In post 6248, Espeonage wrote:The two times I've done without redraft all first place got was whatever the fnm promo was at the time.
Then your store is really, er, "frugal" with their prizes. Most places that don't do redrafts actually give you packs as prizes for doing well.
In post 6244, Thestatusquo wrote:Unless its like a 9$ draft. My store does 9$ drafts on a weekday with redrafts.
Also, Modern Masters drafts will be redrafts a large amount of the time because of the cost.
Yeah. If it's super cheap, redrafts are ok. But regular price drafts with redrafts as "prizes"? No way.
In post 6246, Espeonage wrote:I just don't see the point of playing if there isn't a redraft. There's no reason to even try to come first, just pick whatever is the most value and then leave.
I like, you know, playing Magic too.
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In post 6248, Espeonage wrote:The two times I've done without redraft all first place got was whatever the fnm promo was at the time.
Then your store is really, er, "frugal" with their prizes. Most places that don't do redrafts actually give you packs as prizes for doing well.
In post 6244, Thestatusquo wrote:Unless its like a 9$ draft. My store does 9$ drafts on a weekday with redrafts.
Also, Modern Masters drafts will be redrafts a large amount of the time because of the cost.
Yeah. If it's super cheap, redrafts are ok. But regular price drafts with redrafts as "prizes"? No way.
In post 6246, Espeonage wrote:I just don't see the point of playing if there isn't a redraft. There's no reason to even try to come first, just pick whatever is the most value and then leave.
I like, you know, playing Magic too.
Oh yeah, charging 15 and not prize supporting is absolute horse shit.
I suspect there are almost no places that do that though?
In post 6244, Thestatusquo wrote:Unless its like a 9$ draft. My store does 9$ drafts on a weekday with redrafts.
Also, Modern Masters drafts will be redrafts a large amount of the time because of the cost.
Yeah, doing redraft for a weekday draft or a casual thing with 7 of your friends is way better.
Esp, I think your Store Owner is just a cheap-ass if he's not providing prize support at FNM. Even when my old LGS was on the verge of bankruptcy, he still provded 1.5 packs per head to the Prize Pool.
Rare redrafting is just such a kick in the teeth. "oh you're happy you opened that neat thing? Well screw you, Spike McPlaysMore gets it because he's been drafting this set nonstop since it came out online, if you want nice things you should just GET GUD NERD" (and to be clear, this is coming from the perspective of a guy who would probably be Spike McPlaysMore in this scenario)
In post 6255, Knight of Cydonia wrote:Rare redrafting is just such a kick in the teeth. "oh you're happy you opened that neat thing? Well screw you, Spike McPlaysMore gets it because he's been drafting this set nonstop since it came out online, if you want nice things you should just GET GUD NERD" (and to be clear, this is coming from the perspective of a guy who would probably be Spike McPlaysMore in this scenario)
Rare redrafting tends to have a flatter prize structure. Unless some super mythic is opened the 4 packs or w/e first place is getting is probably more valuable than the cards opened. It's also cheaper so that more drafts can be done. I truly think the 15 dollar draft that pays out 5-3-2-2 or w/e is worse for new players overall. I can't speak to their perception of events though.
In post 6255, Knight of Cydonia wrote:Rare redrafting is just such a kick in the teeth. "oh you're happy you opened that neat thing? Well screw you, Spike McPlaysMore gets it because he's been drafting this set nonstop since it came out online, if you want nice things you should just GET GUD NERD" (and to be clear, this is coming from the perspective of a guy who would probably be Spike McPlaysMore in this scenario)
Mhm. I host weekly rare redrafts at work, but it's $8 and everyone knows it's redraft. So while we have some people who run into that situation who are less experienced than others, it's caused several of them to improve significantly since they've starting coming just so that they can have decent picks.
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In post 6248, Espeonage wrote:The two times I've done without redraft all first place got was whatever the fnm promo was at the time.
Then your store is really, er, "frugal" with their prizes. Most places that don't do redrafts actually give you packs as prizes for doing well.
In post 6244, Thestatusquo wrote:Unless its like a 9$ draft. My store does 9$ drafts on a weekday with redrafts.
