The StarCraft II thread

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Post your online StarCraft II IDs in this thread so we can find you, and we can all play together!

These are in alphabetical order by Mafiascum name.

Mafiascum Name	Starcraft II Name	Starcraft II ID	Comment
ActionDan	ActionDan	#774
AGar	AGar	#777
AngryPidgeon	Douchebag	#828
BBMolla	BrettMollard	#893
borkjerfkin	Chardizzo	#432
Bub Bidderskins	Bidderskins	#410
Claus	PatoArmado	#451
DCLXVI	DCLXVI	#939
DTMaster	DTMaster	#595
Fate	Fate	#257	(formerly Chain #369)
Flameaxe	Buhbuhbam	#884
Gammagooey	Gamma	#853
Iecerint	Iecerint	#713
JDodge	hallucinogen	#324
Maestro	Maestro	#1198
Moratorium	moratorium	#246
Nuwen	Nuwen	#294
Papa Zito	PapaZito	#836	Has no idea what he is doing.
pickemgenius	pickemgenius	#577
SaintKerrigan	StKerrigan	#662
scotmany12	ejcraw	#253
Shanba	Shanba	#743	EU
TheButtonMen	TheButtonMen	#659
TheGunslinger	Marksman	#977
TiphaineDeath	Whatami	#595
tn5421	Harumi	#279
tn5421	Harumi	#407	KOREA
VisMaior	legallyBlind	#469	EU
xRECKONERx	reckonerX	#447
Zyrconium	Zyrconium	#398	EU

How do I find my Starcraft II ID?

Choose Add Friend -> Add Character Friend, then make a note of the number shown.

PM Iecerint if you would like to have your name added

and it hasn't been included here.

You can also

join the Mafiascum group

via the in-game Group function.

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Is anyone on MS awful at Starcraft II?

I got it back when it was released, but I haven't touched it in a few months.

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I picked this up again a few days ago.

Name: Iecerint
Code: 713

Add me if you want.

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It didn't let me add you back...I guess you just messaged me? O well.

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Ha. Like a more formal Worst of the Worst.

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Oh, neat, there're some other Bronze people. I don't have to be embarrassed about doing my Season 2 placement matches.

Speaking of that -- this is a little superficial, but would anyone be OK with doing my 2v2 matches with me to help me get Hot Shot? A paralyzing sense of imperfection is going to haunt me until I get it...

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I didn't know if it was polite to ask, DRK.

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Thanks, AGar.

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I lost my 2v2 and the wise sorting algorithm put me in Platinum.

LOL?

Good thing it gets reset soon...

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I wish I knew what was up with the algorithm...

Maybe it has something to do with overall score? I have most of the campaign achievements, so my score's artificially inflated.

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Guys I can't beat In Utter Darkness on Hard plz help.

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Yeah, I already got the achievements (that's on Normal), so ye know.

I also can't get Aces High. D:

But those are the last two~!

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I have nydus + psi disruptor. D:

Oh well. I'm going to play through again to get the Welcome To The Jungle Hard achievement, anyway, since I did that one early on and without upgrades because I wanted to get all the tech achievements this time through, so I can always change it next time.

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Have you guys played the adapted SC1 SC2 missions? They're actually done very well.

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Yay I got the Lost Viking achievement. ^^~

Simple pleasures.

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Just 1. It doesn't really take that long. And I like the music.

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It's easy if you recognize a few key points:

1. The upgrades cycle through all the possibilities when they appear. If it gives you something suboptimal, you can wait and let it change.
2. Drones effectively give you extra "life" on top of the added offense. Always max drones if they aren't already maxed.
3. Bombs grant short-term invulnerability. Use if you're on the verge of death. You can also use it if a free bomb appears, since you'll have free reign to grab it to replace what you used.
4. Plasma is better than side missiles for bosses, and not much worse for other stuff when you have 2 drones doing side-damage, anyway.
5. You can also use WASD to move around.

Knowing this, you can prioritize upgrades by going dronex2 (the black one) -> plasmax2 (the one after that) -> bombs (the blue one) to infinity, and then just replenish drones as necessary. You have to screw up 3 consecutive times to lose a life, so you'll easily get extra lives well before you lose them.

