spec.

What do you think it is?

[Thor665]

Can you describe how his case is setup spec?
I can see the setup spec used to decide the wolf/mafia decision - but his scum case on Boon existed prior to doing any of that.

I think his case is this;

yes...no...idk. My one game with him his night actions were really bad and he just sorta gave up and stopped defending himself when he got ran up. Part of me wants to say "yes" he'd have better logic as town 'cause I think there's a load of scum motivation to push one person over another.

[Slandaar]

Here is another 7 man wagon, where is the mafia?

For the guy who is talking about the 'final wagon' being worth looking at.
Look at the composition of your 7 man and my 7 man wagons and compare them to the final wagon.

I wasn't suggesting to use that wagon the point was why use one random 7 man wagon and not another? to suit your agenda.

I look forward to your other responses yet to come.
We've been on hold for around a week waiting for you to comment on anything.

I have commented on the important things.

I don't see a need to comment on every bad post.

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Looking over it again my current working theory is Pine = wolf and Boon = Mafia.

I'm not sure about a Pine partner yet.

The problem with Boon Mafia is for him to be Mafia either;
1. Wolves have to be packing some serious power in their final 2 members or;
2. Boon isn't BP.

I think both are unlikely personally.

Which do you think?

I think he's probably not BP.

It's quite risky to claim BP into a full game when it's a fairly common role and can be CC'ed safely.

No?

I think he's probably not BP.

It's quite risky to claim BP into a full game when it's a fairly common role and can be CC'ed safely.

No?

Maybe - but with the concept that he's town - what the heck were Mafia doing Day 1 with their votes?

This is where Thor's wagon analysis comes from. So we have a 7 man wagon which 6 are not Mafia. The 7th vote is Boon.

We know for a fact 2 mafia were not on the PV wagon so Thor is suggesting the 7th vote is Mafia ie Boon. This is the weakest reasoning I have seen.

Thor's entire logic is thus;
Boon is lying about his claim he just claimed into the entire game a fairly common role. He is mafia because he was the 7th vote on a wagon which later hit 12 votes and had two other unknowns but ignoring that information Boon is mafia!

Nonsense.

So, Thor is calling Boon mafia on some invented reasoning then we have Boon who votes Thor a few times today (for a very short period) whom says;

Slandaar and I as the wolf team?!?!? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

He never reacts to the Thor/Him team in any such way when he has been voting Thor today.

I think Pine's mafia WOLF. I don't think this setup has more than two VT's. Have TSO/Slandaar/Nero claimed? I think it may be beneficial if they did.

This was also a thing. It's one of those things which adds up to the whole case.

As an aside; His lack of attention to claims is terrible.

So these small things add up. Boon never gave any reasoning for;

@slandaar - that's great, but Pine's not mafia.

Why?

I actually don't think we should talk about mafia anymore, unless we think we'll be lynching mafia toDay.

Which is a professional dodge.

Both Thor and Boon's logic on explaining why Pine is wolf is non existent bar the pattern nonsense which as I have covered can easily be made up. Thor's logic explaining Boon Mafia was non-existant.

Nero could be wolf lurking it but I think Boon works too well with Thor. If anyone has ever seen Thor's logic crumble as it has, you should show it, also maybe if he is often accused of twisting things because he has been doing that a lot here (something I could write about but eh, no-one will even read this)

Boon is scummy individually recent example being that ridiculous slip post he made just jumping on anything. He is also very difficult to engage in any conversation as he constantly dodges questions (one shown above) anyways I am done for now.

Basically what needs to happen is anyone who doesn't think Boon is a wolf give reasoning ie Thor/TSO (and Boon). As Boon must be lynched today assuming hes a wolf due to BP nature.

[Pine]

^Mafiascumposting

[Pine]

I've actually become more comfortable with a Slandaar lynch than a Pine one.

Didn't really register the implications of this till I reread it

Translation: Momentum seems to be headed toward this person (who is not me or my buddy) rather than this other person this person (who is not me or my buddy). If Boon were Town, he'd be pushing his strongly-held views, not going for the easier lynch

[Boonskiies]

Now Slandaar thinks I'm mafia instead of a wolf. Hilarious.

Also, I have been saying Slandaar/Pine for the longest time; I will happily join a Pine lynch.

[Pine]

Actually,the end of Slandaar's wall is a challenge that anyone who thinks you AREN'T a wolf needs to state a good reason why. So...no

[Pine]

And apparently "a few days" is "the longest time" since he switched over to declaring Thor confirmed Town, except when he wants to list Thor/Pine and Thor/NC wolf combos as possibilities

[Thor665]

Prod request - Nero

@TSO - poke.

[Boonskiies]

How is anything Slandaar said different from my town play?

[Pine]

Meta is a useful tool to players who know each other well. When I'm pointed to meta with a player I know not at all, I assume it's some kind of manipulation

[Aegor]

Votecount 5.5

[2]

Boonskiies:

Nero Cain, Pine
[1]

Slandaar:

Boonskiies

[3]

Not Voting:

Slandaar, Thor665, T S O

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 5 deadline:

(expired on 2015-01-18 06:06:44)

Mod Notes

Nero Cain has been prodded.

Given the reasons for reinoe's ban and the fact that he was scum in this game, please be careful about weird links/PMs from new accounts. Thanks to Thesp for the heads up.

[Slandaar]

Now Slandaar thinks I'm mafia instead of a wolf. Hilarious.

Uh... no. Nice try.

[Slandaar]

Can you describe how his case is setup spec?
I can see the setup spec used to decide the wolf/mafia decision - but his scum case on Boon existed prior to doing any of that.

I think his case is this;

yes...no...idk. My one game with him his night actions were really bad and he just sorta gave up and stopped defending himself when he got ran up. Part of me wants to say "yes" he'd have better logic as town 'cause I think there's a load of scum motivation to push one person over another.

Get out of here.

That is not a case. That is him responding to your question where he says 'idk' ie he isn't sure.

Even then it is definitely NOT;

What do you now make of the people

pushing on him for playing in this manner

?

[T S O]

I can't help but feel Thor is winning Thor vs Slandaar. Slandaar and Pine's mutual Mafia read on me also rings alarm bells.

[T S O]

I think there's been a strong split through the game of the WW team being Thor/Boon or Pine/Slandaar - Bulba and me won in Marvel by creating that artificial gap as scum, so if scum have done the same, I admire that.

[T S O]

Boon following my opinions so closely has continually generated paranoia from me but I think we could just really be on the same lines here.

[T S O]

I'm making a decision to lynch the person I want dead today, not the teammember, because it's entirely possible clever WW interactions are making me choose wrong.

So, yeah, I should have my decision made by today.