Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[T S O]

First, to be the last.

[T S O]

Are we allowed vote to Boon ourselves? Because, I can tell you, I feel like a Boon.

[T S O]

Tammy. I'm going to assume you're fishing for townreads if you keep making posts giving the impression that you haven't read the rules. If you're town, go read the rules. Kthnx.

@Titus, how will scum know if we've baned Alquin unless they claim? We don't necessarily have to have anyone claim roles during minor day and we don't necessarily have to lynch the person we bane on MajD1.

Alquin's sign is in the first post. If we bane someone who has a candle sign, and they die then we basically did scum's job for them as Alquin cannot be protected.

Presumably there are other Candle players in the game?

[T S O]

So how exactly are you proposing we utilise the Bane?

[T S O]

Choose: Two

[T S O]

Choosing between One and Two seems to be kinda irrelevant to me, honestly, but I'd prefer Two to One.

[T S O]

Not really.

[T S O]

It's two pages in, and the first bitch has began to moan.

[T S O]

wah wah

you're the one who doesn't understand that we're determining a choice between increased information to all players and safety from kills

I think you're just going to get angrier and angrier if you continue talking - I'd advise you take a break from the Internet until you feel calm again.

[T S O]

Actually, UT's anger does feel a little off, given that the only catalyst for it was someone disagreeing with him. I guess it's possible that UT has extreme anger issues, but it doesn't seem particularly likely.

[T S O]

If you post everything in exclamation marks, that indeed has a very good chance of affecting how I'm going to rate and review you.

[T S O]

Hi!

[T S O]

Pretty good, pretty good. Same as you?

[T S O]

Any thoughts on the game so far?

[T S O]

I haven't read it yet, but soon!

All in good time, my man.

[T S O]

Deas - why do you prefer 1 over 2?

[T S O]

Alquin ro Said

You are

Alquin ro Said

, the

Inhibitor.

While you are alive,

Annihilation

will only be able to target up to two players each night with Unmake. This does not limit the number of uses of Unmake

.

[T S O]

Yeah, you're right - I was taking that to mean they only had 2 uses of Unmake, not that they couldn't hit more than 2 targets.

[T S O]

Feel mildly less enthusiastic about 2 right now.

[T S O]

. Given how townsided most of the open setups can be, I bet practically no one preferred scum.

Do you think this set-up is particularly townsided?

[T S O]

Is Unmake not a factional ability? As in, even if only one is alive they can use the full range of it?

[T S O]

. Given how townsided most of the open setups can be, I bet practically no one preferred scum.

Do you think this set-up is particularly townsided?

Too early to tell.

Given how townsided most of the open setups can be, I bet practically no one preferred scum.

So, you don't know if this set-up is townsided yet, but you don't think people would have picked scum in fear of it being townsided?

[T S O]

But how is this fully open? It's semi-open at best.

[T S O]

Bane: Titus

[T S O]

I got that impression too.

Maybe hito should just clarify the scenario in full so we don't waste time discussing how the mechanic works.

[T S O]

I'm up to Bane Titus, don't see anyone who deserves it more than her right now.

[T S O]

I do think TSO is town. He's scumreading me because he cannot understand my posts.

...no, Titus, please don't humiliate yourself by saying things like this. If you want to be humiliated, I'll do it for free.

I'm getting scummy vibes from tammy. It might be jsut her excitement, but something is weird.

People should follow marquis and bane gg.

No idea where any of these thought processes are coming from.

I could have done that. Decided not to. Most of the stuff I've said again anyway. The only thing I haven't said again is that our team's strategy is support, so I'm going to be focused on working with my town reads.

Am I the only one who finds Bulbazak's thought process here bizarre as fuck?

Bulba: "oh I'm mad that I made a post and hito locked the thread"
GIF: "you should have used the Back button"
Bulba: "meh didn't want it anyway"

I'd be Baning you for that if it wasn't for...

Why did multiple people ask of I'm scum?
Are you trying to soflty push a mislynch on me or something?
I'm town.

Bane: vezokpiraka

I don't get what you mean here, so if you could explain in simple terms it would be much appreciated. I do also have a more detailed posts explaining my preference of choice.

Two gives double the protection on a person, extending the life of a successful protect.
A player, be it that person or an external benefactor, can claim it.

Or scum.

And this is something I'm beginning to feel repeatedly paranoid about,

especially

in regards to Choice 1 - that scum will either manufacture a situation where they don't use an Unmake and claim protection, or they go the other route and make everyone paranoid of that so that the net result of someone claiming truthfully about getting a message about being protected ends up being almost zero.