I got the final achievement when I beat the 3rd Terratron in Level 9. Finally died on Level 11, but I wasn't really as focused anymore. ^^~

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Next order of business is In Utter Darkness on Brutal with the research upgrade. O_o

I may finally give in and get the research afterwards on Normal...just two DT walls was enough of a pain to manage on Hard.

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Well, that was a joke. O.o

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Are the players who said they were awful a long time still bad? I feel like I'm late to the bad-at-real-Starcraft party.

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It took me a while but I eventually beat that on Brutal with a fairly mixed army (decent number of carriers+void rays+ dark templars, stalkers, and about 6 colossi) and tons of photon cannons, when the nydus things appear make sure you target them down first, they'll absolutely maim any photon cannon defenses with never-ending broodlings if you don't.

And my laptop is finally back up and running so STARCRAFT TONIGHT.

I did it on the first try with pretty much just a DT wall and phoenixes to snipe overseers. I had to load once when the enemy brought in 3 overseers from one side and one from the other simultaneously, but that's all. I replayed it on Casual after that to pick up the research and actually scored less well. O.o

I think photon cannons might actually be counter-productive in this stage. I think the enemy may send more zerglings if you take too long to finish a wave, and the DTs are perfectly capable to kill anything provided you wall off and overseers die.

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ONLY ALL IN REMAINS.

SO CLOSE.

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I hadn't tried yet when I posted that. Yeah, I got it on my second try (had to load once because Kerrigan Psi-Storm'd all of my Banshees).

Now I have to play the REAL game, though, and my computer is too iffy to do that very well

I guess I could stall by playing Aiur Chef or whatever.

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I made bad decisions beforehand (ground mission instead of air mission, no perdition turrets) and never beat All in on Brutal.
GOOD LUCK.

Planetary fortress is actually the way to go IMO. You can easily block off the left side with 2 of them and some SCVs. The right's a little funkier, but the AI mostly stands and tries to kill the thing, so it doesn't matter.

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Doesn't S3 not start until July 25th or something...?

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I read that on a forum a few days ago. May just be remembering incorrectly.

Anyway, I'm all for taking it at the same time as you guys. Just let me know. I'll be busy from like uhh I guess midnight - 5 AM or so EST tomorrow, but I can make myself available most times.

EDIT: Yay for knowing things ~

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What changed about the set-up over the past several months to make P imba rather than T? While I've noticed everyone saying as much, when I used to play, everyone complained about MMM being the unbalanced, attack-move strat. P was seen as "rush to Colossus in time to stop MMM." Z was seen as gimp at low levels s/p Spawn Larvae.

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I'm thinking about going Random and cheesing 100% of games to grind achievements because I am just that kind of player.

Sorry everyone.

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At least I'll go back to Bronze. I don't wanna play in Silver.

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I hate you.

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It could just be that he wants to lose strategically so that he can stay in Bronze and achieve the fastest possible wins/time ratio because he wants the Dark Voice avatar.

Against anything Hard AI or below, I think you can just defend->attack-move counter-attack and win every time. Or you can do standard cheese (proxy barracks/6 pool/cannons) and win every time.

I wish I had youtube here so I could see the modern way to beat Insane with the various races (post-AI changes). That way I could convince myself to go Random Custom or Random Insane Co-Op instead of polluting league games with my filth.

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Oh, I wasn't talking about you. I was responding to the back-and-forth re: cheese keeps you in Bronze only if you do the cheese poorly/slightly more elaborate fail-proof-y strategies recommended.

My counterpoint was that the extra effort required for such strategies defeats the purpose of grinding achievements (because they take more time to execute).

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Yay random 250.

Excellent use of my free time.

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I go back and play the campaign every few years. Never got into the competitive side.

The legacy SC1 SC2 projects are really great, though, so it'll soon be deprecated.

I can run it on Windows 7 without any problems using ChaosLauncher.

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Anyone want to mindlessly grind Insane AI with me? I'm out of easy achievements to grind unless I wanna Random league, which, contrary to my prior claims, is a little low for me so far.

That, or figure out Left 2 Die. DRK and I couldn't manage Hard, though we (or at least I) didn't see the other ledge... ^^;

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I never quite put 2-and-2 together re: starting with PF. That would indeed make it extremely easy.

All the fancy mobs messed us up on Hard. We lost most everything when the first Stank came, and then had almost nothing for the 2nd one.

