White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

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Will read what I have missed tomorrow probably; it's late and I'm tired.

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does anyone else have this nagging feeling that regfan is scum right now whos doing jack shit cus nobody suspect him atm?

As opposed to everyone who suspected him D1 and D2?

Why are you concerned about my Ika-scumread anyway?

Because I don't see how elk being lynchbait = Zach and ika must be scum.

i want to lynch this cus i dont trust the 2 competing wagons given how the others haev been

You're town reading Anen and Ank?

so far my lynch pool is currently compiled of CES/regfan

This is classic scum. FOS buddy (CES) vote town (Regfan)

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does anyone else have this nagging feeling that regfan is scum right now whos doing jack shit cus nobody suspect him atm?

On the subject of Regfan.

Regfan, Sotty is curious about what your team's preferred games were.

This was asked for a reason. I don't think Regfan ever responded to it. Whether he missed it or pretended it didn't exist... who knows?

Anen thinking myself and ika are scum together is nothing short of comical.

His town read on CES makes no sense either.

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Zach, why is CES town?

so far my lynch pool is currently compiled of CES/regfan
i would do BBT for lolz but anyone else atm i have no intrest in

I wonder who's the buddy then.

Who do you think?

This is classic scum. FOS buddy (CES) vote town (Regfan)

yet you were calling the scum team me/ces/regfan?

so what is it BBT?

@annen: im can continue our little funsie later im one break and its my birthday so im gonna have fun.

maybe if your lucky i will come back drunk

Oh dear. You're very obviously not reading. Then again, I guess you don't need to whilst you're able to coast and nobody pays you any attention.

VOTE: ika

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Elk, can you explain Anen town read?

I'm struggling to swallow the fact you don't have a read on Anti or Regfan either.

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Yeah, I mean, do I like your wagon composition right now? No.

Do I want you lynched? Yes. Very badly.

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Not policy ika, not even close.

I have explained why I think you're scum.

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It doesn't give me pause because I really am convinced you're scum.

There is another reason and I'll share when the time is right.

PEdit - Elk, can you quote some posts from Anti and Reg that make you think they might be scum?

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Can we not do meta.

How about you provide reasoning based on this game for why ika isn't scum?

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Also Elk, can you expand on what you don't like about the post you quoted from Anti.

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How about, for arguments sake, you provide reasons for ika being town in this game (other than 'he posts a lot')

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If you can show me ika is town this game, not based on meta, I'll join the Anen wagon because it's town as fuck.

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Anti, you disappoint me.

I have stated multiple times why I think ika is scum.

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Well this game just came to life again.

1623 - Anti, ISO me for why I have been saying ika is scum. I'm not going through the effort of finding it when there is no chance you will join me in voting him. If you want me to vote Anen, show me ika is town. I also have something else a little further on in this post; I'm quite excited about it.

1624 - It has a little to do with ika's productivity. Also to do with a few other things; see if you can find them!

This is gold;

I don't like this vote.
Something is not right here and I don't know what it is.
UNVOTE:

and exactly what I was hoping for when I voted ika. I thought ika was being bussed and I just couldn't see a situation where both Anen and elk were town.

I don't see scum bussing toDay. They don't need to, they're in a good position. As it happens, as soon as the ika wagon actually starts to take off, Anen gets off it in a flash with really weak reasoning.

I think it's Anen/CES/ika.

VOTE: Anen

1629 - ika, please explain your Anen town read.

1630 - How did I remove blame? a) you're not flipping town and b) you think 2 and a half days worth of pressuring you would be forgotten because of...what exactly?

1637 - How does you (Anen) being wrong on ika make me scum? That doesn't make sense.

1) LOLOLOLOLOL - you've 'rechecked' the meta. Are you actually saying this right now? The interaction is now 'entirely' different. Please.
2) My interactions with you are not the same? Can you elaborate on this instead of 'gut' because that's bullshit.
3) You're right, everyone clearly wants to lynch CES. It would have been just fantastic if CES was the lynch; I'll happily settle for you though.
4) Yeah, I haven't pushed ika at all, you're right. I have no business being on that wagon. Well, no business other than catching scum.

1638 - CES, how does Reg not dying point to one of Reg/myself being scum?

It's also funny that you seem to be town reading Anen now. You looked like you had all but voted him earlier in the game (without actually doing so) and now you think he is town? That's just magical.

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But I'm leaning towards BBT-elk-Ank right now.

This hurts my eyes. My eyes are bleeding after reading that shit.

it's reg/ces/anen

Anti, please, fucking please, look at ika's play this game and not base your read on meta.

1674 - CES, I'm confused. What's your read on Anen?

You seem pretty set on Elk/Ank being scum. Can you elaborate on your reasoning? If you have done so and I've missed it, link me to it.

Independent reads would be great. Not a big fan of reads that contain a whole lot of 'ifs' and 'buts'.

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Sweet, you gonna hammer Anen then?

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Looks like you'll have time.

Your buddy disappeared instead of being a man and hammering you.

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WHUT?
You voted for Ika so as to see what happens? Not because you've been... scumreading him all the time? That's pigeon poop.
Aaaaaaaaand, obviously, you just ended up on the major wagon instantly. And of course, it's not OMGUS. Had I done the same, THAT would have been OMGUS, wouldn't it?

Remember when I said this Anen;

It doesn't give me pause because I really am convinced you're scum.

There is another reason and I'll share when the time is right.

Good times.

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VOTE: ika

That hammer.

Wagon test was great.

We should lynch ika now.

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I don't need to vote anyone after I get you lynched. The game will be over and town will have won.

I could vote CES, I'm much more confident in you being scum after Yesterday's antics though.

I don't know. I'll ask her.

I'm pretty good. You can try to discredit me all you like but I've known you were scum since late D1.

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Ika and BBT are more likely town with Aneninen's scumflip, and CES is more likely town because of Zach's townflip.

Since Antihero's just straight up town, that leaves Regfan + Theelkspeaks.

Ika's hammer was straight up frustration with the situation he found himself in. Note the difference between his D1 hammer and his hammer on Anen.

Why the fuck would he hammer a town read when he thinks it would take us into LyLo? It makes no sense.

I feel like I'm on crazy pills right now.

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I realise I'm being egotistical and I don't care.

I want to show everyone I am right on Ika, if I am somehow wrong, we lynch CES tomorrow.

I want ika lynched.

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But your wrong? Like after you see im town are you going to admit you cant read people lke me anymore and that maybe meta isnt jsut some shit?

No, I will never say meta is useful. It's too manipulative and subjective.

What I will say is, if I'm wrong about you this game I'll probably just avoid playing with you because a) if this is your town game it's ridiculously anti-town and b) I obviously can't read you for shit.

That doesn't matter though. Because you're flipping scum.

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here lets do an entertainign thing then: why not just lynch my scum buddy (CES) and end the game ike that? wouldnt that be easier?

honestly how your acting towards me right now seems like you think im town and you jsut want me gone. you know it wont happen though

You're missing the point.

I want the satisfaction of your lynch.

@Anti - I'll wait. If the rest of town still don't want to lynch ika, I'll vote CES.

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Elk, your thoughts on ika?

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I'm pretty surprised that Anen ended up being scum - well done though!

So many people want to lynch CES that it worries me, in a situation where only one more correct lynch wins the game for town, I'd almost expect more resistance to the CES lynch from the scum, but maybe they just haven't posted yet.

This level of paranoia seems...unwarranted?

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Hey Elk.

What's your reads on every player?

Thoughts on ika?

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I'm sure if that was the case Regfan would have been killed a long time ago.

I would bank that the only reason Reg is alive is because he has been solidly town reading both you and ika all game long and doesn't reconsider his position at all.

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That was for CES.