[T S O]

It occurs to me that rolling scum here would have been great for me - with all the big personalities, I could probably slip under the radar.

[T S O]

I feel Gestalt kinda owe it to us to vomit the absolute shit into the thread through the conduit of ffery.

[T S O]

So, yeah. {Bulba, UT, vezok} are the Banes I support as it stands.

Tammy is kinda convincing too in regards to Zar, I guess? It just feels a little strange in places. She got mad when Empire made one non-insulting joke and although her case is backed by logic it's also backed to the hilt by emotion, and I'm not sure I trust emotional-Tammy that much to go there. Especially when those three are so enticing.

[T S O]

I'm null-scumreading Titus for a discrepancy in her posts I didn't feel she actually addressed. I think the handwave of "read my posts pls" was stupid, and I don't see it coming from town-Titus as easily as scum-Titus.

[T S O]

CDB, are the Black Goo nullreading vezok?

[T S O]

I agree with that readslist 100%, except for me, natch.

Though I'd create a middle section and probably stuff people like Marquis into it.

[T S O]

I'm null-scumreading Titus for a discrepancy in her posts I didn't feel she actually addressed. I think the handwave of "read my posts pls" was stupid, and I don't see it coming from town-Titus as easily as scum-Titus.

I agree with that readslist 100%, except for me, natch.

Though I'd create a middle section and probably stuff people like Marquis into it.

Umm what?

420 has me as town. There's a shift in the posts here that makes no sense to me.

Also, your "contradiction" is reading comprehension issues. *shrug*

Bulba's also pretty town, just in case anyone's wondering.

Correct - when I looked at the readslist I didn't notice you were in town. My bad.

...do you want to explain my original problem with you, or ...?

[T S O]

That would be great TSO.

Yes, Titus, it would be great.

I genuinely have no idea what this is meant to be and interacting you is beginning to make my head hurt already.

[T S O]

Have people like Bulba actually moved up, or are you just trying to make it extremely clear it's Zar you want lynched?

[T S O]

That would be great TSO.

Yes, Titus, it would be great.

I genuinely have no idea what this is meant to be and interacting you is beginning to make my head hurt already.

You offered to outline why you originally scumread.

My response...that would be great. I seriously do not get your confusion.

A while back, I raised a query - your response was "read my posts in full." I don't feel your posts revealed anything new. I also don't feel the query is that trivial, given that my current belief is that you're lying for no reason, and I take that seriously.

[T S O]

Seriatim - in order.

[T S O]

There's some stuff I find pretty convincing against Bulbazak so far.

[T S O]

As Doublade, a hydra
As Marquis

[T S O]

Can we Bane someone already so we can move onto the meat and drink that is the Major Day?

[T S O]

Also, we can get a Boon, and you know who likes Boons? This guy.

[T S O]

hey ffery, it shouldn't really bother you that you don't have a strong read on me early-game. I don't think you usually do.

[T S O]

Marquis, please.

PEdit: Whoah shit.

[T S O]

Skipping from page 24 to 28 to say the following: ffery, you're town, I'm town, Cabd would like to collaborate with you for the brief time you're here.

[T S O]

Hey, you, stop being so likeable.

[T S O]

vezok, I don't understand why you're so confident in this being town-Empire, not where your miraculous ability to read him and confidence in that stems from.

[T S O]

ffery, Cabd says Empire is town and that he thinks you should already know that. He also wants to know whether you want him to focus on fringes or you just want a general readslist.

[T S O]

Has Patrick read the game, or are you the only member of the Black Goo caught up right now?

[T S O]

Am I the only one who finds Bulbazak's thought process here bizarre as fuck?

Bulba: "oh I'm mad that I made a post and hito locked the thread"
GIF: "you should have used the Back button"
Bulba: "meh didn't want it anyway"

Surely there'd be better ways to do this as scum, if I'd even say such a thing in the first place. Such a comment is guaranteed to draw attention. Focusing on such statements as a basis for a scum lean is also just silly.

But this post doesn't actually address any of my concerns about what is, to my eyes right now, you straight-up lying for no good reason.

"Surely there'd be better ways to do this as scum" - Sure. The point remains you did it. Scum don't play optimally 100% of the time.
"if I'd even say such a thing in the first place" - Well, that's irrelevant, seeing as you -did- say it.
"Such a comment is guaranteed to draw attention." - Yes, correct, but this is

still

pointing out simple logic rather than addressing anything.
"Focusing on such statements as a basis for a scum lean is also just silly" - Why is this? This is the only thing you said that has any relevance to my point.

