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Post Post #1 (isolation #0) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:14 am

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Mafiascum Large Social Game Newbie Guide: What You Should Probably Know!

There are some things about these games that may not be immediately clear to someone just thinking about getting into them for the first time. The purpose of this post is to give new players a bit of baseline and background to help them assimilate into the social game culture a bit more smoothly, have some idea what they're getting themselves into given that it is not necessarily apparent, and ultimately help new players to compete with veterans.

I. Involvement

You will have the most fun in these games if you are willing to commit a lot of time to them. Part of the fun comes from working hard at something and investing yourself in it. People talk to each other a lot. In general, these are called social games for a reason; the primary gameplay consists not in the minigames, but in the socializing. If you do not like socializing, you will not like this. If you do, it may well be the greatest thing you've ever found on the internet.

II. Homework

By no means do you have to do this, but you may feel better prepared if you do a bit of reading before your first game to get a handle on how these things work. From the Survivor wiki page, you can find pages for many of our more recent games (the ones at the bottom of the table – you'll want to start near the bottom) and on each of those pages you can find a link to the board on which it took place. These are what you'll want to read. You can see what types of games you might expect for challenges, and read confessionals to see how experienced players think. Even a quick skim through one or two recent games can be immensely helpful, and anything you learn here aside from the mechanics of the particular game is just as applicable to similar games, such as Big Brother.

Spoiler: List of "modern era" game forum links(mostly anonymous), from least to most recent
Mushroom Kingdom: http://z15.invisionfree.com/Survivor_Mu ... hp?act=idx
Destiny Islands: http://z13.invisionfree.com/Destiny_I/index.php?
Seafoam: http://z13.invisionfree.com/Seafoam_Islands/index.php?
All Stars: http://z13.invisionfree.com/Survivor_Al ... hp?act=idx
Middle Earth: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Survivor_MiddleEarth/index/
Sky Pillar: http://z13.invisionfree.com/Sky_Pillar/index.php
Mass Effect: http://z13.invisionfree.com/Mass_Effect ... /index.php
Arkham Asylum: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Arkham_Asylum/index/
Greece: http://z13.invisionfree.com/Survivor_Greece/index.php
Game of Thrones: http://s13.zetaboards.com/GoT_Survivor/index/
Season Finale: http://w11.zetaboards.com/SurvivorSeasonFinale/index/
Hogwarts: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Survivor_Hogwarts/index/
Conclave: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Conclave/index/
Doctor Who: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Doctor_Who_Survivor/index/
Hyrule: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Hyrule_Survivor/index/
Names Are Hard: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Survivor_NAH/index/
Expect the Unexpected: http://s15.zetaboards.com/SurvivorBigBrother/index/
Arkham City: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Arkham_City/index/
Pretty Super Vanilla: http://s15.zetaboards.com/survivor_psv/index/
Battle of the Bands: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Battle_of_the_Bands/index/
Eon: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Survivor_Eon/index/
#2016: http://s15.zetaboards.com/survivor_2016/index/
League of Legends: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Survivor_LoL/index/
Magic Kingdom: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Magic_Kingdom/index/
DragonBall Z Abridged: http://s15.zetaboards.com/DeathNote/index/
Medevac: http://s15.zetaboards.com/survivormedevac/index/

Non-survivor games:
Kingdom Clash: http://z13.invisionfree.com/Kingdom_Clash/index.php?
Mario Endurance: http://z13.invisionfree.com/Mario_Endurance/index.php
Castle Oblivion: http://z13.invisionfree.com/KH_Oblivion/index.php
Pokemon Battle: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Pokemon_Battle/index/
Colosseum: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Pokemon_Battle_2/index/
Reality Show X: http://s15.zetaboards.com/RealityShowX/index/


III. What to Expect in Your First Game

The beginning of the game can be a very critical time. It's not uncommon for alliances to form very quickly, and certainly you can get a jumpstart on your connections by being online at the very beginning of the game. At the start, it's important to appear active. If your teammates perceive that you are not around, you are very likely to be the first boot. The more you can be around here, the better. Just signing on and making a post to say you're present can do a world of good, because if you are inactive long enough, the players may start to assume you are the first vote, which can be hard to recover from even if you later show up and become more active. Mods often start looking to replace players who haven't showed up within the first 24 hours. Also, the beginning of the game is often accompanied by a flurry of activity, with private messages flying about everywhere. It's important to be as involved in private messaging as possible. In general, it's a good idea to try to put in effort with those who are putting in effort with you -- if someone sends you a long message and you reply with a short one, they are likely to assume you are not interested in them.

