Micro 438: Greatest Idea Mafia - Game Over

[Espeonage]

Guille, why get rid of cop?

Doesn't Vanilla cop only return vanilla and non-vanilla?

In which case it's a terrible role because everyone in totally going to take a PR.

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Super upset though. Last draw I was SK with kills in both day and night. I was so op.

btw, not voting for a reason.

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Btw, if you are a Jester. Can you please claim so we can lynch you.

With a game such as this. Chances are it's multiball with a large amount of scum that need each other dead. I don't want to have to deal with a Jester in the lategame because they will cause a Mafia faction to win to ensure they themselves win. I've personally done it before.

So. I am saying right now. If you claim Jester NOW. I will advocate us letting you win day 1.

Thank you all.

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btw, not voting for a reason.

Can you name that reason?

I'm thread diving.

At the moment. I have someone i am sure is town. And I have someone who I think is likely scum.

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Just based on what is chucked back.

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VOTE: Diego

Does the role he threw away do what I think it does. I can't find it even with search. If it is what I think it is then that would only be thrown away by scum.

[Espeonage]

@Mod: Ok can't find it. Can we have the post numbers of each of the thrown away roles please Micc?

[Espeonage]

I did post why just after bro.

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Ok, that's ok then.

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Only one person chucked a useful PR.

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You

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It was. But I had the thrown rolemixed up.

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Because yours is a fucking strong role. Also Alien is groupscum not third party.

If you were scum you would have taken that PR, but it makes less sense for a town to take it.

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I just can't concieve someone who was going to pick scum, not taking vanilliser.

[Espeonage]

It's a cool power but not breaking until end game. He is likely town, as a result but not super town.

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Vote: Diego

L-2

[Espeonage]

I could have been scum with my role, but it wan't strong enough if I were mafia on my own so I took alignment from VT.

I was so op first roll though.

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Nah, it'll just be wifom. Everyone will just say that they used their VT.

I stand by my claim that anyone that claims Jester I will happily lynch to let them win.

If the Marathon is anything to go by, the fact that I managed to get town to lynch me day one by fucking the entire game over to burst my lynchproof then my slot was able to just sit until end game where myself and mafia lynched me for a combined win in lylo.

It is better to just lynch a jester in this game type. They will fuck up the game for town if they don't just get handed the win.

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It goes Third Party >>>>>>>> Group Scum > Town.

However over the CYS games I did play as every alignment. I will usually play what I feel gives me the best shot at winning.

My logic here is that given the nature of Greatest Idea, being groupscum is not safe as you don't have any affordances because it is possible to be on your own without any balances generally given to 3rd party. I'd only go scum if I had a strong PR that works better on scum.

But yes, I do prefer anti-town.

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VOTE: Diego

I hate naked votes, even if it is RVS.

UNVOTE: Espeonage
VOTE: Alchemist21

So you unvote another naked vote. Contrived much.

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VOTE: Diego

I hate naked votes, even if it is RVS.

UNVOTE: Espeonage
VOTE: Alchemist21

So you unvote another naked vote. Contrived much.

Not to mention that Alch is 98% completely totally town.

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So, Diego is scum.

Let me check the vote counts.

2 reasons.

The discard is crappy, but could have used it as alignment. Esp pointed it out.

His reaction to my "Cop" discard was Meh. Not like Eystott or Esp. Christmas didn't even noticed. Diego understood it as an actual cop power (By the manner of his response) and dismissed it casually as if I had a better reason to picking something else.

Guille, why get rid of cop?

Pointless power is pointless. It also can generate lots of reactions when others freak out about a cop getting discarded. Did you vote for RVS or for the Cop card?

Your response to why you discarded it was Meh. So we both agree that discarding cop is not that big of a deal?

No. The argument is that you thought it was a cop. Which is a big thing to discard. He knows it was a vanilla cop which is very different and useless in Greatest Idea.

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Actually, that's a good question for everyone.
Eh. Claim?

Nah. It's been proven that Vsnilla cop is stupid to take here.

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Not to mention that Alch is 98% completely totally town.

I'd say about 78% but 85% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Nah. Only 2% of roles are better for scum than vanillaiser. So it's correct.