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Who is the stronger player between the two?

Who would be considered more of a threat?

It's so very strange that you don't find it weird Reg is still alive on D4 (you know, given his reputation and all)

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>the amount he dragged his feet on anen

Not sure if serious...

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It's not about activity. Elk's deadline behaviour was purely some vague talk of ISOs; BBT's deadline behaviour is this lame-as-fuck interaction (1353-1357) with elk and arguing dumb stuff with Tammy - not the behaviour of someone who wants to get me lynched.

Haha.

You're right. I didn't push you at all. I probably should have been on your wagon at that point as well...oh wait...

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Vote him then.

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That's why my scum team kept the two of you alive instead, I guess. We had too much influence so we shot people who townread us.

Or you shot people who you town read to keep your lynch pool as wide as possible?

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If the support was there, you would have been lynched.

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Anti, please look at ika hammer.

Just fucking look at it. Look at the differences in his two hammers.

Look at Anen jumping off the ika wagon when it becomes joint lead wagon.

I want you to completely disregard your ika meta if I'm shown to be right this game.

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(anen really likes to bus when it doesn't matter)

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He looks like he is frustrated that he has to hammer his buddy.

Why would he hammer a town read heading into LyLo? WHY?

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1807 - ika, this is exactly why if you are actually town I will avoid playing with you. Your play-style is so anti-town it's borderline playing against your win-con. There is no way you are town this game and I feel like I have done enough to crush your meta so that you won't be able rely on it again.

You'll hammer both myself and CES? You actually think myself and CES are both scum? How can people not see that ika is scum?

Sure, I'll let you hammer CES.

VOTE: CES

1810 - That hammer is a town tell? I must live on a different planet.

Town also don't hammer their town reads heading into LyLo either.

I don't know how you're seeing a possible CES/Elk team either. There would be no reason for CES to come out and bus his buddy immediately. I am, however, glad that you've got the sense to start reevaluating your reads.

1811 - Tbh, I'm past the point of caring. I feel I have sufficiently crushed your meta so when you flip scum after we lynch CES I'll get some satisfaction from that (and the fact that, hopefully, you'll never be able to rely on this type of play again). If you're town, I'll console myself with the fact that you're really bad at this game.

1812 - This association is awful. Can you just restate why you think I'm scum again?

You're acting like my reads on you and ika have just materialized toDay to try and support your theory that you're trying to push. Like, I'm scum reading you and ika just to avoid elk being lynched. You see how silly you look proposing this, right?

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I'm clearly referring to your choice to push ika today. Although I don't think it is at all accidental that you've got these tunnely reads on me and ika; that was always going to give you the option of not going after your scum buddies.

You're right.

It's not like I've lynched scum this game... (the only lynch I've been on I might add)

I see that 'static reads' has changed to 'tunnely'. Is that an attempt to discredit my reads further after you realised that saying reads are static is a scum tell was pretty bad?

You have no comment on Ika thinking we're a scum team? Like, no comment on that ridiculous statement at all?

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You had no interest in that wagon until it had become very obvious that Anen was getting lynched. This is classic scum trying to claim credit for a scum lynch he played little part in.

It was far from obvious that Anen was getting lynched. You realise that I left the joint leading wagon (Ika) to vote Anen, right? Like, you saw that happen.

I had absolutely no reason whatsoever to bus there if I was scum.

I'm calling them tunnely because that's what relevant; you've put yourself in a position where you can outright refuse to vote for your scum buddy because you're so "convinced" that me and ika are scum and where you don't even have to engage the arguments for your scum buddy being scum.

Can you explain the difference between static and tunnely for me?

I wouldn't be in this position if people had listened to me earlier in the game. We'd have already won by now.

I'd rather focus on what scum is doing.

Of course. How convenient.

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I mean, you might have a point if I'd sat here and been like 'Kia and CES are scum' whilst providing no reasons whatsoever.

But we both know that's not the case. I've tried pretty fucking hard to get either of you lynched.

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EBWOP: Ika. Not Kia.

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Ika, your meta is finished after this game.

People need to see you flip first.

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Reg, why are you voting elk is you think it's elk/CES.

Especially given your vote puts CES to L-1 and then Ika 'has to hammer.'

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@BBT/Ika, p sure you're both town so stop fucking spamming with useless shit.

but its fun to goad BBT into stupidity


but on seriosu note: you think its CES/elk?

anti: what is your/tth take on scum partner?

ank: whats your take on everything in general

BBT: wheres titus VCA i already am most likely going to take it for not much but i want to see it anyway

You see, you keep making posts like this that let me know you know I'm town.

I could only be 'stupid' if I am town. If I'm scum, then stupidity doesn't apply does it? You do little things like this throughout the game that tell me you know I'm town.

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If you think our interaction is town, why are you willing to lynch me?

You make zero sense. Like, literally, everything you say blows my fucking mind.

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Can you explain why you think I'm town please?

Or is it purely your team mates reads?

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Clearly.

Link me to it?

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Aneninen
Ankamius
Cogito Ergo Sum
ika
Zachrulez
Antihero

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BlueBloodedToffee
Regfan
theelkspeaks

a not random list of my current gamestate stance (town reads are not in any order)

You think I am scum here.

I see nothing after this post that suggests you're town reading me.

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Ika, you're not a policy lynch to me. I don't know why you even think this.

You're scum. And pretty fucking obviously so.

I didn't see anything in your ISO after that post where you're town reading me.

PEdit - Not interested in town cases. But if you really want to know, he thinks you're scum. He must be town.

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easy you continue to ask me questions which implies either:

A) you have a withold on me and think im town
B) your doign you typical scum tactic of ask and discredit

like you continuing to ask me questions while calling me scum basicly shows 2 diffrent standpoints

You're back to me being scum now? I can't keep up.

Come on, Regfan. Look at how BBT pushed ika Today, talking about "crushing his meta" to try and spin the fact that ika's play fits his town play into something in favour of an ikalynch. Look at how he's claiming credit for voting Aneninen. And consider on how little his supertunnely scum read on me is based. Look at the BBT-elk interactions. Antihero's point about Aneninen's liking to bus. Why can't you see that BBT makes a lot of sense as scum here?

His meta is crushed when the game is over. I thought it was pretty obvious that's what I was referring to.

My scum read of you has been very well explained and in detail. You can keep trying to discredit it by pretending I don't have a case but that doesn't make it true.

Anen was bussing Ika until it looked like Ika would be lynched. Then he jumped off. That was what pointed to Anen being scum for me. It's another reason that Ika is scum.

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You're consistently twisting things to fit the narrative you're trying to push CES.

It's scummy as fuck.

Why was Anen not bussing Ika? If you're using Anti's comment as reasoning for why I'm scum, why does this not apply to Ika?

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Except for I'm not.

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Wrong.

My case for you being scum has absolutely nothing to do with your meta. It's funny that both you and CES are now pushing this as a reason for me being scum. It makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm scum reading you and CES and it makes no sense for me to vote CES? Are you for real right now?

Now my entire read,

my entire read

, on you is based on something that a) I haven't said and b) something that's only just became an issue right now and I've been scum reading you since late D1. Wow. This is beyond ridiculous.

You kill people you're town reading to keep your lynch pool as wide as possible.

Why the fuck would I work with someone I think is scum?

This conversation is just getting stupid now. You're making no sense at all.

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I'm fucking done with this conversation.

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Yes, you think my vote for Aeronaut was bad. It's not nothing but doesn't come close to justifying the way you've been tunneling me.

This most certainly is not my only reason for thinking you're scum.

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Here you go;

Spoiler: Why CES is scum

CES, can you walk me through your Aero scum read late D1?

I don't see much in your ISO. What I do see is you pushing CD and Ank pretty much exclusively and then jumping on the Aero wagon to 'end the Day.'

