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Post Post #2086 (isolation #400) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:36 pm

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In post 2082, Boonskiies wrote:RC's probably just the final scumfuck trying to find a way to get Matt and I out of the game, as we're the two that would go about lynching her.


I did already put it into words that you're my two primary lynches.

If that's what you think my motivation is, I won't argue with you.
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Post Post #2089 (isolation #401) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:44 pm

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If you're really going to lynch me now I don't even care. I've done enough for this game.

But you're going to lynch Matt and Boon tomorrow and the day after.
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Post Post #2097 (isolation #402) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:10 pm

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2 scum lynches under my belt.

Super sloppy play here.
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Post Post #2099 (isolation #403) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:16 pm

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I didn't call your play sloppy though.
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Post Post #2101 (isolation #404) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:17 pm

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Yeah, I totally didn't lead the EPM lynch at all.
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Post Post #2102 (isolation #405) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:18 pm

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I won't need to talk my way out of shit.

One of you and Boonskiies is scum.

That's final and absolute.
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Post Post #2114 (isolation #406) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:35 pm

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So are you saying you hadn't read the game at all before today or are you just heel face turning.
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Post Post #2115 (isolation #407) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:36 pm

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Because on a scale of 1-all over the place you exceed the maximum alloted score for all over the place.
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Post Post #2120 (isolation #408) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:40 pm

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I'm saying that if Flubber is scum I feel confident in my ability to lynch him later.
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Post Post #2123 (isolation #409) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:42 pm

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Like I said early game- Flubber is Flubber.

He is the absolute most anti-town and useless player I have ever played with.

I know I can't read him so I'm going to lynch people who I have scumreads on before I lynch him.

Kind of like my strategy to deal with you is.
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Post Post #2124 (isolation #410) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:44 pm

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If I had no scumreads I'd lynch Flubber immediately.
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Post Post #2126 (isolation #411) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:45 pm

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And Boon, if you're town you earned your scumread by flying in here not knowing anything about the game and trying to declare people obvtown.
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Post Post #2128 (isolation #412) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:46 pm

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I won this game by OMGUSing.

It's not the first one.
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Post Post #2132 (isolation #413) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:47 pm

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You say in the middle of me carrying this town through kicking and screaming.
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Post Post #2135 (isolation #414) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:49 pm

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EPM wasn't even you.


Thanks for your opinions.

Your perspective is valuable to us.
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Post Post #2138 (isolation #415) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:54 pm

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One of my first games in this site I was vig.

It was near mountainous, I had 2 shots and was the only PR.

I shot scum N2.

After the game town complained that I was a shitty PR because they ended up assuming I was a SK after I claimed and lynched me.

I'm going to play this to win, thanks.
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Post Post #2139 (isolation #416) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:55 pm

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You're the butthurt one.

There's no reasonable position whereby you can say that I was anything but a powerful force for town in this game.
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Post Post #2144 (isolation #417) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:03 pm

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So you were.

I shot one mafia and called out the other mafia as obvscum long before I claimed.

Got lynched, 2 nights later town killed the scum and bitched about my play.

So yeah, if you want to make unreasonable complaints about my play it's going in one ear and out the other.
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Post Post #2146 (isolation #418) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:06 pm

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It's not ongoing.
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Post Post #2157 (isolation #419) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:15 pm

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I'll be pissed off about this lynch no matter what it flips at this point.
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Post Post #2175 (isolation #420) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:19 pm

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Boonskiies kill weirds me out.

I'm going to most likely be stuck in LyLo with Vonflare who I don't trust at all so I'm hesitant to lynch right now.
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Post Post #2176 (isolation #421) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:20 pm

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I guess nothing has changed.

VOTE: MattP
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Post Post #2177 (isolation #422) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:20 pm

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I'm still really pissed that I'm in this position right now.
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Post Post #2181 (isolation #423) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:48 am

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You don't understand why we're lynching MattP because you didn't bother to read any of the game you replaced into.
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Post Post #2183 (isolation #424) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:55 am

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I got prodded with the last post.

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Post Post #2194 (isolation #425) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:36 am

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Sad part is that if we just fucking lynched Jake D1 the other two scum would have been obvious and we'd have been done by day 3.
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Post Post #2196 (isolation #426) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:53 am

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Here's why Ank is scum.

1) While Jake was in the slot, there was literally NO direct parlance between him and EPM. None. Check it yourself, I've posted it in thread before.
2) There's a little bit between him and Lostaway and it's ridiculously formal.
3) Jake IMMEDIATELY got unreasonably defensive when he went into this game and got scumread. He was just in a game with me where I immediately scumread someone who was scum and got lynched (by me) to win the game.
4) Kinetic's top two scumreads were Jake and EPM. Who died?
5) Ankamius jumped on the EPM super late when it was inevitable.
6) Ankamius basically just coasted following EPM's lynch, being a part of most of the town lynches or not voting, never pushing anything on his own.

