New York 180 (Endgame)

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: SilverWolf

Here's the other one

[Aeronaut]

It's because wake is a house alt

[Aeronaut]

Why you wanna have me vote?

Why are you avoiding a vote? that's not like you.
CONFORM

It's because wake is a house alt

It (The House who's user name is House) say's its not an alt or I think that's against the rules or something unless its a hydra I guess? Then though they wouldn't have separate accounts, would they?

It's a running joke, except I reversed it. It's actually against the rules to have two accounts in the same game, for pretty obvious reasons

[Aeronaut]

It's because wake is a house alt

It (The House who's user name is House) say's its not an alt or I think that's against the rules or something unless its a hydra I guess? Then though they wouldn't have separate accounts, would they?

Also, Cheetory6's programming thing is kind of funny. If I have time I will try to debug

They are different people, completely unrelated. I've met House. People just get him confused with Wake, so it's funny to say he's a Wake alt.

Also, this playerlist! I like it!

I also really like this player list

[Aeronaut]

Me too :/

[Aeronaut]

What's wrong with more than one vote on wake?

[Aeronaut]

I'm hungry for a candy bar right now................................

Would you say you could

kill for one

?

LEADING QUESTION OBJECTION YOUR HONOR

[Aeronaut]

This game's is too polite

[Aeronaut]

[Aeronaut]

Ok.... If I must.

Spoiler:

Once apon a time, there was an ugly barnicle. He was so ugly, everyone died. The end

[Aeronaut]

Busted

VOTE: TSO

I'm in favor of this over the current circlejerk

[Aeronaut]

Ok. Let's generate discussion

@Everyone: what's the biggest flaw in your towngame? Your scumgame?

[Aeronaut]

For me as town, I tend second guess myself too much; I always assume I'm wrong and vote with the crowd, when I should have gone with my gut.

As scum, I have a lot of trouble when the game gets that awkward point where the only scummy people are the ones aligned with you; I usually freak out and choke, and then get lynched. It's a vicious cycle.

Anyone who's played a game with me can vouch for that.

[Aeronaut]

I mean, I guess that's a pretty big flaw

[Aeronaut]

Ok. Let's generate discussion

@Everyone: what's the biggest flaw in your towngame? Your scumgame?

Weird fact: I usually draw Scum when I have the flu.

.... Do you have the flu?

[Aeronaut]

I just only draw town, always, all the time, so you should assume as such

[Aeronaut]

Hi Silverwolf~ I missed playing with you

[Aeronaut]

Damn, foiled my plan.

[Aeronaut]

The point in 24 where

Silverwolf

asks why I don't want to vote when I actually said I'll reserve my vote for now... feels off. Slight difference there. I do want to vote, but I'd prefer to be reserved with it. Something about Scum-Belisarius trying to get me to vote on a mislynch.


Vote reservation's part of my meta.

It's really
not

Or, not in the games I've played with you.

I will say that besides that, asking a lot of questions at the beginning of the game is typical wake meta.

Got my peepers on you.

Dammit, I was gonna use that picture

[Aeronaut]

I haven't played with scum-silver except for The Game Which Shall Not Be Named, which honestly is hard to get any sort of read off of. I think this seems pretty indicative of townie-SW so far.

[Aeronaut]

KC, what would you say her scum game is?

[Aeronaut]

I haven't played with scum-silver except for The Game Which Shall Not Be Named, which honestly is hard to get any sort of read off of. I think this seems pretty indicative of townie-SW so far.

I wasn't scum in that game. I was town who sacrificed myself for the greater good. BTW, I'm totally sorry I gave a gun to townie who shot you and you were town!!



Let's just pretend that never happened.

Oh yea. Me not even remembering your alignment shows how much I was actually paying attention that game.

Me and house were in our own special hood during that one. It was magical.

[Aeronaut]

Ehhh, true. I don't know why, I just remember you voting a lot.

[Aeronaut]

Yea. Shinobi is kind of eh this game. While I support a little pressure, they're trying too hard I feel :/

I actually want

every

player to answer my question, because reactions

[Aeronaut]

Is Shinobi a Thor alt?
I'm getting nightmares of my first game on this site.

He was in my first game too. I needed a stress ball.

I'm wary of people being so confident in meta this early on in the game
Has Silver really said enough at this point for the three of you to be so confident in her being town? Is what I'm reading as forced tone come across as playstyle or what?
Also, when's the last time that the three of you have played with her?

Are you saying SW has forced tone, or we do?

Idk, her tone feels genuine for now, to me, as well as similar to town games I've played with her. I've played the game I linked with her and I think another one

Is Shinobi a Thor alt?
I'm getting nightmares of my first game on this site.

I'm wary of people being so confident in meta this early on in the game
Has Silver really said enough at this point for the three of you to be so confident in her being town? Is what I'm reading as forced tone come across as playstyle or what?
Also, when's the last time that the three of you have played with her?

playing another game with her right now. Though it started an hour ago and she hasn't said anything there yet.

Don't talk about ongoing games, the fuzz gonna get you man

[Aeronaut]

Never played with him before, actually.

[Aeronaut]

Wake, I miss the cheeky pictures in between your analysis(s)

[Aeronaut]

Oh

.

No, it's not necessarily a "crusade" against TSO for not doing a thing; rather, he's a player I'm intending to focus on during this day. I've played with him three times and townread him in every game I played with him. He was mafia in two of those games. I have absolutely no idea how to read him properly so I want to start pressuring him out of the gate to see what he does when the spotlight on him early.

Sure, his not posting while he should be posting bothers me, but that's not why I'm doing what I'm doing. If this is how you intend to handle my TSO pressure, then I'm perfectly okay with that.

YO.

Keep piling votes on TSO until he actually starts playing the game.

[Aeronaut]

Eh, you can check, I've never played a game with him.

He still hasn't commented on that post, either. But of course, neither have I

[Aeronaut]

If you shoot a Vampire with a silverwolf it dies

[Aeronaut]

Eh, you can check, I've never played a game with him.

He still hasn't commented on that post, either. But of course, neither have I

Yes I have.

Where?

[Aeronaut]

If you shoot a Vampire with a silverwolf it dies

Oh that's right. I have Silver in my name. I have nothing to fear then.

That's an old myth too. It's lead and cheap jewelry that I need to watch out for.

and Tribbles

[Aeronaut]

Because, uh, it looks okay and I can see how you think those things.

Eh

[Aeronaut]

You know what I just realized? Almost the whole playerlist from the game that shall not be named is also in this game,

Including the Mod

Oh god PTSD

[Aeronaut]

Aw you people all know each other, I feel like an outsider :/

I

[Aeronaut]

Biggest flaw in scumgames:
Endgaming is not my forte. I lack stamina because I have to wear an itchy townsuit and my balls start to sweat.

This is the most accurate thing I've ever read.

One thing I deal with, due to past foolish actions, is Scum trying to bank on me to win them the game.

I mean, we could also talk about the Other[/url Game Which Shall Not Be Named, in which I killed more scum as the SK than you did as the Vig...

The real problem is real-life work totally f***** my ability to play this awesome game with those I appreciate and respect.

See, you and I do the same thing, where we join like five games at a time, even though we know we could barely manage one; It's like an addiction.

@mod

Maybe prod TSO?

I think it's very possible T S O forgot this game existed, tbh. It's a very T S O thing to do

[Aeronaut]

Wow that link was not meant to keep going, that's weird.

