New York 180 (Endgame)

[SilverWolf]

Hi everyone, good to see so many familiar names.

VOTE: Aero

Here's one of them.

[SilverWolf]

Hi FA, Could you do me a favor and get an avatar? It makes it easier for me to tell who is who around here.

Wake-Why don't you want to vote? All the cool kids are doing it.

[SilverWolf]

Good morning town *rubs eyes sleepily*

vote dragon

for voting wake .

Let's nail this guy for buddying me.

Yet, you don't vote for him. Why?

Hi FA, Could you do me a favor and get an avatar? It makes it easier for me to tell who is who around here.

Wake-Why don't you want to vote? All the cool kids are doing it.

Why you wanna have me vote?

Why don't you want to vote?

[SilverWolf]

I'm hungry for a candy bar right now................................

[SilverWolf]

All right TSO, you've been posting elsewhere. There's no excuse any more. Get in here and play.

VOTE: TSO

[SilverWolf]

VOTE: FA_Q2

VOTE: FA Q 2

Hi, What's up with the naked votes on FA? It seems they appeared one right after the other as soon as a wagon popped up on TSO.

Explain please.

[SilverWolf]

Hi SilverWolf! Your posts are looking especially lovely today.

I voted him to see what would happen. It's a work in progress.

Hi Grib! How are you? Good to play with you again.

I'm totally susceptible to buddying so keep up the good work.

I accept your answer.

[SilverWolf]

Hi Silverwolf~ I missed playing with you

Hi Aero, I'm really glad to be playing with you again. This player list is so awesome!!

[SilverWolf]

Ok. Let's generate discussion

@Everyone: what's the biggest flaw in your towngame? Your scumgame?

As town it's that I'm too afraid of being wrong and it makes me indecisive and unsure of myself at times.

As scum, I'd have to say it's that I suck at lying and manipulating people.

[SilverWolf]

Wake-Don't you know who dragonspawn is?

[SilverWolf]

The point in 24 where

Silverwolf

asks why I don't want to vote when I actually said I'll reserve my vote for now... feels off. Slight difference there. I do want to vote, but I'd prefer to be reserved with it. Something about Scum-Belisarius trying to get me to vote on a mislynch.

Vote reservation's part of my meta.

acryon

and

Silverwolf

, curiosity has me wondering whether or not you feel

elusive

's 48 (line 1) feels genuine.

I don't have a problem with elusive's 48 because I think he's just new and doesn't realize how common multiple votes are on a person in RVS.

Yeah, vote reservation may be part of your meta but I really don't like that you asked me to start a wagon on someone and then said you didn't want to vote on it.

If you check my games, I'm a big advocate of using the power of your vote. Not only does it apply pressure and get reactions, making it easier to read people but it makes it makes it easier to read the person doing the voting. I can't do that nearly as well without seeing who you are voting for and judging your motives.

You'd have a point about pushing to vote for a mislynch if I was trying to get you to vote for any particular person but all I'm doing is questioning why you don't want to vote at all because I consider it withholding info. from town and not only should townies not be afraid of getting a few votes but they shouldn't be afraid of casting one.

I don't know about you, but unless we are in lylo or in an L-1 situation, if someone does something scummy, I'm going after them with my vote. And you know that from seeing me play offsite too Wake. How often am I ever in unvote status?

I guess it's just a difference of opinion between the two of us on how to scumhunt effectively. Heck Wake, I'm about to IC my first newbie game and I have a blurb in my IC intro about using your vote and how important it is. That's just the way I play.

[SilverWolf]

Sorry elusive-I should of said she.

[SilverWolf]

but all I'm doing is questioning why

you don't want to vote at all

There it is again.

...

Not wanting to vote at all means right now Wake and not for the rest of the game and I think you are very well aware of what I meant by that and I also think you are very well aware of how I dislike my words being taken out of context or twisted. :/

[SilverWolf]

Silverwolf, it's cool, 48 was mostly because in the newbie game its like 5 or less to lynch so I was adjusting from that world to this world which is much bigger. What are your other scum hunting tips? What do you think about tunneling to pressure scum?

Tunneling is good if you think you have scum because pressuring them and questioning them is a good way to get them to slip up and say something incriminating. If you are town, and think you have scum, you should definitely go after them. But, when you are in a 1v1 type of situation you have to ask yourself if you actually have scum or if you are after town. I can sometimes tell if it's town simply because they answer all my questions or concerns with their words or actions and I no longer feel justified in tunneling them so I move on. If it's scum, they may try to avoid you or appease you instead where town often gets pissy about it. But not always. This is not a hard and fast rule.

Also, the best thing you can do is look at a person's posts and try to figure out the motivation behind them. Ask yourself:

-Is this something scum would say or would benefit from?

-Is this something town would say or benefit from?

-Do I agree with it?

These are some good starting points to get you on your scumhunting journey.

[SilverWolf]

but all I'm doing is questioning why

you don't want to vote at all

There it is again.

...

Not wanting to vote at all means right now Wake and not for the rest of the game and I think you are very well aware of what I meant by that and I also think you are very well aware of how I dislike my words being taken out of context or twisted. :/

...great, another faint bell rings in the distance.

Silverwolf, do you normally use stream-of-conscious posting as Town?

Do you even know who I am Wake? Have you not played with me before and modded many a game I have played in?

Yes, I do that all the time.

[SilverWolf]

I haven't played with scum-silver except for The Game Which Shall Not Be Named, which honestly is hard to get any sort of read off of. I think this seems pretty indicative of townie-SW so far.

I wasn't scum in that game. I was town who sacrificed myself for the greater good. BTW, I'm totally sorry I gave a gun to townie who shot you and you were town!!



Let's just pretend that never happened.

[SilverWolf]

Dragon, klingon and aero to a lesser extent.

dragonspawn has played with me many times off-site as well as Klingon and House.

House has played with me many times onsite here as well.

House and Klingon both just got out of a game with me where I was scum and they were town.

Aero and Grib have not played with me off-site but onsite here in a few games.

Wake has played with me a couple times.

Anyhow, here's the game where I was scum and House and Klingon were town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=60334

[SilverWolf]

Computer virus?

Anti-virus, actually. The program's not functioning right. Their help desk is open during my sleep period (I'm not a daywalker,) so getting it fixed could take a few evenings.

You're a vampire?

Shouldn't you and wolf be fighting then?

I'm not a werewolf though. Vampires scare me, LOL.

[SilverWolf]

If you shoot a Vampire with a silverwolf it dies

Oh that's right. I have Silver in my name. I have nothing to fear then.

[SilverWolf]

You know what I just realized? Almost the whole playerlist from the game that shall not be named is also in this game,

Including the Mod

Oh god PTSD

We will follow you around from game to game and haunt you.

mwahahahaha

[SilverWolf]

Dragon, klingon and aero to a lesser extent.

dragonspawn has played with me many times off-site as well as Klingon and House.

House has played with me many times onsite here as well.

House and Klingon both just got out of a game with me where I was scum and they were town.

Aero and Grib have not played with me off-site but onsite here in a few games.

Wake has played with me a couple times.

Anyhow, here's the game where I was scum and House and Klingon were town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=60334

?
Are they over at US as well? Who are they? I didn't think there were so many of us over here.

Aero and Grib no. They are players I've met here. You know Wake and House obviously. Klingon and dragonspawn are over there as well yep. Grandma and Avi. Say hi, it's a reunion party!!

[SilverWolf]

@mod

Maybe prod TSO?

[SilverWolf]

I don't especially like TSO's entrance into this game at all and I'm perfectly fine with my vote where it is.

[SilverWolf]

I don't especially like TSO's entrance into this game at all and I'm perfectly fine with my vote where it is.

What don't you like about it?

The way he was reading his wagon was fake as hell.

[SilverWolf]

@Silverwolf: What's fake about it?

I've never played with TSO before but his reads just did not seem genuine. I mean he gave a town read to vikingfan and Jared over nothing posts, and then with Shinobi it was bad when he called for everyone to pile on but then it was super towny when Shinobi was talking about how tough TSO was to read and why he was applying pressure and then he goes on to defend Shinobi against one of dragonspawn's comments which just looked like buddying to me. Then called me bad for not calling for a prod with my vote but Aero sheeped me and that was town which was just inconsistent and not genuine at all.

[SilverWolf]

@Silverwolf: What's fake about it?

I've never played with TSO before but his reads just did not seem genuine. I mean he gave a town read to vikingfan and Jared over nothing posts, and then with Shinobi it was bad when he called for everyone to pile on but then it was super towny when Shinobi was talking about how tough TSO was to read and why he was applying pressure and then he goes on to defend Shinobi against one of dragonspawn's comments which just looked like buddying to me. Then called me bad for not calling for a prod with my vote but Aero sheeped me and that was town which was just inconsistent and not genuine at all.

Technically this would be your second though I could hardly call what TSO did here as playing...

http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... ce.377844/

I do believe that this is the same TSO.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. He was barely in that game. I think he was with us in Fire and Ice too but replaced in late and was killed off.

[SilverWolf]

@Silverwolf: What's fake about it?

I've never played with TSO before but his reads just did not seem genuine. ...

Didn't TSO play a game at USMB?

Yep, I just forgot about those games since he was barely in either of them.

[SilverWolf]

Wake, Why not ask Grib straight out why he's townreading acryon or finds Boon suspicious?

I do agree that his townread on acryon is off considering acryon hasn't done anything especially townie in this game.

I will also say that Grib has a history of voting me first in games we play together and has used the totally rolled town line it 2 other games we've played where he's been town. He was scum with me in a game and was townread by pretty much everyone.

So Grib's actually a light townread for me just because his nonchalant attitude is pretty typical for him as town, where as scum he puts more effort in.