Also, I'm pretty happy to lynch Psyche if anyone is interested in that. Done the exact same as ika the whole game so far; nothing.

But I was suspicious of Aero well before I became suspicious of Ank. I wanted to keep Day 1 going, keeping Regfan and' marble alive, until I felt there was a clear path to victory and the Anksuspicion made me feel that there was.

Anti, I'll respond to your post when I get home from the meet on Friday and I'm no longer limited to this ipad.

I don't think you were suspicious of Aero before Ank.

In 145, you mention that you think CD's buddies are in Ank/elk/ika. I don't see any mention of Aero before this post.

Your first mention of Aero is in 217 and that's regarding Regfan's case on Aero in which you reply with "

I don't think it's that convincing at this stage

". I'm not sure that comment is strong enough to state this is where your scum read on Aero began either as you seem to agree with Regfan whilst dismissing it at the same time.

428 seems to be where your scum read on Aero started. After this, you start pushing CD and Ank...and then vote Aero. It doesn't make sense and the vote looks pretty opportunistic.

It justifies your jump onto the Aero wagon if you scum read him for longer than what you actually did.

As I said, you spent the majority of D1 focusing on Ank/CD. Then all of a sudden some Aero suspicion came out and you hopped on the wagon 4 or so pages later with not much more coming from you inbetween that.

I don't need to make up anything to justify my jump onto the Aerowagon because there was a genuinely solid case on him.

A case which you never really engaged with.

Context is key. In Day 1 I spend the majority of my time trying to work together with Regfan and 'marble to find three good suspects. That context alone should make it obvious that I thought Aeronaut was a genuine suspect long before I voted him. It also applies to the silly point Antihero made about me asking Regfan why he had a town read on tth.

No.

Just because you were trying to work with other people that doesn't absolve your responsibility of joining the Aero wagon. It also doesn't mean you can justify it by saying 'Regfan and Llamarble thought Aero was scum and they had a good case so I went along with it'.

I showed you in your ISO that it was not obvious that you suspected Aero.

Ika, state why I'm scum.

Zach, don't be stupid. Once again, I tried my best to lynch who I thought was scum and, once again, nobody listened.

Just so I can gloat post game I'm calling the scum team now.

Ika/CES/Regfan.

CD was clearly a counter-wagon to stop CES from being lynched.

But whatever. I'll sit here while you guys mislynch town again and then maybe, once we're in LyLo, somebody will listen to me.

1440 - I would guess Tammy was killed to make me look bad. I mean, outside of someone being widely town-read, the next best reason for scum to kill someone is to try and set someone else up. That fits me perfectly right? Scum!BBT would kill Tammy for sure.

I don't usually speculate on NK's but your question (to everyone else) was very subtly trying to set me up.

Also, and this one is very easy, Reg is still alive because he's scum. Or his reads are awful; prob scum though.

1441 - CES, why doesn't my sustained suspicion on ika reflect well on me? Are you saying I should not lynch/push/vote someone I think is scum just because nobody agrees with me? Or is it because he is your buddy and you don't want me pushing that line of thought?

Also, can you state the difference in my pursuit of ika as opposed to say, your pursuit of CD? I mean, you thought he was scum throughout D1 and D2 yet he flipped town, this doesn't reflect badly on you though, right?

Also, I disagree that a lot has happened. What has happened that should effect my reads on you and ika? Tell me.

You're explanation for your read progression on Aero was bullshit. I didn't buy it, I still don't buy it. The problem is, everyone else has and that's frustrating. It's also pretty clear now that CD was a counter-wagon to you.

I've had both my scum reads for some time, I have stated reasons why each are scum and there is nothing more I can do. I don't see anything to change my mind, only further reasons for why you're scum.

You have been posting and pushing less since your vote on me (~2 posts per page after vs. ~4 posts per page before). If you think you've caught scum in me, then that's a weird pattern.

Is this shit actually serious? Do you know how frustrating it is to truly believe you have found scum and have nobody fucking listen? Like, my biggest town reads are generally not on the same wave length as me and I'm just getting pissed off with it.

Yeah, I'm becoming demotivated to play this fucking game. So what?

Mostly because I think he's town and your unwavering suspicion in the face of everything.

I see. So you're suspicious of me because I'm scum reading someone you're town reading. That seems kind of dumb.

I think it does reflect badly on me but obviously to what degree it does is fairly subjective. Although you also agreed that Cheery Dog didn't look town.

Correct, but I didn't push him as he was nowhere near the scummiest person in the game. I mean, I'm not even saying you're scum because CD flipped town, I'm saying if you're town you should be able to see how what your saying makes no sense with relation to my reads on ika/you because of your own reads.

What about Ank unvoting me with the deadline nearing or elk and Anen's deadline no-show? I think plenty of things have happened that look more suspicious than me having an explanation that you don't fully buy.

How is a deadline no show alignment indicative? Sometimes, life gets in the way of a game of mafia. Is Ank's unvote supposed to somehow be alignment indicative? If so, how?

What are those further reasons?

CD being a counter-wagon to you. Clearly scum driven. Ika's play hasn't improved one iota and he continues to ask empty questions without any follow up. His subtle attempt at fingering me for the NK was scummy as fuck as well.

I looked like a plausible lynch for most of that time; you could've tried convincing theelkspeaks and Aneninen (they both even ended up on ika come deadline).

I did say I wanted to wait for Anen to catch up before ending the day. Also, I keep forgetting elk is in this game, so yeah, I guess I could have done that. I still think I tried pushing you pretty hard.

VOTE: Ankamius
Look at the mod iso if you don't see why, just glanced through it and holy jeez.

Elk, can you explain this vote further?

Hey CES, let's talk about static reads.

In VC 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 1.05...all the way through to VC 1.20 your vote sits on Cheery Dog. Doesn't move once.

What happens after that? That's right, your sudden jump onto the Aero wagon with no read progression at all (oh wait, that's right, it happened outside of the thread)

Bullshit.

CES needs lynching. The fact he continued this trend of scum-reading CD for most (all?) of D2 and finally lynched him and then has the cheek to call my reads static is downright ridiculous.

I haven't looked at VCs from D2 yet but there were a few things I noted from D1's VCs that I'll bring up soon.

So your further reason for me being scum is mostly that I'm scum and that Regfan (who is suspicious because he could be my partner) voted CD. And Cheery Dog wasn't a leading wagon at any point except the end Yesterday.

You're acting like I need more reasons to scum read you. I have reasons and I have stated them.

You're right, I thought CD was a leading wagon for a lot longer than what he was.

VC 2.16 is when CD wagon begins to pick up. And he did stay as a leading wagon for the next 12 pages (300 or so posts), so yeah, I would still argue that I doubt both leading wagons over a 12 page period and eventual lynch were on town.

After looking over the VCs I'm going to take back my bolded scum team to avoid looking silly. All of Reg/ika/CES were on both lynches and that feels too aggressive for scum. With how late D2 played out, I would imagine they were more spread out. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong on Reg because that is based on associations which was stupid of me to do in the first place.

I need to sort out elk/Ank/Anen. Ank seems town to me and elk looks the scummiest. I need to interact with Anen to get a feel for him, I can usually sniff him out pretty well if he's scum. It's a little difficult though with this wall off going on.

Anen & Elk - Can you both state your reads please?

VC 2.15;

Vote Count 2.15
Cogito Ergo Sum (4) - Ankamius, Antihero, BlueBloodedToffee,

Cheery Dog

Aneninen (2) - Zachrulez, Regfan
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - ika

Cheery Dog

(1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
ika (1) - theelkspeaks

Not Voting (2) - Aneninen,

Tammy

If I'm right on Ank being town, this is a pretty townie wagon on CES. It also explains why the votes/wagons were dragging, scum are spread out among the other wagons trying to decide what to do.