[Aeronaut]

Wake, if you were to be voting for someone, who would you vote for?

[Aeronaut]

I think it's very possible T S O forgot this game existed, tbh. It's a very T S O thing to do

I forgot this game existed.

[Aeronaut]

Dammit, T S O, they caught us

[Aeronaut]

Yea. Don't forget the cubans

[Aeronaut]

House is the Tuco Salamanca of Mafia

[Aeronaut]

It's alright, we can get more! #ThanksObamaForReal

[Aeronaut]

I forgot this game existed. My men, I'll forgive you by personally digging the graves for the dead bodies of scum after I lead the charge in hanging them.

Let's get down to business.

and whose grave are you starting with?

Errr, SilverWolf? I haven't seen much yet leaping out as scum to me, but I think my wagon is mainly composed of town, albeit derptown.

Silverwolf is townier than you are by 50 yalms, brah.

Is this a "Silver is my friend/acquaintance therefore town" read, a "you said Silver's scum, so now I'm gonna call Silver town" read or an actual townread on Silver? If it's the first two, I don't really want to know. If it's the last, feel free to tell me why.

The first two don't hurt, but no... it's the third.

Anyone that is familiar with SilverWolf can tell when she's playing her town game. She's actively feeling players out, looking for input, and basically just being her usual townie self. Scum Wolfie is not nearly as inquisitive, she's more lurky & manipulative.

Yes, she's that easy to read. Check her meta if you don't believe me (I wouldn't believe me, either... so check her meta).

I don't necessarily agree with this. Yes, scum SW is differentish, but now that we've all gone and talked about it for three pages, it's nullish.

[Aeronaut]

You were already voting for me.

That's also not even close to what I said

Oh house

[Aeronaut]

Eh.

[Aeronaut]

So... you're voting me because I was a serial killer in a different game, and so that means I must also be a serial killer here?

[Aeronaut]

I don't especially like TSO's entrance into this game at all and I'm perfectly fine with my vote where it is.

What don't you like about it?

@Boonskies, It kind of looks to me like you're just trying to make it

look

like you're contributing something useful, especially after Town!Boon in that same game was so very nonchalant.

[Aeronaut]

T S O's catchup was good, IMO... however it does seem sort off from what your average T S O does work-wise. It almost struck me as a Wake post, which is basically the polar opposite.

[Aeronaut]

Because he's not wake.

I didn't say it was scummy necessarily, just a little bit off for me.

[Aeronaut]

By Wake post, I mean a longish, thought out post.

[Aeronaut]

Paranoia is sort of justified in Mafia, when you actually do have people in your group that want to deceive and murder you, so...

And as was said before, Scum-Belisarius is just one example of Scum trying to get me to mislynch someone. *Can provide links.

Who would you vote for if you had to right now?

I also asked this and did not get a response. am also curious of the answer.

[Aeronaut]

Wake if you vote for someone, that's a scumclaim and we're turbolynching you

[Aeronaut]

Paranoia is sort of justified in Mafia, when you actually do have people in your group that want to deceive and murder you, so...

And as was said before, Scum-Belisarius is just one example of Scum trying to get me to mislynch someone. *Can provide links.

Who would you vote for if you had to right now?

Not sure.

We have limited knowledge,

and I can already see the kvetching from various sorts no matter who I vote

and I would rather vote when I feel good about it. The game just started. What is the justification for voting someone currently, when we have barely had enough discussion to warrant votes based on analysis and reads?

Who would

you

vote for, and why? Is it based on knowledge, guesswork, feeling, or a combination of the three? We don't have workable knowledge, because no deaths or claims have occurred. Guesswork and feeling is rampant, and more often than not, incorrect. You ask me who I would vote for right now, and I say I simply don't know, because I don't, and if that is not good enough for you then there is not much else I can tell you at the moment, because my life does not revolve around this awesomely complex game.

I do have initial feelings regarding certain players, but you practically demand that I vote yet will undoubtedly scoff at the feelings behind the reasoning for said vote. You probably want me to vote in order to pick apart and attack it, which in itself is disingenuous, and further makes me want to choose my actions wisely, because I like to have solid reasoning behind each and every one of my actions in general. If I felt your intentions were honest, that you wanted to know who I'd vote for without also planning to attack it, I'd be more inclined to do so.

Who would I vote for right now? I don't know, and I am perfectly fine with that.

Alright. I'm going to say it; this sort of looks to me like you intentionally trying to say a lot without saying much. You've just written a paragraph on why you don't want to give solid opinions. You're purposely not showing your angles, but letting everyone else show theirs.

C'mon Wake, you're better than this :/

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holy cow, I leave for a day and 5 new pages explode. Will take a look and post after work tomorrow, I'm sure several more pages will be up by then.

You leave for a day, you really should be expecting ten pages.

I do have initial feelings regarding certain players, but you practically demand that I vote yet will undoubtedly scoff at the feelings behind the reasoning for said vote. You probably want me to vote in order to pick apart and attack it, which in itself is disingenuous, and further makes me want to choose my actions wisely, because I like to have solid reasoning behind each and every one of my actions in general. If I felt your intentions were honest, that you wanted to know who I'd vote for without also planning to attack it, I'd be more inclined to do so.

WTF is up with this? I don't even know what to say to this. You don't want anyone to question your vote? I wasn't planning on attacking you Wake.

TSO picked apart my vote on him twice and said he didn't like it. Cheetory didn't like the tone of some of my posts and said so. Do you see me freaking out and squeezing a stress ball in the corner? Well, if I was squeezing a stress ball you wouldn't see it but just visualize it Wake.

I'm not sure what this is all about. I want to say townie paranoia but I'm not wanting to townread this behavior or call it scummy. Maybe just null for now and keep an eye on it.

You have it completely wrong.

If I get into this game, it will create chaos. If I start to move things and stir the waters, things will happen. By nature I am a catalyst. Taking off these restraints and seeing to it that things happen in this game may cause some to not want to play with my style. It may sound self-aggrandizing to you, but it isn't, but the truth, and is both an immense strength and an immense weakness. I can be a very powerful player, but I can't really play if I turn some players off because of it.

There is no paranoia. There's only the restrained yet fearless desire to pierce through everything and everyone in order to pull out the truth. You stab at things to see how they bleed in Mafia. Some people don't like being aggressively interrogated. I'm not stressed at all. I don't want to seem to over-powering, because it's not fun having few to play with (we're not talking trolling or uncivil behavior: just being a strong-willed personality).

I can buy that, but the answer isn't to withdraw from the game. Otherwise, why play at all?

By turning into a passive participant, you're also depriving town of your abilities. When players are aware of your capabilities and not seeing it, that can come across as scum play.

@House,

having played with Wake quite a bit, do you think this is odd behavior, or out of the norm?

Sorry if I'm being a bit lazy this game.
yes I bandwagoned TSO.
I really do need to do some more reading.

This is worse than Viking's, IMO. self aware, excuses. Difference between you and T S O is that TSO just is lazy and doesn't give a shit who knows, but you feel the need to come in, apologize for it, and keep your town standing as someone who will (eventually) participate.

FOS: Jared

You should be more careful

I've got to say, the whole interaction between House / NJ seemed a little bit odd to me. The above quote could be a joke, but sort of strikes me otherwise. Sort of a gut feeling, there.

Okay, so maybe I *am* a little paranoid because that's the

only experience I have with him.