You can check Ika's 402 to see the scum game I'm talking about if it interests you. It's not quite the same set-up because Grib and I and Xay were all on different teams by ourselves and House was also in that game as town. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=59515

[SilverWolf]

VC 1.0

Pisskop: acryon, ABR [L-9]

FA_Q2: Grib [L-8]

SilverWolf: Cheetory6 [L-10]

Grib: Jared615 [L-10]

Wake88: croboss [L-10]

Shinobi: FA_Q2, dragonspawn [L-9]

T S O: Shinobi, Pisskop, SilverWolf, Aeronaut, vikingfan [L-6]

acryon: Naked jogger [L-10]

ABR: elusive [L-10]

Aeronaut: House, Boonskiies [L-9]

Not voting: TSO, Wake88, Klingoncelt, kitz

21 alive, 11 to lynch

(expired on 2015-02-22 00:00:00)

Mod notes: replacing croboss, ABR will be due for a prod when i get back from work if he doesnt post

@mod

Jared615 is voting TSO and Cheetory6 is voting FA_Q2

[SilverWolf]

Everyone not voting should vote.

Agree'd or tell us who you'd like to vote for.

[SilverWolf]

I have setup questions or I guess what is this type of setup called and is there a Wiki with possible roles and number of town, scum and any third parties?

It's a closed set-up so we don't know what's at play but it's a Normal game so there has to be some guidelines the game has to follow.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

[SilverWolf]

Why would they tell us who they would like to instead of actually voting?

Because Wake is a paranoid freak about his vote and won't cast it unless he's good and ready because apparently it's so special we all want to manipulate it and force him to put it where we want it to go.

Or something like that.

Klingon and Kitz need to do something, anything because right now, not only are they not voting, but not saying much either. Kitz is better than Klingon for that meta post.

TSO has done a better analysis on his wagon than last time but still hasn't told us who he finds the scummiest in the game or voted so................

unvote

Why would you just unvote instead of voting for your top scumread after just asking me that question about voting? Why was your vote on the TSO wagon random if we were already out of RVS and who do you find scummy enough to vote for now? You said Shinobi earlier but why?

[SilverWolf]

Paranoia is sort of justified in Mafia, when you actually do have people in your group that want to deceive and murder you, so...

And as was said before, Scum-Belisarius is just one example of Scum trying to get me to mislynch someone. *Can provide links.

Who would you vote for if you had to right now?

[SilverWolf]

Klingon and Kitz need to do something, anything because right now, not only are they not voting, but not saying much either. Kitz is better than Klingon for that meta post.

I'm V/LA till next Tuesday. I can skim through the game and make a few superficial posts, but getting deep into it is impossible for the next few days.

You're excused. I forgot about that.

[SilverWolf]

LOL-Good idea. I was thinking of voting for him and seeing if that did anything but I like your ideas better.

Wake-do not vote, for the love of everything sacred, keep your vote to yourself or we are all doomed!!

Also, Wake voting is a scumclaim.

[SilverWolf]

Well, he's avoiding any kind of VCA or wagon analysis for one thing. And his fear of being scrutinized for voting is misplaced. I don't really get it at all. And he's taking away the power of his vote by not using it.

I don't think the motives are scummy though. Just a little strange.

[SilverWolf]

I do have initial feelings regarding certain players, but you practically demand that I vote yet will undoubtedly scoff at the feelings behind the reasoning for said vote. You probably want me to vote in order to pick apart and attack it, which in itself is disingenuous, and further makes me want to choose my actions wisely, because I like to have solid reasoning behind each and every one of my actions in general. If I felt your intentions were honest, that you wanted to know who I'd vote for without also planning to attack it, I'd be more inclined to do so.

WTF is up with this? I don't even know what to say to this. You don't want anyone to question your vote? I wasn't planning on attacking you Wake.

TSO picked apart my vote on him twice and said he didn't like it. Cheetory didn't like the tone of some of my posts and said so. Do you see me freaking out and squeezing a stress ball in the corner? Well, if I was squeezing a stress ball you wouldn't see it but just visualize it Wake.

I'm not sure what this is all about. I want to say townie paranoia but I'm not wanting to townread this behavior or call it scummy. Maybe just null for now and keep an eye on it.

[SilverWolf]

I do have initial feelings regarding certain players, but you practically demand that I vote yet will undoubtedly scoff at the feelings behind the reasoning for said vote. You probably want me to vote in order to pick apart and attack it, which in itself is disingenuous, and further makes me want to choose my actions wisely, because I like to have solid reasoning behind each and every one of my actions in general. If I felt your intentions were honest, that you wanted to know who I'd vote for without also planning to attack it, I'd be more inclined to do so.

WTF is up with this? I don't even know what to say to this. You don't want anyone to question your vote? I wasn't planning on attacking you Wake.

TSO picked apart my vote on him twice and said he didn't like it. Cheetory didn't like the tone of some of my posts and said so. Do you see me freaking out and squeezing a stress ball in the corner? Well, if I was squeezing a stress ball you wouldn't see it but just visualize it Wake.

I'm not sure what this is all about. I want to say townie paranoia but I'm not wanting to townread this behavior or call it scummy. Maybe just null for now and keep an eye on it.

You have it completely wrong.

If I get into this game, it will create chaos. If I start to move things and stir the waters, things will happen. By nature I am a catalyst. Taking off these restraints and seeing to it that things happen in this game may cause some to not want to play with my style. It may sound self-aggrandizing to you, but it isn't, but the truth, and is both an immense strength and an immense weakness. I can be a very powerful player, but I can't really play if I turn some players off because of it.

There is no paranoia. There's only the restrained yet fearless desire to pierce through everything and everyone in order to pull out the truth. You stab at things to see how they bleed in Mafia. Some people don't like being aggressively interrogated. I'm not stressed at all. I don't want to seem to over-powering, because it's not fun having few to play with (we're not talking trolling or uncivil behavior: just being a strong-willed personality).

You are the all powerful Wake.

Your friends know you and aren't going to care as long as you aren't abusive.

But OK, that's fine for now. But eventually you will have to join the party.

[SilverWolf]

NakedJogger seems town. I like his line of questioning with House. I actually agree with TSO's townread on Jared's posts-despite the lack of them, I actually like the ones that are there for town. Disagree with elusive, I like TSO's explanation of why he townread Jared, especially since that was one of my original complaints about TSO's wagon interpretation-lack of explanation of his reads. I also like how TSO admitted he messed up a read on vikingfan. Seemed genuine. This post from Wake is town. 345.

I agree with Klingon's 354. Klingon-do you find this vote worthy? I do.

His first RVS vote defending Wake was shady, then he joins the leading Wagon at the first opportunity, then remarks about how many posts there are which is basically his way of stating something while saying nothing.

VOTE: vikingfan

[SilverWolf]

On reread, Silver's insistence on trying to find out why Wake isn't voting feels like she genuinely wanted to know what he was thinking. I still feel like 119 is overexplainy though and I'm finding it hard to put into words why I'm finding that weird. :/

@Silver

, would you say that you anticipating playing as an IC in a newbie game is influencing some of your play/interactions with elusive? Do you consider yourself someone who generally likes to help newer plays find their footing in a game?

119 was wordy I agree. It was kind of a vent about voting. I tend to ramble sometimes.

Yes, I will definitely try to help new players with any game play questions they have and I do that as either alignment.

Can anyone else who's played with FA before give their thoughts on his play thus far? Is he usually the sort of person to be safe with his voting?

I have played with him. It's been awhile. IIRC, yes he is more conservative/safe with his vote as scum than as town.

[SilverWolf]

I find it somewhat odd that vikingfan gets a few votes and suddenly a very fast counterwagon develops on dragonspawn.

[SilverWolf]

As he is one of my gut scum reads at the moment in going to jump on and see if more pressure will shake something free from him.

You're voting for pressure . . . while telling him it's pressure?

vote: dragonspawn

This is a terrible reason for a vote.

FoS: pisskop

Boons and Aero's votes were fine.

[SilverWolf]

Eh, Viking's not great, either. However, his posts consist of fluffy fluff, when Dragon is using some shit reasoning for what he's trying to do.

Nope, vikingfan buddies Wake in his first post, then jumps on the TSO wagon by saying he's lurking, then makes a comment about how many pages there are and how he'll be back which is basically saying nothing while pretending to contribute.

[SilverWolf]

This is a terrible reason for a vote.

FoS: pisskop

Boons and Aero's votes were fine.

What was bad about my reason for voting dragon?

What is scummy about placing a pressure vote and saying it's for pressure? Maybe if you explained that, I'd understand it better.

[SilverWolf]

What is scummy about placing a pressure vote and saying it's for pressure? Maybe if you explained that, I'd understand it better.

Its hard to apply pressure if you state your explicit reason for voting is pressure. There was no questions or reasons for his vote other than 'pressure'.

Dragon also ignored or missed my question, and only began to flesh out his reason after being pressured to by Boons. His reaction to Boon's shift was marked, and as stated above he was saying he said he had plenty of reasons but was still calling it gut. It doesn't seem to add up.

This is better.

[SilverWolf]

Back as promised . I find a lot of interaction, especially the buddying with SilverWolf extremely interesting and have noted it for future reference in future days. As for who I find scummy:

I'm going to note the wagon on dragonspawn first. First of all there was an attempt to elicit a reaction on my part which he simply voted on because I reacted, whereas I'm sure if I'd just ignored the whole attempt to elicit a reaction would have been found scummy too in terms of ignoring it. So that became a no-win situation because there would be a reaction of some sort, which I found interesting. I find Grib's post about being on V/LA until Tuesday in post 37 very interesting because he also noted v/la due to homework and there was zero bussing as a result of that yet my post about having real-life things as well was found scummy so I am noting the selective criteria being used for future reference. also, dragon spent a lot of posts defending silverwolf and very little on anyone else.

I find tso's defense fine for now. so UNVOTE: tso VOTE: dragonspawn

BTW, I have never played with anyone in this game so using meta is useless in my case so I'm not going to use that to try to read other people. I will say that I tend to play as much as possible exactly the same whether town or scum.

Oh for the love of all things sacred and holy in this world, can we please lynch this scum?

[SilverWolf]

Back as promised . I find a lot of interaction, especially the buddying with SilverWolf extremely interesting and have noted it for future reference in future days. As for who I find scummy:

I'm going to note the wagon on dragonspawn first. First of all there was an attempt to elicit a reaction on my part which he simply voted on because I reacted, whereas I'm sure if I'd just ignored the whole attempt to elicit a reaction would have been found scummy too in terms of ignoring it. So that became a no-win situation because there would be a reaction of some sort, which I found interesting. I find Grib's post about being on V/LA until Tuesday in post 37 very interesting because he also noted v/la due to homework and there was zero bussing as a result of that yet my post about having real-life things as well was found scummy so I am noting the selective criteria being used for future reference. also, dragon spent a lot of posts defending silverwolf and very little on anyone else.

