Mini 424 - Game Over

[Nocmen]

I agree with MeMe...but I also think that everyone needs to try to renew interest in this game (even I will admit this is sort of on my list of games that have been half neglected). However, I did join this, and I will see through to it that I continue until the end of the game.

[spectrumvoid]

I really really don't have anything to add at the moment.

[MeMe]

We could just quit. I'm alright with that.

[spectrumvoid]

I wouldn't be alright with it... we're at day 3. *sob*

To get this game moving though, we need replacements.

[ac1983fan]

no quitting. quitting sucks. why ahsn't anybody commented on my last post yet?

[Javert]

Sure, I can respond to your last post, ac1983fan.

I am really against an SV lynch. She has claimed a powerrole. assuming the setup had only 3 scum, the current ratio of scum:town is 2:6. Even if we lynch town today and the mafia NK is succsessful, tomorow's scum:town ratio should be 2:4. that being said, I would rather lynch someone that is either townie or scum than lynch someone who is either cop or scum. And, since my only two real suspicsions are sweenytodd and Elias, and I find sweeny scummier than elias, I will

vote:sweeny

If spectrumvoid is scum, she will come out with a guilty investigation tomorrow and try to have a townsperson lynched. That's rather the point of claiming Cop when you're scum - to stop from being lynched, possibly to stop partners from being lynched, and to lynch townspeople. Notably, it's much easier to have townspeople lynched if they claim to have an innocent on a townsperson who is eager to believe a Cop-claim (as happened in this case).

Really, since I think if she is a Cop she is likely to be Naive (more than 50%), I find her claimed

role

completely useless at the moment, such that "leaving alive a Cop" is not really something I will bother calculating into my decision for lynching. The only purpose of spectrumvoid

to me

is that it is possible for the two of you to try to confirm/deny each others' abilities - such that you threaten to role-block her, and if both of you are alive tomorrow, she claims whether or not she received an investigation, and then you claim whether or not you blocked her (or vice versa - best would probably be to try to find a time for both of you to claim simultaneously, but that seems unlikely given our environment). Problems here naturally arise in that you could both scum together, that you could be a scum role-blocker, that scum could guess correctly, that one of you could die, and so on.

I would prefer we either get Sweenytodd back or find him a replacement before I decide on where my vote shall go, however I will be frank in saying I do not feel strong ties to this game, though I would prefer to finish what I begin if possible.

[ac1983fan]

Really, since I think if she is a Cop she is likely to be Naive (more than 50%), I find her claimed

role

completely useless at the moment, such that "leaving alive a Cop" is not really something I will bother calculating into my decision for lynching. The only purpose of spectrumvoid

to me

is that it is possible for the two of you to try to confirm/deny each others' abilities - such that you threaten to role-block her, and if both of you are alive tomorrow, she claims whether or not she received an investigation, and then you claim whether or not you blocked her (or vice versa - best would probably be to try to find a time for both of you to claim simultaneously, but that seems unlikely given our environment). Problems here naturally arise in that you could both scum together, that you could be a scum role-blocker, that scum could guess correctly, that one of you could die, and so on.

I wasn't thinking along those lines. I thinking more of, we wait until the mafia's night kill and SV's results come in tommorow and than we'll have a better idea if she is scum or not.

[Elias_the_thief]

So are you suggesting a no lynch then? If not, we need some commentary on who you feel is scum, though I admit Ive been lacking in this category.

[ac1983fan]

... Did you not read my post where i picked out you and sweeny and the scummiest? did you not notice I said sweeny was scummier than you? did you not notice that in the post javert quoted, I voted sweeny?

fos:elias

MOD NOTE

Sweenytodd

is being replaced.

[MeMe]

Did he say

why

he needed to be replaced?

[hand banana]

hi guys.
i'm the replacement, just got the pm.
will read the game tomorrow, and post my thoughts right after.

MOD NOTE

hand banana

replaces

Sweenytodd

effective immediately

[Elias_the_thief]

... Did you not read my post where i picked out you and sweeny and the scummiest? did you not notice I said sweeny was scummier than you? did you not notice that in the post javert quoted, I voted sweeny?

fos:elias

I noticed all of those things. However in the latest post you stated a mindset that focused on waiting for other things to happen before making a decision, which is what I was referring to.

