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diginova · Post Post #6125 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:16 am

In post 6124, bv310 wrote:Man, I really enjoyed AVR Draft, but it's pretty consistently shit on as awful.

I found it OK, but it

did

come right after one of the best draft formats of all time, DKA-ISD-ISD.

Shanba · Post Post #6126 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:22 am

DTK's alright, I think. Nothing special. I'm still enjoying the format, but I suspect I won't draft it as much as I drafted trip ktk.

FRF is a miserable pack though. It does nothing nice or exciting or interesting.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #6127 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:42 am

I feel like my LGS feels the exact opposite of how the wider Magic community does about every format
Triple KTK was bad because "three colours is awkward and nothing feels good", RTR block was bad because "opening lands and mana fixing so often is stupid", Theros block was bad because "whoever gets the best white wins" despite me proving to them that all of those things were bullshit stemming from their inability to do anything but regurgitate what they saw on reddit

Then again these are the same people who think I'm literally a pro Magic player because I spend more than £100 on my decks and have cashed out of a couple of GPs

sooooooo

Shanba · Post Post #6128 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:45 am

In post 6127, Knight of Cydonia wrote:I feel like my LGS feels the exact opposite of how the wider Magic community does about every format
Triple KTK was bad because "three colours is awkward and nothing feels good", RTR block was bad because "opening lands and mana fixing so often is stupid", Theros block was bad because "whoever gets the best white wins" despite me proving to them that all of those things were bullshit stemming from their inability to do anything but regurgitate what they saw on reddit

Then again these are the same people who think I'm literally a pro Magic player because I spend more than £100 on my decks and have cashed out of a couple of GPs
sooooooo

My personal feelings on those formats were
Trip KTK is the best format since I started playing (m13).
RTR Block I never really understood - I couldn't find a strategy that worked. And ugh, I'll die a happy man if I never see another cluestone.
Theros is my least favourite format that I've played and actually by a distance.

ISO · Post Post #6129 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:00 am

I liked AVR well enough. Best draft formats in the last few years:

1) INN-INN-INN
2) m14
3) KTK-KTK-KTK

Couple of notes: Fate reforged is the worst draft set in a long time. It's the perfect combination of "rares being absurd" and "commons/uncommons being horrendous" that leads to games that are decided by power level imbalance and not by play skill. I don't know how many times I've lost to citadel siege, but I'll be very happy when it never happens again.

Ideas like "3 colors are awkward" or "nothing feels right" are symptomatic of weaker players. Most notably, it implies that most of the players at your store don't know how to adjust their draft values to pick mana fixing highly enough.

sthar8 · Post Post #6130 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:04 am

Return and Gatecrash was a great format. Also Lorwyn and Coldsnap.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #6131 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:14 am

In post 6129, Thestatusquo wrote:
Ideas like "3 colors are awkward" or "nothing feels right" are symptomatic of weaker players. Most notably, it implies that most of the players at your store don't know how to adjust their draft values to pick mana fixing highly enough.

I moved from a big city that regularly fired off 32-person FNMs to a tiny town's only LGS for about 45 minutes drive that only seats 12 (but lies about hosting 40-man events elsewhere so he can get enough MM2015 boxes to be able to do £200 pre-orders)

I turned up with UW Control in RTR-Theros Standard and literally didn't place anywhere but first at FNM for 3 months, then switched to Boss Sligh and didn't lose for another month when they all worked out that they needed to put pressure on the board before Turn 4. It's like being the only kid who realised how good any kind of mana-fixing could be back in school again. Every now and then I make the drive to the nearest "real" LGS and cleanse my palate.

ISO · Post Post #6132 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:43 am

In post 6130, sthar8 wrote:Return and Gatecrash was a great format. Also Lorwyn and Coldsnap.

Coldsnap? COLDSNAP?

You mean literally the worst draft format of all time coldsnap?

You mean draft ripple cards so that they would go off and you would be left with a deck of 80% lands for the rest of the game coldsnap???

That format was actually the worst. The verifiable worst.

(lorwyn was sweet though.)