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We were too addicted to fancy bunkers and fancy reactors to get reapers. They were imba in the WoL scenario, though.

Only concern was that i think all the fancy units are armored.

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I've been waiting for HotS forever.

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I didn't get into the original Starcraft until 2005, so WoL felt more manageable.

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Bump for HotS.

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I bought it tonight after seeing some positive comments about the campaign. Enjoying it so far. I like Kerrigan's cute zerg friends.

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Yeah, the entire internet is annoyed at the dumb, retconned love story. They do lampshade this near the end of the game from what I understand, though, which made me feel a little better about it. And we also get a neat twist involving Raynor from what I understand.

The only plot-related thing that annoyed me was

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the death of Narud. Big anti-climax, since Duran was one of my favorite Brood War characters. I was over-the-moon about Alexei showing up, though. But there's probably still space for them to full a fast one in Legacy of the Void.

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Oh, I didn't mean that twist. That one was obvious from the beginning.

I was talking about how

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reawakening Kerrigan rebirthed Amon

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My hope is that

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Duran can create copies/aspects of himself, which is what Emil was, and Duran himself is the servant of Amon.

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Yeah, I'm basically just massing hydras every mission.

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I'm happy that my favorite UED character not named Duran made an appearance.

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You can also download the fan-made Starcraft Classic legacy missions, if you're a player who goes back and plays the original SC campaign regularly. It's done very well.

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$20 for WoL, $40 for HotS.

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I have the original Starcraft, too, but the SC2-version of it is worth playing through if you're a fan. Team Liquid did a good job.

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Finished the campaign today. The ending is similar to the leaked version from 2010, but not terrible. I was pretty OK with it.

I would have LIKED to have gotten a post-credits scene with the villains and maybe a Protoss scene to lead-into LotV, but meh.

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It was easy, but I liked all the scripted elements. They just needed moar power for the enemy. Respawning heroes would be a good start.

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Also can I just say that I have a huge crush:

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Flash

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It would be helpful if someone with a page 1 post (e.g., TBM) could update the table with everyone's information, since ReaperCharlie isn't on the site anymore.

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I wish they'd kept the Zerg relatively wormy/insect-y. The primal zerg in particular look too mammalian.

Kerrigan did have a little bit of hesitation early on, but it went away after

she thought that Raynor had died.

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which is complete horeshit and bad writing at its finest.

Cunning queen of blades that "knows mengsk and his tricks" my ass

Yeah, I agree. The whole love story subplot that became the mainplot is dumb. I personally ship Kerrigan X Stukov.

BUT it's not true that nothing happens to change Kerrigan's attitude. Her attitude change is linked to a very specific event.

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That was one of the things I wish it had

The final mission was much too easy compared to wol's final mission.

All I had to do in WoL's final mission is spam hive mind emulator/spectres/Tanks/goliaths and just turtle -.-

It's tough on Brutal, especially if you're going for the "use artifact only once" trophy.

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Chamber gave me control of the OP.

I am now ReaperCharlie Mark II

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If you want your ID to be included on the OP and it's currently not included, PM it to me, and I'll add it.

I'll also comb through the pages a little for some to add, but I may miss it if you don't PM it to me.

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What's the mafia map called? That sounds fun. I looked for it once, but couldn't find it.

I know there's one that's murder in the dark-based, but I didn't understand it back in 2011.

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I have the original Starcraft, too, but the SC2-version of it is worth playing through if you're a fan. Team Liquid did a good job.

there is an SC2 version of starcraft? wooo
pm me a link plz

Check here. I'm putting it here rather than PMing it because it's so great.

I think they're going to improve it moar with the HotS assets soon.

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I played the SC2 mafia map last night. The culture is a bit trollish, and the guy who made the map is apparently kind of a shady guy, but the map is made very well.

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Added myself, and added to the OP.

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I'm on most nights, mostly to finish up the HotS campaign on brutal.

I think I've friended everyone who joined the Mafiascum group.

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You have to get HotS so that you can develop a crush and/or mancrush on Stukov.

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EST.

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I usually play from 5-7 or so, or else 10-11. But I'll definitely contact you so that you can beat me if I happen to be on later sometime, maybe over a weekend.

I'm busier than usual right now because I'm finishing up a grant that's functionally due on Monday. Wish me luck.

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Klaz PM'd me once, but I was on my way off due to show-watching responsibilities, so I was kind of rude.

