Micro 438: Greatest Idea Mafia - Game Over

[Espeonage]

For someone evidently reading the thread and pulling apart every post he can find, I find the lack of card claim by Trow rather disconcerting.

[Micc]

VoteCount 2.03

theslimer3 (1)

: guille2015

eyestott (1)

: MrTrow

Not Voting (4)

: Alchemist21, eyestott, theslimer3, Espeonage

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to Lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline

: The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2015-01-24 11:50:00).

[MrTrow]

Sorry I meant Day vigging as that is what you implied with your vote Trow, I pressum. And I think killing Esp with the day Vig is incorrect as that would not yield as much information as killing issott or slimer.

It means pretty much what a vote is supposed to mean.
There is no one alive in this game who i'm more sure of he's scum and therefore i want him dead.
As for he's the least informative vig..... not sure
Apart from what i consider relevant:
- it could explain all the

weird behavior

he refuses to comment on (thus there is no other way to figure this out)
- it could explain how he knew about 'the alien faction only has 1 nightkill the entire game' before he asked 'what happens if there is only 1 mason' with the only location where the former is stated is the 'setup-specific-things' list on the wiki-page referenced in the rules (which he claims to have never read)

There is also:
-

espeonage is actually a roleblocker

: is the only way it is possible slimer and eye are not actually in a dipole.
(not that that's going to help as, if killing esp doesn't end the game still at least one of them is scum, but i don't see how the other informational vigs are any better, eye(his actual role and allignment+ (if as claimed) either slimer blocked him or esp blocked slimer) or slimer(actual role/allignment + either eye is lying or esp blocked slimer)
Also a thing to consider. if he really is a pgo, do you prefer to take him down by night or by day?

3: Ive pushed for a massclaim, because today could possibly be mylo. I thought that popcorning was the standard?

- Yesterday could have been lylo. So terrible excuse for the claim
- Yes popcorning in decreasing order of scummyness is the standard. So you did the least useful half because that was the standard but ignored the other half because?? You didn't want to prevent scum from having information to base their claims on?/you wanted to push your crappy massclaim through by targeting the one who was most likely to follow your instructions before someone popped in to say no?
- It's not like you didn't know 'most-scummy-first' is the standard, you changed your popcorn target to your newest top-scum-read for disagreeing with you (or admitting to only have skimmed)

espeonage and eyestott both consider 'not knowing the difference between cop and vanilla-cop' a

lynch-worthy-offence

Where did I say that was lynchworthy?

Would 'pointing out he admits not knowing it, with no additional clarification, claiming intent to hammer' do gluttony: 'now can i eat him' comes to mind

eyestott claims 'the need to breadcrumb' is reason to convict:

despite having started a discussion thread about this subject himself (thus knowing fully well, this not being obvious to newbies. The moment this game ends, this story goes to that thread)

I never said it was a reason to convict.

True, you only told us:
- 'scum breadcrumbs'
- 'he is scum'
- 'i'm town and i didn't breadcrumb'
or are you saying this isn't 'telling us there is no reason to breadcrumb as town rather than asking him what his reason was to breadcrumb as town'

eyestott HAMMERS diego for not lying(admitting he noticed the gambit)

I didnt hammer him for not lying, I hammered him because I though he was scum.

Really?

okay,my hats what I've got. Still, you might not nessesarily be town, even if you are cop (unlikely).

V0te: Diego

So, what are you really?

That's a fake vote more likely adding the zero, but I am Town Cop.

Actually, gambit is noticeable.

Vote:Diego

You put him in a situation where (it was implied) claiming town cop without noticing it wasn't a real vote might have convinced you he wasn't scum.
Even in this situation, where he noticed what you were doing, where it was clear what you were going for. He chose to not throw the 'self-preservation-lie'(the base of scum-play) and you took him seeing through you as an excuse to finally land that hammer you've been so eager to show us you could hold back.

You tested him twice:
- if you really are a cop you know the answer to this question: answer
- if you claim not to notice something i might let you live: 'why would i lie, i'm town'
And your response: HAMMER
Do you really expect me to believe these tests were genuine?