It's also important to note that ika votes for CES in 2.05 and stays on him until 2.11. When CES' wagon becomes a four person wagon and he looks in real danger of being lynched, ika jumps off and goes back to sitting on me for the majority of the Day.

VC 2.24 was an interesting one;

Vote Count 2.24
Cogito Ergo Sum (4) - Ankamius, Antihero, BlueBloodedToffee,

Cheery Dog

Cheery Dog

(3) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Zachrulez, Regfan
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - ika
ika (2) - theelkspeaks, Aneninen

Not Voting (1) -

Tammy

These two wagons look pretty town, right? Maybe Ank is scum on CES (I doubt it) and CES if for sure scum on CD, but the rest are town. And this is where the CD wagon really picks up.

VC 2.25 and CD is the leading wagon;

Vote Count 2.25

Cheery Dog

(5) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Zachrulez, Regfan,

Tammy

, ika
Cogito Ergo Sum (4) - Ankamius, Antihero, BlueBloodedToffee,

Cheery Dog

ika (2) - theelkspeaks, Aneninen

Not Voting (0)

Tammy jumps on and then ika (ika's voting this game has been atrocious. It's so opportunistic). Now, the CD wagon doesn't look so town anymore. The wagons ends with Anti hammering;

Vote Count 2.29

Cheery Dog

(6) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Zachrulez, Regfan,

Tammy

, ika, Antihero
Cogito Ergo Sum (2) - BlueBloodedToffee,

Cheery Dog

ika (2) - theelkspeaks, Aneninen

Not Voting (1) - Ankamius

Look at that CD wagon. Think; where are the scum? Zach is town, Anti is town, Tammy has flipped, Reg is most likely town; that leaves ika/CES (Hint; they're both scum.)

CES, I don't need to convince you that you're scum. I need everyone else to see it, I feel like at this point it should be pretty fucking obvious, but whatever, I'll wait.

You didn't claim it was 'definitely' scummy, haha. Now starts the backtracking.

Can we lynch this please?

What do you think this conversation was about? Me convincing you Ank is scum? I'm trying to sort out your alignment.

Ank, I still want your reads specifically.

You very clearly assigned scum points to Ank for the unvote and I don't see how that works; so yeah, that's what I assumed the conversation was about.

Have at it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

lol

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I just gave you a tonne of reasons for why I think you're scum and instead of responding you chose to try and discredit everything I said instead.

Are you saying ika/elk makes sense as a team?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Elk, you should absolutely, 100% vote CES.

I'll give you a cookie.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Then we can watch ika refrain from hammering and we win the game.

Easy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ank's absence at a pretty vital point of the game is somewhat concerning.

CES, can you elaborate on your Ika scum read?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can you explain your scum read on me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

A bunch of statements with no analysis.

Show me.

Explain the scum motivation behind those actions.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I do have a question - show me the scum motivation behind those baseless accusations you just made.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I love how you and CES are ignoring every single thing the other person says.

Where the fuck is Ank?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

We used 10 tokens each to roll scum.

How can you accuse me of tunneling and looking for new lynches in the same post.

MFW.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

but yes i can accuse you of that cus your looking at lynches. I mean lets loom at the setup itself: if CES or I am scum and are lynched, the gaem is over yes?

so if your so convinced about CES/me or whatever. DOes it really matter about anybody else?

Nope, which is why I am focused on lynching one of you two.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

but seriosuly BBt what did you guies do with tokens?

wheres ttius VCA?

I just told you.

Titus did her VCA. I don't agree with her analysis and am therefore not sharing it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1891 - Don't be dumb, Anti.

1892 - Ank, you don't need to find pairings. One more scum lynch and the game is won.

1895 - Nothing specific. Just your presence and, you know, posts. Though, actually, I would love a CES vote.

1896 - How is it anti-town?

I don't get the sudden elk/BBT thing? Why is this a thing now?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And if elk is town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh. That's kind of weird?

Who do you actually think is scum then?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Umm, let's not do that.

We could lynch you?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It obviously cannot be elk/BBT.

No, it isn't. I don't want to provide analysis I don't agree with.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why would I want to provide something I don't think is of high quality? It's shit VCA and it's not very detailed.

Ank, who is scum while you're here?

PEdit - I didn't say we were unaligned. Nice try.

I'm town and therefore a scum team of elk/BBT is impossible.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And you're implying that you know I'm fucking town again. Why would we be disagreeing if I was scum?

If she disagreed with my scum read why would I mention she did the VCA at all?

I'd just say she hasn't done it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Forget teams. Nobody gives a fuck about teams any more.

Independent scum reads.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You imply it by assuming that Titus disagrees with my reads. She would not disagree if I was scum, would she?

Her VCA states that you/CES are scum. There isn't actually a whole lot of VCA in her post though. She thinks that you have found a way around her meta tell and she thinks if she is wrong on one of you then it's probably elk.

We can do Anen/???, sure.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yes, you do.

Again, you're speaking as if I'm town here. When asking me to talk to Titus, why would you bother if you thought I was scum? Titus' comments wouldn't mean shit.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Elk is town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anti. vote CES.

Stop playing badly.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

rebuttal: elk's recent play is inexcusably fucking awful. we're seeing the SAME IKA PUSH FOR THE SECOND DAY IN A ROW FROM THE SAME PEOPLE

two+two equals four.

Because ika is fucking scum and meta is fucking up your ability to see that.

That hammer from CES. My fucking word. So hesitant to vote Yesterday when Anen/ika were the choices, has no problem hammering out of the blue here though. Where is the hesitancy now?

Fuck this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, Ank should be made to explain that vote tomorrow.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Okay.

I think it's BBT-Ank. Purely from a scumhunting perspective, I'd probably support an Ank-lynch most out of those two (it's clearly not BBT-ika; Regfan does seem a bit protective of BBT but I don't even think it's more likely than Ank-ika and lynching Ank also covers Ank-Regfan). But that probably relies on a potential BBTtown to consider Ank-ika seriously, which is probably not realistic. So, if I'd vote right now, which I won't, because it's unquestionably better to take our time and agree on a lynch before placing any votes, I would vote BBT.

Lololoolololol

You're just gonna try and link me with just about anyone? It's weak. This is absolutely insane.

What are your reasons for me being scum now? Given at least half your case just got smashed with elk flipping town.

I have played the perfect game; take note of that. Perfect. I haven't been on one fucking mislynch. Yeah OK, I wasn't necessarily town reading some of the people who got lynched but I had the sense to see there were much better lynches available.

I'm ready to vote for CES and finally win this fucking game. We could have done this a long time ago.

Ank, can you explain your elk vote yesterday please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What are your thoughts on the game now?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Explain both reads?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, explaining why you think CES is town would be great.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also also, why do you suppose Anti was killed?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can you elaborate on the tone change?

PEdit - ika seems obviously town to everyone...why wasn't he killed?

Do you think Anti was likely to vote CES once he saw I could not be scum with elk?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anti was obviously going to go back to CES after he realized I'm not scum.

Hey ika, given you're so widely town read, why do you suppose you're still alive?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because voting in LyLo out the gate is dumb as fuck?

Because I'd be fucking pissed if I didn't at least try to work the game out in LyLo?

Because I don't want to vote CES and for something crazy like Reg and Ank to hammer?

Numerous reasons really.

How about before LyLo? Why do you suppose you wasn't killed earlier? What makes you think scum think you will fuck up LyLo? How could you fuck it up?

PEdit - LOL, yeah, elk had a lot of influence on this game didn't he...do you think ika has ever been in any real danger of being lynched? At all? This entire game? Do you think he would be a problem for scum?