I still don't understand why you made a post, then didn't post it, then moaned about not being able to even though it was easily retrievable with one click. I'm starting to believe this post never existed, because if it did, then your actions are so incredibly illogical that it's physically not believable for me.

So the only real question I have left to ask after this post is ...why are you lying to us? Because scum in a game like this really, really don't want to admit that they were caught in a lie, and your reaction fits that pretty well.

[T S O]

The only scenario where I don't want to Bane Bulbazak is the one where we're lynching him instead.

[T S O]

The only scenario where I don't want to Bane Bulbazak is the one where we're lynching him instead.

My team has talked a little about my tunnelling and this looks problematic tunnelly. By shutting down and declaring all plans must assume Bulba is scum, you shut him out. If he's town, that's bad for obvious reasons. If he's scum, he won't post and give relative information.

If he lies, he lies. It's that simple for me.

[T S O]

Am I the only one who finds Bulbazak's thought process here bizarre as fuck?

Bulba: "oh I'm mad that I made a post and hito locked the thread"
GIF: "you should have used the Back button"
Bulba: "meh didn't want it anyway"

Surely there'd be better ways to do this as scum, if I'd even say such a thing in the first place. Such a comment is guaranteed to draw attention. Focusing on such statements as a basis for a scum lean is also just silly.

But this post doesn't actually address any of my concerns about what is, to my eyes right now, you straight-up lying for no good reason.

"Surely there'd be better ways to do this as scum" - Sure. The point remains you did it. Scum don't play optimally 100% of the time.
"if I'd even say such a thing in the first place" - Well, that's irrelevant, seeing as you -did- say it.
"Such a comment is guaranteed to draw attention." - Yes, correct, but this is

still

pointing out simple logic rather than addressing anything.
"Focusing on such statements as a basis for a scum lean is also just silly" - Why is this? This is the only thing you said that has any relevance to my point.

I still don't understand why you made a post, then didn't post it, then moaned about not being able to even though it was easily retrievable with one click. I'm starting to believe this post never existed, because if it did, then your actions are so incredibly illogical that it's physically not believable for me.

So the only real question I have left to ask after this post is ...why are you lying to us? Because scum in a game like this really, really don't want to admit that they were caught in a lie, and your reaction fits that pretty well.

[T S O]

Bane: Bulbazak

[T S O]

A lot of the recent discussion on Tammy truly bores me to death. This is not a character analysis of Tammy. We should stop posting things to that effect. Thanks in advance.

[T S O]

It's probably best to let ffery decide the Boon, seeing as she's conftown, with good reads and a good team. However, it's a shame in the same way, because a certain someone who would truly love that Boon isn't going to get it.

[T S O]

Or scum.

Could be that too, y'know.

[T S O]

Gamma, from your recent thoughts on UT and vezok, it appears you tend to townread being open and showing your cards, like UT is doing. But I don't think it's past the water mark of, well, any player here, especially given that coaching is a thing, to appear "genuine". You're going to have to explain what exactly you think is genuine if you want your townread to have any actual credence with anyone. I'd ask you to explain your townread on me while you're at it, but we all know I'm town, and I'm sure you're a busy man.

[T S O]

To prevent a needless back-and-forth - my next question will then be asking you why town-UT/vezok is more likely to say those things than scum-vezok, so you may as well just include that with your post, to optimise your time.

[T S O]

Boon: TSO

[T S O]

Actually, I think there's mild merit in gifting the Boon to me rather than someone like Tammy. The action, if it's given to town, will mildly incentivize the nightkill of the person it's given to. If we're gifting it to someone like Tammy, it's relatively likely she'll be removed early-game by scum and the information will die. Yeah, crumbing is a thing, but scum will scour her posts just like us and either neither of us get it, making it worthless, or both of us get it, which is still essentially worthless.

Large as my ego is, I don't think I'm a particularly prime nightkill target Major n1 this game, so it increases the chances of that information hanging around until late-game, where it'll hopefully be at its most useful. Even if you don't trust in my ability to use it well (and you should!) you should definitely trust in the ability of my teammembers in Cabd, Kagami and Aeronaut to do so.

This is assuming it's optimal to not reveal the result for a potential ace-in-the-hole lategame, which I'm assuming is true - if the purpose of this boon is just to blare out your result once we hit Major Day 1, I don't care if I get it or not. In fact, if this is the case, and I strongly hope it isn't, we shouldn't really be wasting time discussing who gets it as long as they're a relatively strong townread.