Sorry, Klaz. D:

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I always mass mutas against AI. The AI isn't very good at balancing attacking and responding to harassment.

I just need a partner who can repel the first wave, and it can beat anything up to Very Hard.

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I imagine Voids work about the same way, except that they're not as fast obvs.

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There's no Spawn Larvae in the Zerg campaign, which makes them extremely easy to play even before you factor in Kerrigan. You can basically mass hydras and attack + move to beat every map, plus adding macro hatcheries and zergings to use excess minerals if you're playing on a harder difficulty.

@ Maestro -- There are also "Mastery Achievements" that aren't listed upon mission completion for some reason that require Hard/Brutal.

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then we cornered her and I thought it was alternate but now that I think about it maybe that's just what your'e supposed to do after you get the 100 Eggs...?

It's not a secret achievement -- they're all listed if you choose achievements -> Swarm achievements -> Mastery achievements.

Kerrigan achievements are also beyond the "3 per mission" ones.

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Whoa, widow mines work vs. air? That's pretty cool.

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Swarm Host (Z) - siege walker, half-burrows (still attackable without detection) then spawns waves of Locusts to attack (which're actually pretty okay for spawned units)

detection is needed to attack them.

This is confusing as they aren't that way in the campaign. There you don't need detection, but you do in multiplayer.

I think you have to spend an adaptation/evolution to make them invulnerable without detection?

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In MP you have to balance that with using Spawn Larvae, and Queens are slowslowslow.

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Well, that's true, but Hatcheries, Queens, and especially Infestors became ridiculous.

And that's before you get to cheese like raptors + zergling reconstitution.

Campaign is fun.

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Well, most games probably didn't make it that far, anyway.

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Corruptors were kinda silly, much like Devourers before them.

Vipers seem like flying Defilers, mostly, minus Plague.

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I enjoyed that, TBM.

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I don't see any documentary evidence of your mutas D:

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I had assumed you were joking. We all left almost immediately.

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TBM has us all blocked. D:

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Yayyyy let's kill the computer together sometime.

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WHAT NO POSTS IN A WEEK HUH???

ABSURD

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I'm doing my 3v3 placement matches now. It's lots of fun when I get at least 1 other Zerg and we 8 pool someone to death.

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Klaz, Maestro, Maestro's twin, and I had lots of fun last night. :X

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We just did 2v2 (Klaz beat the Maestro brothers basically single-handedly after my cheese was stopped by cannonz) and then lots of v AI stuff.

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I didn't see anyone last night.



Let me know if I just lost hope inappropriately.

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I just kinda pop in every hour or so to see if you guys are there. I wonder if I just keep missing you. D:

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I'm so bad at ZvT 1v1. So bad.

I mean all I can do is expand and expand and expand and maybe scare him away from my expansions from time to time. Meanwhile he does MMM and I die, even if I've limited him to his natural.

I think the way around this is supposed to be fungal growth + banes, soooo maybe I just need to do that and quit whining.

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I need coaching from TBM and/or to view his replays. D:

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The Internet seems to think that Infestors will solve all of my problems.

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Welp, I worked in Infestors and the Terran became trivial. I had expansions at half of the map, he turtled while I was at 200/200 with 40 larvae and 4000 minerals. 8 infestors could basically NP fungal growth him into Oblivion. I worked in mutas toward the end.

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I just wanted some antiair, and I had enough bank to get them to critical mass, and the enemy was heavy in anti-ground since I'd just used lings and Infestors most of the game.

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Maybe tomorrow night. I'm visiting family tonight.

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Totally would've had I known. (((((((((((

I try to peak on at midnight EST or so to try to find you.

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Tomorrow is now rite?

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Oh, maybe I'm on some kind of DST. It's 12:30 here right now.

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WELLLLL I'm going to have to turn in early tonight, unfortunately. I have to be lab relatively early tomorrow morning for a meeting, and I'm already yawning and stuff. D:

I guess this explains why I never see you guys at "midnight"....

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There's already a group, I think. Do join!

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I'll probably next be on Saturday night.

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I'll be on with 1-2 rl friends tonight.

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TiphaineDeath added to OP.

If I miss anyone, feel free to PM me.

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BB should add his information.

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Post your Starcraft name and ID so that I can add it to the OP.