I would imagine he is. You don't find it strange that Anti was killed?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can see the tone change in the last two posts, fair enough.

That's because in the first one I was pissed at Anti and the second one is a general statement.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I was fighting it as soon as Anti started being dumb.

I said that elk was town before Anti had even voted for him.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You think I matter?

One person is scum-reading someone who is town read by the majority and you think that's a reason for scum to keep him alive?

In what world does that make sense?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1) fair but it goes back to the point of you are 100% convinced of it by your stance so why hesitate?
2) well if you want to work it out how about this:
i will not lynch: XXX
i will lynch: YYY

now fill out the chart and show us your stance

3) anks town so the fact your doing that is hilarious
4) ???
5) easy: tammy and zach are much better players then me and are major threats to scums. they are also very easy to be town and transparent.
6) my play, oh come on now BBT even you should know this from robbery at casino
7) i fuck it up by fucking voer scums
8) not really, he was vocal and not going to be lynched.

1) If I lost this game by being so egotistical so as to vote without talking to anyone and losing a game I have put almost two months into, I would prob just quit mafia for a while. This game is pretty important and I don't want to let my team down.

2) I think you could fill in that chart for me. It's not difficult.

3) I said something 'crazy' as in 'very, very unlikely.' I in no way impied Ank was scum.

6/7 I don't see how you fucking over the scum is fucking the game up.

8) Agreed, Anti was very unlikely to be lynched. He was also very likely to be pushing a CES wagon toDay.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I've just fucking told you why Anti was killed; he was very likely to be pushing a CES wagon toDay. Holy shit.

I said you could fill it in for me because my answers are obvious.

Not lynching; Ank/Reg

Will lynch; ika/CES.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Now you ika, who do you think is scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, I'm not voting yet.

I want to speak to Ank more and I want Reg to post.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Who is scum ika?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I didn't even see that post.

I don't think anyone was scum reading Anti.

PEdit - I didn't see it. Quote it?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because ika has been obv town to almost everyone all game?

Like, since when does an obvtown majority read live for so long?

You're forgetting the additional bonus for why Anti was killed.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ank, you only seem to be factoring in Yesterday's actions in your reads (especially the reasoning you gave for the Reg/BBT scum team)

You don't think anything I have said for CES!Scum this game holds any weight?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT, whats the point of the nk dicussion? I see no gain from this atm.

An if you are going to argue im widly town read vs univeral thats logical fallcy.

If you want to argue it over tammy/zach, thats easy, they were also widly (if not univeral) town read and are argubly much better players then me.

Because it's fucking obvious why Anti was killed and it's fucking obvious why you've managed to survive all game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vote Count 3.10

Aneninen (3) - Ankamius, Antihero, Zachrulez
ika (3) - Aneninen, theelkspeaks, BlueBloodedToffee
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - ika

Not Voting (2) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Regfan

With 9 alive, it will take 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, May 11, 2015, at 12:00 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-05-11 12:00:00).

Vote Count 3.13

Aneninen (5) - Ankamius, Antihero, Zachrulez, BlueBloodedToffee, ika
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - Aneninen
ika (1) - theelkspeaks

Not Voting (2) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Regfan

With 9 alive, it will take 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, May 11, 2015, at 12:00 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-05-11 12:00:00).

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Aneninen liked pigeons very much, but apparently that was a scummy preference to have.

Aneninen,

mafia goon

, was lynched on Day 3!

Night 3 begins now. The deadline is Friday, May 8, 2015, at 12:00 AM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-05-08 00:00:00).

Ank, what do you make of CES refusing to choose between these two wagons for the whole of D3?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's even scummier nonsense than you claiming credit for the Anenlynch. My position on the ikawagon was perfectly clear and there was never any worry that it would actually go through; I saw no reason to rush the ikalynch.

BBT, are you genuinely claiming that you can't imagine a reason why scum would keep a town ika alive? There's a really obvious motive if you're town.

It's also silly to claim the Antiherokill points to me - if I were scum, I kill him the previous Night, just after he's spearheaded the Anenlynch; I certainly don't kill Zach, make a big deal about looking at the nightkills and then kill him.

It's not scummy to want credit for that. I want credit for how well I have played in this game when it's all over. I have played the perfect game so far.

Tell me CES, if I was scum with Anen; why would I leave the ika wagon to join the Anen wagon? The ika wagon I had been pushing for no less than 2 game days. It makes no sense for me to bus in that situation, at all. All I had to do, as scum, was sit on ika.

You can say whatever you like, but you didn't vote. And your vote being missing when those were the two leading wagons is by far and away the most important piece of information that needs to be considered.

Yes, I cannot imagine why scum would keep an almost universally town read person alive. It makes no sense at all. Care to explain that one for me?

No, you kill him when he is longer of use to you. He was no doubt coming for you toDay; no doubt at all. Tell me, if I'm scum, why the fuck do I kill Anti when I know he will join me in lynching you?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Tunneling townies and failing to get them lynched is not exactly a novel scum technique.

No CES, if I was tunneling I couldn't have lynched scum now, could I?

I feel like I have provided a pretty good case for you being scum. If I think I have caught scum, you can bet your ass I'm not letting that read go.

The Aneninenlynch was inevitable; I had pretty much pointed out this exact thing even before Aneninen unvoted ika; there was no downside to your move, it gave you a chance to score some brownie points and it allows you to engage in this pedantic scorekeeping where I was happy with the Anenlynch for most of the Day whilst you kept pushing townies and somehow you're making out that my behaviour is scum-motivated.

You can say this as much as you like; it doesn't make it true. Anen was not a sure lynch, not by a long shot. You say you were happy with the Anen lynch, your actions tell a different story though.

Don't act like I haven't explained how it makes you scum.

Scum literally just need a single wrong vote Today. If you were town and ika was town, scum would absolutely want to keep alive two impulsive townies that think the other is scum.

I didn't think of this. Fair point. I like to think a little better of myself then to insta-vote in LyLo though.

I think Yesterday would've gone much easier without Antihero pushing me-Regfan for most of the Day. Can you really say with a straight face that Antihero being alive Yesterday over Zach was beneficial to me? If I was scum, it was a perfect opportunity to get rid of Antihero without drawing suspicion.

You had no way of knowing Anti would be pushing that angle Yesterday. This point is worth even less when Anti then jumps on the elk/BBT train.

I think Anti being dead toDay is beneficial to you. Hugely so.

Because he was obviously town and probably most importantly, you had to kill someone. If you kill ika, then that raises the question of why scum didn't want the BBT-ika conflict. Everyone else has varying degrees of suspicion on them.

Who cares about suspicion? If I'm scum, I only need Anti's vote on you and then me and my buddy hammer you, right? So, again, why do I kill Anti as scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Of course it does.

In this set-up, I would argue scum would be extremely reluctant to bus.

You showed signs of this when ika/Anen were the leading wagons. Despite 'scum reading' Anen.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I asked Titus to elaborate on her VCA and she has done so.

I'm now happy to share it.

Big post incoming.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Titus thinks we should be looking for partners, she points me in the direction of post 66.

Vote Count 1.02

ika (4) - Aeronaut, Cheery Dog, Llamarble, BlueBloodedToffee
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - Psyche
Cheery Dog (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
Llamarble (1) - Zachrulez
Oversoul (1) - theelkspeaks
theelkspeaks (1) - Regfan
Zachrulez (1) - Oversoul

Not Voting (3) - Ankamius, ika, TellTaleHeart

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

An all-town wagon on ika. She points to all of these people being dead except for me. She points to Anen voting for me for ika.

She also points to ika not voting and states that's his MO. He doesn't show up until you make him show up; she says when ika is scum he must be forced to play pro-town and he hasn't had to do that this game.

