Micro 440: Triplicate Mafia - Game Over

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^ scumclaim

VOTE: BBMolla
Checkmate, scum

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I choose to hold off RVS voting. I want to hear from the rest of my group first.

oh god, you missed it.
you are noob.

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you have failed us all...
2 votes does not work for greater justice, until each group has majority!

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Do you deny my logic of lynching liars?

lol. Shall I explain why I am wary of BBmolla then?

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Gaiden is back.
All beware.

Where is wisdom? That's the only name i recognize in this game.

brb dying

this doesn't look like townhunting to me gm
are you scum?

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Do you deny my logic of lynching liars?

lol. Shall I explain why I am wary of BBmolla then?

I'm not sure how you can be wary of someone who hasn't posted?

Just thinking, should we actually vote in this setup or use pseudovotes? I haven't played it before and am not sure what the best way to do it is, hunt in your group or hunt among everyone like a normal game.

how interesting. i will ponder after this episode of anime.

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You scum bro@

u mad bro@

In the meantime, as long as we're sharing tinfoil theories: every time I've played Witness I've found him impossibly scummy from the first. I don't now, therefore he must be Scum.

anyway, i just had a pretty crazy tinfoil theory.
i like tinfoil. it is shiny and makes nice hats.

I most regret that I won't be able to vote Bert until d2.

sure
lol

Hi Bert!

Well don't I feel loved.
Gaiden is innocent,
clearly

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And right now, this hat is a pirate hat.

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I most regret that I won't be able to vote Bert until d2.

Hi Bert!

HI! <3333333333333333333333333333333

Not being able to vote everyone in order feels terrifyingly horrifically bad and painful.

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I just consulted my juju priest.

It says:

Scripten
Hopkirk
Zubullu

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Gaiden and I will talk

nonsense

serious things that are serious tonight.
Serious.

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Gaiden has been busy, so I willcatch up tonight.

/mobile

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Gaiden also wants blood.
VOTE: Zeb

HAMMAH-ish

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Just when we were comfortable taking our vote off you, you pull this.

Sigh~

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Gaiden got back this afternoon, and We checked in tonight. No moral victories though! Gotta post something of substance eventually (hopefully..or else). We'll be satisfied if We can get some semblance of reads and thoughts in within a few days (with plenty of time to spare before deadline). Baby steps. That is Our current goal.

Witness Protection, how do you know Us? I don't remember seeing your name anywhere before.

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Zeb could be town, actually. I think PN is more likely to be the scum in that group.

We agree on Zeb, but what's scummy about PN? They play to their name, or at least they did in Bulba's game. I think they should be left alone just for their comedic act! But seriously, what have they done that's scummy?

Do you realize that Zeb is scum reading PN too?

After going over his ISO, I'd like to ask Zeb to explain his vote on PN. He said it was because BB answered better. What exactly did BB say? So far he's casted a couple of votes, and called a few slots Town, and a few scum. I'm asking because I don't see what gives you the Town read on BB.

Mostly it's because of my ISO read on BBMolla. Normally I'm suspicious of a guy who has so few words per post, but he posts very little in both his town and scum games. The difference I saw is that Town-BBMolla asks a lot of questions and is active scumhunting even on page 1, and Scum-BBMolla tends to say random fluff unrelated to the game and try to stay out of the limelight. BBMolla has been active scumhunting this game and hasn't made a single out-of-game post so far, so I feel he's town.

The only thing I don't like from him was the "Zubullu" comment. That hurt.

I'm scum reading Perpetual Nonsense mainly because I think BBMolla is town and that makes a 67% chance Perpetual Nonsense is scum.

On an unrelated note, Power needs to talk more. Hopkirk and Lucky2u are basically mute.

Gaiden also wants blood.
VOTE: Zeb

HAMMAH-ish

Why did you vote me?

Mah Maths has gotten rusty. How did you arrive at that number?

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Magic Train Mafia
it's k. We can debug this.
cos similar games.