[hand banana]

ok, just read the game and i understand why both of my predecessors left.

it's boring as fuck to play games like this as townie, and if it's of any help to the town (which i really doubt because i feel this town is a lost cause, we lost so many real power roles, this game is long and full of bs, anything besides mafia win will be a big surprise for me, and it's hard to even motivate myself to read it again), yes - i'm just a townie. (i'm just a dog)

i can't remember every specific detail, and after almost 2 hours it took for me to read this game, all i have are my gut feelings.

so let me begin:

i think either spectrumvoid or ac1983fan are scum.
and they are defending each other. i think one of them is a naive town who is defending scum, and the other one is trying to tie himself to a pro town player.
they might both be scum, but i think that's less likely.

the second scum candidate is either elias or javert (these 2 are more likely) and meme (less likely).

and now this:

If spectrumvoid is scum, she will come out with a guilty investigation tomorrow

if she is not scum, and really is a cop, she would not survive the night, unless mafia gets roleblocked (and the big question is do we really have a RB-er, cause this town definitely has way too many power roles, and can guarantee we have a faker).
this post kinda sets some red lights in my head.

unvote

my predecessor's vote if there was any.
fos: javert
and i will have to think between spectrumvoid or ac1983fan for my vote soon to come.

[MeMe]

What does "i'm just a dog" above mean?

[hand banana]

offtopic : it's a joke.. you have the whole episode right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2ilW4OQAI
watch it.
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to clarify my thought on javert: i smell some kind of connection between him and spectrumvoid. and they can't be masons.
i will try to re-read later this day again, and maybe make some more solid conclusions this time.

[Elias_the_thief]

*suddenly understands your name, sig, and offtopic joke*

[Nocmen]

I don't like the fact that sweeny just asked to be replaced like that, but I also don't like the fact that hand banana pointed out, regarding SV surviving through the night.

[MeMe]

I'm a little confused by that phrasing, Nocmen. You don't like hand banana for pointing it out? Or you don't like spectrumvoid based on what hand banana said?

[Nocmen]

I don't like the info that hand banana pointed out, which was that SV did survive through the night.
Sorry for the vague description, I wasn't compleltely thinking earlier.
I am satisfied with my vote on SV.

[Javert]

...

if she [spectrumvoid] is not scum, and really is a cop, she would not survive the night, unless mafia gets roleblocked (and the big question is do we really have a RB-er, cause this town definitely has way too many power roles, and can guarantee we have a faker).
this post kinda sets some red lights in my head.

Riddle me this, hand banana:

If spectrumvoid is town, which do you think scum would kill: the unconfirmed and untrusted claimed Cop, or the

confirmed

and trusted Mason (Nocmen)? Claiming Cop at this junction is perfect for scum specifically because it is highly likely that since yesterday, the Masons would have to die in a 1-2 punch - the more confirmed innocents in the game, the more likely the scum get lynched. In other words, there is a ready-made explanation for why a claimed Cop would continually survive nights, and furthermore, the fact that spectrumvoid claims to have only innocent investigations so far makes it so when (as scum) she finally does claim a guilty investigation, she can make sure she does so a LyLo.

[Elias_the_thief]

Good points Javert. It does seem more likely to me that scum would take out the confirmed players. Spectrums claim still seems questionable to me, but I'll hold off on the vote.

[hand banana]

any guessing of which player gets killed by scum is wifom, and can only confuse us.

i re-read last 8 pages, and decided to vote for acfan..

I didn't block anybody becuase I couldn't make a decision, and the first week of summer prevented me from rereading.

"roleblocker" who doesn't block anyone in a situation of mass role claim, with all power roles outed??
i mean, if he gets away with that, i don't know what to think anymore.
what possible damage could he make??
and if he blocked one of the unclaimed players he could have prevented mafia NK, without ANY risk whatsoever in blocking a possible town power role.

vote: ac1983fan

[Javert]

any guessing of which player gets killed by scum is wifom, and can only confuse us.

You're missing the point. The point is

you

were claiming that if spectrumvoid were town, she would be nightkilled. The point

I

was claiming that if spectrumvoid were town, the better kill would probably be Nocmen, seeing as he is confirmed innocent, and does not have even the slightest chance of being lynched.

There is nothing here which should confuse you.

Now answer my question: Do you think scum would prefer to kill the claimed Cop, or the guaranteed Mason?

[hand banana]

sorry man, english is not my native language, i can get confused.

and your question.. i don't know.
if i was scum, i would kill a cop over mason anytime.
but all this is crap wifom logic.
mafia may let him live if he's the real cop because he is not trusted enough and can get lynched..

what do you think about acfan?

[Javert]

Current thoughts on ac1983fan.