This is a false statement. We've played in multiple games together. Why are you using it to justify your vote?

the

So it's scummy for a pressure vote on a suspected scum now? Because I said it was for pressure?

You must be really pushing to vote for the people who were on the tso wagon then.

I already told you

Viking was a gut call. There are plenty of reasons to vote for him at this point.

My reason is trusting my instincts

Yea..... no.

VOTE: Dragon

If there are plenty of reasons to vote him, why are you calling it a gut call?

[Aeronaut]

Eh, Viking's not great, either. However, his posts consist of fluffy fluff, when Dragon is using some shit reasoning for what he's trying to do.

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@Cheetory: I'm not sure. I feel like I'd like a bit more out of him because his current lack of activity bothers me, and the way he consulted his wagon was pretty much exactly how I would handle it if I were scum. Someone of his townreads seemed very empty. I don't feel particularly satisfied by what I've received, especially since I know he's going to read me as town either way because I know that he knows it sates me.

The only other person I would consider switching to would be acryon, for his #401. It felt like mafia trying to egg on bad analysis, especially since he didn't really seem to follow it up with anything.

Wouldn't you also scumread boon for giving said bad analysis?

[Aeronaut]

Could you like a game where that happened?

[Aeronaut]

@Cheetory: I'm not sure. I feel like I'd like a bit more out of him because his current lack of activity bothers me, and the way he consulted his wagon was pretty much exactly how I would handle it if I were scum. Someone of his townreads seemed very empty. I don't feel particularly satisfied by what I've received, especially since I know he's going to read me as town either way because I know that he knows it sates me.

The only other person I would consider switching to would be acryon, for his #401. It felt like mafia trying to egg on bad analysis, especially since he didn't really seem to follow it up with anything.

Wouldn't you also scumread boon for giving said bad analysis?

No?

:/ That doesn't make a lot of sense.

Could you like a game where that happened?

I think she's talking about offsite, we tend to lynch him early.

So is this common behavior for him, then?

I've never played with this guy before, but there's a few reasons I think he's worse than VikingFan right now. For one, look at this post:

I suppose that's possible, I found more meaning in the content of his post than the subject of it.

you are being way too friendly this game house.

fos

Looks like the Viking wagon id picking up. As he is one of my gut scum reads at the moment in going to jump on and see if more pressure will shake something free from him.

VOTE: viking

This is NOT a good jump. He joins the growing wagon because 1. "It's picking up", and 2. It just so happens to be one his gut-scumreads all of a sudden. That pings for me.

The thing that's more bothersome to me is him defending himself once his wagon forms; it simply sounds like someone trying

very hard

to be calm and collected, to keep making jokes under pressure, etc. It doesn't seem like a natural progression to me, just that he's inserting things all over to make him look less nervious. It's fabricated.

And, to be honest, I'm not exactly townreading Viking. However, I feel like some of the reasons being used on his wagon could be applied to a lot of players in the game. I'd be willing to look at him Day 2, though, and you can hold me to that if you like. I won't be voting him today, though.

I also have this slight paranoia about the first real wagon formed in a game this large; I feel like it's almost always scum motivated. That's more my own paranoia, though.

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I'm still trying to figure out why he's scummier than vikingfan.......................

Yeah, he isn't.

So looking at the votes:
Aero adds to dragon for the same reason as Boon and pisskop

Giving us the following VC for those two (pretty sure):

vikingfan

: acryon, SilverWolf, dragonspawn, Grib, Klingon, House, Kitz [L-4]

Dragonspawn

: Boonskiies, Pisskop, Aeronaut, vikingfan, Nakedjogger [L-6]

The dragonspawn wagon certainly smells like a counterwagon to a scum wagon. If it is, I suspect Aeronaut the most on the counterwagon (and of course vikingfan). Came in third on the wagon only after it clearly had a little traction and just sheeped Boon's reasoning (which isn't bad in and of itself, but it's hard to tell if Aero had his own reasons).

My reasoning was entirely different from Boon's, actually. It was about gut reads, but Boon was concerned with Dragon's post 393, While I was was concerned with Post 405, which came after Boon's original vote and posting. My reasoning was that the way he worded it; that he we was trying to pass Viking off as a gut read, but in the same sentence, was talking about how there's lots of other reasons to vote him. Why call it a gut read, then? It just looks like he's trying to give reasoning without giving reasoning, which is a huge scumtell in my opinion.

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Every one of Vikingfan's posts pings scum to me.

There's five.

I'll agree, post 416 is p bad.
349 Is not good, but it's something that at least five other people have said a variation of.
422, Dragon said almost the exact same sentence a few posts after that.

Etc. The arguments on this wagon are weak AF.

Spoiler:

Instead, Join the...

[Aeronaut]

I will take into account that he expressed suspicion of him before that post; I missed that entirely.

I hold true on the rest, though.

[Aeronaut]

Then is he just this unreadable enigma

[Aeronaut]

I like that one

[Aeronaut]

>Agrees with boon on dragonspawn.
>Scumread on dragonspawn disappears based on nothing.
>Summarizes useless information for no reason.

I am happy with my vote.

Can you elaborate on this?

[Aeronaut]

Yea, see, I'm not really inclined to buy the whole "It's OK, he always looks scummy" argument. You could just let anything fall under that umbrella.

[Aeronaut]

Who mentioned your playstyle?

[Aeronaut]

Yea. I think Viking is someone who can be easily painted as scummy, and Dragon is someone whose receiving quite a bit of resistance. Another reason why I don't see myself moving away, right now.

[Aeronaut]

@Klingon didn't see that post the first time. Does it make sense to read meta from other sites since the meta is very different there from here?

[Aeronaut]

I'm also not sure about house right now.

[Aeronaut]

@Klingon didn't see that post the first time. Does it make sense to read meta from other sites since the meta is very different there from here?

It's not so different. I can town/scumread House and SilverWolf based 100% on their behavior there.

btw -

Shinobi]/b] - Happy Scumday!!

What do you think of Silver / House at this time?

[Aeronaut]

I'm also not sure about house right now.

Right now? When

were

you sure about me?

When you were sure about me, what were you sure about?

When you were sure about me, what made you sure about me?

At what point did you lose your certainty?

I said that in the hopes that I might be sure in the future?

P-edit; I also think SW is town. Or, this is pretty close to how she was in the beginning of Antartic, and she was town AF there.

I think If I were hydra'd with house I'd just never post, and then we'd win.

[Aeronaut]

That being said, I don't really agree with what's she saying.

[Aeronaut]

Pretend it's a period, then, if it pleases you.

[Aeronaut]

True statement

[Aeronaut]

That being said, I don't really agree with what's she saying.

What in particular don't you like about what I am saying?

I don't agree with your stance on Dragon, here. While I understand that he gets himself in a bad position early each game, that argument still is null at best. The fact that people keep using it really disturbs me.

Here's why; Say this is how he usually is. Dragon rolls scum this time around, it's possible that he intentionally or unintentionally acts the same way, especially in a game full of people he knows. If I were him, and I had that reputation, I'd

make sure

to act exactly as I always act around them, because otherwise they'd suspect me.

His scum huntin' is super duper fake, even for Day 1 standards. LYNCH IT!

:/

I'm also not loving boon this game, tbh.