She then points to 798.

Vote Count 2.05

Cogito Ergo Sum (4) - Tammy, Ankamius, ika, Antihero
Ankamius (2) - Zachrulez, Cogito Ergo Sum
ika (2) - BlueBloodedToffee, theelkspeaks
Cheery Dog (1) - Regfan
Regfan (1) - Cheery Dog

Not Voting (1) - Psyche

In this VC, she says CES and Ank were trading blows. ika is bussing and Tammy and Anti are town.ika has been dealing with me tunneling him all game so it makes sense if ika is the scum bussing here if the CES wagon has legs. They can't lose two scum, so ika must be on the CES lynch to try and dispel my suspicions of him. A hard defence is too much of a risk for ika; she thinks ika thinks so poorly of her VCA that he thinks an obvious bus vote can fool her.

Skip to VC 2.13 (976).

Vote Count 2.13

Cogito Ergo Sum (3) - Ankamius, Antihero, BlueBloodedToffee
Psyche (2) - Zachrulez, Regfan
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - ika
Cheery Dog (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
ika (1) - theelkspeaks
Regfan (1) - Cheery Dog

Not Voting (2) - Psyche, Tammy

ika takes his vote off of CES when I join the wagon and makes a big fuss over me being scum going after CES. ika's posting is reactionary because he is trying to protect CES. We look at elk voting ika, what do you know, he's mislynched.

We see the foundation of Anen suspicion. Zach and Reg are on way before the Anen wagon becomes popular, we also see the beginning of CES' CD push to distract from his all town wagon.

She fast forwards a few VC's to I believe 1027.

Vote Count 2.15

Cogito Ergo Sum (4) - Ankamius, Antihero, BlueBloodedToffee, Cheery Dog
Aneninen (2) - Zachrulez, Regfan
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - ika
Cheery Dog (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
ika (1) - theelkspeaks

Not Voting (2) - Aneninen, Tammy

Zach switches and Anen becomes paralyzed; he can't do anything with the wagons. If there were no scum on CD, he could jump on that wagon and try to save his buddy. Yet, if Anen switches, it becomes an obvious counter-wagon to CES. Instead, more lurking from Anen. Plus, immediately voting CD after he has just voted your partner is a red neon sign. Best to lay low because his wagon was disintegrating and Zach was voting town.

Skip to VC 2.20 (1156)

Vote Count 2.20

Cogito Ergo Sum (4) - Ankamius, Antihero, BlueBloodedToffee, Cheery Dog
Cheery Dog (3) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Zachrulez, Regfan
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - ika
ika (2) - theelkspeaks, Aneninen

Not Voting (1) - Tammy

Reg switches. Anen cannot stay here anymore. He can't get on with ika because two scum are on the wagon and that might derail the CD wagon by drawing too much attention to it. Anen needs to distance in a manner where ika is not likely to get lynched, voting ika here makes sense in that context. The slots have had little to no interaction yet ika is town reading Anen (but hammers him anyway)

VC 2.25 (1275)

Vote Count 2.25

Cheery Dog (5) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Zachrulez, Regfan, Tammy, ika
Cogito Ergo Sum (4) - Ankamius, Antihero, BlueBloodedToffee, Cheery Dog
ika (2) - theelkspeaks, Aneninen

Not Voting (0)

We get CD getting higher than CES. ika make sure to get on at the end. He's not going to bus at this point given the wagons are so close to lynch yet he has to move to get a lynch off at all. If ika sits off the wagon, he's going to look like he is protecting one of them. Doubly so given his penchant for hammer. Anti then hammers.

Day 3

1606

Vote Count 3.10

Aneninen (3) - Ankamius, Antihero, Zachrulez
ika (3) - Aneninen, theelkspeaks, BlueBloodedToffee
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - ika

Not Voting (2) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Regfan

This VC tells the story of D3. Scum couldn't get a wagon on town without it looking obvious. CES voting anyone would practically townfirm them given the suspicion he was under. Enter ika's inexplicable town read on Anen despite Anen tunneling him for the past few days. Anen has to continue his bus from yesterday. The rest of the names are squarely town.

1707

Vote Count 3.12

Aneninen (3) - Ankamius, Antihero, Zachrulez
BlueBloodedToffee (2) - ika, Aneninen
ika (2) - theelkspeaks, BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting (2) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Regfan

This VC is scums attempt to establish a counter wagon. Notice who is still not voting. CES and Reg. This looks like a desperate attempt to save Anen. Yet all 3 scum cannot be on the wagon that counters him. CES cannot bus. Reg's absence is a little worrying here but he was pushing Anen much earlier as a counter. Yet, CES is actively posting without voting. Reg has a couple of votes and indicates a willingness to vote Anen. I move onto Anen when he votes me and ika quick-hammers.

ika is professing a town read up and down on the slot. Yet he hammers Anen, why? They are buddies. The votes all serve to protect each other from harm. ika KNOWS if he doesn't hammer his town read that her town read on him evaporates. She has tunneled him to the ends of the earth for not hammering buddies in the past despite a tendency to hammer everything with a pulse.

Day 4

1855

Vote Count 4.05

Cogito Ergo Sum (2) - Antihero, BlueBloodedToffee
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
ika (1) - theelkspeaks
theelkspeaks (1) - Regfan

Not Voting (2) - Ankamius, ika

This is how the day started. Yet, when the elk wagon comes from nowhere, CES hammers without hesitation. Why? Because Elk/BBT would be a disaster in LyLo for their scum team. If they kill Elk or BBT, it points heavily towards a CES/ika scum team. It's risky but ika got away with shitty hammers.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

She hadn't elaborated and I didn't understand some of the things she was saying.

There are also little things like the amount of weight she puts on the all-town wagon on ika. I disagreed with that because it was early game and didn't mean anything but she thinks there is something to it.

I did say she agreed with everything I thought, I just didn't like her reasoning/some of her thoughts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No response to Titus' VCA you so desperately wanted ika?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't like the position you're taking ika.

I also don't like how you're refusing to comment on anything.

Where the fuck are Ank and Reg?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

then vote me for it and either scum claim to me or find out your wrong and lose the damned game or kindly fuck off. i really dont care what you thinkn about my positioning and what im doing and i really dont care for people who care more about their ego then listening for once and actualy taking into consideration other factors

REGFAN: when you get in here tell us who you think the scum pair is

This post assumes I'm town.

Why won't you admit you're town reading me? (Know I'm town)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't get it.

You have two accounts on the same team?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

2032 - The fact you're even considering CES and myself as a scum team is ridiculous.

Reg lining up to vote me is scummy as fuck. Reasons for thinking I'm scum in your next post would be great.

Is that now every single person willing to vote me? I bet Anti wouldn't have been scum reading me...

Scum caught for the wrong reasons? What reasons are these? Like, nobody has a single, solid reason for me being scum. Not one.

I should be reaching out to you and Ank? Neither of you have fucking been here, it's been me talking to both scum on my own. Ank has recently started contributing and now so have you (one post doesn't quite cut it though).

Reg, do you have any comments on anything I have posted over the last few pages? Anything at all?

2038 - LOL, every single person scum reading me. Would love to know what Anti is thinking as he reads this shit.

Ank, I'm glad you're coming round to the fact that CES is scum. That makes me a little happier with the current situation. Though, I'm not entirely happy it's based on an associative alone.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your list was shockingly bad and mostly relied on elk being scum.

You wanna try that list again?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The kill heading into LyLo is usually the most informative; I'm not big on NKA in most other situations. For the most obvious reason as this is the most important stage of the game.

As scum I would also be aware of one vote potentially ending the game. That is in no way alignment indicative.