IV. Non-anonymous Games

Please be aware that you will need AIM/Skype for these (but also that we don't do them very often).

V. Undying Adoration

We really like having new people. We might even go out of our way to be nice to you! Come play, what's the worst that could happen?
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Post Post #4 (isolation #1) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:32 am

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What a great start.
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Post Post #8 (isolation #2) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:57 am

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I'll just throw it right back at ya, boys ;)
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Post Post #13 (isolation #3) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:42 am

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In post 11, DeathNote wrote:I will go ahead and put Survivor Kai up on the list as a Dragonball Z themed game. 24 players. Cybele and Xof are co-mods.

Ah, right. I'll stick you above Crazy and PI, since you had asked for a reservation in the old thread.
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Post Post #16 (isolation #4) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:56 pm

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Well, does it need a queue slot or doesn't it? :P

I think we should probably discuss this tomorrow or something, and look back at how the first one panned out.
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Post Post #18 (isolation #5) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:16 pm

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Well, good luck scheduling that to run together. Survivor games don't run according to schedules even if you want them to.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #6) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:01 am

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Thank you ^_^

I'm really more like a tenth of a skittle, but that makes me happy.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #7) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:21 am

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One does not simply vote me out of things. Only I get to do that. #JustBecauseImJokingAboutItDoesntMeanItsNotStillTooSoon
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Post Post #50 (isolation #8) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:09 pm

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Those don't even count.
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Post Post #58 (isolation #9) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:17 am

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Now I point out that you all seem to have confused this thread for a different one.
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Post Post #61 (isolation #10) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:26 am

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Seriously though, this thread isn't a mish mash game.
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Post Post #65 (isolation #11) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:37 am

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I like jokes when they're funny :P but the mafia game joke is a tad overdone on this site.

I considered editing everyone's posts to troll them, but it seemed unsportsmanlike.
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Post Post #70 (isolation #12) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:10 am

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I have no further questions, I vote for Tingle to win.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #13) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:22 am

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Actually, scratch that, I think Robin deserves it more.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:04 am

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I was talking about Arkham! D:
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Post Post #86 (isolation #15) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:33 pm

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See above! The new version won't be using the queue, on account of not having as much emphasis on the social aspect.

Also, Survivor: Expect the Unexpected is moving to the head of the queue because no one else is ready.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #16) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:13 pm

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You. I like you.

Edit: I'm deleting fake modding posts. Please stop it. Thank you.
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Post Post #109 (isolation #17) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:27 am

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New tribes every round? o.o

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Post Post #116 (isolation #18) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:34 am

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TOO RIGHT

IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME

YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS LIKE IN THOSE TRENCHES SONNY
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Post Post #118 (isolation #19) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:38 am

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BACK IN NAM WE DIDN'T GIVE OLD FOLKS NO LIP

OR SOMETHING
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Post Post #119 (isolation #20) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:39 am

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...I'm shitting up my own thread now aren't I.

I shouldn't do that.
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Post Post #122 (isolation #21) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:41 am

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In post 121, SleepyKrew wrote:Cephrir, as a fellow subtle pink, I just wanna let you know that you've done a wonderful job so far and I love you.

Aww, that's so sweet!
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Post Post #135 (isolation #22) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:57 pm

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(unmutiny)
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Post Post #137 (isolation #23) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:16 pm

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they were at some point peripherally on topic

but i still might eventually
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Post Post #138 (isolation #24) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:19 pm

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It's quite possible I should restrict this thread to announcements and direct and important observations on said announcements. After all, it's not like there isn't a place to have these conversations.
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Post Post #152 (isolation #25) » Mon May 04, 2015 4:31 pm

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Added to post 1.
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Post Post #157 (isolation #26) » Tue May 05, 2015 12:21 pm

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It depends on what it is. A 12-player big brother game would still use the queue. Other things would be more of a case by case basis. If the primary focus is socializing, this is probably where it happens. I don't know that we have the need or demand for another queue (and it would likely attract basically the same crowd).
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Post Post #159 (isolation #27) » Tue May 05, 2015 3:32 pm

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^That.
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Post Post #167 (isolation #28) » Wed May 06, 2015 2:02 am

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No one is even trying to run said small games as is, and no one has contacted me saying "I want to run X thing but the queue system is preventing me," so we seem to be trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Also, I don't think SC wants there to be yet another queue (and I agree).
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Post Post #169 (isolation #29) » Wed May 06, 2015 4:20 am

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I can't think of something like that that would even need a queue?