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Ok, I'll be honest. I don't know what the difference is.

Which is why it is bad.

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Mhm, the two strongest town cards and you had them both when you are in dire need of a perfect claim.

Why would you not take the Mason and turn in to IC?

These games are short. Mason is equatable to Cop in a normal game but this setup is shorter than a normal game.

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This also doesn't compute with you saying Cop was meh.

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Do it. Alch needs protecting though if we have anything.

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Vanilla Cop is town aligned but useless. It sees if someone has no PR.

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Ok, claiming before hammered. I'm town cop. My other two cards were Cop and Mason.

I totally had those cards on my first roll. Mason and Cop.

Still unlikely.

Also doesn't resolve the other two inconsistencies.

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should I really?

Yeah, looking from it, he's not receiving help and town players are likely to be loaded with useful actions.

Just from a theory perspective, this exists in the night is important part of Nati's spectrum.

Which is why I don't mind a stupidly short day phase.

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Bull, I'm a cop. The chance of you also being a cop is slim.
I want to hammer.

Why would I claim the one role that got me in trouble? Look if you are a cop, we can decimate scum with investigation. Also, you can investigate me tonight, and it'll show I'm at town. Lynch me tomorrow if I lied.

Because we've gone on about how good it is and you needed to find a good claim and fast. It just doesn't compute.

And that would be a waste of an investigate.

(Out of game: There are some great articles on the wiki about power role theory that you should read. Cop should always try and investigate someone that is hard to read but a good town leader as more often than not statistically a cop with hit town and it is the best way to maximise the positive effects of the innocent result.)

Ont hat note. istott, don't investigate me until tomorrow. Also if there is a protection. Pick either istott or Alch. It was a shame he claimed.

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I crumbed my first four posts. Look at the first letter of each post. I C O P.

Still weird. The I doesn't fit. If it was originally pre-meditated I would expect a newer player to just stright out do it. Also, the C is not weird. It is what you would post anyway and the rest seems just like jumping at an opportunity because that was by the time the cop stuff that I feel sparked the fake claim came from.

I don't buy it.

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The Crumb is good. Let me think.

Too much doesn't fit.

Still leaves my original two points unexplained and fits perfectly in timing with those points.

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I gtg for an hour. I'll be back after.

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1.4% chance of the two cops cards to show up.

it is a good idea for Scum to crumb that early.

I think its best to let Diego Live for tonight.

I'd get him to explain the things wrong before giving him a free pass. He is not someone that we should be wasting an investigation on. When he does claim a result tomorrow, if he flips scum he then has introduced far too much wifom in to the mix.

And this still doesn't cover;
1. Why he took Cop when he didn't think it was that big of a deal when he also had MASON. and
2. Why he wouldn't just take Mason from those cards in the first place which is the stronger role.

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Explain to me how that adds up?

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I also don't want him getting coached in the night phase on how to be destructive to town in his blaze of glory tomorrow if he has a partner.

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I already said I chose non town last game.

Him being a newbie just hardens my points because he gave no weight to Cop and then chose it over a role that is posted everywhere as being strong as hell.

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But can't we wait for those that haven't posted to voice their opinion. I promise I'll let you hammer!

1. Derails
2. Night based game

[Espeonage]

so Esp, Anybody else that you don't like?

Not yet.

Christmas Tree looks bad if Diego flips groupscum.

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guille, if you think what I think you'll think on the 0.0000000001% chance that Diego flips town, then do it night 2. Otherwise go about your business.

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You like me don't you espe.
You're obviously in love with me. <3

You're my second to top scumread of the people that have posted a decent amount so far this game. And by that I mean I am townreading you but the others are just percentage chance more likely to be town.

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It?

If you trust me, don't ask.

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Ok so I'm getting hammered. Just to be clear, so in future games I don't make same mistake, I'm getting lynched mainly for my cop remark? I know there are other reasons probably, but if I don't make that remark, then I'm still ok? Because I truly was using that post to help my crumb. I needed a P and it felt like it would fit with being too obvious.

We will talk post game.