Power: Talk more.

any reason why? aside from my non-helpful attitude, of course?

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wave of apathy
devoured my baby diapers
what should i do guys

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We are so toast at this rate. I have to pump Us up! UGH

Gotta get pumped, gotta get pumped BERTIE and GAIDEN

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Yeah, somehow We managed to become indifferent about the gamestate, and it's time to dig Ourselves out.

Why are you so confident that Lucky2u is scum? Do you have more questions to ask him?

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As in, it shouldn't be who between GM or Lucky2u is playing better or being more effective as either alignment for you, but rather who is more likely to be scum.

hmm... so far I want to vote both my group mates...

And yet you don't vote either of us? Sounds pretty off.

VOTE: Lucky

For example, pushing Lucky to vote when he is indecisive.

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^how was Lucky's post scummy, exactly?

And there's the fact that there is no mention/interaction to be seen between you and goodmorning since your Page 1 RVS vote.

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UNVOTE:

Reading Molla's ISO. There isn't much to decipher at the moment.

I'm scum reading Perpetual Nonsense mainly

because I think BBMolla is town

and that makes a 67% chance Perpetual Nonsense is scum.

Mostly it's because of my ISO read on BBMolla. Normally I'm suspicious of a guy who has so few words per post, but he posts very little in both his town and scum games. The difference I saw is that Town-BBMolla asks a lot of questions and is active scumhunting even on page 1, and Scum-BBMolla tends to say random fluff unrelated to the game and try to stay out of the limelight. BBMolla has been active scumhunting this game and hasn't made a single out-of-game post so far, so I feel he's town. The only thing I don't like from him was the "Zubullu" comment. That hurt.

These two posts aren't inclusive to me IMHO. BBMolla hasn't posted much. Period. Neither have I, granted. For Molla, it's certainly not alignment indicative. Just don't like this read because it's based on if Molla "is fluffing or not," considering the scarcity of his posts you noticed in past games AND this game. And the Zubullu comment was totally null and a typo obviously.

I can understand scumreading Us because Molla is townier just on the basis of being more active and engaged than Us, but your read on Us is a result of a "townread" on Molla. Anyways, We will get to thebottom of this

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anyone who hammers before me will feel my wrath
I'm down for this.

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VOTE: Zebulin
That was amusing. How can you not laugh at flailing?

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We Prefer Serra and Hopkirk to go fwiw

Zeb unless you cross vote Molla, We won't consider changing Our mind/vote

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There is no reason to make further considerations if you aren't going to vote Molla. A Molla lynch then becomes impossible. That leaves only two choices. You, and Me. Please don't twist my words.
A vote on Molla makes no sense and has no point given you townreading him, and you thinking We are more scummy than Molla.

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The problem for me is that I'm

not

scumreading you or BBMolla, and it's very frustrating. Either we're the townbloc, which is unlikely and shouldn't be discussed at this point in the game, or one of you two is a master scumplayer, which is terrible for town in general and means I'll probably die D1 (I'm not exactly the towniest-looking player in any of my games, and I was being hammered until 5 minutes ago). I'm trying to get Courage to post more, since it seems only Wisdom is posting real walls at all, but when scum is in a townread and a leaning-townread and I'm widely being scumread I'm not sure what I can say to not die.

At this point I'd say Hopkirk, Witness and Perpetual are the scum, but Witness is my only real scumread. Hopkirk is leaning-scum and Perpetual is leaning-town, but not as town as BBMolla. ( I'm starting to suspect BBMolla simply because my main townreads my last 2 games have been scum in lylo. :/ )

P-Edit: Keep in mind these are page 5 reads. There's not going to be that much behind them compared to page 20+ reads.

Also, explain why you referred to Us and Molla (if scum) as "master scumplayers." That can't be farther from the truth.

Then, why are you defending your play as not scummy because "you didnt look townie in your past games."

And remind Us what Molla has done lately/recently that suggests he is really town?