I'm actually interested in the lynchbait vs. scum conversation. If you called vikingfan or dragonspawn lynchbait - why? If you refer to either them as actual scum (House you in particular seem to use the terms interchangeably at a point) then point out why and the difference.

vikingfan, I haven't gotten an answer from you - you stated that Grib was not bussed for his V\LA comment while you were bussed. Do you see why that is a scum slip? It implies that both you and Grib are scum and that one or more people from you wagon are scum.

Do people think that this scum slip means someone on viking's wagon is his scum buddy? Why or why not?

I skimmed through one of the town and one of the mafia games you linked to vikingfan, it seems like both are from 10 or so years ago. First, have you been playing mafia since then under another or alt account or offsite? Then, your town meta from that game seems to be more aggressive - would you agree?

Horse is beeing agreeable so far.?

Many people are town reading SilverWolf.

Also, considering some of the replaces - what is your or this site's theory on replaces having a higher then average chance of being scum?

dragonspawn, so you have nothing of value to add other then wanting to converse about vampires and horses? I agree with you it can be hard to read players without knowing them but of the different types of things you could do to get a better sense, which have you thought of actually doing so far? And where?

I've got to be honest, this post reads as mostly fluff questioning to look busy, especially since you haven't taken a stance yourself. Like, what's the point of the last question? Are you going to start scum reading people as they replace, at L-11, on day one? That's a bit silly IMO.

You're asking for "people's opinions", but not giving any of your own. I'd like to know your personal opinions on all of the questions you've asked.

Too busy today, will post late tonight (3AM EST) at the earliest.

General question for people who've played with Grib, is he generally more active? I got the impression that he was talkative at the beginning of the game for some reason.

[Aeronaut]

Also, large storm coming in my area, so I may not be able to access the internet for a day or two if the power goes out. I think I should be fine, though.

[Aeronaut]

Actually, after looking at the most recent votecount (I'm not flipping through all 24 pages at this late hour), nobody's voting for me so I'll just go for SilverWolf and House since I know those two have been the two players most vocally against me. Post 62 is pure fluff, a lot of ppl are buddying up to her early on. She admits she is susceptible to buddying and accepts Grib's answer without further complaint and has a defense of Grib in her last post in this game (noted for future reference based on how one of these players flip). I find it extremely interesting that she says her weakness as town is being too indecisive (she's been VERY decisive where I'm concerned this game) and she says as scum she sucks at manipulating people but yet people have been buddying up to her this game, which is extremely interesting since the reverse in both situations is happening this game. Spends a ton of time talking about games she's played with other people in this game (of which I am not one). BTW, I find it extremely interesting that I am the common target on Day 1 and yet when I look at ika's votecounts, I don't show up on many of them, which is indicative to me that though people are voting me, they're also taking them off before ika does his votecounts.

As for House, notes early on that he believes Silver is town, defends Silver when she is attacked, has a LOT of quick fly-by-night posts with not so much substance, and he and Silver have been pretty much buddy-buddy all game from the start. Not sure if this is due to alignment or just being friends though. Refuses to even consider other possibilities besides that I MUST be scum which doesn't strike me as very wise. I've played mafia long enough to know nothing is absolute until the mod posts the death scene.

Ugh.. Are you paying attention to the game?

Aero-I'm not giving dragon a pass because I know him and know he is lynchbait, it's because I don't see anything particularly scummy or unusual from him. That said, I'd like to see some reads from dragon on someone besides me and Aero.

Does he have a usual scumgame that you recall?

That said Aero-Have you seen anything from vikingfan that even looks remotely town and not scummy as fuck? Has he shown much interest in the game like dragon has and many of us have. Is he scumhunting at all or trying to interact with anyone? Does it seem like he's using the playing dumb card because I'm sorry but even if you haven't played here in a number of years, I have a hard time believing you don't know what RVS is. I mean c'mon. Is he trying to put our mind at ease that he couldn't possibly be scum but rather lost town? I've seen that tactic used before by scum. His post voting for dragon is weak and his use of the term bussing instead of wagoning is not exactly reassuring me he's town. What townie would mix up those two terms? And finally, most scum lynches have quite a bit of resistance where town wagons generally don't. Vikingfan is meeting a hell of a lot of resistance in the form of a dragon counter wagon.

Viking kind of reminds me off the usual D1 lynch bait player, that people jump on immediately. Think of him as Beeboy from Antartic. Basically a player who simply plays strangely, is an easy target, and everyone scumreads that person because of that. I think that Viking is probably that player, and so I've been reluctant to vote him.

Having said that though, that argument could apply to Dragon as well. I will say that I don't see viking doing a lot for the town. They're both just sort of defending themselves, and I'm not liking that Viking decided to only scum read the two people pushing most for him.

I do agree with House about information, I think. And looking at the people I'm on this wagon with, I'm not liking a lot of them, namely Boon, and I'm starting to wonder about NakedJogger and his motives.

I'm also a lot less confident lately because of ~reasons~. So eh. If I sheep you today and we're wrong, will you promise to look at Dragon tomorrow?

[Aeronaut]

Because honestly, if we keep him alive today, it's just going to be the same song and dance tomorrow.

[Aeronaut]

So when you tried to scumread House and Silver without actually reading past page 12?

[Aeronaut]

VC 1.0

Pisskop: ABR [L-10]

FA_Q2: Cheetory6 [L-10]

Wake88: croboss [L-10]

T S O: Jared615 [L-10]

acryon: Shinobi [L-10]

ABR: elusive [L-10]

vikingfan: acryon, SilverWolf, dragonspawn, Grib, Klingoncelt, House, FA_Q2 [L-4]

Dragonspawn: Boonskiies, Pisskop, Aeronaut, vikingfan, Naked jogger [L-6]

Not voting: TSO, Wake88, kitz

21 alive, 11 to lynch

(expired on 2015-02-22 00:00:00)

Mod notes: replacing croboss

Not to mention, that this was the most recent vote count...

[Aeronaut]

ika(mod)

, will you please confirm that at the time I made my post, you had merely typed, 'vote count holder' there? there was NO vote count there at the time I made my post!

Ok, didn't realize this.

Still, it sort of shows you didn't actually read past page 12, or so.

[Aeronaut]

Elusive, Why go through the entire game and summarize the wagons if you weren't going to vote for either of them anyway?

[Aeronaut]

I don't know if he's scum, but he's scummy.

The definition of waffling.

Hey, guys, want to lynch this instead?

[Aeronaut]

Oh, I think I said I'd vote for him.

VOTE: VikingFan

Elusive/Dragon/Boon should be looked at tomorrow.

[Aeronaut]

I think that's L-2

[Aeronaut]

Why's that, wake?

[Aeronaut]

Will probably start posting again when acryon is around.

Why is your posting dependent on Acryon?

[Aeronaut]

Just lynch Boon.

Isn't a vikingfan lynch more informative? If he does flip scum then there's a lead to follow? If he flips town it gives different set of information?

Why are you pushing for a lynch but not voting for them?

[Aeronaut]

UNVOTE:
:/

As much as I wasn't really sure about Viking, I definitely was not getting cop vibes there.

Just lynch Boon.

I don't know if I've ever seen your scum game, but this behavior does seem consistent with your town game. Going to lean town On abr right now. Even if you I don't agree with your choice at the moment.

That's sort of a random comment

Jared has posted the 8th, 10th, 12th, and 14th, one line each time with no substance. He's here, he's reading, but he's not playing. Let's see if we can get some action going.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Jared

That could be said about a lot of players, though. Jared, Grib, Boon who openly admits it. Etc.