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Ok so I'm getting hammered. Just to be clear, so in future games I don't make same mistake, I'm getting lynched mainly for my cop remark? I know there are other reasons probably, but if I don't make that remark, then I'm still ok? Because I truly was using that post to help my crumb. I needed a P and it felt like it would fit with being too obvious.

Basically your claim does not fit with anything you posted. There are wiki articles on fakeclaiming. They are worth a read.

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It?

If you trust me, don't ask.

But Why should I trust you? This is my first game with you. Well, just you.

Look. You don't need to know what it is. It is something based on pure educated speculation and if I wanted more information to be out there I would have said so.

You should take all of my advice on cops from earlier btw.

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Well, clearly I'm not ready for the major leagues yet. I'm going to state one more time, I am Town Cop. Believe me or not, it's the truth, and with two confirmed Cops, Town should win. Either way, do what you must.

Even if I believed you.

1. Cop is weaker here than normal slightly. There are stronger roles. Not enough that cop should be scoffed like what got you wagoned but town is actually in a good stead at the moment. I think I know what three people are and town is looking very strong.
2. I appreciate you have to do the last ditch effort, but it never sways people. The correct play is to be as loud as possible, maybe fakeclaim who your buddies are. Just make a mess of town.

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im putting off vote for a few minutes.
In your pm, do you determine guilt, or mafianess?

:/

You know that's inconclusive because ods can be asked questions.

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*mods

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Not within a minute.

1. Seer is on the page too. The difference is outlined.
2. I would have asked when I crumbed.
3 would be logic but I conceed that isn't something he is likely to know immediately.

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okay,my hats what I've got. Still, you might not nessesarily be town, even if you are cop (unlikely).

V0te: Diego

So, what are you really?

That's a fake vote more likely adding the zero, but I am Town Cop.

omg you blew your shot at convincing stott. If you didn't point out the fakeness he might have believed you.

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stott, make the vote in a post entirely in allcaps. Harder to see.

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btw istott a post of yours this page pinged me. I might come back to it tomorrow.

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I mean tnext ime.

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I had a quick look at the thread via phone and someone said something about a vig. Which is hella unlikely with so few kills. Chances are one shot was mafia, other shot was wolves.

One of istott and Trow is scum.
guile may be scum but I don't really think so.
slimer is probs scum due to numbers.
Alch is still conftown

massclaim is a bad idea.

[Espeonage]

1. Because I didn't know that was what was chucked. And also not the reason I voted him.
2. Town recruiter.
3. The fact that the game didn't fly first roll because too much scums.

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I was looking through Grand Ideas thread.

Ok, now as I said I feel far less comfortable as scum in a game such as this because I have no idea if I will have a balanced scum group. There may be a heap of scum but I have no guarantee that I will actually be able to survive if all the other people that were to choose scum were in different factions.

I went SK last roll because I would have been hella strong with my role combo and SK is reward in itself because it's my favourite alignment.

[Espeonage]

1. Can you rephrase that? Don't really get what you're asking.
2. For wagon.
3. Shrug.

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Contrary to didn't mind, the word is "wanted".

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Actually just remembered something.

guille is the crux here.

I'm pretty sure I can correctly guess what guille will claim. However, given the lack of kills I'm thinking it might be a fake claim.

I covered this day 1 cryptically.

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Ok, Eyestott was counterclaiming Diego's Cop claim. It seems reasonable to me to think he'd take the 1-for-1 trade because he thought he was catching scum.

I think I want Esp and Guille both dead now.

I might claim my intentions from day 1.

My aims for day 1:
1. Become a kill target.
2. Avoid town power roles wanting to target me.

I figured that the easiest way to do this was to;
a. Clear someone so any protective actions hit them.
b. Be in a position where I could get investigates to not target me.
c. Either be super townie, which was never going to happen given my history of preferring scum roles.
d. Find a way to get shot outside this.

When diego was getting run up and was put under pressure I wanted to try and see if he would crack under extra votes, as I could then get a quick lynch, quickly cover what I needed to for (b) and then take a leadership role in the town to draw the kill. This was backed up after I accomplished (a) with my setup spec so scum wouldn't shoot alch. If I ended the day spearheading a quick scum lynch I'd get shot thus accomplishing all of my goals for the day.