Here's why I'm town.

1) There's some back and forth between me and EPM and there's a ton between me and Lostaway that stayed very casual. None of the rigid formality you see between her and Jake.
2) I nearly got lynched D1. Here's the wagon.

RadiantCowbells (6):
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3) I was nearly entirely responsible for getting EPM lynched.
4) If I had been planning to bus EPM on Day 2, why the fuck would I kill Kinetic who townread me and scumread the person I wanted to bus?
5) EPM seems really hopeless when he goes out. Probably because he thought I'd immediately get back on Jake next.
6) During the days following that lynch, I was focused on getting one lynched done and pushed people off of others.

Every single other person in this game knew I was town.

You are the one alive in LyLo.
No further comment.

The best part is how much you flailed when you were wagoned on day one. That's my favorite part.


By you and your scumbuddies.

Too bad we didn't lynch Jake when we had the chance.
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Post Post #2197 (isolation #427) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:54 am

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VOTE: Ankamius
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Post Post #2198 (isolation #428) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:55 am

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See this is why when I say someone is scum early people should fucking listen.

they flip scum.

BBT, Jake, whoever.
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Post Post #2200 (isolation #429) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:58 am

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My read on you changed because Matt had been pinging me all of D2 and I was (correctly) assuming a 3 scum game.

You were also pretty effective at towning the slot up following Jake's departure.

It's especially funny because immediately on replacing in you saw the EPM-Jake thing and started trying to establish rapport to clear that associative tell.

I wrote it off but obvsly I shouldn't have.
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Post Post #2202 (isolation #430) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:03 am

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Matt's plan.

I'm sure it's just coincidence that you left Vonflare up.
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Post Post #2209 (isolation #431) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:30 pm

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In post 2203, Ankamius wrote:Another funny point: The entire scum team spearheaded your lynch day one, therefore I hopped right off when I replaced in and let you destroy the entire scum team without eliminating you from the game once you were mostly universally townread.

That's what you're suggesting with point 2 for why you're town.


No shit you jumped off. Scum were selfdestructing on me like crazy people and there's no way that your team would survive my mislynch in that fashion.

When would you have killed me, exactly? In place of Kinetic who scumread you both and townread me? In place of the claimed JOAT? GS? clears?

No, you couldn't kill me. And this is a town win because of that.
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Post Post #2212 (isolation #432) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:42 pm

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In post 2211, Ankamius wrote:
In post 2209, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2203, Ankamius wrote:Another funny point: The entire scum team spearheaded your lynch day one, therefore I hopped right off when I replaced in and let you destroy the entire scum team without eliminating you from the game once you were mostly universally townread.

That's what you're suggesting with point 2 for why you're town.


No shit you jumped off. Scum were selfdestructing on me like crazy people and there's no way that your team would survive my mislynch in that fashion.

When would you have killed me, exactly? In place of Kinetic who scumread you both and townread me? In place of the claimed JOAT? GS? clears?

No, you couldn't kill me. And this is a town win because of that.


So you're saying I would have killed the person who had independent scumreads on both EPM and me instead of the player who had not only scumreads on both of us but associative tells beyond that?


Yeah, not like I was a leading wagon for all of D1 or anything.
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Post Post #2213 (isolation #433) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:46 pm

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and I do nothing to try to stop that point of view.

Yes, it was really towny for you to lurk and play passive and let us carry you to lylo with someone who scumreads me.

can't compete with that, I'm caught scum.
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Post Post #2216 (isolation #434) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:51 pm

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So I'm scum because you didn't make a terrible decision?

So I'm going to just risk the chance of vonflare being swayed by flipped town suggesting that I be the designated lynch in LyLo standing down.


Alternative was sticking your neck out and getting lynched much sooner.
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Post Post #2217 (isolation #435) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:56 pm

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Ooh, how's this for why did I x:

Why would I have suddenly switched to EPM, my partner, in a way that attracted suspicion from PK when it was established that I was "tunneling" Jake and it would have been just as easy a lynch, especially following the Kinetic kill.
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Post Post #2218 (isolation #436) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:56 pm

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I mean, why kill Kinetic to protect my partner and then go out and hard bus my partner after.
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Post Post #2220 (isolation #437) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:07 pm

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I bussed my partner just so I could lynch the person I could have lynched instead?
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Post Post #2222 (isolation #438) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:19 pm

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So yeah there's no compelling reason you'll ever come up with for that so either I'm town as a result of it or speculation over WIFOM is worthless.

The way mafia works is that you lynch people. that takes votes, not words.

I don't have to fight with you about every possibility, I just have to lynch scum. I'm doing that.