Also, what do you have to comment about regarding the gamestate?

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I just realized:

The "universal townread" players; goodmorning, serrapaladin, and BBMolla.

The players who aren't posting much lately; goodmorning, serrapaladin, and BBmolla.

I'm going to go check to see if any of the 3 are posting in other games but not this one.

not universal. You're relying on Molla "not fluffing early like past games, and also asking lots of questions" as a reason for townreading him.

Right now, I see you're prodding people to talk more and checking on their activity. However, if you're town, your survival means the most right now to you, more than figuring our the other blocks seeing as you're the one most likely to die right now, being the only one player with a majority of two votes.

From my POV, your only chance is to vote me and make a push for me if you don't want to die, as you don't believe Molla is scum (far from that). But, that pushing isn't happening, and you're simply "townreading" both Molla and me, and not really appearing to try to pressure either of us. That is worrying.

So, now you finally voted me when I prodded you to vote Molla or die (LOL), but still haven't asked any constructive questions to me. Although, I will admit the one about asking why I won't consider changing my mind unless you vote Molla was pretty clear to me (but not you, I understand it was not phrased well) to mean that it's a waste of my time to even think about voting Molla if you have him as strong-town and would only vote me if forced to vote.

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I haven't been here often or nearly enough, but since I haven't been able to stay focused on the other blocks (or the majority of the players in this game, for that matter), I'm going to spend my time today (24 hours probably shoudl be enough) just working on my own Block, as I have at best a 50% chance (if scum is in my block) of getting scum out of my block.

Whereas, picking blindly out of the other two blocks has at best a 33% chance. And, I'm not relaly getting a good hold on what's going on in this game due to three separate blocks, three separate voting blocks, etc. Like I have procrastinated for a week now.

Just, wild. lol

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Trying too hard to be casual.

Isn't that what RVS is supposed to be, though? If scum feel relaxed instead of pressured they are much more likely to say something stupid early game imo. That allows you to scumhunt effectively and make the right call come in-game sundown. I get that appearing town is what scum would want to do, but it's also what town wants to do. I've been mislynched in lylo my last 2 games, and this is basically 3 lylos.

VOTE: Perpetual Nonsense BBMolla's answer to my question seems town (also just seems town in general), and I don't see at all how Scripten or Hopkirk are very scummy at this stage in the game.

Also, he rejects top hats. That is a grave disappointment.

Going to meta-dive Perp and BBMolla.

Not really relevant, but this isn't three LYLOs

Only tomorrow Day 2 has the chance of being a true 2v3 lylo

So your excuse for it being lylo and thus your being not sure what to do to avoid dying (and thus having problems finding the courage to post more)

Doesn't add up - it's 2 v 7 and with your logic (can't quote on phone) can play loosely in this situation

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Ok, since this is a thing now...

hopkirk -> Goodmorning (vietnam!!!)

scripten -> beast -> serra

PN -> zeb -> BB

I would like to see everyone let their preferences know because I am seeing a pattern so far that is making me a little uncomfortable.

You don't like the pattern so far of preferences, yet your preferences with the "least preferred"- Serra, bb and gm - are the same as most?

What could be making you uncomfortable them?

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Then*

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PN what is your read on me

no clue. But you know that from past games (I think Timeshift) where I deferred and hoped the rest would townread you since I have no clue. Same with the 1610 game which I got lynched in - you were SK and I had no clue.

the other groups seem to 'prefer' me gone (their opinions have become more numerous since I became active), and it does make me worried what their agenda is. However, that's paranoia and bottom line is they can't vote me, and words are just words.

I do know that 'Our' group is the focus of most discussion, which is disappointing as the other groups need more resolution. Probably because 'Our' group is the most active lately and the other groups have people coasting and/or just plain busy IRL.