I am a 1-shot PGO.

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I evidently wasn't targeted last night which make sense because my spearhead of a scum lynch wasn't a scum lynch.

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1.
You claimed to have found a reason in the discards to call 'someone'(explicitly unnamed at that point) prob-scum

Yes, it was based on me thinking something incorrectly though.

You claimed to have a reason to not vote (only implied to be related after you revealed(in a way that was apparently clear to all but me) what the reason was)
You later revealed the reason for not voting to be: actually not knowing what was discarded.
Aren't these things mutually exclusive?
Also isn't this whole 'i found prob scum, here somewhere, but i'm not giving further hints', standard fake-hunting?

Nah, I wanted to double check because I might have been incorrect on the evidence I was using which I was.

Also why were you trying to find the role in 'the discussion thread that inspired this mechanic' rather than the wiki-page containing the role-list the mod provided in the rules?

Because I didn't read the rules

2.
so basically you ordered a quick-hammer on a town-cop for rvs-wagon? (this might actually be the most honest thing that happened in yesterday's lynch

Yes and no. My vote was for pressure and is outlined in my post above. I was sure I'd found scum after I applied pressure though so I had no reason not to push through the lynch

was it also 'for wagon' you discarded the 'no i didn't claim cop because of the discussion how useful this is, i crumbed the role prior to that discussion' or was that 'for shrug'?

???

3.
you have a strong preference for anti-town roles and have referred to 'some good articles about ....'
could refer me to a (preferably non-joke) guide to playing as an anti-town faction which doesn't have 'promote shrug' as a top 3 tool?

Probs, look under articles on the wiki. Some of them are good

alternatively, could you provide any reason why anyone else should vote, on for example either of the 2 in your 'one of them must be scum'-pool or the one who 'must be scum because numbers'(preferably something else than, 'must be scum because numbers')

Maybe

p-edit:

@Trow, here we see Guille trying to say how Diego's cop claim is feasible, but then suddenly voted because he was convinced. Convinced by what? It's not even clear who convinced him.
I'll need to look back at the context of Eyestott's claim, but my gut still tells me he's telling the truth.

i assume we agree guille wasn't driving either (and i can see his vote being 'derp' , though i would like to know what made him magically convinced)

regarding guille, i think we agree: guille could you clear this up please (i have a suspicion and i doubt you could do worse)

as for eyestott's claim. yes you should go and look at it yourself, but to paraphrase:
eye: i want to hammer
diego: ok i'm about to get lynched, so claim: cop
esp: yeah, not buying it
eye: no, i'm the cop, may i hammer now?
(esp: yes and fast please)
he effectively already had esp's permission to hammer(and wasn't really waiting for anyone else, though later he wanted to show he did wait for others)
there was no town reason what so ever for eye to claim cop(even if it is true).

pp-edit:
ok esp, i'll have to think about this.
That is one weird claim

[Espeonage]

In case it wasn't obvious. Responses in bold.

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That's not what Trow's thrown role does.

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I'm happy to leave Alch be until very late game.

My problem guille is that your softclaim fits with the kills, but doesn't fit with the game. Why were there only two kills last night?

Either you were softing your fake claim, or we only have wolves, or wolves and mafia both hit GiF.

I think given the throwaways, the nature of the roles in alien faction and the lack of kills, it is unlikely we have aliens.

[Espeonage]

Lynchbait (If you are lynched, any and all Lynchers immediately win)

Lyncher is 3rd party who wins when they lynch their target.
Lynchbait is an alternate wincon for a lyncher.

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Ignore the last line.

Lynchbait is a alternate way to kill lynchers.

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Aliens have a kill, but only one and it's feasible that it would get used early seeing as the game is so small with so many ways to kill.

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Doc should have been on you and you shouldn't have been targeted for a kill as a result.

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Any other faction benefits from cop.

SK benefits, Wolves benefit, Aliens benefit, Survivor benefits, whichever the town originating one of Saulus and Judas benefits.

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No one thinks there is a lyncher, guille misunderstood lynchbait which is what trow threw away.

I said there was too few kills for guille to be town.
POE also point to guille being scum.

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Actually there are also the points that his wagon action was the most typical of scum and he was buddying.