Like if someone came to me asking about something that met those specifications, I would tell them to just go do it.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #30) » Wed May 06, 2015 5:03 am

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In that case;

non-anon/low number of players: I completely disagree, the player base is the same and the objective is to ensure we aren't spread thin & not really able to put effort in and to keep interest levels in a place that will make the games that do run good.
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Post Post #174 (isolation #31) » Wed May 06, 2015 5:38 am

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I'm under the impression there were <10 cuts in both of those cases?

I don't see what's currently preventing mods from running small games. If such a thing were to happen, I'd think about running two (partially or wholly) concurrently.
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Post Post #190 (isolation #32) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:19 am

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In post 188, xRECKONERx wrote:We had 40+ apps for Hyrule so we cut at least 15+

I heard this number but I thought it included "I want to spectate" apps
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Post Post #215 (isolation #33) » Thu May 07, 2015 12:04 pm

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It's true, it's all truuuuue!
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Post Post #236 (isolation #34) » Wed May 20, 2015 12:26 pm

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I think 10 players is small enough that you can bypass the queue.
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I think it would also be likely to draw a reasonably different crowd (and managing this crowd's commitments is around 60% of the point really), so you should be fine. If you struggle to find signups, let me know, but I don't think you will.

(and though the nonplayers play a significant role, I'm imagining it's not a huge time commitment for them)
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Post Post #252 (isolation #36) » Sat May 30, 2015 5:20 am

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Not sure what I'm going to do with it yet, but I'm grabbing a queue slot for myself.
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Post Post #277 (isolation #37) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:34 am

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I'll need details to determine whether a queue slot is required?
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Post Post #279 (isolation #38) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:45 am

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OK then!
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Post Post #283 (isolation #39) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:58 am

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^what he said
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Post Post #285 (isolation #40) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:31 am

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Post Post #289 (isolation #41) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:38 am

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Yeah that's fair. You can get something of a sense from reading confessionals of players who survived most/all of the game usually, but you'll only be getting their perspective. Spectator areas could be helpful as well.
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Post Post #291 (isolation #42) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:56 am

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Unless you like insanity. :}
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Post Post #302 (isolation #43) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:09 am

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yeah

they'll post here when it's time (or I will if they forget)
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Post Post #319 (isolation #44) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:48 am

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The defense has no idea what you are talking about. >_>
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Post Post #322 (isolation #45) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:52 am

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<_<
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Post Post #325 (isolation #46) » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:57 pm

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Since there seems to have been some demand for something like this, each game now has a status update alongside it, so if you're wondering which of these queue objects are actually happening and when they might happen, you can get a better sense of that. Except for recent queue entrants, since obviously their progress will probably be nothing.
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Post Post #330 (isolation #47) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:22 pm

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My game is now tentatively titled "Survivor: Republic City," and will be themed after the Avatar: The Last Airbender universe.

I'm not really looking for a co-mod yet, but eventually I will be.
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Post Post #331 (isolation #48) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:31 pm

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OK, I lied about the name and will probably change it whenever my whims determine it must be so, because I can.
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Post Post #334 (isolation #49) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:57 am

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shots fired
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Post Post #338 (isolation #50) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 10:14 am

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/out

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Post Post #341 (isolation #51) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:06 am

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I'm both disturbed that I know who a lot of those people are and glad that I don't know who all of them are.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #52) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:03 am

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In case this is something anyone wants to plan around, my upcoming game is going to be pretty basic and a bit of a move back towards the show.
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Post Post #355 (isolation #53) » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:32 am

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I'm going to go with "we don't allow that for mafia games, so let's not allow it for Survivor either."

(I'm possibly overstepping my authority by trying to make that call, but I'm only thinking of that now that it's too late)
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Post Post #359 (isolation #54) » Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:05 am

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I don't see the humor
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Post Post #362 (isolation #55) » Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:10 am

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...ok.....
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Post Post #366 (isolation #56) » Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:35 am

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If you have a problem, take it to the right person. Either way, please stop it.
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Post Post #377 (isolation #57) » Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:11 am

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That did not happen in this thread.
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Post Post #378 (isolation #58) » Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:12 am

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And it's not my job to tell you what you can and can't do over skype.
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Post Post #400 (isolation #59) » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:04 pm

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At least feeling unwelcome is something we can agree on
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Post Post #431 (isolation #60) » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:08 am

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Sure. You'll need a comod when the time approaches (actually that goes for a few games in the queue).
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Post Post #436 (isolation #61) » Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:52 am

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I don't know, people don't tell me things even when there isn't loldrama
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Post Post #446 (isolation #62) » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:14 pm

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Thanks.
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Post Post #447 (isolation #63) » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:44 pm

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I'm resigning. I just don't need this in my life right now.