Natirasha · Post Post #6133 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:08 pm

It's flawed, but not as bad as I think most think. It's fun in the same way The Room is a good movie or something.

hasdgfas · Post Post #6134 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:31 pm

I'm finding myself to be doing consistently poorly at DTK after doing incredibly during FKK and KKK drafts. I'm not even sure why. Maybe my card evaluation is off, or maybe I'm not very good at signals now that they're actually a thing.

Natirasha · Post Post #6135 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:12 pm

Also, Shea, did you typo M14 and mean M13, because M14 was a pretty forgettable format (not bad) while M13 was super amazing and the only reasons people don't remember it is because ISD was right before and it's a coreset.

Espeonage · Post Post #6136 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:29 pm

Normal benchmarks are kinda out the window in DTK. Like 3/3 for 3 is undercosted for creatures in drafting at the moment which puts a new light on the format for me when I realised. Also removal is strong but hard to find, so take it when you can because it's not going to come to you.

ISO · Post Post #6137 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:06 pm

m14.

Wait, you think m14 was forgettable? M14 is like the weirdest format we've had in the last 3 years. Aggro was unplayable. Divination was a first pick. That format was fucking dope.

M13 was ok.

ISO · Post Post #6138 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:08 pm

In post 6136, Espeonage wrote:Normal benchmarks are kinda out the window in DTK. Like 3/3 for 3 is undercosted for creatures in drafting at the moment which puts a new light on the format for me when I realised. Also removal is strong but hard to find, so take it when you can because it's not going to come to you.

3/3 for 3 has and always will be under costed. Thats not new at all.

Klazam · Post Post #6139 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:09 pm

Coldsnap was hilarious

sthar8 · Post Post #6140 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:43 pm

In post 6139, Klazam wrote:Coldsnap was hilarious

hasdgfas · Post Post #6141 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:17 pm

I really liked M14 because it was super weird. I got to draft a sweet double Elite Arcanist, Double Silence deck, as well as a deck with a couple Rods of Ruin and that Enchantment that makes all your opponent's creatures Illusions.

Shanba · Post Post #6142 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:15 pm

nessian courser tends to be among the earliest common picks when it's there.

M14 is the only format I've played where I maindecked millstone. It was definitely sweet.

Espeonage · Post Post #6143 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2015 4:17 am

Can I get someone to look at a brew list. This one is much more in my budget and will (apart from three cards across the entire list) be able to be used post rotation. It seems to do ok in early testing, but that has only been on cockatrice. Need to wait for cards to get in before I can actually try it out in paper.

It's basically GU face down.

PeregrineV · Post Post #6144 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2015 4:31 am

In post 6143, Espeonage wrote:Can I get someone to look at a brew list. This one is much more in my budget and will (apart from three cards across the entire list) be able to be used post rotation. It seems to do ok in early testing, but that has only been on cockatrice. Need to wait for cards to get in before I can actually try it out in paper.

It's basically GU face down.

Do you have a link?

Espeonage · Post Post #6145 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2015 4:38 am

http://pastebin.com/wkbYy9kg

It's still in drafting stages. Trying to get the right sort of balance going.

ISO · Post Post #6146 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2015 5:05 am

I know its budget, but the key to good budget is knowing when and where the budget needs to be expanded. It's 100% wrong to not be playing 4 den protector 4 deathmist raptor.

I don't think you need wooded foothills. It doesn't fix your mana, and you don't really have any synergies to take advantage of it.

I think you need some sort of interaction. Stratus dancer is not enough. You're going to lose to getting run over by more powerful decks. Cards like disdainful stroke seem potentially very good in your deck.

ISO · Post Post #6147 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2015 5:07 am

I would probably play icefeather aven. Card seems sweet in your deck.

ISO · Post Post #6148 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2015 5:38 am

maybe even stubborn denial. Very good when your ahead. Mediocre when you're not. Fine at parity.

hasdgfas · Post Post #6149 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2015 6:30 am

In post 6146, Thestatusquo wrote:I think you need some sort of interaction. Stratus dancer is not enough. You're going to lose to getting run over by more powerful decks. Cards like disdainful stroke seem potentially very good in your deck.

I agree with this. I ran this bant facedown list at Game Day, and it still wasn't enough interaction. I felt like I was goldfishing, and that...didn't go well.