I still think his thought processes (Zeb's) about me don't feel like he's trying to make sure he feels good about voting me. There's mostly talk about his 'percentages' in this game. Kinda rings empty. Lots of energy, sure, but not much else. Like passion, actively figuring out both Us and Molla (other groups too), or other things I attribute in my own past games. I see similarities in Our games and his because Zeb whined about getting lynched often and being lynchbait in past games, and stuff. So I use that to try to see in my microscope what I think of his play.

THese posts are assuming I'm just not counting BBMolla, but he still has a good chance of being scum. He's just not posting so I can't intercat with him and make a more educated guess as to his alignment.

His interactions are sort of one-way. He asks 'why' about everything, but there's so much more to talk about when he discusses my posts and your posts. There's much more he can go into considering how he is stressing how his interactions with you are lacking lately. So a certain openness is missing. Look at how he interacts with me/Us, and it's not quite as open as I'd like.

I didn't buy Gaiden's view about Zebulin at first, but I kinda see it now?

The problem with this post is that I don't have Molla as strongtown, not anymore. He stopped contributing to the discussion a while back and is basically prod-dodging, and that's dropped him to a null read.



Need to go to school now, will address other stuff later.

Here, he had just had Us as lean town earlier that day (hours ago), then says Molla has become null due to inactivity, yet just minutes ago he voted Us if you look at his previous posts. That doesn't add up.

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I had my doubts yesterday about whether there is scum in this neighborhood, or if Molla was just getting by me easily without me noticing, but eh that feeling subsided a little. Part just IRL not being here, part not thinking about the game and overthinking

Mind you, Zeb also doesn't look great on that last page, but I'd rather lynch PN.

Why doesn't Zeb look great on the last page? you could ask me things considering you were dead wrong about my slot until it was too late in our only old game together. I don't have anything to say to Lucky2u as I understand why he scumreads me (almost by default in past games), so it's not surprising to me, no. Your scumread doesn't surprise me either, but what's important i see now is that your group has Beastcharizard and Scripten, and right now looking back

I don't have a full-blown townread on zeb, but I have no doubt that town!zebulin could absolutely come up with an interpretation of BB's meta and apply it as in 110, be it correct or not. I somewhat liked that his early play felt somewhat loose. That being said. the only questions he's asked that are actually relevant to his actions and understanding of the game are why people are voting for him, which could well be the scummy flavour of self-preservation. There were some details in PN's posts that pinged more than anything by zeb though - mentioning how much time we have on the DL for one, and the unrequested list of whom to lynch, going very much along the path of least resistance. I don't buy that people can read that slot from the level of seriousness.

comments on why you have Molla as town please.

And also, why do you have Beastcharizard as scummier than Scripten? I can't find that in your ISO, and I know you're more articulate than that. Other than discussing Monty's whatever and how to best approach this game, your play hasn't been as notable as I expect it to be.

UNVOTE:

I think I'd probably rather lynch scripten between him and WP.

BC > scrip > serra

PN > zeb = BB

Why BC > Scrip? And what changed?

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lol

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Perpetual Nonsense.

lol

This is not a case.

lol

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I'll go to Books-A-Million tomorrow afternoon to look at this. Haven't had the time.

Off the top of my head,

POWER is a dumpster fire - GM hasn't given definitive reads on Hopkirk/Lucky outside of "they are hard to read," and thus has been hard to read herself. Plus, she is busy IRL regardless of alignment here. Hopkirk is giving the most effort, and that isn't saying much considering the rest of the group. Who knows with the unpredictable Lucky2u. No idea about that crew.

As for my block (whatever its name is), Molla has been Molla. Who knows. But Zebulin has had multiple chances to engage me regarding my comments on him, but sorta talks around Us instead. Not gonna fly.

The other group - Serra, Beastie Boy and Scripten - I say Serra. If he were trying to figure me out, that would be one thing: -->

Spoiler: past comments that weren't addressed by Serra

I had my doubts yesterday about whether there is scum in this neighborhood, or if Molla was just getting by me easily without me noticing, but eh that feeling subsided a little. Part just IRL not being here, part not thinking about the game and overthinking

Mind you, Zeb also doesn't look great on that last page, but I'd rather lynch PN.