I really with diego was scum.

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I will admit I haven't actually read much of Trow's posting. It's dense and needs formatting. So he's a null.

guille could be scums, but I think it will become completely obvious what his alignment is considering he all but confirmed that I read his softclaim properly so he doesn't need to be lynched today.

Alch is town until further notice.

That leaves istott and slimer for the last two options for scum.

Has stott claimed who he targeted last night and what the result was?

Is a massclaim of everyone but alch a good idea?

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Cheers, that pretty much clears him from being group scum.

Ok I'm pretty happy with going ahead with a lynch on slimer or Trow then. Slimer's choice to not answer a direct question puts him ahead on the list though.

Vote: slimer

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@Mod: If someone were to have the role Town Mason and there were no other Masons in the game, would they become IC or Chocolate Townie?

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Lets say that we only have wolves.

Wolves have to shoot you or guille.
If they shoot you and guille is SK not Vig then guille will win if we lynch trow or slimer because guille should shoot the other.

That means wolves would have to shoot guille, guille's kill should go through because NAR.

That leaves you, me and istott left in final three if game isn't over and we lynch istott for the win, if the game isn't already over.

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btw, No Lynching is bad because we probs will end up with 4 person endgame otherwise.

I will say that yes I am assuming that GiF protected Alch and Alch didn't get shot.

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The potential of guile being SK makes scum have to deal with him if I don't get lynched because no one is going to shoot me and I am saying I would vote anyone other than alch over guille. Thus in three person endgame with myself guille and a scum, scum would lose to guille SK, so they have to deal with him.

Guille wouldn't not shoot in your proposal because we dun know how many mafia.

The only argument for no lynching is if you think that GiF stopped a kill and we would have three shots tomorrow night.

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Jester would have claimed yesterday. I explicitly asked for jester's to claim and neither you nor trow are playing jesterish thus we have no jester.

And no one has made a play on their target if they were a lyncher. So I doubt we have one of them either.

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I am fairly certain that it would take a monumental fuck up for town to not win this game.

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I still want slimer and trow to claim though, probs alch too. We already have half the playerlist claimed.

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Ok, Eyestott was counterclaiming Diego's Cop claim. It seems reasonable to me to think he'd take the 1-for-1 trade because he thought he was catching scum.

I think I want Esp and Guille both dead now.

I might claim my intentions from day 1.

My aims for day 1:
1. Become a kill target.
2. Avoid town power roles wanting to target me.

I figured that the easiest way to do this was to;
a. Clear someone so any protective actions hit them.
b. Be in a position where I could get investigates to not target me.
c. Either be super townie, which was never going to happen given my history of preferring scum roles.
d. Find a way to get shot outside this.

When diego was getting run up and was put under pressure I wanted to try and see if he would crack under extra votes, as I could then get a quick lynch, quickly cover what I needed to for (b) and then take a leadership role in the town to draw the kill. This was backed up after I accomplished (a) with my setup spec so scum wouldn't shoot alch. If I ended the day spearheading a quick scum lynch I'd get shot thus accomplishing all of my goals for the day.

I am a 1-shot PGO.

My claim

[Espeonage]

Guille softed and then confirmed I was correct. He is a vig.

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Well I guess it wouldn't hurt to say it now

I'm a roleblocker. I roleblocked Eyestott. That's why I think he's making up the whole cop thing up, since he should have gotten a "no result"
But since the kills went through and all is well, I think he can't be scum

:/

That doesn't make sense as reasoning because there are potentially up to three groupscums, two of which have a nightly kill. And a vig.

istott, why did you say you had a result?

I have an idea of what might have happened but unless that is what he says I'm pretty happy to straight up lynch istott then.

[Espeonage]

Is your PGO active or passive?

Activates first night I get targeted by an action and for that night I shoot everyone that targets me.

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Seems likely it didn't get popped last night.

I don't know if I get notified when it goes off.

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Unvote

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I was wanting to see if istott would say he took alignment from cop and had a different ability, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

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:/
istott's claim is way to risky to be fake. I think he is definitely Cop. And then it makes no sense for him to lie about a result because it's asking to be counterclaimed like we've just had.

slimer also doesn't make sense to be lying unless he knows it's mylo or lylo which I doubt is the case just because unlikely.