Your name should be obvious to you. Your ID can be found by clicking on "Add Friend" and then "Add Character Friend" and providing the 3/4-digit character code number.

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OP updated

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I'll get on

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Klaz you totally broke my heart btw.

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Ya I sat on for awhile and no one came.

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Yeah, spawns were part of the original Starcraft game, too. I'm happy to see they were added back in at some point.

It looks like the spawns are enhanced for a limited time.

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Yeah, they basically let you play unlimited multiplayer provided that you played with the friend you spawned from IIRC.

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OMG ACTIONDAN PLAY WITH ME

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Also give yr digits & neims

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AP can play too I guess but he is apparently not crap.

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Off to costume fitting, then girlfriend's, potentially playing tonight? (Tonight meaning 8 or so hours from now) but we'll see.

OK, that means midnight EST?

I will be there probably.

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Off to costume fitting,

then girlfriend's

, potentially playing tonight? (Tonight meaning 8 or so hours from now) but we'll see.

The same one, a new one, or a different one?

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I've only ever played with you and Maestro as far as MS people are concerned.

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ActionDan, you should be able to download it from your battle.net profile.

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UH OH.

Wellll I hope you remember your SC2 name. :[

Also I wonder if we all have to have HotS to play together?

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ohhhhh i see.

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you should play elli.

With your 300 apm good lord.

w

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BBMolla killed it. :[

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Gosh guys I could be hooking up with a twinky Asian right now. :[

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I'm in provided I get my workin done.

Let me know when you'll be on so you can beat me, AD.

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(We can always let people play with handicaps if things are too absurd. It's not like skill gaps are insurmountable.)

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My parents want me to watch GoT with them, so I might do that. In that case, I'll be on around 10:30 or 11 EST.

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My broadband just exploded, so I may not be able to play unless it spontaneously fixes in the next 4 hours or so.

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Yay, it spontaneously fixed.

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I have to make my poster for my Seattle thing so that I will be able to play around 10:30 (i.e., in 4 hours).

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Welp, I'm on whenever other people are.

Don't think I know Dan's information, so he'll have to PM it to me or add me or whatever.

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I'm going to finish this episode of Sherlock while checking in periodically.

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We also need your character ID number.

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Post your Starcraft name and ID so that I can add it to the OP.

Your name should be obvious to you. Your ID can be found by clicking on "Add Friend" and then "Add Character Friend" and providing the 3/4-digit character code number.

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Sent you an invite, Klaz.

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I had thought that Klaz and I literally had nothing at the time when I dropped out. I had just finished rebuilding my spawning pool and literally had no army apart from 1 queen and one spine. :X

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It reminds me of an earlier game when I was down to like 4 mutas and then you suddenly swept in with 30 that you'd kept hiding at your base. -_-

I can play later tonight.

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Oh, I had thought you were literally taking the GRE yesterday....

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Give yr neim & numba.

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OP Updated

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I'll be hanging around for another hour or so. Let me know if you want to play.

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Klaz is the double champion.

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I had people I needed to add to the OP.

Very important.

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Our loss was only a loss because I messed up my build order slightly AND neglected to put down static to compensate.

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Sorry -- last night I went to bed at like 9 PM and slept forever. Doing science was exhausting.

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Mhm

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You're already gone again...

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I'll probably be on.

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I think they're still there.

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I have to get this paper revision done tonight for a friend. I'll get on when I finish.

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Most of the people who post here lately are pretty casual with some noteworthy exceptions, but I guess Team Liquid is probably the go-to place?

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I wanted to try my hand at SC2, so I downloaded the free starting game where you can only play Terran (fine by me, since I'd pretty much only play Terran in anyway). I have a little experience with SC1, but there are so many new units in SC2 that not much of that experience carries over. Any good advice for starting out? Easy Terran build orders? Also, what are some good websites for SC2?

Give yr neim & numba plz.

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Also, Mutalisks ruin my day almost every time they show up.

Phoenixes

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I have edited the OP with instructions.

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So I know this game is pretty dead, but Team Liquid FINALLLY released their Brood War remake. FWIW.

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When I used to play this years ago, I actually found Bronze more challenging than Silver, because Bronze had a very high rate of cheesy starts that you just kinda have to weather. After that, you hit people with poor APM who try to play the game, and so on.

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I think you're in the OP?