I need to re-evaluate. I wouldn't mind seeing Boon or Dragon hang today, to be honest.

[Aeronaut]

@Elusive, what makes you think that Dragon vs. Viking is town on town?

[Aeronaut]

Hmm...I never unvoted him. Did something happen that reset the votes? I was the first person to vote dragon,

VOTE: dragon

no its just me fucking up VC again

Why do you feel the need to tell us that you were the first one to vote? Nobody was arguing that.

dragon-You seem to be making a lot of excuses for not providing content D1.

This.

dragon-You seem to be making a lot of excuses for not providing content D1.

Hold your horses. I'm doing more than you realize. I think I'm doing more than you might realize.

See like, what's the point of this post? You're just trying to shove it in our faces that you've been doing things

It seems likely that is what it is. The most suspicious one of them is FA though. He has actively been suspicious of me and yet votes for Viking. By it makes sense that he might do that just from knowing my meta.

Well, I was actively suspicious of you, and was voting viking, but you're town reading me.

FA is still scummiest to me.
People should vote him.
Silver should remember to go back and read him for me please.

What is your case on FA? Sorry if I've missed it, link it if that's the case.

Dragon

Wolf because of meta. House a combo of meta and other reason.

-Please explain what scumWolf plays like.
-Also explain your House read as best you can.
-What did the Viking wagon tell you?

Day 1 I usually do put more stock in meta. Otherwise we usually have nothing to discuss.

I don't agree with this. Reaction testing, pressure voting, and examining the motivations behind posts work as well or better than meta. Meta is only one way to scumhunt.

---

You must be really pushing to vote for the people who were on the tso wagon then.

considering you guys made it clear you were voting for tso to pressure him until he stopped lurking.

why would the scum bother trying to counter a tso wagon if he was scum? Every indication was that the tso wagon was meant to put pressure on him to respond. He responded and the wagon everyone's attention was elsewhere before the wagons took off.

What is your fixation with TSO's wagon? You sure mention it a lot.

Hey, Pisskop. You seem to be asking a lot of questions and not doing much with them. What's your view on recent events and the game state as of now?



I'm not quite sure about that claim, TBH, as it reminds me a little bit of the gunsmith claim I made in simple complexity, just the way it was carried out. Having said that, doing anything about it is kind of useless today. If somebody else has a CC, I'd say keep it to yourself until tomorrow, so that we could not only lynch this guy, but have a confirmed townie tomorrow as well.

[Aeronaut]

Here is a brief case before I have to run:
i) His vote was really sticky earlygame on RVS votes while he was calling other people scummy and would have had more of a basis in voting for them.
ii) At one point he defends Elusive in such a way that it comes back around and feels moreso like a defense of himself and it just looks really sleazy IMO:

When the person that was 'pressured' to responds fails to do so and is not in threat of lynching at the time, what is scummy about vote parking until there is a better candidate. I usually do this as well tbh and don't move my vote until there is someone that I read as scum. It is why my vote sat so long on shinobi until viking started posting like scum and the case against him pulled my vote.

iii) His push on Elusive now makes that defense look even worse and the push itself feels a little opportunistic. Like he was weighing what the public opinion was of Elusive before jumping on or something.

2nd

Am I doing it right?

[Aeronaut]

Oh wow, that 2nd was for the replacement, not for cheetory.... nessesarily.

In the middle of replying to that, Cheets. Didn't see it before I posted before

[Aeronaut]

and I know meta isn't the only way to read people day 1 but I've found it effective.

I agree that meta can be effective to an extent, but it seems like you're relying on only that to read people, as well defending yourself (e.g. you've been quick to accept people reading you as someone who gets lynched early). Are there other things your relying on besides that?

FA is still scummiest to me.
People should vote him.
Silver should remember to go back and read him for me please.

If he doesn't get lynched, he's an excellent cop check tonight. He's playing way too under the radar. I haven't even been thinking about him which reminds me of my scum play to a certain extent-at least one aspect of it anyway. Contribute enough to not be lurking too much, but not so much that you are the center of attention either. Do nothing scummy but don't have everyone talking about you all the time either. In a game with 21 people, it's easy to hide behind them at the beginning of the game whether town or scum which is why I'm not putting too much stock in this right now. But he's suspicious to me for this reason alone. That's also one reason, the real active people aren't too suspicious to me right now besides the fact I haven't see anything suspicious from them yet.

I'd also feel safer doing this.

Here is a brief case before I have to run:
i) His vote was really sticky earlygame on RVS votes while he was calling other people scummy and would have had more of a basis in voting for them.
ii) At one point he defends Elusive in such a way that it comes back around and feels moreso like a defense of himself and it just looks really sleazy IMO:

When the person that was 'pressured' to responds fails to do so and is not in threat of lynching at the time, what is scummy about vote parking until there is a better candidate. I usually do this as well tbh and don't move my vote until there is someone that I read as scum. It is why my vote sat so long on shinobi until viking started posting like scum and the case against him pulled my vote.

iii) His push on Elusive now makes that defense look even worse and the push itself feels a little opportunistic. Like he was weighing what the public opinion was of Elusive before jumping on or something.

This case is alright, in my opinion. I'd like to hear a less abridged version when you're less busy. I think I'll try to look into FA a bit more, though.

Aeronaut, maybe my paranoia levels are high but the last point you made seem to give scum bright ideas about CCing tomorrow. If a player was cop and didn't CC today (which I think unlikely given they there is possibility of protection) then I imagine they are playing the long game and will wait for a scum result to claim. I don't know, a player ccing tomorrow - they would need to give us a scum to be believed.

I've read this post like three times and I can't quite figure out what you mean here. If scum were to fakeCC tomorrow, yes, that would get Viking lynched, however, when we saw the flip, we could just lynch the scum the next day. That sort of thing wouldn't really be worth it to the scum team, numbers-wise.

Aero,

the difference between you and Fa is that you are providing many posts of substance to look at. FA has not given me as much. In addition, you provided reasons for going to Viking. I didn't seen reasoning quite so strong for FA voting that way.

the post to wolf was mostly for her sake not anyone else.

so what do you think of FA anyway? What about cheetory, Jared, or grib?

I've been largely ignoring FA, but I agree a bit with what Cheetory is saying, so he's a bit more on my radar now. I think I'll make myself some tea and take a look at him and a few others I've been meaning to look into, mainly Wake and Pisskop. Jared strikes me as someone who didn't realize how big a game they were getting themselves into, especially given his join date. Null.

Actually, he's leaning town by the shitty wagon he's become.

Grib, I'm starting to wonder about. More on this later.

[Aeronaut]

Vote House

Someone else stated the reasons and I agree.

If Jared is replaced although I am still not a fan of the lurkers or the active lurker or the pretending to do stuff but lurking.

Is anyone but you even voting for house?

[Aeronaut]

Does anyone else have little sticky notes for each person In-game in which they write down notes about them?

I usually do it with smaller games, but I'm trying it for the first time on a game of people this size.

[Aeronaut]

(It's to see if the claim is legitimate)

[Aeronaut]

Oh jeeze, so many pages. Reading

[Aeronaut]

Not really liking Kitz's reaction to the pressure. Seems like a lot of telling us how calm she is, when she's not.

Also this

I'm just going to voice my opinion loudly. Albert B. Rampage is kinda scummy. Read the ISO, all posts are about voting, getting others to vote, fillers / fluff, base questions.
In short, I'm seeing no contribution, just sheeping and sheepherding. Opinions, guys?