Thus my conclusion is shenanigans.

It doesn't clear either of them, but I think that they are both telling the truth about their abilities.

I think this necessitates full claim from Trow because you don't seem to be acknowledging any involvement Alch.

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I'd appreciate if you claimed as well though Alch.

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Town?

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Wait until Trow claims.

I took alignment from VT and power from Town One-Shot PGO.

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It makes very little sense for either for you to be lying.

However you are giving me bad feels for insisting the 1v1.

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Also Alch, guille was very likely the shot that killed Christmas Tree because that was who he looked like shoot during the day phase.

If stott flips as town guille has to be town or SK as he would be cleared for mafia and wolves and with two alien roles already out of the mix and that they only have one kill it seems unlikely.

If Trow doesn't shed any light on it, I'd say stott gives us more info.

[Espeonage]

I think I know what Trow's role is and he could be very useful in resolving this atm.

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I found a role that explains why someone with a roleblock or redirect wouldn't have targeted someone on the wagon which is what was bugging me. Not very likely for someone to block slimer considering how yesterday went down.

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Trow you reading bro?

Alch can shoot stott.

[Espeonage]

I think killing stott is actually better. Because it gives more information as a whole which results in a better lylo if we end up on one.

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As in dayvig stott.

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I had some reasoning a pge or two ago, I can't remember it though.

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For someone evidently reading the thread and pulling apart every post he can find, I find the lack of card claim by Trow rather disconcerting.

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Why does it matter when we've almost completely solved the game?

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Him shooting also confirms his ability card.

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The self preservation has be thinking slimer might be scum after all. I think Trow is also scum.

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Looks like someone had stott as a target.

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@Mod: Which would resolve first between a factional kill and Treestumper?

Because that question answers if we lynch Trow or No Lynch and treestump him tonight.

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Alch.

1. Having a treestump is better than a dead slot in case that slot is town.
2. If we lynch AND get a treestump we are looking at a two player endgame which is a loss for town if one is scum.
3. Therefore it is statistically better to do the treestump over a lynch.

Now I know that happens to work out great for me due to the PGO probably still being up.

Say we no lynch, Treestump Trow, someone gets night killed.

Guille will be basically clear seeing as he isn't regular vig and not mafia, stott looks pretty ok at the moment and you are pretty clear.
That leaves me as the lynch tomorrow anyway if you want to push for it then.

That is the best play for town as far as I can see.

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guille did.

Ok, proceed with lynches considering the resolution order.

Vote: Trow

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Btw, Trow, I want a full card claim from you.

This is one of a few reasons why Trow is the go here.

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I get trigger happy in endgames.

My gut is saying that stott is scum. I win games by throwing my gut out the window in endgames.

Sounds like a plan.

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I think eye is town, I think guille is town, I think Alch is town.

You are the only person I am not town reading.

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Thoroughly enjoyed the game.

My plan that didn't work actually worked and killed a scum.

[Espeonage]

its a good thing I didn't noticed that Trow claimed the same thing Christmas flipped.

Weird game. 2 cops and 2 governors.

Actually had no bearing on aligment because the alignment could have been picked up from elsewhere.

[Espeonage]

I'm assuming that guille would have not shot and you still would have lost that lylo.

[Espeonage]

To be fair, the setup ended up way townsided.

[Espeonage]

So glad I correctly cleared Alch.

[Espeonage]

Your stuff just didn't add up to me Diego. It was a harsh lynch but I had other reasons for wanting a short day. I actually had no real reason when I voted you originally I just wanted to see what would happen if I applied pressure and I thought what came after that showed that we'd hit scum.

You didn't really play badly, you just had maybe a couple of little things that were iffy which also didn't add up so your claim just looked so fake.

[Espeonage]

I'm pretty sure that had you protected someone else, istott would have been lynched or daykilled.

[Espeonage]

Thank you, although I still have no idea why I was considered the prime kill target by two out of seven players after pushing so hard for something I was wrong about.

[Espeonage]

I actually assumed Tree shot me because I said he was who I would shoot when guille asked.