I'm done arguing with scum unless you specifically want something, Vonflare.

You think you'd have enough towncred from just bussing Lostaway? After all you and Lostaway were nearly lynched and EPM had a solid wagon on him at some point too? It's kind of important to get all the towncred you can in that position and having a plan beyond that is a very good idea when you're going to go as a solo scum for the rest of the game.


Yeah, my plan would be to not go the game as a solo scum and instead to push a lynch on you, whether or not it goes down.

Saying that I "need" the towncred of a scum lynch so that I can lynch people is a slip btw. Scum doesn't need to do jack shit but survive and let town selfdestruct, which is what Ankamius did.

Town are the one who need to get lynches off, and I'm the one who had plans and reads that I pushed.
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Post Post #2224 (isolation #439) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:29 pm

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Scum me doesn't need to lynch you.

Town me does.

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Post Post #2227 (isolation #440) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:35 pm

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If I were scum I'd be perfectly content to push a lynch on you and have it not go through.

It's only because I'm town that I actually have to have it succeed to win.
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Post Post #2229 (isolation #441) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:43 am

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You were scumreading me, Elyse was townreading me, and Elyse is the better scumhunter by far.
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Post Post #2230 (isolation #442) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:22 am

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Are you surprised that mafia would want you alive in LyLo over Elyse?

you shouldn't be.
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Post Post #2232 (isolation #443) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:02 am

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1. I was being antagonistic towards you for your lack of activity thr last couple day phases. This negative impression gibves RC an advantage in LyLo.


You were encouraging a player to be more active and that's supposed to be a mark against you?

I actually never noticed that. You needed Vonflare more invested in the game because you didn't want him just speedvoting you out of the gate today.

2. You were far less into the loop about the game. It would be much easier for one to forge a case for a player that is less likely to spot the contradictions.


Why would I need to forge a case?

This entire game says scum!Jake, up to and including his spat with OS leading to his replace out, and then the rest of it.

The fact that we're even talking here is a testament to the effectiveness of the choice to kill Elyse.

Elyse has seen my townplay multiple times, including me at my most effective. Anyone trying to cross-reference my experience with both you and her would not risk Elyse recognizing my townplay in the end of the game, since I caught her in LyLo in the past.


Same is true for me, since I've played like 5 consecutive games with her.

Who was she townreading the entire game again?
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Post Post #2234 (isolation #444) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:44 pm

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Because Matt said so.

Wasn't really a likelihood given your reads but I guess Ank was worried about it.
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Post Post #2239 (isolation #445) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:12 pm

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Notice that he didn't disagree with anything I said, he just basically said "I'm only scum because Jake was scum!"

The rest is pure nonsense.
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Post Post #2240 (isolation #446) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:16 pm

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I mean yeah, you definitely played a lot better than Jake.

You're still scum though.
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Post Post #2241 (isolation #447) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:20 pm

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And it's still a hell of a lot less unfair than me having to sit through all these craptastic lynches.
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Post Post #2243 (isolation #448) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:41 pm

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Waffle harder, thanks.

I used a buzzword so it makes it true.


Who was she townreading the entire game again?


I'm pretty sure Elyse wasn't scumreading this slot for anything I did; the vast majority of the suspicion was my predecessor, if not all of it.


Not like I can deflect given that you haven't presented any arguments for RC!scum besides "I wouldn't have lurked all game as scum!" and "I'm only being scumread because of Jake slot!"
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Post Post #2244 (isolation #449) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:44 pm

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Oh, I forgot "Why wouldn't I have killed RC when he was nearly the lynch D1 and I had clears and PRs to kill later."

That's a really solid one that I hadn't taken into consideration.
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Post Post #2246 (isolation #450) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:53 pm

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In post 2243, RadiantCowbells wrote:Waffle harder, thanks.
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Post Post #2250 (isolation #451) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:22 am

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if i had to decide now, I would vote ank.

also deflect waffles thx


Then do it. I'm tired of ank's terrible straw graspy wifom.

1) There was no night besides N1 where I was a viable kill target, and every following night hit a PR or clear.
2) Buzzwords flying left right and centre. Ank's point was that he was only being scumread for Jake!actions, and it was a horrible point that didn't make him less scum at all. It was not "deflected" at all.
3) Yeah, the posts 'existed'. doesn't make them any less feeble and dumb.

Look at the D1 wagons. Look at Ankamius / Jake votes and interactions with the scumplayers. Look at mine. Why are we still playing this game?
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Post Post #2251 (isolation #452) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:32 am

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Von, you even know my town game from 1661.

This hammer should by no means be a difficult task.
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Post Post #2252 (isolation #453) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:37 am

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Like fuck dude how did you even scumread me anyway?
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Post Post #2254 (isolation #454) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:46 am

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we still have time. why waste it?