[T S O]

There's no harm in explaining the relative merits of it while ffery makes up her mind.

[T S O]

Eagerness aside - I would specifically like Marquis -not- to be Booned. The list of things Marquis has done in this game so far basically boils down to a) change his playstyle to seem more irritating b) flop around a bit in regards to things like meta and c) jack shit. Sorry, Marquis, it is how it is.

I also don't feel comfortable giving it to someone like DeasVail because, although they're a townread, it's a townread along the lines of "looks town, could be getting me here if he's scum either."

This may seem like a shameless plug, but it's not. I don't mind giving the Boon to someone who's not me, but I have to feel comfortable with that person, and neither of the above fit that description.

[T S O]

I think Cheetory does, though.

[T S O]

Cephrir's view of my meta is mildly skewed due to repeated experiences with me playing angry/aggressive. I'm much more mellow and charming now, though people say somewhat less effective for it.

[T S O]

It's bad enough that you're calling us scum solely because we disagree with you being Booned, but when this message is frivolously peppered with exclamation marks, it loses any mild credibility it could have had.

[T S O]

I rate your scumgame quite highly, for what it's worth.

[T S O]

I'm more confident someone like Cheetory isn't fooling me, rather than you. On the same scale, I would be more confident you aren't fooling me than Tammy/Empire.

[T S O]

Am I the only one who's actually scumreading vezok?

[T S O]

I mean, bluntness is kinda his stock in trade. He doesn't really do subtlety or nuance.

I'd prefer Cheetory to him.

[T S O]

ffery, we're waiting on your call?

[T S O]

Deas, it appears the tide has turned on our respective bids.

A shame.

[T S O]

Making dinner and homework, but I wanted to say my three favourite picks for booning right now are TSO, Titus and Deas.

Boon: Deas

for now.
Vezok doesn't look bad either but I have literally 0 experience with him.
Would be willing to sheep townreads there if we need a hammer and that's the only thing that's gonna take off.

I'd prefer you or Vezok over any of your favorite picks!

Explain why?

This isn't just because I'm being mentioned; I really want to hear what you're thinking on Titus.

[T S O]

It's bad enough that you're calling us scum solely because we disagree with you being Booned, but when this message is frivolously peppered with exclamation marks, it loses any mild credibility it could have had.

Asking why you are doing something is not meaning he's calling you scum.

That would be fantastic, if that was what he actually did. Unfortunately, it wasn't.

Also he has been doing the exclamations thing the whole game. If it was such a problem, why not vote then?

This is me poking fun, not me calling him out. I'm not actually seriously suggesting him using exclamation marks would change the validity of his post. I'm just saying it looks ridiculous. And it does.

This rush and hotheadness is not good, which is why I am not booning you.

So, let's clarify: you weren't Booning me, you didn't plan on Booning me at any future stage, and then I posted #1130, and now you are... still not Booning me, and apparently #1130 is the reason why you knew that Booning me wouldn't be a good idea.

Right.

[T S O]

@TSO, Your hyperactive and hotheaded nature as town was evident before we started this game. 1130 is an example of that. I am pretty sure people don't want me booned because they think I am insane/moonlogicky. One example would not be a sudden revelation. Make sense? You display that nature frequently.

Nah. I've toned that side of me down a lot, both site-wide and in this game especially. So that argument really doesn't wash with me. I don't want you Booned because I think you're scum. It's that simple.

I also don't understand why your stated reason makes any sense for not Booning me- "He is hot-headed ---> Must not give him a night action which he can discuss with his team before using."

[T S O]

TSO, you have not contained your hotheadedness at all.

This is wrong. But I respect your right to be wrong. I don't even mind if you hold views which are wrong and directly against mine. Again,it's your right to do so. I'll just point our their falsity and poke fun of them whenever I feel like it.

There is also zero guarantee you listen to your team. Your votile reputation does nothing to sway me.

Team: "Oh, TSO, we heard you got a boon! We were thinking of using it on-"
TSO: "FUCK OFF I DON'T WANT YOUR IMPUT. USELESS CUNTS."

How realistic. Very real. Wow.

The more you beg, the less inclined I am to give it to you.

I am not begging for it. I'm just pointing out why your reasons for not giving it to me are illogical. It's one of the reasons I'm not townreading you.

[T S O]

Untrod Tripod? Is this a late, late April Fools joke?

[T S O]

If I had an insta-Vig, I'd shoot Untrod Tripod for a multitude of reasons.