I find tso's defense fine for now. so UNVOTE: tso VOTE: dragonspawn

BTW, I have never played with anyone in this game so using meta is useless in my case so I'm not going to use that to try to read other people. I will say that I tend to play as much as possible exactly the same whether town or scum.

Oh for the love of all things sacred and holy in this world, can we please lynch this scum?

Your comment to influence the town with no other comment is noted.

Stop it. You're scaring me.

[SilverWolf]

This is a terrible reason for a vote.

FoS: pisskop

Boons and Aero's votes were fine.

What was bad about my reason for voting dragon?

What is scummy about placing a pressure vote and saying it's for pressure? Maybe if you explained that, I'd understand it better.

Do you seriously need this basic concept spelled out?

Say it ain't so.

meh-I just wanted a better explanation for pisskop's vote which he provided

[SilverWolf]

It seems like every time vikingfan gets a vote, someone else comes along and throws down a vote for dragonspawn.

[SilverWolf]

I'm starting to think you are prob town but I'm not totally sure.

Why? I've been trying to read House all game and I can't still.

[SilverWolf]

It seems like every time vikingfan gets a vote, someone else comes along and throws down a vote for dragonspawn.

They should stop doing that. Poor guy always gets read as scum and lynched early.

The term for that is lynchbait but I'm still trying to figure out why he's scummier than vikingfan.......................

[SilverWolf]

Could you like a game where that happened?

I think she's talking about offsite, we tend to lynch him early.

[SilverWolf]

That being said, my vote is still on vikingfan, because his posts have looked much worse than dragon's. I've got an FoS on dragon though.

I'm still trying to figure out why he's scummier than vikingfan.......................

Yeah, he isn't.

So looking at the votes:
Boon was the first to vote dragon
Pisskop sheeps Boon’s reason
Grib adds to vikingfan
Aero adds to dragon for the same reason as Boon and pisskop
Vikingfan jumps on dragon
Klingon places his vote for vikingfan (although the intent was clearly there already)
House jumps on, stating he is sheeping
Kitz jumps on vikingfan for disliking the way he addressed the dragon wagon (which has a nice ring to it
Nakedjogger jumps on dragon for being defensive

Giving us the following VC for those two (pretty sure):

vikingfan

: acryon, SilverWolf, dragonspawn, Grib, Klingon, House, Kitz [L-4]

Dragonspawn

: Boonskiies, Pisskop, Aeronaut, vikingfan, Nakedjogger [L-6]

The dragonspawn wagon certainly smells like a counterwagon to a scum wagon. If it is, I suspect Aeronaut the most on the counterwagon (and of course vikingfan). Came in third on the wagon only after it clearly had a little traction and just sheeped Boon's reasoning (which isn't bad in and of itself, but it's hard to tell if Aero had his own reasons).

I completely agree with this analysis. vikingfan's lynch would be most informative because if he flips scum, we can look at the votes on dragon's wagon like Aero and pisskop more closely. If he flips town, dragon would be a good D2 vote.

[SilverWolf]

(Psst: dragonspawn is certifiable lynchbain. Hence my reluctance to join his wagon despite my own interest in voting for him)

This is true, he tends to get lynched early and often in other games I've played and not been scum at the time which means he may not be now either.

[SilverWolf]

That being said, my vote is still on vikingfan, because his posts have looked much worse than dragon's. I've got an FoS on dragon though.

I'm still trying to figure out why he's scummier than vikingfan.......................

Yeah, he isn't.

So looking at the votes:
Boon was the first to vote dragon
Pisskop sheeps Boon’s reason
Grib adds to vikingfan
Aero adds to dragon for the same reason as Boon and pisskop
Vikingfan jumps on dragon
Klingon places his vote for vikingfan (although the intent was clearly there already)
House jumps on, stating he is sheeping
Kitz jumps on vikingfan for disliking the way he addressed the dragon wagon (which has a nice ring to it
Nakedjogger jumps on dragon for being defensive

Giving us the following VC for those two (pretty sure):

vikingfan

: acryon, SilverWolf, dragonspawn, Grib, Klingon, House, Kitz [L-4]

Dragonspawn

: Boonskiies, Pisskop, Aeronaut, vikingfan, Nakedjogger [L-6]

The dragonspawn wagon certainly smells like a counterwagon to a scum wagon. If it is, I suspect Aeronaut the most on the counterwagon (and of course vikingfan). Came in third on the wagon only after it clearly had a little traction and just sheeped Boon's reasoning (which isn't bad in and of itself, but it's hard to tell if Aero had his own reasons).

I completely agree with this analysis. vikingfan's lynch would be most informative because if he flips scum, we can look at the votes on dragon's wagon like Aero and pisskop more closely. If he flips town, dragon would be a good D2 vote.

But would scum vote for their buddy to stay off a mislynch wagon?

I don't think so.

No, If vikingfan is scum, then dragon is more likely to be town with scum on his wagon. If he's town, then the votes on dragon are not as suspect.

[SilverWolf]

(Psst: dragonspawn is certifiable lynchbain. Hence my reluctance to join his wagon despite my own interest in voting for him)

Atm viking looks more like lynchbait to me.

Which supports a D1 viking lynch.

If he flips scum, it will ease my mind considerably about dragonspawn, because scum simply chose an easy target to draw heat away from their buddy.

If he flips town, it will get rid of a distraction and allow us to look for the actual scum instead of argue throughout the game.

Barring a player posting, "Hai guyz, I iz scumlol", viking's lynch is the most useful.

Makes sense. Good points here as well.

[SilverWolf]

That being said, my vote is still on vikingfan, because his posts have looked much worse than dragon's. I've got an FoS on dragon though.

I'm still trying to figure out why he's scummier than vikingfan.......................

Yeah, he isn't.

So looking at the votes:
Boon was the first to vote dragon
Pisskop sheeps Boon’s reason
Grib adds to vikingfan
Aero adds to dragon for the same reason as Boon and pisskop
Vikingfan jumps on dragon
Klingon places his vote for vikingfan (although the intent was clearly there already)
House jumps on, stating he is sheeping
Kitz jumps on vikingfan for disliking the way he addressed the dragon wagon (which has a nice ring to it
Nakedjogger jumps on dragon for being defensive

Giving us the following VC for those two (pretty sure):

vikingfan

: acryon, SilverWolf, dragonspawn, Grib, Klingon, House, Kitz [L-4]

Dragonspawn

: Boonskiies, Pisskop, Aeronaut, vikingfan, Nakedjogger [L-6]

The dragonspawn wagon certainly smells like a counterwagon to a scum wagon. If it is, I suspect Aeronaut the most on the counterwagon (and of course vikingfan). Came in third on the wagon only after it clearly had a little traction and just sheeped Boon's reasoning (which isn't bad in and of itself, but it's hard to tell if Aero had his own reasons).

I completely agree with this analysis. vikingfan's lynch would be most informative because if he flips scum, we can look at the votes on dragon's wagon like Aero and pisskop more closely. If he flips town, dragon would be a good D2 vote.

But would scum vote for their buddy to stay off a mislynch wagon?

I don't think so.

No, If vikingfan is scum, then dragon is more likely to be town with scum on his wagon. If he's town, then the votes on dragon are not as suspect.

Ah but my suspicions of the players on his wagon are independent of their votes.

Well, that's a separate issue altogether then.

[SilverWolf]

Aero-One reason I'm not concerned about dragon's vikingfan vote is because he expressed suspicion of him here 252 so he didn't just suddenly suspect him only because of a growing wagon. He was suspicious of him before that. Also, posts like this are very typical of him 481. He tends to act like lynchbait in games. Does this mean for sure he isn't scum? No. But I'm not nearly as convinced of his scumminess as I am of vikingfan's. Every one of Vikingfan's posts pings scum to me. I can't ignore that.

[SilverWolf]

Every one of Vikingfan's posts pings scum to me.

There's five.

I'll agree, post 416 is p bad.
349 Is not good, but it's something that at least five other people have said a variation of.
422, Dragon said almost the exact same sentence a few posts after that.

Etc. The arguments on this wagon are weak AF.

Spoiler:

Instead, Join the...

I voted before 422 so that one isn't included but 416 was the reason I cast my vote for him. It's scummy as fuck and so is 349 because like I've said before it's filler to look like he's saying something, while saying nothing. You also forgot 88 and 23. One of them hops on the most popular wagons with weak excuses-like you are going after dragon for. The other was a scummy RVS vote.

So yeah, I'm happy with vikingfan over dragon right now.

[SilverWolf]

Silver I have zero idea what RVS means. care to explain?

Random Voting Stage

[SilverWolf]

I completely agree with this analysis. vikingfan's lynch would be most informative because if he flips scum, we can look at the votes on dragon's wagon like Aero and pisskop more closely. If he flips town, dragon would be a good D2 vote.

I don't understand. Viking is the lynchbait. What would lynching the one who is more likely town tell us? House said the same thing, in 464.

I never said vikingfan was lynchbait or more likely to be town. I've been arguing vikingfan is scum for several posts now. Plus, he's an informative lynch due to the counterwagon on dragon.

[SilverWolf]

I completely agree with this analysis. vikingfan's lynch would be most informative because if he flips scum, we can look at the votes on dragon's wagon like Aero and pisskop more closely. If he flips town, dragon would be a good D2 vote.

I don't understand. Viking is the lynchbait. What would lynching the one who is more likely town tell us? House said the same thing, in 464.

I never said vikingfan was lynchbait or more likely to be town. I've been arguing vikingfan is scum for several posts now. Plus, he's an informative lynch due to the counterwagon on dragon.

FA_Q2 has a point
I am taking the stance that Viking is the bait, and House and you thought Dragon was 'just being Dragon'.