This isn't productive at all.

the push on matt was weird.


Here's the first post that made me question my TR on him.

You're playing a bad game for someone with a considerable wagon on you. Think more. Flubber is a player you have a scumread on that many other players have called out / are scumreading. He's posted minimal content. You can feasibly get pressure on him. Half of wagon pushing is read-related, half is efficacy-related. You're not being efficient. A lot of your play this game has been very hectic, and that's what's causing your wagon (whether the players voting you are right or just reading you poorly. I think the latter is happening) / lack of influence over the course of the game.


So basically he was saying that I should push Flubber, who was an extremely weak player, over my genuine scumreads (in this case EPM and we ended up lynching him the day after.)

And I didn't like at all how he kept pushing me away from EPM when he was claiming him as a potential scum.

He was still a TR though untli

Also, seriously as a side note since you've calmed down RC, please in the future when you're frustrated with the game don't cuss at people and ask for your lynch. It's against the spirit of the game and makes it not fun. It's a game, we should be enjoying it. I've gotten frustrated several times in this game too, but I've not let it show. I want to have a good time, I'm sure you do too.


^ This is regardless of either of our alignment. I'm talking about spirit of the game in general.


Like, it's super obvious that it goes regardless of alignment and the way he corrected it seemed like he felt that it needed to be said, like it would get brought up again, which made me think he was scum with a guilty conscience. Obviously I was wrong.

Then after the EPM flip I was ISOing him again and seeing this that caused me to jump him in D3.

Town (most town to least town)
MattP (but I'm really coy about it)
JFSM
Grimmjow
RC
Kinetic
Elyse
Pisskop

Uncertain after reading them
Lostaway <- Diffuse read, nothing particularly polarizing
EPM <- Some moderately scummy feelings but need to reevaluate as a cohesive entity after I've slept on it

Scum reads (least scum to most scum)
OS
Flubber


Put both of the scum in his nulls with really heavily explained reads while his actual town and scum reads were more heavily explained.

And yeah, obviously he was town and I was wrong and I really dropped the ball there and PK and Boon will hold it against me forever.

But that's why I went onto Matt.
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Post Post #2255 (isolation #455) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:49 am

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But to be fair I didn't want the Flubber or Titus lynches and if we did things my way we'd have lynched Ank a long time ago.
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Post Post #2256 (isolation #456) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:58 am

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If my MattP push was weird, what was the scum motivation behind it?

Why would I stick my neck out trying to get a lynch done when I could just wait for attrition to push me into a situation where the lynch would be between the two of us?

Boonskiies tried to lynch me for the Matt push and I stuck to my guns because that's who I thought was scum. Where does Ank put anything on the line pushing anything, ever?
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Post Post #2257 (isolation #457) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:00 am

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Hell, where does Ank ever have a clear read on anyone besides just jumping on whatever lynch the town is on?
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Post Post #2260 (isolation #458) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:14 pm

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Another thing you should inspect is this to this. It's RC's first explanation for the Mattp scumread back on day 3 and his most recent post about the same subject.


Thanks for doing my job for me?

Same point above applies. It's the best move to keep trying to push for Mattp's death because backing down means you can't force that lynch through later without raising a lot of eyebrows at the same time.

And no, putting things on the line to push things is a null trait. It doesn't mean anything whether I did so or not; me getting disengaged is null as well.


Yeah I'm just gonna say lurking is null cuz I did it and all the towny things you did are also null because you did them.

Shh, don't look too far into it.

That might have something to do with me trying to pressure people into telling me why they're suspecting my posts (hint: that's how I scumhunt when applicable), and no one ever bothering to tell me. It's kind of difficult to get strong reads when my method of getting them isn't working.


And you just let them?

Don't need to sort anyone, no siree.

Because you needed a lynch on me and your chances of ever getting it with Mattp being alive was basically nil.


The same Matt who said to lynch you over me in LyLo?

Just proving my point further.


I'm sorry I insulted your points.

This is really fucking hilarious. The initial point in this train was never meant to be much since it was basically a subjective thing that might have had something to do with Elyse dying last night. Your response basically made the point dead null, since around the point of the game where we were starting to make lynch lists, Elyse posted this, which doesn't have my name anywhere on it.


Hmm.

RC is obvtown. Hopefully he picks his shit up and plays but I'm not PLing him.


Yeah I'm also getting scumvibes from Ank.


Hard game.
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Post Post #2261 (isolation #459) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:32 pm

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Anything else, Ank?
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Post Post #2278 (isolation #460) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:57 am

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I'd just like to apologize to everyone who was on the receiving end of some of my nasty comments D1.

I was trying to emulate my town meta and went way overboard with the rudeness and said a ton of mean things that I shouldn't have and absolutely don't believe.

So sorry, Grimmjow and others. Nothing against you.
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