Why doesn't Zeb look great on the last page? you could ask me things considering you were dead wrong about my slot until it was too late in our only old game together. I don't have anything to say to Lucky2u as I understand why he scumreads me (almost by default in past games), so it's not surprising to me, no. Your scumread doesn't surprise me either, but what's important i see now is that your group has Beastcharizard and Scripten, and right now looking back

I don't have a full-blown townread on zeb, but I have no doubt that town!zebulin could absolutely come up with an interpretation of BB's meta and apply it as in 110, be it correct or not. I somewhat liked that his early play felt somewhat loose. That being said. the only questions he's asked that are actually relevant to his actions and understanding of the game are why people are voting for him, which could well be the scummy flavour of self-preservation. There were some details in PN's posts that pinged more than anything by zeb though - mentioning how much time we have on the DL for one, and the unrequested list of whom to lynch, going very much along the path of least resistance. I don't buy that people can read that slot from the level of seriousness.

comments on why you have Molla as town please.

And also, why do you have Beastcharizard as scummier than Scripten? I can't find that in your ISO, and I know you're more articulate than that. Other than discussing Monty's whatever and how to best approach this game, your play hasn't been as notable as I expect it to be.

UNVOTE:

I think I'd probably rather lynch scripten between him and WP.

BC > scrip > serra

PN > zeb = BB

Why BC > Scrip? And what changed?

Spoiler: comments about Zeb that he did not address

PN what is your read on me

no clue. But you know that from past games (I think Timeshift) where I deferred and hoped the rest would townread you since I have no clue. Same with the 1610 game which I got lynched in - you were SK and I had no clue.

the other groups seem to 'prefer' me gone (their opinions have become more numerous since I became active), and it does make me worried what their agenda is. However, that's paranoia and bottom line is they can't vote me, and words are just words.

I do know that 'Our' group is the focus of most discussion, which is disappointing as the other groups need more resolution. Probably because 'Our' group is the most active lately and the other groups have people coasting and/or just plain busy IRL.

I still think his thought processes (Zeb's) about me don't feel like he's trying to make sure he feels good about voting me. There's mostly talk about his 'percentages' in this game. Kinda rings empty. Lots of energy, sure, but not much else. Like passion, actively figuring out both Us and Molla (other groups too), or other things I attribute in my own past games. I see similarities in Our games and his because Zeb whined about getting lynched often and being lynchbait in past games, and stuff. So I use that to try to see in my microscope what I think of his play.

THese posts are assuming I'm just not counting BBMolla, but he still has a good chance of being scum. He's just not posting so I can't intercat with him and make a more educated guess as to his alignment.

His interactions are sort of one-way. He asks 'why' about everything, but there's so much more to talk about when he discusses my posts and your posts. There's much more he can go into considering how he is stressing how his interactions with you are lacking lately. So a certain openness is missing. Look at how he interacts with me/Us, and it's not quite as open as I'd like.

I didn't buy Gaiden's view about Zebulin at first, but I kinda see it now?

The problem with this post is that I don't have Molla as strongtown, not anymore. He stopped contributing to the discussion a while back and is basically prod-dodging, and that's dropped him to a null read.



Need to go to school now, will address other stuff later.

Here, he had just had Us as lean town earlier that day (hours ago), then says Molla has become null due to inactivity, yet just minutes ago he voted Us if you look at his previous posts. That doesn't add up.

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So Molla is Town after all. Hm.

I would call this whiteknighting if it wasn't for the fact that those posts really are town.

Uh. What?

You haven't talked about BBMolla until now, and then you come up with a strong townread. If the posts weren't towny posts it would be really suspicious.

Here's a question. How were those posts townie posts?

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I made it before deadline. We were gone since Friday.

Goodmorning needs to come in and vote.

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Serra is town and I don't know what you people are thinking.

I don't know what you're thinking.