You wouldn't bus. You needed to stay out of the way, that is clear. The fact you scum read Anen for so long without committing to a vote is telling. The fact Anen town read you with weak reasoning is also telling.

Titus stopped town reading ika after he quick hammered Anen.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No one agrees with me because every single person is scum reading me. Just like nobody has agreed with me all game (which I knew would happen way back on D1 and is why I got so pissed at the start of the game)

I have provided many reasons for why you're scum. Please, stop acting like I haven't done so. It's ridiculous.

You're right though, I am prob conf biasing on you now and I honestly don't care. I know you're scum, I want you lynched.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

2060 - Haha, I can't be scum with Regfan because this is absolutely not how we would play this game. That's some of the weakest shit I have ever read.

I remember thinking it was you/Reg quite some time ago and I'm pretty sure people laughed at me/laughed it off like I was crazy.

I dismissed it because of how sure I was that ika was scum and all 3 of you being on the same wagons/lynches just didn't make sense to me at all.

Now though, we have flipped scum. And this changes everything because all 3 of you obviously cannot be scum together.

Am I really wrong about ika? Have I just held a grudge for way too long? Is ika walling a sign that he truly is town? (in case CES tries to somehow use this as a reason for scum reading me, it's a joke).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

An apt time to vote when it appears the tide is turning on you.

I'm ready to get serious.

VOTE: CES

[BlueBloodedToffee]

All you need to look at is the real important information. The information that has just been presented to us.

CES has just voted now; just as the idea of a CES/Reg scum team is being floated around.

He is trying to stop that from gaining any traction.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Already done that via wagon analysis and Anen's weird town read he formed on CES.

Also, CES' very early defence of Psyche when he was coming under pressure.

There are numerous interactions.

But, you know this already...right?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why is everyone acting like I have given 0 reason for why I think CES/Ika are scum? I have fucking pushed for a long time and provided ample reasoning. I feel I provided more than enough and not one single fucking person has considered what I said.

Oh no, BBT is reconsidering reads in LyLo. He must be scum!

Like, every single person is scum reading me...in LyLo. This is ridiculous, fuck this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Explain your scum read on me Reg because you've just plucked that from the fucking sky.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This is ridiculous.

I hope whoever is town is fucking embarrassed after my lynch.

Never seen anything like this before.

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I mean, it's still very likely a CES/ika team but Reg lining up to vote me is scummy as fuck and I can't believe no-one is paying attention to it.

ika, what did you want to say to back up your ridiculous statement of a CES/BBT scum team?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, ika positioning for hammer vote is scummy as fuck.

Trying to bully everyone into doing what he wants them to do.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Correct.

I'm waiting for his case on me. How else do you expect me to engage him?

I mean, if Reg and Ank (especially Reg) are town they have done a horrible job in LyLo. I feel like the game has come to a standstill and we're just waiting for me to be lynched which is bullshit.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It would be much easier if people paid attention to why I think CES is scum and just voted him. I don't even know if people have read my points on him; had no feedback at all.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm going to try and get to this game later today.

ika, still waiting for your CES/BBT scum team thoughts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Post(s) incoming.

Ank confirmed town.

Nice to know.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, CES is scum. I'm going to attempt to show you all why he is scum. I don't know who he is scum with though; I have thought ika is scum pretty much all game and I still think he has a chance of being scum. However, Reg's slow shift in his read of me fits with the gamestate and gameplan of scum keeping me alive for the mislynch in LyLo. So, I'm going through CES' ISO with the idea that he could be scum with ika or Reg, and tbh, I don't care who it is as long as CES is lynched today.

128 - CES' very early defence of the Psyche/Anen slot. This is telling given that Psyche was one of leading wagons at the time; it would be a disaster for scum to be lynched D1. Therefore, CES tries to use his relationship with Llamarble to get Llamarble off Psyche and onto CD.

145 - This is the first of many of CES' lynchpools that contain ALL TOWN (or very likely town if you believe that somehow myself/Ank make sense as a team). His scum reads are CD (conf town), Ank (conf town to me), elk (conf town) and ika (town if Reg is actually CES' buddy)

217 - The post where CES says that Reg's point on Aero doesn't hold much weight (note; at this point there is no wagon on Aero, not a single vote. CES shows no interest)

276 - Here begins the town read on Reg. This read is interesting for a couple of reasons; the pair of Reg and CES have town read each other ALL GAME.

ALL GAME

. They have

never

reconsidered these reads, they may have flirted with the idea that they could be scum but they never commit to it/investigate it. This is pretty big. It allows two scum to town read each other all game and they don't have to worry about distancing or anything like that. Reg himself admitted that he could never really explain his town read on CES, it was just there and never disappeared.

475 - Another scum pool from CES. Consisting of CD (conf town), Aero (conf town) and Ank (conf town to me). I realise that almost everyone will have had lynch pools that contain mostly town, however, CES does this on a consistent basis. Couple this with the fact that later on, despite scum reading Anen, he never commits to the vote, I find this is very telling for CES scum.

480 - It's '

hard to exclude the possibility of Psyche!Scum.

' Now, at this time, Psyche was one of the main wagons. Despite this statement, CES never goes anywhere near Psyche or the possibility of voting him. Instead, he prefers to try and push a vanity wagon on Ank (who he isn't even voting). This is typical scum play; FOS buddy (Psyche), push/vote town (Ank/CD). Remember that for the majority of the day, despite appearing to scum read a number of people, his vote does not move off of CD. He just sits on CD, all by himself, all Day long.

501 - The infamous vote on Aero from nowhere. I hadn't noticed this before, but CES' vote on Aero comes almost immediately after Aero announces his V/LA. This is scummy as fuck, especially as he presents no reasoning for this vote, at all. Instead, he assigns his responsibility of being on the wagon onto Reg/Llamarble who he was 'sheeping'.

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Day Two.

714 - Despite Aero flipping town, CES sees no need to reevaluate his read on anyone. Continues to push the CD/Ank angle.

746 - This is the first of a couple of super important posts; CES says 'Reg is not getting lynched unless he keeps living without us winning the game.' Why hasn't this been addressed now? Of all Days, why has this not been addressed in LyLo?

Continues to push for Ank. Still no vote though.

751 - Ah, finally, the vote on Ank. Now, there are a couple of things to note. A) Ank has voted CES now and b) Zach has voted Ank and has now started a wagon on him.

932 - The post where he says the progression of his read on Aero happened out of thread. I still call BS on this. He attacks CD for not pushing ika whilst scum reading him. This is hypocritical at the absolute best given CES has been scum reading Psyche forever whilst doing absolutely nothing about it.

935 - Avoids having to explain his town reads. Not surprising since his read on Reg materialized from nowhere.

949 - Again, points out Psyche is scum but doesn't want to touch him Today because it will become obvious at some point.

1004 - This post is absolutely atrocious. He is defending Reg against CD whilst also saying that if CD thinks Reg is scum then Ank is a 'slam-dunk scum buddy' and he should vote Ank anyway. Deflecting away from Reg, he also says scum cannot afford to bus; this comment should be relevant for obvious reasons.

It should be noted that at this time, CD was heavily suspicious of Reg (this began in 742). CES appeared to be hard scum reading Ank but was content to push CD; was this a chainsaw attempt? His reasoning for actually voting CD in 934 is pretty weak (and again relies on somebody else’s reasoning than his own, much like the Aero wagon). It’s no coincidence that CD ended as the days lynch, it’s also no coincidence that both Reg and CES are on the wagon.

1019 - Continues to say that an Ank vote is better than a Reg vote.

1041 - CES says '

Can you imagine a Day 5 where we just accept that Regfan is still alive?

' This is bad right? This is the second time he has said something along these lines. Yet, when it comes to it, where is his suspicion of Reg that he should surely have now?