If you believed he didnt know what RVS was what makes you think he even gets what a scumslip is? I'll grant that his post where he voted Dragon was bad, but Im not convinced wasnt overconfidence

I get it, you don't like the idea of lynching vikingfan and either does Aero. I've noticed your resistance to it. Just another reason for me to want to see him flip besides him being scummy as hell because it will tell me something about you and Aero as well.

[SilverWolf]

P-edit; I also think SW is town. Or, this is pretty close to how she was in the beginning of Antartic, and she was town AF there.

That had to have been the towniest game I've ever played in my life or ever will be able to again.

[SilverWolf]

That would probably do wonders for Wolfie's sanity, as she wouldn't be pulling her hair out trying to figure out my alignment the entire game.

I think we'd work very well together as a hydra.

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True statement

It was the nightless setup. Scum couldn't kill me and I didn't have a PR so I could town the shit out of the game and they couldn't do anything about it. That said, I am still very bitter about the way we lost.

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That being said, I don't really agree with what's she saying.

What in particular don't you like about what I am saying?

[SilverWolf]

Then is he just this unreadable enigma

One thing I can tell you is if he's joking around and posting fluff, especially with those of us he knows, it isn't scummy for him. It's personality.

[SilverWolf]

@Klingon didn't see that post the first time. Does it make sense to read meta from other sites since the meta is very different there from here?

You didn't ask me but I disagree with her statement that she says it is not different. The dynamic over there is completely different - a LOT more 'bitchyness' arguing and in general useless BS. Here is a lot more focused. In general, I think that meta over at USMB is of a very limited use.

Sometimes it bugs me that we have to play nice here. Yeah, that part's different, but in general the meta is the same.

The meta is very similar in being better able to read people we have played with a lot. It probably won't be as helpful as games here, if you haven't played with any of us before. So while dragon, House, Klingon, FA, and I can use it to read each other, Aero for example wouldn't get as much out of checking those games as he would from the games we've played together here so far. It is so much better to meta someone you've actually played with in person, than just checking games, IMO.

[SilverWolf]

@elusive-You seem interested in the vikingfan vs dragonspawn debate but have your vote on ABR?

Is ABR scummier to you than either vikingfan or dragonspawn?

[SilverWolf]

@vikingfan-What do you think of each person on your wagon so far?

[SilverWolf]

I wasn't sure what to make of Aero so far but 593 is pretty town.

Aero-I'm not giving dragon a pass because I know him and know he is lynchbait, it's because I don't see anything particularly scummy or unusual from him. That said, I'd like to see some reads from dragon on someone besides me and Aero.

Like dragon-what do you think of elusive so far?

That said Aero-Have you seen anything from vikingfan that even looks remotely town and not scummy as fuck? Has he shown much interest in the game like dragon has and many of us have. Is he scumhunting at all or trying to interact with anyone? Does it seem like he's using the playing dumb card because I'm sorry but even if you haven't played here in a number of years, I have a hard time believing you don't know what RVS is. I mean c'mon. Is he trying to put our mind at ease that he couldn't possibly be scum but rather lost town? I've seen that tactic used before by scum. His post voting for dragon is weak and his use of the term bussing instead of wagoning is not exactly reassuring me he's town. What townie would mix up those two terms? And finally, most scum lynches have quite a bit of resistance where town wagons generally don't. Vikingfan is meeting a hell of a lot of resistance in the form of a dragon counter wagon.

Boon is questionable as well and so is elusive. I think there are scummier people in this game than dragon and I'm not convinced enough to join that wagon.

And frankly, like House has already said, the info. from Viking's lynch would be valuable to determine the motives of the people on dragon right now and if viking is scum, then dragon is more likely to be town. If viking is town, we look at his wagon for scum.

I'm not sure what more I can tell you here for a D1 lynch.

Do you at least understand why I feel viking is more likely to be scum than dragon?

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Shinobi-I disagree about that post from Acryon being scummy because it was relevant to what we were talking about and useful as well. Not sure how that post makes him scum but he'd not really all that townie looking yet. I have quite a few I'm not sure of yet.

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Aero-Grib isn't usually this quiet. I'm not sure I'd call it scummy yet however. I'd give him a chance to post.

[SilverWolf]

Actually, after looking at the most recent votecount (I'm not flipping through all 24 pages at this late hour), nobody's voting for me so I'll just go for SilverWolf and House since I know those two have been the two players most vocally against me. Post 62 is pure fluff, a lot of ppl are buddying up to her early on. She admits she is susceptible to buddying and accepts Grib's answer without further complaint and has a defense of Grib in her last post in this game (noted for future reference based on how one of these players flip). I find it extremely interesting that she says her weakness as town is being too indecisive (she's been VERY decisive where I'm concerned this game) and she says as scum she sucks at manipulating people but yet people have been buddying up to her this game, which is extremely interesting since the reverse in both situations is happening this game. Spends a ton of time talking about games she's played with other people in this game (of which I am not one). BTW, I find it extremely interesting that I am the common target on Day 1 and yet when I look at ika's votecounts, I don't show up on many of them, which is indicative to me that though people are voting me, they're also taking them off before ika does his votecounts.

As for House, notes early on that he believes Silver is town, defends Silver when she is attacked, has a LOT of quick fly-by-night posts with not so much substance, and he and Silver have been pretty much buddy-buddy all game from the start. Not sure if this is due to alignment or just being friends though. Refuses to even consider other possibilities besides that I MUST be scum which doesn't strike me as very wise. I've played mafia long enough to know nothing is absolute until the mod posts the death scene.

First, I have a hard time believing you don't know how voting and vote counts work considering you've played here before. It's clear you either are not paying attention to the game, or are feigning ignorance. The are several people on your wagon. Grib is the only unvote. I asked you to specifically say what you thought about your wagon and each person on it and you concentrated on myself and House only. I know and have played with several people in this game. Please re-look up the definition of buddying and get back to me on which posts in particular of mine are buddying someone and why or where I am actually manipulating anyone and why. In particular what do you believe my motives are?

I find it interesting that you've mostly concentrated on me in your analysis. What are your reads on anyone else in the game?

[SilverWolf]

If I sheep you today and we're wrong, will you promise to look at Dragon tomorrow?

Yes

[SilverWolf]

elusive-Why is Jared scum to you?

[SilverWolf]

I don't know if he's scum, but he's scummy.

The definition of waffling.

Hey, guys, want to lynch this instead?

Why would I want to do that when vikingfan reeks of scum? I mean, you notice he only attacked myself and House, mostly me, in his latest posts. He isn't really all that interested in doing anything but defend himself and scumread those attacking him. At least I think he was scumreading me, he didn't exactly say it but implied it which is even worse than giving a clear read. He's still voting dragon. Has he really explained that yet? He keeps pretending he doesn't know how the most basic things work regarding game play which reads fake as hell. He's clearly not paying attention to the game either.

meh-I just keep saying the same things over and over. I prefer this lynch over dragon's by a long shot.

That said, elusive's vote for Jared is bizarre because Jared has barely said enough to really read at all.

[SilverWolf]

Viking wagon is better than dragonwagon, despite it having a cooler name. Dragon is leaning town and viking is null leaning scum.

@FA

, ignoring people is rude, y'know?

I have played with him. It's been awhile. IIRC, yes he is more conservative/safe with his vote as scum than as town.

I mean if this is true, I feel like his earlygame is pretty scummy. Getting bad vibes from his catch-up too. Is there any chance you could take a look at him?

Sure, I'll see what I can do.

[SilverWolf]

SilverWolf, there's already people pressuring vikingfan and pressuring or defending dragonspawn. I'm not a leader type, but I also don't follow crowds and there isn't a player who has spoken yet who I feel comfortable sheeping.

The fact that Jared hasn't posted much at all (and was defended by TSO pre-emptively almost) speaks out to me. There's also connections between vikingfan (for example if he flips scum then does that mean Grib is scum since he used bus to refer to both of them OR if he flips town then does that mean that certain people are less likely to be scum?).

I am not asking you to sheep. I just find it bizarre, if you agree that vikingfan is scummy, why you would go after Jared when vikingfan has a larger wagon.

House, you're so silly. It's funny.

I thought TSO was linking that for me to respond to his read on Jared (see his prior question on that).

SilverWolf, do you think that the fact that Jared has contributed so little is strange or normal or? What are your thoughts on that?

I don't think it's strange or normal either way. He needs to contribute a lot more than he is or he will be impossible to read. That said, he's completely null to me.

[SilverWolf]

Catching up now! Yay.

Summarize anything important I should know, otherwise I'll vote and fail to give adequate reads because too many players.

Just read all my posts and ignore everyone else.

[SilverWolf]

I'm taking the people on my wagon off this post for future reference. I've already done House and Silver so no need to rehash those. acryon notes that his biggest weakness is leading town into lots of mislynches and doesnt' really notice any problems as scum though says that it makes cops want to check him. Overall, with the exception of examining the counterwagons, which is a good town post, he seems to post a lot of fluff.

FA's FIRST 3 posts are all votes with absolutely no reasoning behind them. At least we know he doens't have a posting restriction. attacks dragonspawn some (unusually, most of my voters have tunnel vision on me Ive noticed and ignore dragon for the most part). He says he practices vote parking so that is noted for the future. overall calls out other players for being fluffy while being fluffy quite a bit himself.

for dragonspawn, nothing really to add to what everyone has already posted, though I found it extremely interesting that he voted me for basically nonreacting to a post intended to elicit a reaction. Exactly what was I supposed to do?

Grib. Complete fluff until post #301 (which admittedly is a good town post). Calls out pisskop for not doing anything this game even though the same could also be said of Grib (seriously, go look at his iso for yourselves). does a post to vote on me with absolutely nothign else attached to it, then posts that he's unavailable. something extremely scummy to me is that in post #657, he says he will vote upon rereading, but never does. I'm surprised this one completely sailed under the radar.

klingon has a bunch of posts but not much substance. Notes that Wolf is town. Not sure if his fluff is because of his admitted computer problems or something else. are your computer problems gone now?

kitz doesn't have a lot other than tunneling on me. TO respond to your post, the mod did confirm that he had the vote count holder in that post. It's your choice whether you want to believe that or not. And I don't like your attempt to influence the town that I MUST be the lynch. We still have several days and this game posts at warp speed so there's no need to start acting like I'm the foregone lynch.