Also, Modern Masters drafts will be redrafts a large amount of the time because of the cost.
Yeah. If it's super cheap, redrafts are ok. But regular price drafts with redrafts as "prizes"? No way.
In post 6246, Espeonage wrote:I just don't see the point of playing if there isn't a redraft. There's no reason to even try to come first, just pick whatever is the most value and then leave.
I like, you know, playing Magic too.
Oh yeah, charging 15 and not prize supporting is absolute horse shit.
I suspect there are almost no places that do that though?
I mean there is no point as people aren't picking to make the best deck either which means you have a shittier set of decks.
*$18.
We have a Video Game Association that does $15 drafts at uni though which are much better run.
In post 6258, Espeonage wrote:I mean there is no point as people aren't picking to make the best deck either which means you have a shittier set of decks.
*$18.
We have a Video Game Association that does $15 drafts at uni though which are much better run.
You do $18 drafts where the only prize support is rare redrafts? They're ripping you off.
Past like, the first pick of each pack, people are picking to make the best decks even if you don't rare redraft. It's really not that big an issue.
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In post 6264, Thestatusquo wrote:KoC, just saying "the person who does better in the tournament gets better prizes" with more pejoratives doesn't actually make it a bad thing?
Context is a wonderful thing, especially when you consider the context of "$18 drafts with no other prize support"
I mean, if you want to argue that that's how we want to introduce new players to the joys of FNM, that's cool
I would basically never agree to a red raft under any circumstances. If I knew it was happening before the draft, I wouldn't play and if I somehow missed that it was happening and ended up playing anyway, I'd walk out if my Rares were any sort of valuable and never come back.
In post 6264, Thestatusquo wrote:KoC, just saying "the person who does better in the tournament gets better prizes" with more pejoratives doesn't actually make it a bad thing?
Context is a wonderful thing, especially when you consider the context of "$18 drafts with no other prize support"
I mean, if you want to argue that that's how we want to introduce new players to the joys of FNM, that's cool
In post 6264, Thestatusquo wrote:KoC, just saying "the person who does better in the tournament gets better prizes" with more pejoratives doesn't actually make it a bad thing?
Context is a wonderful thing, especially when you consider the context of "$18 drafts with no other prize support"
I mean, if you want to argue that that's how we want to introduce new players to the joys of FNM, that's cool
you're an idiot.
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In post 6264, Thestatusquo wrote:KoC, just saying "the person who does better in the tournament gets better prizes" with more pejoratives doesn't actually make it a bad thing?
Context is a wonderful thing, especially when you consider the context of "$18 drafts with no other prize support"
I mean, if you want to argue that that's how we want to introduce new players to the joys of FNM, that's cool
you're an idiot.
I actually agree with KoC here, which might be the first time I've ever said that. Redrafts are not an acceptable prize structure for FNMs, and I'd rather go home and play MTGO than play a redraft-only FNM. As a casual 8-man draft, rare redrafts are great, but not at an event that's supposed to make more people want to come back and support a store. Losing your Ugin because you're not very good at drafting is the kind of thing that makes people quit and never come back.
I feel like the other reason why people at my store like rare redrafts is because a bunch of them fly around to GPs and stuff and want to mimic the draft environment there where the rares don't go first just because they are rares. One of the guys was actually coming 14th at GP Shanghai until he bombed the last three rounds.
Yeah, I mean, I hate my store here's payout and I always win draft FNM because there are like two players capable of keeping up with me, but I always feel bad that they do 8-4s for draft FNM with a sizable contigent of young kids there.
But that goes back to my store's 'core group' being rotten assholes. I mean, they tried to stop us from having a 10 man FNM draft because 'it messes up the pick order' despite usually hosting 6-7 man pods. They only relented because I called up the store owner at home and informed her that they were about to lose ten people's business lol. So now I'm on their hatelist but that's okay.
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I'm not saying that redrafts are good. I agree they're bad. I'm specifically annoyed by his attitude that seems to suggest that people who are better in the tournament shouldn't get better prizes. Thats just...how tournaments work. And called people names like "playmore mcspikington" or whatever just shows that he's not good at the game and needs an outlet for his anger and jealousy towards people who are.