1044 - Again, pushing the Anen slot to the side to be sorted at a later date.

1084 - The bottom 3 lines in CES' attack on CD explain CES' play this game pretty clearly. CES ended on both major wagons (both on town) and he suspects CD has never actually voted for scum (and CES hasn't either).

1121 - More mud slinging at Anen without any attempt to push/vote him. This is a constant presence in CES play. Pointing out how scummy the Psyche/Anen slot is without actually doing anything about it. FOS buddy, vote/push town. Typical scum play.

1138 - CES expects Reg to die N2. Important for obvious reasons, does CES ever question why Reg is alive?

1363 - The beginning of his weird attack on Ank for the unvote.

I need to go for food now and I'll try to continue later. CES is so obviously scum though, like, seriously. Please read what I have posted and vote accordingly.

PEdit - Through this analysis it seems pretty clear it's you (CES)/Reg. I said I don't know who is scum between ika/Reg and idc. If it's ika, he snap hammers me. We lose. If it's Reg, there is nothing I can do because, well, he's scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

ika, have you read my recent posts?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm guessing not since you just made that comment actually so can you do so please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Meh, maybe I haven't played so well after all.

I do remember stating a long time ago that CES/Reg could be a thing though and people laughed at me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, read my posts.

Let me know what you think.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Day Three.

1377 - Says Anen, elk and Ank look bad for allowing deadline to pass by. Who does he go after? Anen? Nope. It's Ank. He starts his weird attack on Ank's unvote that he later backs out of and claims he never actually thought it was scummy of Ank to do it.

1443/1446 - This is really weak reasoning from CES for why Anen is scum. It feels like it's coming from a buddy who perceives Anen's posts to be scummier than what they actually are because he knows the true motivation behind them.

1466 - He tries to tie me in with Anen, this is a very early attempt at doing so. Also, after all this discussion with Anen, you have to ask; why isn't CES voting him when he so clearly scum reads him?

1519 - Trying to further tie myself in with Anen, as well as elk now. This is becoming important because according to CES ‘Anen was a very obvious lynch’. Therefore, CES is setting things up to push after his buddy is ‘inevitably lynched’. Coincidentally, I feel it is much more likely for scum to think their buddies lynches are inevitable because they can see if what town are saying is true or false and this directly correlates to the impending lynch.

He also makes a very strange comment to Reg in this post along the lines of ‘Don’t make me doubt my town read on you’. What? If you think he is starting to look scummy, don’t you think that’s something you should start looking into?

1547 - Makes another point for why Reg could be scum. Has no direct questions/interactions for Reg to engage with though.

1572 - This post, and a few before it, show very clearly that CES is scum reading Anen now. Where is his vote? Why is he not voting Anen? At this point, ika and Anen are the two leading wagons. Given we now know that ika is town, there is no way CES could join that wagon given his position in the game. He also cannot bus his buddy; he is paralyzed to doing nothing with his vote.

1580 - More Reg could be scum - again, no interactions/questions for Reg to deal with, just light suspicion.

1634 - This post is awful. CES states 'if he didn't have other scum reads, he would be voting Anen.' This is absolutely comical, this is very weak reasoning to attempt to justify why he isn't on the Anen wagon when he so clearly scum reads him. It's weak. He also says that he wants Reg to 'restore his town read of him' so they can 'hash things out'. I don't even need to explain why that is bad.

1638 - Thinks Reg/myself are scum with elk and Anen. Insists on lynching elk/Anen first because that wins the game either way. States again that he doesn’t think scum will bus unless they absolutely have to. I’m not getting the feeling from CES’ posts that this Anen lynch was as inevitable as he tried to make out after the fact. I just don’t see that thought process in his posts at all.

Further, after just stating this he then goes and says he thinks Anen might be town because there is no support for an ika lynch so scum are happy for Anen to get lynched. So, he wanted to lynch Reg/myself, elk and Anen. He rules out myself/Reg because he wins the game if we lynch elk/Anen and then he rules out Anen above. That just leaves elk. FOS buddy, vote/push town. His Reg scum read also seems entirely based on an elk scum flip (which he knows isn’t happening) and allows him to go back to town reading Reg straight away.

1640/1650 - Reg is back and CES is talking to him like nothing happened. No questions for him and no posts that indicate CES is trying to work out Reg's alignment. It appears as if (and CES states as much) that Reg has simply slipped back into his town reads via 'posting'.

1712 - Yep, he is convinced Reg is town, despite very little interaction or attempt at working out his alignment. His previous suspicion of Reg feels fake and contrived, it disappears far too quickly for it to hold any weight at all.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Keep trying to discredit.

It's so fucking clear now. So clear.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't need to convince you you're scum. You already know that.

I need Ank and ika to see it.

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Ank, did you read my posts?

I didn't just create them for the good of my health.

You can see my thoughts and can extract the three biggest reasons from my posts.

I feel like everything I write gets ignored. I presented cases on CES and ika and received no feedback at all. I then write a pretty detailed case on why CES is scum and again, nothing.

This is getting insanely frustrating.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK.

Well, I'm going to wait and hope that you can put the effort in that this game deserves.

We have plenty of time.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Throwing votes around is useless.

One of myself/CES is confirmed scum. Read: CES is confirmed scum.

I still have no feedback from my posts, I simpl can't do anything else and I feel like I'm just sitting her waiting to be hammered.

Ank & ika, you have both expressed significant interest in voting CES, why are you not doing it?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

CES/Reg makes so much sense. Seriously, read my posts with that scum team in mind and it's so obvious.

CES still pushing for a BBT/Ank team is pretty weak given it would be easy for Ank to just vote CES and leave ika to decide.

Seriously, read my posts. You will see why CES is scum and then you can vote accordingly.

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I got no problems with PT being shared.

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It was real, real close.

I honestly thought Reg was getting lynched at one point and I didn't see any way we could save ourselves.

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The main problem I personally had with this game was that town were so fucking good at being obvtown.

I feel like town had a very strong team and I'm surprised, and quietly impressed, that we managed to pull off the win.

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ika had the right idea, he just went about it the wrong way.

I knew he was trying to get people to vote to conf town himself and I completely forgot about it when I returned the vote on CES and then I was trapped.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

On a serious note though; the shit that ika is allowed to get away with it just unreal.

I've never seen someone so scummy and yet so hard to mislynch.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I realize that.

I've also seen this thing in my sig seriously fuck people over. It always makes me smile.

I'm surprised you didn't come for me Tammy. I was ready for it. I'd have convinced you I was town anyway :p

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Like, I genuinely feel like if I was town in this game I would just tunnel ika until the end of time.

He hammered a town read heading into LyLo. He hammered. A town read. Heading into LyLo.

WTF...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I couldn't believe no-one questioned Reg being alive on D5...I genuinely thought that was going to be our biggest problem.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Maybe.

I suppose Reg starting to lurk it out from D3 onwards could have been used as a reason for why he was alive.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Reg wanted you dead.

We killed you haha.

I think Reg orchestrated most of our kills actually.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think it was more down to you just being universally town read.

We were OK leaving you alive while you and Anti were going at each other but once that stopped, you needed to be killed.

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Yeah, it didn't help that Anti nailed Anen straight away. It took all of his attention away from you and onto Anen.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah that was kind of weird.

Like, Reg/Llamarble/CES all just kind of said 'Well us 3 are town so we'll work this shit out' and I was like wtf...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh yeah, I'm not arguing against that at all.

It was just the early 'town-bloc', so to speak, made no sense to me and I was surprised it was just allowed to happen.

Made it very easy for me to question Reg's read on CES and vice versa though (I think Reg openly admitted he couldn't find a valid reason for his town read on CES in the thread)

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Bitches, stop clogging

Equinox's

my thread.