What are your reads on all these people including myself and House? Town, scum, null, leaning one way or the other? I'm just going to assume you are scumreading dragon or you wouldn't be voting for him. Do you think Grib is scum? You seem to imply it here.

[SilverWolf]

I think that's L-2

It's actually L-3, Grib unvoted.

@Wake, you can ISO me to find why I'm voting vikingfan

[SilverWolf]

@mod-acryon is on V/LA on weekends.

I'm not a big fan of Boon this game. His posts have been very underwhelming so far.

[SilverWolf]

An Encryptor is a role that allows people who can converse with it to talk during the Day phase. Otherwise, they are restricted to speaking during the Night phase.

While theoretically this role can be used for Masons and the like, in practice this role is usually Mafia-aligned and allows the Mafia to daytalk. This role is considered Normal when given to the mafia.

elusive-most games I have played, scum can talk pregame during confirmations and night phases, if they have daytalk, it'll be specified by the mod usually

if it isn't specified, it would be done with an encryptor if it is present at all

It is heavily dependent on game mechanics.

[SilverWolf]

SilverWolf, I have some setup questions. With 21 players what is the ratio of town to scum? Or I guess the average ratio for large games?

Check out this game. It's a 21 player closed normal. It should give you a rough idea. I'm not saying this game is the same as that one. It probably isn't. But it might help you with ratio's.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=58830

Also, you are reading newbtown to me.

[SilverWolf]

UNVOTE:

viking-did you breadcrumb your role anywhere?

[SilverWolf]

The wording of being able to say if someone is protown or not tells me there are other non-town type roles in this game besides mafia. Possibly a miller-if that's normal I don't know or maybe a SK.

My understanding of the SK is that in order to be able to investigate there you have to be an FBI Agent.

Anyway, I have to re-read a few things now to see where I want to move my vote.

[SilverWolf]

It isn't just the talk of the encryptor but just the general talk of not knowing how scum communicate at all or when and not knowing anything about number of scum, etc. If elusive wasn't new, I would say it was faking townslips, because we all know experienced scum players can do that. It isn't a free townread for the rest of the game. If elusive does something scummy still, it can be considered but elusive isn't my top choice for a lynch today.

Grib-Are you saying I talk too much?

[SilverWolf]

Is your vote even on dragon Boon? I don't see it in the latest vote count.

I'm leaning you over dragon. Jared might be o.k.

[SilverWolf]

I guess the other thing for town to do is to narrow down 3-5 people for vikingfan to check and he choose from those? 3-5 so that scum don't know for sure.

The cop makes his/her own choice on who to investigate, however requests are often made by other players. For example: Viking, could you please investigate SilverWolf so we can check your sanity?

He's sane. It's a normal game.

Roles which are explicitly Normal include:
Vanilla Townie,

Sane Cop

, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Innocent Child, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Watcher, Gunsmith, Miller, Bodyguard, Role Cop, Doublevoter, Hider, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Jack of All Trades, Serial Killer, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Goon, Mafia Traitor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia-aligned or SK-aligned versions of above roles

Roles which are explicitly Non-Normal include:

Non-Sane Cop

, Blank Vig, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Cultist, Jester, Mafia Mason, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer.

[SilverWolf]

dragon-You seem to be making a lot of excuses for not providing content D1.

[SilverWolf]

FA is still scummiest to me.
People should vote him.
Silver should remember to go back and read him for me please.

If he doesn't get lynched, he's an excellent cop check tonight. He's playing way too under the radar. I haven't even been thinking about him which reminds me of my scum play to a certain extent-at least one aspect of it anyway. Contribute enough to not be lurking too much, but not so much that you are the center of attention either. Do nothing scummy but don't have everyone talking about you all the time either. In a game with 21 people, it's easy to hide behind them at the beginning of the game whether town or scum which is why I'm not putting too much stock in this right now. But he's suspicious to me for this reason alone. That's also one reason, the real active people aren't too suspicious to me right now besides the fact I haven't see anything suspicious from them yet.

[SilverWolf]

Requesting replacement for Jared.

Yes

mod

, please do this.

Thanks!!

[SilverWolf]

the post to wolf was mostly for her sake not anyone else.

Understood.

[SilverWolf]

Vote House

Someone else stated the reasons and I agree.

Nope, that's not how it works. You tell me YOUR reasons for voting for House.

[SilverWolf]

Yeah, when I have time I'll also be looking into Pisskop who've I've barely noticed just like I've barely noticed FA.

I really, really don't like not noticing people and those two are the biggest offenders. They need much, much closer scrutiny and this is just a note to myself to do that.

[SilverWolf]

Does anyone else have little sticky notes for each person In-game in which they write down notes about them?

I usually do it with smaller games, but I'm trying it for the first time on a game of people this size.

I usually put a note to myself in my ISO and check it later like I just did or write it down somewhere but only important things that stick out.

[SilverWolf]

Tell me to do something. I'm a follower at heart, and I crave a sense of direction amid the chaos.

Do you have any solid reads on anyone yet?

[SilverWolf]

Tell me to do something. I'm a follower at heart, and I crave a sense of direction amid the chaos.

Do you have any solid reads on anyone yet?

Townreads, yes. And because of [redacted], I honestly feel it's enough, at least for now.

But if you want scumreads, you'll have to direct me to a scummy player and I'll consult the gods.

What is your read of Pisskop and FA?

[SilverWolf]

I do know about ISO although its a bit messy for people in multiple games.

click the ISO link next the post number on someone's name you want to ISO and it will be only their posts in THIS game. Also, you can use the activity overview button at the lower right of the screen.

That said, ABR's ISO tells me next to nothing about him. I mean nothing. A big fat zero. I need to meta there or something cuz damn......................

[SilverWolf]

OK great, so we can assume no insane cop in this game.

Feel better Wake.

[SilverWolf]

Oh FFS!!

Unvote ABR and move on people.

[SilverWolf]

Okay, absolutely no reason to claim that right now? Pho hohoho look guys. I'm a tracker. Look guys I'm a vig. I'm a doctor. Look, cop! Way too easy to slip under the radar as scum by you claiming now, and it's in a way you can still change your claim later.

Yeah, counter claiming is a thing you know.

[SilverWolf]

I'm afraid to vote for anyone because I'm afraid the minute I do they are going to claim a PR.

[SilverWolf]

Just looked at Kitz 17 posts and yeah, this is a good vote.

VOTE: Kitz

[SilverWolf]

Yeah, when I have time I'll also be looking into Pisskop who've I've barely noticed just like I've barely noticed FA.
I really, really don't like not noticing people and those two are the biggest offenders. They need much, much closer scrutiny and this is just a note to myself to do that.

We've had several interactions, all of which resulted in you brushing me off and implying you need to 'investigate me later'. 264, 313, 320, 413, 511, and its followup 523.
. I was out of the game with limited computer access for the last few days, though.

I never brushed you off. I answered every one of your points. Don't misrep.

[SilverWolf]

Pisskop seems like a nice girl, I will answer her questions when I'm at a computer. I don't know if kitz is scum or town but she has a nice avatar. Kitz what do you think?

If you don't have anything useful to say, you think you can slow down on the fluff. You seem nice but it's a large game and yes I have the largest ISO right now and have no room to talk but really.

TIA

[SilverWolf]

Kitz, Can I have some of what you are smoking? It sounds like good stuff and I'm stressed. TIA

[SilverWolf]

What are you even talking about here?

I can be quite literal.
TLDR : I didn't know the roles, other than the PM I received. That's not a claim to what my role is, I'm just stating the facts.

Wolf posted the list of what roles there is.

Link to this post, because I haven't seen it.

Yes, you have. You responded to it. ABR and Kitz quoted if for you. It's from this link. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

It isn't necessarily what is in this game. It's what is possible in normal games. Why this is an issue kitz is bringing up is beyond me but whatever.

[SilverWolf]

Kitz-What is your point though? I'm confused why this is an issue or is it even?

[SilverWolf]

Kitz, town mentality is Never give up, never surrender.

You can fight this off, if your town self shines through.

I remembered know how annoying it was.

And you know Kitz is town because?

[SilverWolf]

Enjoyed this site while it lasted, but an overzealous mod combo'd with ambiguous rules and unequal application has soured it for me.

Wow, sorry to hear that acryon

Now we need to replace 3 people.

[SilverWolf]

Should we lynch their slots?

Well, let's see you jumped on Kitz, cast doubt on elusive and now want to lynch 3 inactive slots.

Where you scumreading acryon?

[SilverWolf]

KItz has bad pushes and a weak ISO, if that's where town wants to go, that's fine but 976 pinged my scumdar so hard, the neighbors were wondering where that noise was coming from.

Seriously, "let's lynch three spots because they aren't here to defend themselves" is ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....................................scummy as shit.

VOTE: klingoncelt

[SilverWolf]

KItz has bad pushes and a weak ISO, if that's where town wants to go, that's fine

but 976 pinged my scumdar so hard, the neighbors were wondering where that noise was coming from.

Seriously, "let's lynch three spots because they aren't here to defend themselves" is ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....................................scummy as shit.

VOTE: klingoncelt

I don't understand the bolded.

Would you say the same about your own wagon?

No clue what you are talking about here. As far as I know, I don't have a wagon on me right now unless something happened since I last checked.

[SilverWolf]

SW, if town was making bad pushes and you had a weak ISO, would you be ok with town lynching you?

If not, why support such a wagon on someone else?

Since you felt the need to ask me this twice, it must be important to you for some reason. If I had a small ISO with not a lot of posts or content and I was making bad pushes or using bad reasoning for votes, I'd probably defend myself if I was being wagoned for that. Why would I not support a wagon for that reason on a D1 lynch? Especially close to deadline like we are? Why did you support it? Where are you going with this questioning? You are still voting for Kitz? Why? Do you agree with my scumread on Klingon? Why or why not?

[SilverWolf]

KItz has bad pushes and a weak ISO, if that's where town wants to go, that's fine but 976 pinged my scumdar so hard, the neighbors were wondering where that noise was coming from.