Ok, so voicing your opinion loudly would implicate you voting. You're voicing your opinion softly, and then asking for our opinions before actually following through.

@Grib Son, you better start scumhunting or something because I'm going to lynch your ass off if you don't

Believe me, I think I'd have an easier time playing this game if I were scum. I have a hard enough time scumhunting when there are only 8 other players.

Tell me to do something. I'm a follower at heart, and I crave a sense of direction amid the chaos.

fake edit: none of that is particularly atypical for town!ABR.

This post really bothers me. For one, I'm not really a fan of the "If I were scum" approach to things. It reads to me like you're trying to make us believe scum would do the opposite of what you're doing.

The second thing is that you're literally asking us for our opinions before taking any sort of stance. That's just as bad as what Kitz did above, really.

Tell me to do something. I'm a follower at heart, and I crave a sense of direction amid the chaos.

Do you have any solid reads on anyone yet?

Townreads, yes. And because of [redacted], I honestly feel it's enough, at least for now.

But if you want scumreads, you'll have to direct me to a scummy player and I'll consult the gods.

"Tell me who you're scumreading so I can piggyback"

Explicitly non-normal roles cannot be in Normal games, in spite of the slots that allow unique roles. The Fruit Vendor, for example, isn't on the 'Normal' whitelist, nor is it considered 'explictly non-normal,' so it would be allowed. If somewhere I am completely wrong on this, please let me know immediately.

Hey, Wake, I understand that you're not fully healthy at this point, but do you have anything to add besides theory? It just seems like a random time / thing to contribute.

The deadline is in 4 days. I don't have time for this. I'm the town tracker. Let's lynch someone else.

This is unnecessary.

I'm not a fan of Rampage lynch day one because he's not a lurker and also he can be fun to watch.

Are you saying we can only lynch lurkers?

Meh, I can't read Kitz.

If we get close to deadline and need a lynch I'll hammer.

VOTE: Aeronaut

Post 97 looks like a way of giving himself an excuse to be on mislynch wagons.

This post is so incredibly random, especially seeing that you changed it to that player you can't read three posts later. Why are you scumreading me for a post I made 30 pages ago? That makes no sense, and you know it.

It looks to me like you were making it look like you were wavering, thinking it out, first, etc. Basic noise.

However, to make things a bit interesting, I have a confession. Was gonna post this regardlessly anyway.
I actually didn't know what roles are available. The only role I knew was my own, and I was all blind. I tried to look around this thread to see what roles are available, since I'm used to my own site meta that roles available are on the same thread - OP 1st Post. That made me overly neutral and would only open up later when I actually had an idea of stuff.
Thanks to the discussion of Wolf and House tho, I know what roles are around.

This really looks so much like you're trying to make us think you're naive or that you don't know what you're doing. You've been here for four months, looking at your join date. I find it hard to believe you didn't look up the setup or how it worked if you were curious at any time before this on the wiki or whatever. Even if you didn't, why bring it up now? Why not when the conversation was happening? That makes no sense to me. You included that in your defense of yourself to make us see you as a vulnerable newbie, and to distract us.

I'm not really buying that.

VOTE: Kitz

I'd also like see Grib or Elusive die today, but this seems like the cool wagon for now. Gotta look into house now too, I think.

[Aeronaut]

Because you and Kitz are pretty equal right now in my scum-pile. I'm probably in the minority thinking you're scummy, so you can wait until tomorrow.

[Aeronaut]

?

[Aeronaut]

Should we lynch their slots?

Um.....

[Aeronaut]

I'd like KC to explain 976 before anything else happens here.

[Aeronaut]

Hey Kitz, why are you still voting a claimed PR?

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: KC

[Aeronaut]

It's not a policy lynch, why try to pass it off as such?

You don't PL people for replacing out.

[Aeronaut]

Can we get a VC?

[Aeronaut]

Sorry guys, posting tonight at some point. Not in a great mindset

[Aeronaut]

Does a person deserve to die over a single post?

I think it really depends on the post. However in this case, that first post on it's own isn't enough to vote for her, it's her trying to justify it as any sort of relevant scum hunting. If people had gone along with that, it would be a little-to-no information lynch, which works out great for scum.

@KlingonCelt;

What was your reasoning for Kitz when you joined that wagon?

[Aeronaut]

Aeronaut is there a difference between how much thought you put into a post depending on alignment?

Not particularly, or at least I don't think so. Moreso, it changed with confidence; When I'm pretty confident I'm right, I tend to make shorter trollier posts, and when I'm less confident I tend to stay more on topic and be more analytical.

[Aeronaut]

Does a person deserve to die over a single post?

I think it really depends on the post. However in this case, that first post on it's own isn't enough to vote for her, it's her trying to justify it as any sort of relevant scum hunting. If people had gone along with that, it would be a little-to-no information lynch, which works out great for scum.

@KlingonCelt;

What was your reasoning for Kitz when you joined that wagon?

Her play was ... strange all along, it was this post that finally did it for me:

"In post 925, Kitz wrote:Oooooh shit~
...

That makes me L5?
I'm unaffected to this pressure. In fact, the voting is so fast that it's unrealistic and unreasonable.
One of these voters are definitely scum.

However, to make things a bit interesting, I have a confession. Was gonna post this regardlessly anyway.
I actually didn't know what roles are available. The only role I knew was my own, and I was all blind. I tried to look around this thread to see what roles are available, since I'm used to my own site meta that roles available are on the same thread - OP 1st Post. That made me overly neutral and would only open up later when I actually had an idea of stuff.
Thanks to the discussion of Wolf and House tho, I know what roles are around."

It was so wtf.

Ok, so that's pretty good reasoning. So, why move off that solid read and instead try to lynch three empty lurker slots?

[Aeronaut]

So you're trying to get us to vote for the empty slots, but you wont vote for them yourself?

[Aeronaut]

Aeronaut is there a difference between how much thought you put into a post depending on alignment?

Not particularly, or at least I don't think so. Moreso, it changed with confidence; When I'm pretty confident I'm right, I tend to make shorter trollier posts, and when I'm less confident I tend to stay more on topic and be more analytical.

I find it oddly meticulous that you conceived the answer and copied it, wrote and posted the question, pasted the answer, topped it off with a nonchalant remark:

What?

Ok. Let's generate discussion

@Everyone: what's the biggest flaw in your towngame? Your scumgame?

For me as town, I tend second guess myself too much; I always assume I'm wrong and vote with the crowd, when I should have gone with my gut.

As scum, I have a lot of trouble when the game gets that awkward point where the only scummy people are the ones aligned with you; I usually freak out and choke, and then get lynched. It's a vicious cycle.

Anyone who's played a game with me can vouch for that.

I mean, I guess that's a pretty big flaw

Describe your state of mind when you wrote this.

Uh, I wanted to generate discussion instead of circlejerking all day.

the third quote is just replying to someone who said that their biggest flaw was that they get lynched.

[Aeronaut]

So you're trying to get us to vote for the empty slots, but you wont vote for them yourself?

I was wondering how everyone felt about it. Don't be so derpy.

Yea, that's what makes it so scummy.

Instead of taking a solid stance on it, you felt to need to see if everyone was going to agree with you, which is so fucking terrible. If you were town, you wouldn't be afraid to have a different opinion, but here,

you're actively trying to fit in.