[theslimer3]

If I'm getting Vigged, I have a dying note for night two for everyone to hear. Please only read it then

Spoiler: night two

Hello, Hello. Oh hey you made it to night two uhm congrats. I will not talk long this time since Frazzbear and his friends become more active as the week progresses. Uhh it might be a good idea to peek at those cameras while I talk just to make sure they are in place. Interestingly enough Fredd himself doesn’t come off stage very often. I heard he becomes more active in the dark though so one more reason to not run out of power right? I also want to emphasize to use the door lights. There are blind spots in the camera view that happen to be right outside of the door. So if you can’t find something or someone on your camera be sure to check the door lights. You might only have a few seconds to react not because you are in danger of course. I am not implying that. Also check on the curtains in pirate cove. The character in that place is unique in that he comes more active if the cameras remain off for a long enough time. I guess he doesn’t like to be watched. I don’t know. Anyway I am sure you have everything under control uhm talk to you soon.

[eyestott]

X-post:
I'm going to my best friends Birthday party today, and then I'm going to sleep, and then I'm going out to enrole for my course. I will be back in approximately 24 hours.

[theslimer3]

Also remind me why we're using vig instead of lynch? That seems like a waste of a vig

[Alchemist21]

We get both, so it's not a waste.

[theslimer3]

Then why vig me instead of him?

[Espeonage]

Why does it matter when we've almost completely solved the game?

[theslimer3]

Because i just really don't follow

[Espeonage]

Him shooting also confirms his ability card.

[theslimer3]

And completely means he's not any scum faction. Genius.

[guille2015]

Yes, of course, that Alchemist could have drawn a scum card, other than the one he discarded.

And the current plan assumes that Alchemist is town.

If you think we shouldn't run under said assumption, then feel free to suggest a different strategy.

[Espeonage]

The self preservation has be thinking slimer might be scum after all. I think Trow is also scum.

[Alchemist21]

I've heard all I needed to hear.

Dayvig: Slimer

If he's Town, I'm voting Eyestott. If he's scum, then Esp.

[Micc]

theslimer3 has been killed Day 2.

He was a

Lyncher Retired Marine

.

Day 2 continues, and the vote count will be reset.

[Micc]

VoteCount 2.04

Not Voting (5)

: Espeonage, guille2015, Alchemist21, MrTrow, eyestott

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 votes to Lynch or No Lynch.

Notes

:

The deadline has been bumped up to the length of a prod cycle to ensure everyone can check in with the vote count being reset.

Deadline

: The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2015-01-25 02:02:00).

[Espeonage]

Looks like someone had stott as a target.

[Espeonage]

@Mod: Which would resolve first between a factional kill and Treestumper?

Because that question answers if we lynch Trow or No Lynch and treestump him tonight.

[eyestott]

Huh. Wow. Great call, Alchemist.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Espeonage

[Espeonage]

Alch.

1. Having a treestump is better than a dead slot in case that slot is town.
2. If we lynch AND get a treestump we are looking at a two player endgame which is a loss for town if one is scum.
3. Therefore it is statistically better to do the treestump over a lynch.

Now I know that happens to work out great for me due to the PGO probably still being up.

Say we no lynch, Treestump Trow, someone gets night killed.

Guille will be basically clear seeing as he isn't regular vig and not mafia, stott looks pretty ok at the moment and you are pretty clear.
That leaves me as the lynch tomorrow anyway if you want to push for it then.

That is the best play for town as far as I can see.

[Micc]

@Mod: Which would resolve first between a factional kill and Treestumper?

I going to interpret 'Treestumper' as 'Bloodsucker' for the purpose of this question. A factional kill would resolve before a Bloodsucker's treestumping ability.

[Alchemist21]

Alch.

1. Having a treestump is better than a dead slot in case that slot is town.
2. If we lynch AND get a treestump we are looking at a two player endgame which is a loss for town if one is scum.
3. Therefore it is statistically better to do the treestump over a lynch.

Now I know that happens to work out great for me due to the PGO probably still being up.

Say we no lynch, Treestump Trow, someone gets night killed.

Guille will be basically clear seeing as he isn't regular vig and not mafia, stott looks pretty ok at the moment and you are pretty clear.
That leaves me as the lynch tomorrow anyway if you want to push for it then.

That is the best play for town as far as I can see.

Who claimed treestump?

[Alchemist21]

EBWOP: *bloodsucker, not treestump