[T S O]

First you are pretending passionate people don't do what they feel is right despite the team saying otherwise.

Yes, Titus. That is literally exactly what I'm saying - I have enough respect for my much-vaunted teammates to make the decision as close to a democratical one as need be. Maybe you don't respect your teammates - I have no idea who's even on your team. That's you. That's not.

Now you're wanting to vig UT for a multitude of reasons you are not even mentioning.

Why is this an issue? Maybe I think UT is scum. Maybe I think UT is a shit player. Maybe I dislike UT. Maybe it's a combination. But what is your actual problem with this? Because all you're doing right now is demonstrating the fact you can repeat posts ad verbum.

This is looking like you are just attacking anyone who does not boon you or is a boon alternative.

This is the most fucking ridiculous thing ever - my scumread on UT has been a constant so far, it has never been a townread, nor has it ever changed or mellowed. I also do not understand how I'm attacking Boon alternatives when I am

openly endorsing Cheetory for a Boon.

But continue saying that - I am sure it will go far.

[T S O]

EBWOP: That's you. That's not me.

[T S O]

It's almost like me saying "I support Cheetory as a Boon" multiple times doesn't immediate demolish that argument! It's almost like you didn't read the post!

[T S O]

Well, vezok is happening. I'll hammer whenever.

[T S O]

I'm V/LA. and will be for at least a week. I haven't read past page 54. I'll catch up. Sincere apologies.

[T S O]

I'm back, and apparently have to read 55 pages. Go me.

[T S O]

I'll ask, but I am not particularly hopeful that huge imput will be given - they all have their own games, etc.

[T S O]

Anyone want to give me a quick summary of the pages I missed and/or important events?

[T S O]

Bye, Marquis!

[T S O]

Skipping from page 24 to 28 to say the following: ffery, you're town, I'm town, Cabd would like to collaborate with you for the brief time you're here.

What happened to this, TSO? the brief time is ticking down.

Well, I was V/LA for close to 2 weeks, and Cabd hasn't managed to catch up, from what I can see.

It is what it is - my apologies, ffery.

[T S O]

There's also a lot to hate about scum!Aronis, from my memories of him.

[T S O]

Actually, that's unfair - it's Flames I'm thinking of, not him.

[T S O]

Venimus, vidimus, Gestalt vicit!



VOTE: ActionDan

[T S O]

I know I'm popular, everyone, so you don't immediately have to scurry to the ActionDan wagon. I won't ridicule you in public for walking in an orderly fashion, I'll simply berate you heavily in private.

[T S O]

I come bearing gifts! A readslist, from Kagami! And myrrh and frankincense also!

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DeasVail
GuyInFreezer
Shadoweh
Oversoul
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ActionDan
Gammagooey
mastin2
Marquis
Bulbazak
TellTaleHeart
ChannelDelibird
vezokpiraka
Cheetory6
Aronis
Titus
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Espeonage
singersigner
Untrod Tripod

[T S O]

A readslist,

from Kagami!

[T S O]

Shadoweh

,

nacho is in love with your iso. he was swooning over it until he noticed one thing: a town read on T S O. Plz do something about this so's not to break his heart.

Oh for fuck's sake, come on, this is so unwarranted Nacho!

[T S O]

we're actually doing me, how is this is even a fucking thing

[T S O]

I got back from V/LA like 2 days ago, when I was missing for close to 2 weeks. How can you randomly expect me to have d1 content?

Singer's jump on me is fucking terrible, by the way, she doesn't even have a read on me.

[T S O]

But whatever. I know Nacho is pushing this. It's becoming a sitewide thing where Nacho is fucking lynching me in every game we play and he's always wrong. I really hope I roll scum in a game he's in and utterly shit on him in revenge.

Ugh.

[T S O]

I think I actually owe it to my team to not get lynched here? So, yeah.

[T S O]

Yes, you've summed the situation up quite accurately - I was one day returned from V/LA at that stage, a conftown player with a good team asked for a sheep. I sheeped. I then posted content from the one member of my team who is reading this game. I did not take that into consideration with my reads because I haven't actually considered my reads yet - I was planning to wait for Major N1 to try to somewhat catch up.

[T S O]

You were happy to sign over your agency as a player when we were pushing an AD lynch despite having had nothing whatsoever to say about him while you were active earlier.

Even the stuff you're posting, like this, can equally be attributed to, let's say, singer - except I have a fucking excuse for doing this, while singer most certainly does not. Meanwhile, back at Gestalt HQ, Nacho is townreading singer!

[T S O]

cheeeett <3