Scum.

Can. We. Please. Lynch. This.

[Aeronaut]

Anyone resisting this lynch should be lynched tomorrow.

[Aeronaut]

Bleh we need a lynch today. I'm AFK most of Tonight and Some of Saturday.

SilverWolf's post looks like gloating they are at L-10 instead of talking with me to see why I scumread them and TSO seems to be manufacturing questions.

If vikingfan is town then TSO/SilverWolf likely scum buddies.
If vikingfan is scum then Naked Jogger/Kitz likely scum buddies.

Why

Just for funsies....

VOTE: Mathblade

Let's do it!!!!!!!! Let's see how quickly we can lynch the crazy chick

Wtf

Silver Wolf you've seen me troll as scum

C'mon now be honest XD

...... is that a scumclaim

[Aeronaut]

what the hell is happening?

[Aeronaut]

I feel like the odds that Math is actually scum are pretty low

[Aeronaut]

although that might be what she wants us to think

[Aeronaut]

I need an asprin

[Aeronaut]

Spoiler:

[Aeronaut]

Could have been a scum diversion

[Aeronaut]

What was scummy about NJ there?

[Aeronaut]

ABR, what's your town case on Kling

[Aeronaut]

Hey, Klingcelt, does your butt hurt?

You know, from that fence you keep sitting on

[Aeronaut]

Spoiler:

[Aeronaut]

But really

Do good by your country, vote Klingoncelt today, for a brighter future tomorrow!

[Aeronaut]

hey ABR, can you answer this

[Aeronaut]

BTW, do we still want to do a pool of 3-5 people for me to investigate? Or should we just leave it wide open for me to pick from?

I would just do the ones that have low post counts (unknowns) and/or those that are suspected by people you are leaning town on.

I actually do not agree, here. It's Viking's call, but I think it should be one of the people who are being read as scum by a lot of people. That way you can clear them and help us narrow it down to an even smaller pool, or give us a guilty which would be even better.

[Aeronaut]

hey ABR, can you answer this

Hello Aeronaut, I don't have to do a thing you say.

Oh, I apologize, I forgot that you were god and aren't bound by the rules of us mere mortals.

Ellie why were you so obvious as to out yourself as a mason with an over the top defense of your partner when she wasn't even in danger?

Spoiler:

The deadline is in 4 days. I don't have time for this. I'm the town tracker. Let's lynch someone else.

Hey, Klingcelt, does your butt hurt?

You know, from that fence you keep sitting on

Ask the other USMBers that one. Hopefully they'll set you straight. Or I could.

I don't like voting unless I'm pretty sure.

There is one thing that I'm 100% sure of - if I get lynched today, Town will lose the game. Guaranteed.

Silverwolf is at USMB, and she's voting for you, soooooooooo...............

[Aeronaut]

Oh goodie, another softclaim.

Fuck that noise.

[Aeronaut]

Pisscop could be the cop.

If Klingoncelt flips scum this is a pretty damning associative towards pisskop.

Oh my god TSO can we please lynch her

They don't want to lynch her

I don't get it

[Aeronaut]

I think we should stop speculating on people's claims for now. I won't be voting for the people who've fully claimed something today, at least, and anyone who is being unproductive and anti-town. We have like half a day to do something, so if you're not on a wagon, pick one.

Preferably the KC one.

[Aeronaut]

To be fair, NJ looks kinda shitty too, but I like my vote better still.


Uh cheetory It's mostly just the refusal to vote or take hard stances, among other things. I can find the exact posts that really bug me when I get home, phone posting rn

[Aeronaut]

What?

[Aeronaut]

Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? I can't tell from your post

[Aeronaut]

Fuck yes

[Aeronaut]

Die Klingon die!

[Aeronaut]

Elusive why are you asking random questions ten hours before deadline?

[Aeronaut]

Boon I don't think you could have fucked up that post any more

[Aeronaut]

See MathBlade's ISO.

Mathblade's ISO just makes me want to lynch Mathblade

[Aeronaut]

I really don't like Elle either this game to be honest. Something about those questions seemed sort of out of place to me

[Aeronaut]

I never claimed mason. I said a missing puzzle piece could explain my posts, and that I doubt elusive would be lynched. Both statements are 100% true. Hardly my fault you guys misinterpreted.

Elusive is very unlikely to be lynched

after

my flip either.

Explain this post, please.

[Aeronaut]

Why are you ISOing random lurkers when we're 6 hours from deadline?

[Aeronaut]

I have faked guilties twice believably so now I'm fucked if I ever draw cop

That's awful.

[Aeronaut]

pisskop, etc., can you explain NakedJogger's choosing Grib of all people to make a case against (putting down a vote on a person without a wagon) and the disappearing? How is that town?

Vote NakedJogger

Eh I agree with this actually.

VOTE: Klingon

Lights out bitchees.

This was awful

I am somewhat annoyed that my vote ended up on an outlier wagon, but it's not like it mattered because this much was obvious.

If KC flips scum, just count me as one of the voters on the counterwagon.

This post really bothers me... If that much was obvious, why say it? Are you trying to take credit for being on the wagon?

[Aeronaut]

Wake is sort of like The Godfather, except that instead of leaving a horsehead in your bed, he just says "I will leave a horse head in your bed eventually if I get to it but in the meantime what's your favorite flavor of Gogurt?"

[Aeronaut]

I'd like to thank my mom and dad, for all their hard work bringing me to this point.

And of course, I'd like to thank the Acad------ KANYE???!!??!

[Aeronaut]

[Aeronaut]

Kanye ruined the SNL 40th

[Aeronaut]

Hope the scum aren't Kanye fans...

[Aeronaut]

It's that thing

[Aeronaut]

Is there a way to turn off seeing the avatars of certain people?

(Is there a way to unsee NJ's avatar)

[Aeronaut]

Sorry, I realized during the night that I had mixed up my role pms with another game. I'm unfortunately a VT. My bad...

I really, really don't like this. Like at all. ABR is a pretty experienced player here; I don't really see him making the two mistakes he made in this post.

Just a general note, anyone who thinks ABR + Vikingfan are on a scumteam together must be reading a different game than me, because that makes zero sense. They could both be scum, but they aren't together

So a vigilante or serial killer killed our first scum. Good job.

Going to check out some iso posts

This post doesn't sit well with me, really, just the way it's worded. It's like something robotic spewed out a very generic response to the kills, followed by a generalized "I'm gonna go read ISOs now"

I'm surprised ika didn't list it here but

I was attacked last night and left for dead but was saved (I'm guessing by boon)

. I'm not sure if it was a result of being saved or not but I didn't get a result, I had investigated Shinobi. otherwise, if my getting attacked didn't stop the result, then I'm guessing pisskop did.

I do agree that this looks pretty sketchy, though.

Is there someone that can confirm this to be true / not true? Like a link or something? Or is it a more generalized common knowledge thing?

[Aeronaut]

I think vikingfan is a town cop and telling the truth, but I am okay with his death and will probably hammer him if he reaches L-1.

wtf is this shit

[Aeronaut]

What would be the scum motivation for saying that though?

[Aeronaut]

I am sorry if this is overly harsh, but my time is rather precious these days and defending myself needlessly isn't something I particularly plan on doing this game.

Your last few posts are a textbook example of defending yourself needlessly in response to a very small amount of pressure, and make me think I'm onto something

Please explain the below post.