I will continue to run the thread until it's time for it to be taken over.
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Post Post #459 (isolation #64) » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:50 am

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There was no job description for this position, and I had to find out what people wanted or were unhappy about through them bitching to xof about it. This also included people giving her updates on their games, which I can thus infer it would not have been hard to give to me (and frankly, I think that in many cases this was a deliberate attempt to make my job harder, but that is neither here nor there). I did go and get a status update from everyone when I learned that this was something people felt was necessary.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #65) » Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:26 am

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<3
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Post Post #474 (isolation #66) » Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:13 am

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preferential voting? :P
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Post Post #515 (isolation #67) » Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:57 pm

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In post 509, xRECKONERx wrote:Being placed in the queue should be reserved for people who have some actual completion done on their game

I didn't feel like I could implement it without making a mess of everything, but I very much agree with this
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Post Post #563 (isolation #68) » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:27 pm

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I don't think concurrent games are a good idea. Some players will try to play both; this will end badly. If that is not permitted, it will still at best result in both of the relevant games having lower quality casts.
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Post Post #568 (isolation #69) » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:33 pm

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The mods wouldn't know whether players were in both games, which at best creates a mess of people knowing who is in what games
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Post Post #588 (isolation #70) » Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:36 am

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I believe we are completely ready (but I'll have to make sure we're on the same page in that regard).
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Post Post #595 (isolation #71) » Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:55 pm

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...no matter what the poll even says?
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Post Post #613 (isolation #72) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:09 am

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In post 609, Shadoweh wrote:Doctor Who experience

i mean this in the best possible way: you would not be a very good used car salesman
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Post Post #625 (isolation #73) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:26 pm

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In post 624, xRECKONERx wrote:ughhhhhhh
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Post Post #651 (isolation #74) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:59 pm

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Announcing: Galaxy, a new-format social game inspired by Pirate Master and brainchild of the illustrious kloud1516. The theme is loosely based around Super Mario Galaxy and the Marioverse, with appearances from other Nintendo characters/titles. 15 players.

We've got a beautiful forum set up, some challenges designed and are actively working on the rest. We're probably on the borderline for whether we should be in the queue now or not, but we'd like to be (the description for abridged seems to fit our current location well).
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Post Post #687 (isolation #75) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:22 pm

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(also, remember to get hype)
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Post Post #696 (isolation #76) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:28 pm

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In post 692, CuddlyCaucasian wrote:Oh my god will everyone be a presidential candidate

That's incredible
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Post Post #760 (isolation #77) » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:17 am

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maybe i should disappear long enough to be treated like some kind of rare bird
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Post Post #782 (isolation #78) » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:44 pm

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<_>
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Post Post #787 (isolation #79) » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:58 pm

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that is a reach good sir

mafiascum trivia: i was friends with wizardcat before we came here
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Post Post #822 (isolation #80) » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:38 am

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In post 816, Xalxe wrote:I totally forgot to post this earlier, sorry, but if anybody's interested in the total results from the survey I had ani post a couple weeks back, here's a link to the analytics.

tl;dr:

- Don't do Redemption Island, everyone hates it
- If everyone could get over their Heroes vs Villains boner that would be A+ thx
- Newbies vs Veterans is also probably a bad idea

Well newbies vs veterans kind of happened? I don't know that it reeeeally needs to happen again? And I think the results would usually be a bit unsurprising.
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Post Post #851 (isolation #81) » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:36 pm

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Is there a separate tribe for sassy antiheroes
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Post Post #871 (isolation #82) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:23 am

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There are reasons why those are less fun, though. If, for instance, your name is Snakes, you may be tempted to just not bother with that sort of thing.
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Post Post #875 (isolation #83) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:50 am

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I figured someone would try to use that data point but you have to remember I did so by winning immunity six times
in a row
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Post Post #876 (isolation #84) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:51 am

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I'm not saying we shouldn't do that again though it was definitely fun

I just don't think we should take that to mean newbies have a really realistic chance of winning :P
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Post Post #1017 (isolation #85) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:03 am

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wow i did not put that together!!
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #86) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:19 am

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i don't think that post was serious
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Post Post #1132 (isolation #87) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:46 am

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someone could play as final destination
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Post Post #1212 (isolation #88) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:57 am

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having the reviewer act as a fourth mod seems like a really good idea

to some extent, mods also need to treat agreeing to mod as a commitment and potentially get replaced if they can't actually help
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Post Post #1309 (isolation #89) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:00 am

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I kind of agree, but I'm not sure there's anything good that can be done about it.
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Post Post #1348 (isolation #90) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:23 pm

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it's about time, i feel like i've heard 100 different pirate master game ideas
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