Seriously, "let's lynch three spots because they aren't here to defend themselves" is ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....................................scummy as shit.

VOTE: klingoncelt

No it isn't. You know me better than this, I'm always up for a D1 PL.

Why PL though? And why would acryon's spot be a PL? Were you scumreading him before he replaced? I mean, what's scummy about it is no one can claim if we just lynch replace outs before they are filled and they are completely informationless.

[SilverWolf]

SW, if town was making bad pushes and you had a weak ISO, would you be ok with town lynching you?

If not, why support such a wagon on someone else?

Since you felt the need to ask me this twice, it must be important to you for some reason. If I had a small ISO with not a lot of posts or content and I was making bad pushes or using bad reasoning for votes, I'd probably defend myself if I was being wagoned for that. Why would I not support a wagon for that reason on a D1 lynch? Especially close to deadline like we are? Why did you support it? Where are you going with this questioning? You are still voting for Kitz? Why? Do you agree with my scumread on Klingon? Why or why not?

I reworded it since you didn't seem to understand what I was saying.

So I take it your answer to my question i that you would not be ok with town lynching you if you were town in that situation.

I'm asking you about this because that statement didn't ring true to your towngame. It doesn't bother me enough to shake my read of you on its own, you just appear to be confbiasing.

As far as the KlingonCelt wagon goes, I'm still making up my mind on it. Does a person deserve to die over a single post?

Look up and read my 1037. That's the problem I have with it.

[SilverWolf]

The fuck.

My thoughts exactly.

[SilverWolf]

Read my other games. Day1 claiming isn't unusual for me. Learn to live with it.

No, You should learn to stop doing it. Claiming early when you are several votes away from a lynch and then saying well, I always do this so deal with it is extremely anti-town.

It's extremely anti-town to call for PL's on people who can't claim or defend themselves and won't be able to give us any info. after they are lynched if not outright scummy and you once again say it's meta so we should excuse it.

Why did you vote for Kitz again? Because she's new and can't help us much or is that what you were saying about elusive? I got that confused I think in your posting.

[SilverWolf]

Is it just my imagination or has Klingon ignored my last 3 posts asking her questions? I can give her a pass on the last one because I just left it but the other two. C'mon.

*pouts in the corner*

[SilverWolf]

Kitz: Naked jogger, House [L-9]
FA_Q2: Cheetory6 [L-10]
T S O: Jared615 [L-10]
acryon: Shinobi [L-10]
Elusive: dragonspawn, Pisskop [L-9]
Klingoncelt: Aeronaut, TSO, SilverWolf, FA_Q2, vikingfan [L-5]
ABR: kitz, Boonskiies [L-9]
Boonskies: elusive, ABR [L-9]
House: Klingoncelt [L-9]

Not voting: Wake88, Grib, Nobody Special

21 alive, 11 to lynch

(expired on 2015-02-22 00:00:00)

I readjusted the vc to match up to current votes. The timer is on countdown. I think we can all agree we don't want a NL. I am very wary of putting anyone else within claiming range.

Boon-I'm not lynching a claimed tracker. Someone can check him to see if he's lying anyway. Let's move on.

[SilverWolf]

Why do you guys want to lynch a claimed tracker? Can you at least explain that to me so I understand it?

[SilverWolf]

Fuck this, I won't take this garbage from ika simply for asking players not to refer to ongoing games.

@mod

: replace me or modkill me, IDGAF which one you do.

Don't

[SilverWolf]

Fuck this, I won't take this garbage from ika simply for asking players not to refer to ongoing games.

@mod

: replace me or modkill me, IDGAF which one you do.

Don't

Nevermind

[SilverWolf]

V/LA

I will check the thread to see if my vote is needed somewhere to help prevent a NL situation before deadline.

Ellie, there are 1136 posts in the game. I'm not searching through all of them to tell you which three I find the scummiest. I don't have time for that.

[SilverWolf]

Hi math!!

Actually ABR, mathblade and Titus are twins.

I should be able to figure out if she's scum pretty quickly since we just got out of a scum game together not that long ago.

Boon-do you have anything to say that isn't worthless?

NJ-any reason you have to be so aggro to everyone?

[SilverWolf]

Why would he say "Good luck town" that seems a little excessive or is that a scum House thing to do?

He'd do this as town for sure. Not sure if he would as scum.

[SilverWolf]

House's replace out was townish.

[SilverWolf]

What was townish about House's replacement?

It was genuine and not faked and gave me a town frustration feel.

[SilverWolf]

Strictly speaking, off policy, lynching klingon has some positives:

A, it's only a townie. We don't risk losing a power role on day 1.
B, if we move on to someone else, we risk outing more powerful roles (I do NOT want to out any protective roles or other town PRs at this point)
C, we probably have something like a third of the game being scum so obviously not every claim is going to be true. Strictly mathematically then, we have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum and that's going purely randomly. Add in comments like lynching 3 slots and it is definitely not a random lynch, ergo, the chances of hitting scum go up.

What am I missing here?

I think this is scum. Still working on VCA but we should never lynch someone we believea ret own ever. Only a townie means not a scum.

Saying you don''t want to out more powers at this point is craziness. Yous hould never want to out powers. this implies a mindset of wanting to expose things to scum.

Thisi s a closed setup. I don't know how many scum there are or not.

VOTE: vikingfan

We are not lynching a claimed cop.

[SilverWolf]

I don't think scum would've suggested to policy lynch replacees like Klingon did unless she was getting bored.

Your game is off, House. You're nitpicky and boring.

So why Kitz, boringHouse?

I've never known him to be so oddly nitpicky and boring before.

hmm. SW, did Klingon's responses alleviate or aggravate your scumread on her?

Mildly strengthens because her and I both know House and that he wouldn't respond well to this and when you add in she started a conversation that resulted in him being replaced..........................yeah.

I don't really have a better alternative atm either although I do agree with ellie about pisskop's tone being forced/clipped and I have a slight scumread on that spot. I'd rather not get another person within claiming distance, we are close to deadline also. meh-my whole case on her is weak but I'd rather not NL either.

[SilverWolf]

Kitz is at L-8 and I'm at L-10 there ika

[SilverWolf]

Bleh we need a lynch today. I'm AFK most of Tonight and Some of Saturday.

SilverWolf's post looks like gloating they are at L-10 instead of talking with me to see why I scumread them and TSO seems to be manufacturing questions.

If vikingfan is town then TSO/SilverWolf likely scum buddies.
If vikingfan is scum then Naked Jogger/Kitz likely scum buddies.

Ask me a question. I've been jokingly correcting the vc all game. Have you read the whole game yet?

[SilverWolf]

VC 1.0

Pisskop: ABR [L-10]

FA_Q2: Cheetory6 [L-10]

Wake88: croboss [L-10]

T S O: Jared615 [L-10]

acryon: Shinobi [L-10]

ABR: elusive [L-10]

vikingfan: acryon, SilverWolf, dragonspawn, Grib, Klingoncelt, House, FA_Q2, kitz [L-3]

Dragonspawn: Boonskiies, Pisskop, Aeronaut, vikingfan [L-7]

Elusive: Naked jogger [L-10]

Not voting: TSO, Wake88

21 alive, 11 to lynch

(expired on 2015-02-22 00:00:00)

Mod notes: replacing croboss

Mainly this votal here. Combined with how the viking fan lynch was progressing and how quickly you were off after the cop claim makes it look like you were just trying to be on there for if viking fan flipped scum. Combine that with a vote on ABR that seems to go nowhere and not really campaigning for it and you being the first voter on it I'd just expect more passion.

Nope, Re-read everything around my vote there and my reasonings for it. I believed he was scum. That's why I voted for him and pushed him. Lot's of people were off quick after vikingfan claimed cop so that means nothing.

I never voted for ABR so WTF are you talking about? For the second time, have you read the game yet?

Also, why do you think vikingfan is lying about his claim?

[SilverWolf]

Bleh we need a lynch today. I'm AFK most of Tonight and Some of Saturday.

SilverWolf's post looks like gloating they are at L-10 instead of talking with me to see why I scumread them and TSO seems to be manufacturing questions.

If vikingfan is town then TSO/SilverWolf likely scum buddies.
If vikingfan is scum then Naked Jogger/Kitz likely scum buddies.

Ask me a question. I've been jokingly correcting the vc all game. Have you read the whole game yet?

Why did you from TSO to VikingFan to unvote? With the little amount of time in the day you are usually one of the biggest supporters of a lynch D1. It is very off for you. Explain.

That paragraph was why I suspected Kitz.

I unvoted vikingfan because he claimed cop. That's common sense. I don't care who else did it and I wasn't following anyone. I am still a supporter of a D1 lynch over a NL but I'm not lynching a claimed cop. This is common sense math.

[SilverWolf]

math-We have a day and a half until deadline. Why are you trolling now?

[SilverWolf]

SilverWolf, pop quiz.

MathBlade + "We need a lynch!" + trolling + comparatively close deadline = ?

I wish I knew. I've never seen her do it. You?

[SilverWolf]

Because SilverWolf said not lynching a claimed cop no qualifiers. Meaning that any day we wouldn't lynch them. :/

And VOTE ME

I like shiny votes

I'll ask again. Why don't you believe the claim? I'm not lynching the claimed tracker either despite you falsely saying I voted for him.

[SilverWolf]

Silver Wolf you've seen me troll as scum

C'mon now be honest XD

Yes I have. So are you claiming scum now? Why do you want to be voted for?

[SilverWolf]

She can't be a Jester (?), are there any other roles that benefit from getting lynched?

Nothing in a normal game that I know of.

[SilverWolf]

VOTE: elusive VOTE: Boonskies VOTE: elusive

Is there something in the water?

*scratches head*

[SilverWolf]

From SilverWolf lying about meta possibly.

How so?

[SilverWolf]

what the hell is happening?

I wish I knew. This is all kinds of WTF?

[SilverWolf]

I've never seen MathBlade so blatantly antitown, so. I don't know what gives.

This isn't a bastard game, so the simplest explanation is that she wants to get lynched for xyz reason. Doesn't really fit a vengeful role, and I can't think of anything else Normal.