I think vikingfan is a town cop and telling the truth, but I am okay with his death and will probably hammer him if he reaches L-1.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Elle

[Aeronaut]

There is an i in my name, and if you think scum are in the habit of announcing they want to hammer the cop, okay?

Oh, excuse me.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Elli

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[Aeronaut]

I need to actually look back at grib, I recall not being a fan of a few of his posts.

[Aeronaut]

Sorry, I'll be posting a lot more tonight I think. Had a RL crisis pop up

[Aeronaut]

14 pages... Catching up :/

[Aeronaut]

Ok, before I start catching up on the rest I missed, is this post really something we should be ignoring?

If scum intended to nightkill viking, as he claims, why did they also roleblock him?

I'll say that I feel like ABR's opening today seems really sketchy, and TBH, I don't really believe that someone like ABR mixes up a role PM and then casually mentions an ongoing game... However, the above is a

really good fucking question.

[Aeronaut]

Wouldn't there be three kills then?


Also, Pisskop's role didn't specify a color or anything.

[Aeronaut]

No mang, there can be mafia and there can be werewolf, a mafia flip will be regular looking while werewolf flip would probably be yellow. There were two kills and viking claims he was saved so 3 shots in total from 3 antitown factions.. supposedly.

Ok.

VOTE: ABR

We could probably verify whether VF is playing the bullshit game after another flip, right?

For the record: I plan to play this game in the manner I usually play as confTown: either sloppy and ridiculous or lurky and tunneling.

Why would you say this?

[Aeronaut]

Can I talk to people who interest me? Shinobi, Aeronaut, where you two at?

Oh hai!

I'd be fine with lynching Elle, too tbh. She's sketchy AF. I feel like ABR's is worse right now though

[Aeronaut]

Aeronaut is probably scum (oh and great question about alignment of Pisskop, you're really reading carefully and that almost seemed like a town slip except it was such BS since his role aka "Mafia" was mentioned in the death scene). Boo hoo. VOTE: Aeronaut

What? I didn't ask a question about his alignment.

[Aeronaut]

Wouldn't there be three kills then?


Also, Pisskop's role didn't specify a color or anything.

What was this about? It did specify a color (red) as well as alignment (mafia).

No, I think if it were multiball it'd literally say "Red Mafia" or "Blue Mafia" or something.

[Aeronaut]

TSO, I want town to pressure the heck out of NakedJogger.

You want

town

to pressure him, or

you

want to pressure him? Because you're not voting him, and haven't been for awhile now.

Aeronaut, thanks for the clarification. What do you think of cheetory?

I think he's working his way into my lynch pool with that ATE he's trying to pull.

Then there is the scumslip he never follows up on and that is IT.

Scumslip?

The only games I've found of TSO are scum. In which he does the same shit. He can say he does the same shit as town but that doesn't make it true. If he's this unhelpful as town how does he convince anyone to be lynched without reasons.

I feel like you can't use this argument if you haven't also seen him as town.

Ozgin, Ellie and I know each other from another site. I wrote a fan fiction about her and some other people (yay MathBlade was in a fanfic too). Ellie is not the first or last person to hard defend me since I have a very clear town meta. Heck someone I only played one game with here did it too. Maybe one day you will too.

This means close to nothing. Elle was basically softing that your flip would conftown her, or at least that's what it looked like.

Why would Ellie bus someone who was not on the radar and nor had a wagon on them? Why?

Because Pisskop was unlikely to be lynched yesterday, so she figured she could pull off some distancing between them in case they both made it to late game.

Current Lynch Pool {ABR, Elle, NJ, VikingFan*}

*Would rather wait until tomorrow, to see if claim is legitimate.

[Aeronaut]

So you want other people to scum hunt for you?

Do you understand how bad that sounds?

[Aeronaut]

People voting NJ for cheating accusations are being stupid. That is not alignment indicative, and you're voteparking

[Aeronaut]

It's pretty likely that ABR is just scum trying to lead a lynch on a claimed cop, to be honest. I'm not planning on sailing on the ship today.

[Aeronaut]

And I'm with Mathblade on the accusation of cheating. such accusations don't belong in the thread and detract severely from the game. UNVOTE: VOTE: NJ.

Wake, this is scum. Please help me. I'm growing more isolated and I don't want to mislynch today.

I care about this game.

Question; Why do you care about this game all of a sudden, if you're a VT role which you hate being?

[Aeronaut]

Sorry, I realized during the night that I had mixed up my role pms with another game. I'm unfortunately a VT. My bad...

[Aeronaut]

Ok.

What excites you about the game, though?

[Aeronaut]

Why is Ellie a Serial Killer and not just scum?

[Aeronaut]

This game is sucking away my life force.

[Aeronaut]

It's pretty likely that ABR is just scum trying to lead a lynch on a claimed cop, to be honest. I'm not planning on sailing on the ship today.

Explain the lie of vf that "he was told the doc protected him" with a doc that didn't flip loud.

Loud?

[Aeronaut]

wat

[Aeronaut]

So.... who did you investigate last night?

[Aeronaut]

So.... who did you investigate last night?

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: VikingFan

I guess that's what we're doing today then

[Aeronaut]

I don't know if I would have had that much patience to be honest.

[Aeronaut]

Oh

VOTE: ABR

So their both faking this shit?

[Aeronaut]

ABR, on a scale of "not at all" to "lol this was all a gambit jk," how willing are you to be lynched to prove vf & I are mafia?

I am not willing to be lynched today. Tomorrow? I doubt I'll live to tomorrow.

Well, if we lynch you and you're telling the truth, that confirms two scum...

I feel like as a PR, getting us two guilties is pretty great.

[Aeronaut]

And if your scum, we've lynched one scum

Either way, lynching you kills scum.

[Aeronaut]

SCIENCE

[Aeronaut]

Please lynch this guy

[Aeronaut]

no

[Aeronaut]

What makes him so town TSO?

[Aeronaut]

My head is hurting

[Aeronaut]

I breadcrumbed shinobi town in case I died already.

I found this. ISO ABR and look for Shinobi.

So? We've only had one night since we started with day. He says he has a guilty on ellie and an innocent on Ellie but we've only had one night. That's impossible.

That's not how it works...

[Aeronaut]

Shinobi really doesn't make sense as an investigative target the more I think about it.

If he was going for a scumread he'd have gone Ellie.
If he was going for a lurker he'd have gone NS.

I don't believe ABR would investigate Shinobi.
I do think Shinobi looks like someone safe to claim is Town.

Vikingfan said he investigated Shinobi too.

But why did you personally investigate Shinobi?

[Aeronaut]

Have you ever seen a setup with town powerroles where one PR was every-night and the other powerrole was split between even/odd?

Yes. I designed one actually.

Setup was 2 Gunsmiths, one Full, one Even-Night.

Link.
Funnily enough, ika and Titus were both in it. So was TSO.

So was I

:/

[Aeronaut]

Mmm veggies. I'm hungry.

... You've all lost your minds...

[Aeronaut]

The end of days has come apon us

[Aeronaut]

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"

[Aeronaut]

Was thinking more the one where the bottle hits the cameraman if we're talking soda disaster feels, BUT YES

HAHAHahahahahHAHAHAHA

I loved that

[Aeronaut]

Oh Kitz, give me something to do...

Sure.

I'm curious. Make a full read on TSO, Aeronaut and NobodySpecial.

Why those three in particular?