Me either, but it makes it difficult to do anything now :/

[SilverWolf]

EBWOP: SilverWolf: Said you'd never seen me troll.

When you were caught scum......................................

[SilverWolf]

Spoiler:

My thoughts exactly. And that's the second time I've said this in this game in response to someone saying WTF?

[SilverWolf]

This is how that made me feel:

[SilverWolf]

Btw yes math you do know me from elsewhere. I've seen her troll as town before. In fact I don't remember if I've ever seen her scum game before. Usually she says there is a reason for it though I can rarely figure it out.

We were both scum in the game I linked here 159.

[SilverWolf]

(6) Klingoncelt: T S O, SilverWolf, FA_Q2, vikingfan, Aeronaut, Nobody Special
(5) NakedJogger: Kitz, Cheetory6, Grib, MathBlade, Ellie
(3) elusive: dragonspawn, pisskop, Boonskiies
(2) Boonskiies: elusive, Albert B. Rampage
(1) MathBlade: Shinobi
(1) Kitz: NakedJogger
(1) Pisskop: Ellie

Not voting: Wake88, Klingoncelt

I believe this is where we are at. I'm not interested in an elusive, Kitz, mathblade lynch from these wagons. I'm also not interested in dragonspawn, ABR, vikingfan, Grib, Aero, Shinobi, TSO, or Cheetory lynch.

Ellie, Wake, Nobody Special idk, House-wait for replacement

Klingon, Boon, pisskop, FA, NJ are all fine-pretty much in this order

[SilverWolf]

(6) Klingoncelt: T S O, SilverWolf, FA_Q2, vikingfan, Aeronaut, Nobody Special
(6) NakedJogger: Kitz, Cheetory6, Grib, MathBlade, Ellie, dragonspawn
(2) elusive: pisskop, Boonskiies
(2) Boonskiies: elusive, Albert B. Rampage
(1) MathBlade: Shinobi
(1) Kitz: NakedJogger
(1) Pisskop: Ellie

Not voting: Wake88, Klingoncelt

I believe this is where we are at. I'm not interested in an elusive, Kitz, mathblade lynch from these wagons. I'm also not interested in dragonspawn, ABR, vikingfan, Grib, Aero, Shinobi, TSO, or Cheetory lynch.

Ellie, Wake, Nobody Special idk, House-wait for replacement

Klingon, Boon, pisskop, FA, NJ are all fine-pretty much in this order

you missed my vote change

Oh sorry, corrected above.

[SilverWolf]

Ugh dragonspawn's play is so familiar. I just wish iC ould remember who they are.

I can agree to not lynching Ellie today. Elusive is a bit scummy but I have bigger scumspects.

I think NJ and Kitz should 1v1.

I'll let him tell you but you know him.

[SilverWolf]

Spoiler:

I love that GIF, useful in so many situations.

[SilverWolf]

(6) Klingoncelt: T S O, SilverWolf, FA_Q2, vikingfan, Aeronaut, Nobody Special
(5) NakedJogger: Kitz, Cheetory6, Grib, MathBlade, dragonspawn
(2) elusive: pisskop, Boonskiies
(2) Boonskiies: elusive, Albert B. Rampage
(1) MathBlade: Shinobi
(1) Kitz: NakedJogger
(1) Pisskop: Ellie

Not voting: Wake88, Klingoncelt

I believe this is where we are at. I'm not interested in an elusive, Kitz, mathblade lynch from these wagons. I'm also not interested in dragonspawn, ABR, vikingfan, Grib, Aero, Shinobi, TSO, or Cheetory lynch.

Ellie, Wake, Nobody Special idk, House-wait for replacement

Klingon, Boon, pisskop, FA, NJ are all fine-pretty much in this order

you missed my vote change

Oh sorry, corrected above.

And corrected again.

[SilverWolf]

(expired on 2015-02-22 00:00:00)

[SilverWolf]

Would someone please post a case on Klingoncelt for those of us who just replaced in?

OK-Here's a few post, not all but a few:

My ISO: 983, 997, 1037, 1218, 1062. Saying she wants to lynch lurker spots before they can post, claim, or give info. and other anti-town play.

1066-showing she wants to lynch people because they are new and can't help as much

Aero's 1337 discussed the fencesitting she's been doing as also evidenced by her non-vote status

TSO's 1223, and 1224- which shows more fencesitting and discusses her post about lynching replace outs before they can post

What more do you want for D1?

[SilverWolf]

BTW, do we still want to do a pool of 3-5 people for me to investigate? Or should we just leave it wide open for me to pick from?

I would just do the ones that have low post counts (unknowns) and/or those that are suspected by people you are leaning town on.

[SilverWolf]

Yeah OK, so vote elsewhere people.

[SilverWolf]

I've pretended to be a mason with unwitting townies who believed I was town and went along with it and it had disastrous consequences for the town. Better nip this in the bud.

This happened in a large normal that Wake modded. Scum claimed masons with a townie who went along with it thinking they were town. It is a thing that can happen.

[SilverWolf]

Let's move on

I agree. We are close to deadline also. This is a distraction.

[SilverWolf]

People-please stop claiming, soft claiming or anything else unless you have to.

TIA

[SilverWolf]

What is the NJ case? It can be brief. Thanks.

[SilverWolf]

Rampage, I doubt scum would be able to.figure that out.

I'll vote NJ when I'm at a comp. Or lets see if this works

NakedJogger

That's not a good vote-just an FYI.

[SilverWolf]

(7) NakedJogger: Kitz, Cheetory6, Grib, MathBlade, dragonspawn, Ellie, elusive
(6) Klingoncelt: T S O, SilverWolf, FA_Q2, vikingfan, Aeronaut, Nobody Special
(1) elusive: pisskop
(1) MathBlade: Shinobi
(1) Kitz: NakedJogger
(2) Ellie: Albert B. Rampage, Boonskiies

Not voting: Wake88, Klingoncelt

(expired on 2015-02-22 00:00:00)

It would be really great if Wake and Klingon would vote FFS.

[SilverWolf]

That's the thing, Klingon is the best vote for today. Her comment that town is 100% gurantee'd to lose if she's lynched is not sitting right with me at all. I've said similar things as scum. I also feel like we are very close to a NL and starting a wagon on anyone else is pointless and a NL on D1 is a bad idea. I also feel like she's already claimed and I don't want to bring someone new within claiming range with all the claiming bullcrap already taking place. Plus, I've already laid out a case that Klingon arrogantly dismissed as playing from an outdated wiki which is crap also.

I have failed to see anyone make a really good case on NJ scum. I do see the aggro play and all the vote switching. I would vote there to avoid a NL as a compromise but I really haven't sorted NJ. Beginning play seemed town, later play less so but I'm not sure if it's scum or playstyle to get reactions.

[SilverWolf]

So ABR claimed Tracker and Pisskop claimed Cop?

Why do people do this so early in Large games?

Nope, vikingfan claimed cop. Pisskop did not.

[SilverWolf]

You should replace out then Wake if you can't play.

[SilverWolf]

Her fencesitting is in regards to her not voting or suggesting people, pisskop in particular are scummy but not voting there. I have no idea why she suggested he's the cop because vikingfan already claimed it and pisskop never did. If she saw something, she should keep her mouth shut because the claiming, soft claiming stuff is absolutely ridiculous right now.

[SilverWolf]

Oh I mean I'm being rhetorical in 1485.
I want to know but I also don't actually want to know, you know?

Yep, exactly. I get that.

[SilverWolf]

Zzzz.
Can you tell me what you think of NJ's initial push for Kitz? Do you have any kind of experience playing with NJ before this game?

I've never played with NJ and I'm not a big fan of NJ's Kitz push. It seems forced like you said.

[SilverWolf]

Her fencesitting is in regards to her not voting or suggesting people, pisskop in particular are scummy but not voting there.

Uh cheetory It's mostly just the refusal to vote or take hard stances, among other things.

Fuck it. Do you not think her stance on House is hard? Do you think her saying that she isn't willing to vote for a replacing slot isn't true or do you think that could potentially explain why her pushes have felt relatively disinterested since then?

Her stance on House was aggravating him. Her unwillingness to vote a replacing slot is in response to all the flak she got because she suggested we lynch replacement slots before they could post, claim, or provide info. and then she backtracked to say she was just seeing what we thought and then changed it to not voting replacements due to the pressure she got.

[SilverWolf]

Deadline is at midnight Central-my time so about 12.5 hours. I am going to be busy off and on but will check back in before then at least a couple times.

I'll check the VC before I go and post it.

[SilverWolf]

(7) Klingoncelt: T S O, SilverWolf, FA_Q2, vikingfan, Aeronaut, Nobody Special, Cheetory6
(5) NakedJogger: Kitz, Grib, MathBlade, dragonspawn, elusive
(1) elusive: pisskop
(1) MathBlade: Shinobi
(1) Kitz: NakedJogger
(2) Ellie: Albert B. Rampage, Boonskiies
(1) TSO: Klingoncelt

Not voting: Wake88, Ellie

(expired on 2015-02-22 00:00:00)

Here's vc with accurate timer

[SilverWolf]

It really bugs me that Wake isn't voting or playing.

[SilverWolf]

Yikes, 7 pages since I was here last. I need to catch up quick. Before I do that, I am going to catch the vc and update again. We are NOT NLing today. That's a terrible idea. No more talking about claims, it's a distraction. I've been super busy all day and will be busy before deadline but will do my best to help with avoiding a NL. We absolutely should NOT NL on D1 in a game like this.

[SilverWolf]

(10) Klingoncelt: T S O, SilverWolf, FA_Q2, vikingfan, Aeronaut, Nobody Special, Cheetory6, Albert B. Rampage, pisskop, Ozgin [L-1]
(6) NakedJogger: Kitz, Grib, MathBlade, dragonspawn, elusive, Ellie [L-5]
(1) MathBlade: Shinobi
(1) Ellie: Boonskiies
(1) TSO: Klingoncelt
(1) Grib: NakedJogger

Not voting: Wake88

(expired on 2015-02-22 00:00:00)

Here's vc with accurate timer

[SilverWolf]

Hrm. I don't think I've voted at all yet.

Not hammering if I'm fully uncertain.

The fact that you haven't voted at all D1, are fencesitting, and basically didn't want to read anything earlier today is really anti-town at best and scummy at worst. Why won't you take a stand on something?

Ozgin's posts look good so far but I had a slight townread on House also.

I don't like how NJ came in here, threw a vote on Grib who is replacing, and then left the thread.

Klingon is the best choice because she's said some things that can definitely come from scum, has already claimed, and we need to avoid a NL today.

NJ hasn't claimed yet so I'm wary of lynching there or getting a new claim out of anyone at this point but would vote there to avoid a NL.

elusive-there was no need for you to post RQS questions this close to deadline instead of at the beginning of the game, that is just silly

I believe Vikingfan's claim, it seemed genuine. Do not really trust ABR's or ellie's whatever that was but not going to worry about it today. Discussing this stuff, this close to deadline is a distraction to say the least.

OK, I think that's everything in the 7 pages I missed, let me know if there is anything else.

[SilverWolf]

Silverwolf, how you think of TSO atm?

Completely null.

[SilverWolf]

Why won't you take a stand on something?

"Why won't you take a stand and vote?"

*Wake votes someone*

"Why are you doing that? You're Scum! YOU'RE SCUM! RAH!!"

Wake, We are close to deadline and anyone not trying to avoid a NL on D1 is scummy to me. How can I possibly read you when you don't vote or take a stand on something? Earlier you said you didn't want to read the game.

Seriously Wake, I can't read you like this.

[SilverWolf]

Why won't you take a stand on something?

"Why won't you take a stand and vote?"

*Wake votes someone*

"Why are you doing that? You're Scum! YOU'RE SCUM! RAH!!"

Wake, We are close to deadline and anyone not trying to avoid a NL on D1 is scummy to me. How can I possibly read you when you don't vote or take a stand on something? Earlier you said you didn't want to read the game.

Seriously Wake, I can't read you like this.

Careful. When Scum-Belisarius got cheeky with me we nailed him.

I don't have to hammer if Mathblade says she will, which removes the possibility of you trying to pin the blame on me should she turn out to be a mislynch.

And it's not that I don't vote or want to take a stand on anything. It's that time is making it so I

can't

.

Are you threatening me with a scumread for scumhunting you? Where did I say you needed to hammer or tell you who to vote for? You haven't taken a stand on anything this game while the rest of us have. So yeah, you don't take any heat regardless but you aren't scumhunting either.

[SilverWolf]

You appear to be having a habit of misinterpreting the things I've been saying.

Belisarius tried to get me to vote in Newbie 1565, for a mislynch, and he was Scum.

Similarly, you seem to be trying hard to get me to vote.

Right back at you since you are misinterpreting my words as well. I don't care what Belisarius did because I wasn't in that game and I'm not telling you where to vote. I want to be able to read you and I can't without being able to look at your voting patterns. Similarly when you don't read the game, it makes it even more difficult to read you. Read my games and you'll see I'm a big advocate of using your vote.

Regarding TSO, I will re-ISO him. I know I have a few comments on him in my ISO from the beginning of the game. There's quite a few people in this game and I need to re-look at a few of them.

[SilverWolf]

I'm curious whether or not there's at least one Scum among ABR, Shinobi, and DS.

Hm...

Thoughts?

Do you think there is scum there Wake? Who and why? Why these 3?

In my view ABR only if he's lying and idk, Shinobi and DS are not really scummy to me, atm.

[SilverWolf]

Wake is sort of like The Godfather, except that instead of leaving a horsehead in your bed, he just says "I will leave a horse head in your bed eventually if I get to it but in the meantime what's your favorite flavor of Gogurt?"

OMG, That's it exactly.

[SilverWolf]

I'd like to thank my mom and dad, for all their hard work bringing me to this point.

And of course, I'd like to thank the Acad------ KANYE???!!??!

Kanye of all people? LOL

[SilverWolf]

Kanye ruined the SNL 40th

I can believe he ruins everything he touches, LOL.

[SilverWolf]

Please stop posting a pic of him Aero. I'm not feeling well atm and don't want to puke.

TIA

[SilverWolf]

Is there a way to turn off seeing the avatars of certain people?

I'm not sure but try user control panel, board preferences, display avatars-I don't think you can select any specific ones although I don't know for sure.

[SilverWolf]

Oh sweet, images. How about this gif?

[SilverWolf]

If you like cats, I've got one for you too.

[SilverWolf]

@mod

V/LA until March 2nd

I have a funeral to attend.

Thank You

[SilverWolf]

Would VF get a no result if Pisskop RB'd him and Pisskop died? Does anyone know which resolves first?

[SilverWolf]

Would VF get a no result if Pisskop RB'd him and Pisskop died? Does anyone know which resolves first?

Found it: Killing doesn't stop the actions of the dead player. (Imagine that all kills happen at the end of the night, and everyone pulls the trigger simultaneously.) This means that kills generally do not affect other actions.

So VF being RB'd before Pisskop died is a believable scenario.

I still question the finding out he was protected part. It is my understanding you don't find out if you were protected. So why would VF know someone tried to kill him and he was protected?

Also, if someone tried to kill him and 2 are already dead, there are 3 anti-town factions in this game.

[SilverWolf]

Also, if someone tried to kill him and 2 are already dead, there are 3 anti-town factions in this game.

Or 2 anti-town factions and a vig.

[SilverWolf]

@ika, What happens if a player is murdered and healed, are they still able to use their action? What information do they get if any?

A player being healed would not stop them from acting.

If they get feedback or not is dependent on mod and role card wordings.

This is the only thing keeping me from voting VF right now.

If he is being honest, I absolutely believe he was RB'd before Pisskop died. I can also believe scum would RB the cop with all the talk in the thread of the cop needing to be protected.

What I don't believe is this.

I'm surprised ika didn't list it here but I was attacked last night and left for dead but was saved (I'm guessing by boon). I'm not sure if it was a result of being saved or not but I didn't get a result, I had investigated Shinobi. otherwise, if my getting attacked didn't stop the result, then I'm guessing pisskop did.

I can't believe he would be told he was attacked and saved both in a normal, non bastard game.

VF-were you told you were RB'd last night or not?

[SilverWolf]

No, I wasn't told explicitly that I was roleblocked but it's a pretty good guess given all the talk about me being cop and doing an investigation. I've asked ika to clarify that he tells people that they're saved so that should clear things up pretty quick. ABR, please link to where it's a rule that people can't be told they're saved. I haven't seen one. And yes I got no result. If you recall, I told you in my original post that was a possibility.

I can't wait until ika clears me later lol. And it wasn't surprising to me at all I got no result once I saw pisskop was dead. Scum wants me dead really bad right now.

How was your investigative resulted worded exactly?

[SilverWolf]

No result. I was attacked but someone saved me. And yes I received a PM.

I would believe this if you would of said this immediately and someone didn't already say that this is the result you got when you were RB'd. Your first answer was you didn't get a result.

Ugh..................I don't know.

[SilverWolf]

Wake; were you referring to vf?

I'm referring to you, ABR.

You know set-up. What do you think of vikingfan's claims today regarding what happened to him last night?

[SilverWolf]

Wake; were you referring to vf?

I'm referring to you, ABR.

You know set-up. What do you think of vikingfan's claims today regarding what happened to him last night?

...

Actually, what do you think of ABR ignoring my post and apparently pretending that I was referring to vikingfan or said "vf" when I clearly said "VT" and was referring to Albert?

I fairly certain he's not dumb, so I don't understand why he won't be directly honest towards me.

Your help with vikingfan's claim would be very much appreciated. You are a mod. That's why I asked. It will help me figure out both vikingfan and ABR.

[SilverWolf]

Mod notes: RAINBOWS!

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[SilverWolf]

vk's claim:

-requires 3 kill attempts last night
-required that someone tried to kill him and someone else tried to RB him
-requires he was told if he was protected
-required he was told that someone tried to kill him.

@Nobody Special/Wake or anyone who has modded Large Normals

Is this a possibility at all?

[SilverWolf]

vk's claim:

-requires 3 kill attempts last night
-required that someone tried to kill him and someone else tried to RB him
-requires he was told if he was protected
-required he was told that someone tried to kill him.

@Nobody Special/Wake or anyone who has modded Large Normals

Is this a possibility at all?

Please bear with me as I ask you for more information.

His claim requires that there be 3 kill attempts last night? Am I misunderstanding? Please clarify if I am. I know Large games only allow two unique slots, and there's also a 'red list' of roles that can't happen in Large Normals, like Jesters or Nexus'.

He also has to be rb'd and attempted nk'd at the same time? Sounds highly impractical. However, Wolfie, remember that I too was given an insanely powerful role by a certain somebody in a certain game that ended recently. Sometimes there is more danger hidden under the benign doctor or tracker claim, than the one that sounds unbelievable.

vf was told that someone tried to kill him and that he was protected last night, he also said he didn't receive a result on his cop investigation of Shinobi, he later said he got "no result" after being further questioned, pisskop flipped nonconsecutive mafia roleblocker and boon flipped nonconsecutive town doctor, vf claims town cop-no modifier

Does this make sense?

[SilverWolf]

As for VF, lynching him because his unique claim feels unbelievable isn't good enough reason. What if he is what he claims, and we've just shot ourselves in the foot?

What do we do if he's not what he claims?

[SilverWolf]

As for VF, lynching him because his unique claim feels unbelievable isn't good enough reason. What if he is what he claims, and we've just shot ourselves in the foot?

What do we do if he's not what he claims?

Burn it with fire. If memory serves we lost an investigative role last Night. If another one exists, or something close, it might be wise to check him.

Nope, we lost a doc and the mafia RBer died as well.

[SilverWolf]

OK.

So if we have a Cop it's still alive.

It should investigate vikingfan.

Does anyone know if someone claimed Cop already?

If so, judging by the fact that person isn't dead, maybe the dead Doc protected that Cop player, and could mean we're looking at 3 killing factions. The unique part of vf's claim rings a bit with that sentiment.

vf claimed he was told he was attacked and protected, ever heard of this before?

He's the only one who claimed cop so far. He said he got no result last night.